The spell [Rescue] is going to be the new blight upon Eorzea

I remember pre-HW threads about how Ninja's Shadwalker and Smokescreen were going to be heavily abused. Yet the only "abuse" I've seen were in 24-man trials when a NIN was trying to affect who had tank aggro without anyone asking them to do so. A small minority will probably abuse this skill to the point that plenty of people will never see it happen.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I for one am looking forward to it. I found the "life grip" in WoW on my priest to be a very useful tool, and I've often had to watch helplessly as a dps tries to run out of an AoE all the while knowing they're not going to make it and wishing I could save them.



That... doesn't really make much sense from an execution perspective, to be honest. You don't want to pull people away from mobs when they pull threat. With how delayed things are in game, they will chase down that person well before the tank gets threat back.

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I believe the requirement was to be on an enmity list to be able to use the skill.
Not that the target has to have the highest enmity.

I believe it's a restriction on use that would prevent it from being used outside of battle, possibly a bit of an anti trolling measure

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I remember pre-HW threads about how Ninja's Shadwalker and Smokescreen were going to be heavily abused. Yet the only "abuse" I've seen were in 24-man trials when a NIN was trying to affect who had tank aggro without anyone asking them to do so. A small minority will probably abuse this skill to the point that plenty of people will never see it happen.

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This, exactly. Largely, players have enough respect for each other (and desire to see things run smoothly) that they don't abuse tools like that. And while 24 man content for some reason attracts people just looking to gain attention from griefing others, that's not only the reason why content like that dies (prompting "Make the towers relevant again!" topics), but that's also why griefing is a punishable offense.

On the bright side, I see the potential for it to be a saving grace when a party member is unaware in the moment, or a newer player isn't experienced enough to move properly. All in all, be the change you want to see: You abuse it, others will too.

"healer role action "Rescue" lets you pull target player to your position.
cannot be used without enmity"

Positives: Newbie training, co-op large dodge assistance, rushing position changes (i.e. OT pick up on other side of room since the healer is usually pretty far back as is).

Negatives: Advanced more direct God-Mode Healer PVE PKing (/drool), Rotation ruining, intentional group wiping via inoppurtune tank movement.

My Likely Use: switched on when I get that idiot who thinks its 100% my job to keep him alive and screw up his rotation as close to a dodge mechanic, or using it on the good dps who actually dodged and is right next to me to begin with and so "oops missclick" just to piss off that imbecile who doesnt dodge. Healer Rage just got more tools, awaiting dou--- justification.

Will probably use for correcting newbie friends, training not so newbie friends in new content, and trolling friends, but honestly seems pointless. I can live off of God-Mode via selective healing and insta revives.

It really needs some sort of permissions toggle or limiter...
...And, on the opposite end, a shorter cooldown if it's to compete with the other X-roles. At that point I wouldn't mind babying my dps-hog BLM in rotation with my co-healer's Rescue and the BLM's own AM and LL-teleport.

It's gonna be such a huge troll ability. My GF even said this to me. "I'm gonna kill you with Rescue so many times bae :D"

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

I remember pre-HW threads about how Ninja's Shadwalker and Smokescreen were going to be heavily abused. Yet the only "abuse" I've seen were in 24-man trials when a NIN was trying to affect who had tank aggro without anyone asking them to do so. A small minority will probably abuse this skill to the point that plenty of people will never see it happen.

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And the sad thing is that at the time the fix was simple: let the recipient click it off. The same could still be said of some other abilities as well, but an instantaneous ability wouldn't have that luxury. I could very, very easily murder others or cripple their DPS for a full minute using a lifegrab. And, permissions automatically given, there'd be no recourse short of reporting me. Not saying I would, but when something's that easy, I expect to be on the receiving end at least a few times by random chance. And, I'd rather not be.

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Originally Posted by KeiranOlive

When I heard about this rescue ability, I was hoping I could use it on tanks who sprint away from me before I've even finished casting protect at the start of a dungeon. Or that dps who keeps pulling before the tank in 24-man raids. And of course that ranged dps who insists on standing 100 miles away from the rest of the party, especially when I've got an expanded balance ready. So basically using it like a leash or something.

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This x100. All bards need to be on a leash. I also hope we can use this in pvp... you know, on those melee who think they're invincible =_= I'd have everyone on a rope if I could.

