Chinese server is putting Legacy Chocobo on cash shop

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Why dont SE just give the legacy players a new exclusive item every year that they are subbed. SE can then give away the old exclusive to regular players who have subbed for X amount of time.

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because a guy would actually have to design these items. as a legacy player if someone were to design new items, they should be obtainable via in-game means for all current subscribers.

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Originally Posted by bass9020

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone the last few days with all these items being released out of no where and no response to any of them. Really starting to show your true colors $E.

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yea, SE is a business, who knew.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

If they do this on the na/jp side I'm done.

I always said this is the final straw for me. Seeing as how it was our exclusive reward I don't really agree with this...at all. Th fact that they did not have 1.0 does not justify it imho. Without legacy players they wouldn't even be playing their game.

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The only reason I would say this is ok is from being standalone, meaning they can't mingle with us ever if I understand correctly. So that and the fact they did not have 1.0 why does it matter that point?

So how much money would that equate to?

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

The only reason I would say this is ok is from being standalone, meaning they can't mingle with us ever if I understand correctly. So that and the fact they did not have 1.0 why does it matter that point?

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Without legacy players they wouldn't even be playing their game.

I already stated my pov lol.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

I'll never understand why some people get their panties in a bunch when items lose their exclusivity. It literally has no impact on your thing when someone else has it, too.

I had a bunch of exclusive stuff in WoW, and I never gave a shit if the items became more common. It doesn't make mine less cool somehow.

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Because WoW and the majority of MMOs never went through what XIV had. That's honestly why I can see that you don't understand or care. It's not about having something cool at all for me. I literally consider it a complement/reward from SE for sticking with and helping them as I did spend the time to submit bugs since 1.0 Alpha all the way to ARR and completed the content involved.

Part of the reason I can see why they did the Legacy Chocobo was due to the delayed release of Chocobos in the game. 1.0 players having to spend hours getting everywhere and when the zones were large and copy/paste.

It does have an impact on many Legacy players as SE stated several times not only their appreciation, but also it is truly exclusive to those players. Unlike, SE Shop and other promo materials.

Having it on a dedicated Chinese version doesn't bother me as it's a completely different market and restrictions.

So what...?They didn't have 1.0!There's nothing wrong with that

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

because a guy would actually have to design these items. as a legacy player if someone were to design new items, they should be obtainable via in-game means for all current subscribers.

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But that's what I just said. Just give legacy players limited exclusive items, then give them to the rest of the playerbase based on playtime. Legacy players and long time players should be rewarded often for the commitment to the game.

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

But that's what I just said. Just give legacy players limited exclusive items, then give them to the rest of the playerbase based on playtime. Legacy players and long time players should be rewarded often for the commitment to the game.

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Thats what Veteran rewards were but they are going away because people are too concerned the new players won't see those items for years (cause we didn't wait years ourselves?) and apparently its not fair to hold items on such a long reward system! People whined and cried and complained the little hearts out and now a new system is coming that rewards anyone and anything for playing, even if its not longterm.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Without legacy players they wouldn't even be playing their game.

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It's funny because a lot of people didn't play 1.0 because of legacy players and the scathing reviews about how bad the game was. I know I was about ready to hop on board until I started reading up. The legacy rewards were a pretty good hook to move what subscriber base they had into the launch of ARR. Now that they have steady subscription base going, marketing is going to be looking at everything they can to get money out of their current customers.

Guys, no matter the physical goodies anyone gets, none of them will ever get their names in a videogame credits like we did. Look at it that way and maybe you won't feel so hurt/betrayed/insert more words for me.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

Guys, no matter the physical goodies anyone gets, none of them will ever get their names in a videogame credits like we did. Look at it that way and maybe you won't feel so hurt/betrayed/insert more words for me.

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When Yoshi P gave that speech at fan fest unpon receiving the world record for longest game credits... That was a very special moment

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

Guys, no matter the physical goodies anyone gets, none of them will ever get their names in a videogame credits like we did. Look at it that way and maybe you won't feel so hurt/betrayed/insert more words for me.

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Until they sell that too on the Mogstation....

The problem is that it shows them as untrustworthy, and willing to sell out part of their long time audience for another dollar.

It would result in lost trust.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Until they sell that too on the Mogstation....

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That'd be some unprecedented stuff! I can't wait to see it!

EDIT: Oh, you edited your post right as I had responded to you. They've already lost trust among many to some degree.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Until they sell that too on the Mogstation....