Come on, the abilities that knock back ennemies are trolly too and people are not... Oh...

Jokes aside I'd much rather kick and report healers using this to grief people than not having a cool and useful skill like that because of a few immature players.

I can't wait to kill people with it, and cut the rotation of monks and lolgoons.

It's going to be crazily useful during pvp - all those heavied dps caught just too deep now get instantly dragged back. Result!

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Originally Posted by Sigiria

Jokes aside I'd much rather kick and report healers using this to grief people than not having a cool and useful skill like that because of a few immature players.

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I'd just like a simple option somewhere in the gameplay menu:
[ ] Allow Rescue for no-one
[ ] Allow Rescue for players on your friend list
[ ] Allow Rescue for everyone

And just for the lulz, when a healer tries to use the skill on someone who does not allow it, display the error message:
"This player is beyond Rescue."

Simple solution right there. Alternately, only allow the usage on players that are currently within an AoE indicator. But I'd rather not even get pulled then, personally. Pushbacks and draw-ins are obnoxious regardless of source and intention.

So many people are worried about this being abused... but rest assured it will be very infrequent that somebody does abuse it. Anyhow, to lighten the mood, here is a joke!

Three healers walk into a bar and stand next to a Lalafel called "My Chain".
Then they start to "Rescue" this poor Lala around the room.
The Bartender stands up and shouts, "Will you stop pulling My Chain around?!"

bada bump /giggle

I'm going to macro this spell with an ASCII image of the Kappa emote, so whenever I use it I can giggle XD. White Mages are Grief Mages.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/.../218.png_large

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

They said Rescue would only be able to be used on an ally with aggro. So I don't think it'll just be random people.

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I didn't see the live letter, but from how you described it. Technically everyone has some degree of aggro the minute they smacked a monster. So its kinda open ended unless they confirmed that it only works on the person with the highest aggro. Which I'm hoping isn't the case cos I'm sitting here wondering now if I can use it to pull someone to me that might have otherwise died from falling out of the ring on certain fights.

At least Rescue will not be a useless spell.

Why are there so many people in this thread who want to kill people with Rescue.

My point is already proven without stormblood even launching yet

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Originally Posted by Skyrior

Why are there so many people in this thread who want to kill people with Rescue.

My point is already proven without stormblood even launching yet

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Because it's a game and it's fun to mess with your friends sometimes ? (depending of the situation and the players of course)
I already warned my guildmates, they are gonna be my new blizzball, especially when we are on no brain mode to farm some ponies or birds :D

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

So many people are worried about this being abused... but rest assured it will be very infrequent that somebody does abuse it.

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Ninjas have been able to troll parties with Shadewalker since 3.0 but you rarely see it. So yea, I don't see it being abused too much.
I can see it being used at organised endgame to minimize BLM movement, the healer effectively doing the mechanic for them with Rescue.

Although, the temptation to "rescue" the tank to the rest of the party half way through a Punishing Heat cast is very strong.

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

Ninjas have been able to troll parties with Shadewalker since 3.0 but you rarely see it.

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On a good example on an early wipe in A12S right before the adds' phase started, I usually shadewalker my healer friend so they die first :v
On a bad example on a Dun Scaith run, a NIN shadewalked me (WAR) and forced an early pull while we were waiting for another party's healer to arrive to the arena :/


I can totally see some Healer's Rescuing people into the abyss in places like Ozma tho :v (or helping actually placing them meteors in the right position).

I expect one person to do it for the humor on their videos and that's Seabass from NEST. He will probably pull Corey so the raid boss cleaves the raid and blame Corey for it. Another thing he could do is pull Drak off the boss so his stacks fall off.

I'm waiting Seabass, don't let us down.

lets be honest... if a healer is griefing they will just get kicked.

I think it's pathetic so many people are licking their lips at the possibility of misusing this. Like seriously, grow up.

I'll lose no sleep kicking, dropping, or reporting misuse of this. Even a friend.

It appears we're about to find out which healers wear halos and which ones have horns.

It's interesting, to say the least.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

I think it's pathetic so many people are licking their lips at the possibility of misusing this.

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Once bitten, twice shy.