The problem is that it shows them as untrustworthy, and willing to sell out part of their long time audience for another dollar.

It would result in lost trust.

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It's a bloody mount! Selling out people? Seriously?

Why is exclusivity so important to so many of you? Is your appreciation of items directly related to how rare they are? Why does your personal value of something depend on if someone else has it?

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

But that's what I just said. Just give legacy players limited exclusive items, then give them to the rest of the playerbase based on playtime. Legacy players and long time players should be rewarded often for the commitment to the game.

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that's not what you said. if a developer is developing something right now, everyone subscribed right now should have a shot at it, it should not be limited to legacy players, the time for that has past.

there's no reason for this limitation.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

It's a bloody mount! Selling out people? Seriously?

Why is exclusivity so important to so many of you? Is your appreciation of items directly related to how rare they are? Why does your personal value of something depend on if someone else has it?

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Ask the people who pay millions to have one of a kind paintings. Why do you think there is an unopened black label FF7 on ebay for two thousand dollars right now? Because there aren't all that many factory sealed copies left. You act like it isn't a common desire, when it has been a driving factor in almost all forms of collecting since the hobby has existed.

The legacy goobbue with the carpet is on the Chinese mog shop also.

http://act.ff.sdo.com/shop/Detail.aspx?id=105

I generally try to understand why people are upset about things... but seriously, who cares? This is basically the same thing as if they sold the legacy chocobo in WoW. Like, it's a different set of servers, a different set of people, a different cash shop, it's essentially a different game. Why in the world would anyone possibly care about what they get in China?

You know, it's funny how upset NA gets over the fact that China gets to have some NA/EU/JP exclusives while we are CURRENTLY in a promotion to get a bunch of Chinese exclusive stuff that we begged for. Not only that, but we also begged for(and got) multiple Chinese exclusive AND Korean content. But when China gets something that's "ours" oh no! Why do they even have our stuff!?

I wonder how the Chinese and Koreans feel every time we get to have their very limited exclusive content. It's okay for us to have everything nice they get but they better not have our stuff.

The hypocrisy here is unreal.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

You know, it's funny how upset NA gets over the fact that China gets to have some NA/EU/JP exclusives while we are CURRENTLY in a promotion to get a bunch of Chinese exclusive stuff that we begged for. Not only that, but we also begged for(and got) multiple Chinese exclusive AND Korean content. But when China gets something that's "ours" oh no! Why do they even have our stuff!?

I wonder how the Chinese and Koreans feel every time we get to have their very limited exclusive content. It's okay for us to have everything nice they get but they better not have our stuff.

The hypocrisy here is unreal.

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I liked your post, but I felt obligated to also respond saying how much I liked it. We are the worst, aren't we? lol

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

It's a bloody mount! Selling out people? Seriously?

Why is exclusivity so important to so many of you? Is your appreciation of items directly related to how rare they are? Why does your personal value of something depend on if someone else has it?

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Well... yeah. It is directly proportioned to rarity. You can't say that this is surprising. People like having things that others do not.
Thankfully it isn't affecting the rarity of this game. Just that game. Separate entities.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

You know, it's funny how upset NA gets over the fact that China gets to have some NA/EU/JP exclusives while we are CURRENTLY in a promotion to get a bunch of Chinese exclusive stuff that we begged for. Not only that, but we also begged for(and got) multiple Chinese exclusive AND Korean content. But when China gets something that's "ours" oh no! Why do they even have our stuff!?
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So I took another quick look and it seems like almost everyone is saying no one cares if they they get the legacy items in their version, only it would be upsetting if legacy items were sold in our regions. That completely invalidates your post considering no one seems to care if they get "our stuff" we just don't want "our stuff" sold to us.

So yea, while some people might actually care, i'm pretty sure that's not what the conversation is anymore.

Good for China. I hope those who invest into the chocobo and buy it can thoroughly enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Without legacy players they wouldn't even be playing their game.

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Or, you know, other people funneling money toward SE. Like say... through another popular MMORPG called FFXI. Do I get a special item for that?

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Or, you know, other people funneling money toward SE. Like say... through another popular MMORPG called FFXI. Do I get a special item for that?

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Hermes shoes, if you had an active FF XI account and FF XIV account during 1.x

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Originally Posted by TarynH

Or, you know, other people funneling money toward SE. Like say... through another popular MMORPG called FFXI. Do I get a special item for that?