I've had ample experience with "Grip" abilities of both the friendly and unfriendly variety to never want to be affected by them again.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I'd just like a simple option somewhere in the gameplay menu:
[ ] Allow Rescue for no-one
[ ] Allow Rescue for players on your friend list
[ ] Allow Rescue for everyone

And just for the lulz, when a healer tries to use the skill on someone who does not allow it, display the error message:
"This player is beyond Rescue."

Simple solution right there. Alternately, only allow the usage on players that are currently within an AoE indicator. But I'd rather not even get pulled then, personally. Pushbacks and draw-ins are obnoxious regardless of source and intention.

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I'd like this. There's always them overly worried types that cry when you hang around an aoe until the last possible moment to get max dps as they think you're going to get hit; something like this only gives them worrywart types the means to control how you play... even if you know what you're doing and have explained to them thoroughly.

Toggle to disable, please!

Could it save people that are falling? Like from Titan

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Originally Posted by Greven

Could it save people that are falling? Like from Titan

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probably too late at that point.

for the people comparing it to NIN, the NIN stuff trolling is too subtle. Rescue trolling is more fun cause it's more obvious.

i'm not saying it will actually be abused often but because it's so much more visual, that will entice a few more people to do it here and there.

i for one can not wait to see the shit ppl do with this XD

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I'd just like a simple option somewhere in the gameplay menu:
[ ] Allow Rescue for no-one
[ ] Allow Rescue for players on your friend list
[ ] Allow Rescue for everyone

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That's really not reasonable. Lifegrip was not an overbearing issue in WoW. It will be fine here.

The healer has to have it equipped as one of their five role skills, it has a 150 second cooldown and it will be obvious if it's being used to troll. Just kick or report if it's used to troll. I'd rather deal with a few cases of stupidity than not get a chance at getting unique skills.

Protect
Esuna
Swiftcast
Cleric Stance
Eye for an Eye

Rescue's a nice idea, but for role based actions, that's all you mostly really need.

In Swtor we had something similar that Sorcs used and can pull anyone in your party and was fun trolling guild members when we were screwing around in raids and wait til someone is about to do their biggest hit or pull the tank and cleave a bunch of people.

was never really an issue with pugs for trolling and generally used if someone wasn't paying attention to get out of AOE or let someone continue to cast and pull they at the last minute to increase dps rather than have them stop to move out

When I use to play WoW, I was a priest. They have the same ability with a much shorter cold down.

When in dungeons and raids, it was so rare to see it abused. Only those who pissed off the priest ever was having interrupting from the priest pulling them.

I feel that people in general are way nicer in this game than in WoW. So, I have hopes that after a month, people will forget about it.

And if you are asking "Do the priest use the ability?" Well..., nope. They just put other skills since many were running low on hotkeys.

We are only going to have 5 Roll actions available:

These 4 are a given:

Swift cast
Protect
Esuna
Eye for an eye

For your 5th ability we will have to see what; break, Lucid Dream and Affection actually do. One is likely an agro dump and one some sort of interrupt. Most likely you'll wanna have Cleric Stance for your 5th ability, especially for Raiding. So having said all that, do you really want to waste one of your 5 limited spots on some pull ability? Unless there is a very specific mechanic put into a boss fight that requires this, it just seems like a total waste to spend a spot on it.

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Originally Posted by Scox

For your 5th ability we will have to see what; break, Lucid Dream and Affection actually do. One is likely an agro dump and one some sort of interrupt. Most likely you'll wanna have Cleric Stance for your 5th ability, especially for Raiding. So having said all that, do you really want to waste one of your 5 limited spots on some pull ability? Unless there is a very specific mechanic put into a boss fight that requires this, it just seems like a total waste to spend a spot on it.

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For Raiding, one of the healers won't have Protect. it's possible one of them can skip Esuna too depending on the fight.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

For Raiding, one of the healers won't have Protect. it's possible one of them can skip Esuna too depending on the fight.

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I admit on hearing that, that does add some possibilities to the fight as well or different approaches for healers.

I can confirm as someone who abused it in WoW while in LFD or LFR. It was most hilarious especially after someone blew all their dps cds or pulling the tank into an autokill mechanic.

That was many years ago though and I'd like to think I matured a little.

They didn't remove Cleric stance, they readjusted it to a healer buff and the healer's magic attack potency so it's based on mind.