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You did if you played it...Hermes shoes I think it was lol. But no, Yoshida has clearly stated that without subbing in 1.0 days (When they put the sub back on) they had to do it or else they would not have the funds to continue. Also after 2.0 launch if you watch one of the videos with Yoshida..he says how he did not expect the game to continue if it was not for the 1.0 players and how shocked he was. SE was almost bankrupt and in a hole. So...you know, you could read a bit more into it before posting something snarky. <3

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Originally Posted by Iromi

So...you know, you could read a bit more into it before posting something snarky. <3

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I don't need to read into anything. SE was still making money off of other sources. To say that it was only legacy players that kept them out of financial ruin, and produced FFXIV, is a stretch.

And as for Hermes shoes? I don't care. My point, in all of its snarky glory, was to say that I don't need an item to keep me invested in the game. The game itself is a reward. One I'm happy to be a part of, despite only being able to start playing it from PS4 release.

Expect everything to slowly appear in the Cash Shop. It was something guaranteed to happen the second people started screaming "take my money, I don't care about the cost" & "throws money at the screen". You'd have to be an absolute idiot to not, as a business person, capitalise on that.

FFXIV will eventually have all the "extras" of a F2P game but remain a subscription model. They've said jump potions, skip potions & high level 'starter gear' will be sold relatively soon. The introduction of the "one time only, never to be available elsewhere" Moogle Outfit should definitely be seen as the start of "unique" items losing their status.

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Originally Posted by TarynH

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That is what Yoshida said. I trust his word with that. He clearly said the game would have shut down if they did not start up subs...I was there for it, they were not going to remake it and were struggling, they were going to scrap it totally. He posted about it in detail on the forums back then. So you really do need to read in it..or, you can keep thinking whatever. >.> Anyway, I've been involved and following this game since 2010 Aug for the alpha...but its okay, I see this a lot on here (People thinking they know exactly this and that about 1.0 days!) :x

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Originally Posted by TarynH

I don't need to read into anything. SE was still making money off of other sources. To say that it was only legacy players that kept them out of financial ruin, and produced FFXIV, is a stretch.

And as for Hermes shoes? I don't care. My point, in all of its snarky glory, was to say that I don't need an item to keep me invested in the game. The game itself is a reward. One I'm happy to be a part of, despite only being able to start playing it from PS4 release.

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The thing is, if something isnt making money to support itself any business cuts the cord regardless of the rest of the company's success the Legacy players are the only reason youre able to post here today to even argue that.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

That is what Yoshida said. I trust his word with that. He clearly said the game would have shut down if they did not start up subs...I was there for it, they were not going to remake it and were struggling, they were going to scrap it totally. He posted about it in detail on the forums back then. So you really do need to read in it..or, you can keep thinking whatever. >.> Anyway, I've been involved and following this game since 2010 Aug for the alpha...but its okay, I see this a lot on here (People thinking they know exactly this and that about 1.0 days!) :x

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Actually, I think both of you are right in different ways.

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Originally Posted by Istaru

Actually, I think both of you are right in different ways.

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Yeah, SE was doing "alright" but after the failure of FFXIV they were hurting pretty bad...I thought they were gonna go poof :(

Chinese server is for China ONLY.
And there is no any Legacy or 1.0 stage in China, so there is no Chinese legacy players AT ALL.
Therefore international server's legacy items basically just additional item for Chinese server.

Put them on sale is better than nobody can actually have them.

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Originally Posted by Iromi

Yeah, SE was doing "alright" but after the failure of FFXIV they were hurting pretty bad...I thought they were gonna go poof :(

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I agree, just like you I followed the same path here.

Just like before the ill fated launch of 1.0, they robbed FFXI to pay for FFXIV.

China didn't have a 1.0 so there was no way for them to get it.

Last I heard (10 months plus) China was on Patch 3.2 and Korea is around 3.0. They don't have anywhere as much content as we do.

If anything they need their own exclusives to stay alive. Them receiving the Legacy Chocobo is fine by me as long as only they can buy it.

what's special about this legacy choco? In the pic it looked just like any other choco I've seen.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

what's special about this legacy choco? In the pic it looked just like any other choco I've seen.

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I believe the difference is that legacy chocobo has burnt feathers from the calamity.

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Originally Posted by XiXiQ

what's special about this legacy choco? In the pic it looked just like any other choco I've seen.

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Lore-wise it's the chocobo that you had in the 1.x game. Other than that I think the barding it's wearing is unique.