New Racers for Final Fantasy XIV

Bangaa is not a meh race

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

FFXI was an MMO, pretty much all MMOs has the basic Human, Elven, Dwarf, Beast/hulk (sometimes furry) race which is exactly what XI's races were, they went with the same general concepts (though different lore for the most part) in XIV simply to create a sense of familiarity for those who played XI and wanted to recreate their avatar in XIV, given how tied they originally wanted the two games to be (i.e discount for playing both) and the fact it was the same general development team working on both games at the start.

Ivalice is a sprawling world through multiple games and even a different game series (Final Fantasy Tactics/XII/TTAdvance/Vagrant Story), how would they explain races from a complete, different and unique world and timeline appearing in FFXIV? Bangaa are generally the "meh" race and merchants, so that would be fairly easy to fit in, but Eorzea isn't Ivalice nor is it anywhere near Ivalice unless the lands to the west is Ivalice. It's not like them having a Cid in every FF game, that's to be expect because heck, Cid is pretty much the main hero of the storylines in many ways.

That's why they'd have no place showing up here, because they're all confined perfectly to their respective game's storyline, it's like asking for Kefka to be a villain of FFXIV. Unless they don't care for continuity or the fact they exist as key races of another game series, more power to them -- May as well throw in some Guado and Al Bhed too. It would be nice to have more races, but I'm pretty sure Hydaelyn is big enough to house it's own unique races that fits more with this game's setting and lore.

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The same exact way they fit XI races into XIV. You give it a different name and you adapt it to the environs of said world. It's really not that hard.

You're mixing two different things. Kefka is a particular character and not a race. It is not the same thing as asking for a bunny girl variant race to appear in XIV.

It would be nice if they add new races! The FFXI ones are nice but in each FF game they usually created their own unique races. I thought they mentioned something about a demi race or something...I might be wrong but I thought I read it in one of the interviews. I would personally like Kitsune/Fox race ^_^

Personally I would rather SE focus on the current races animation and looks wise than to spread themselves thin releasing new races every few years they need to model everything around as well.

It's a great idea, but if it effects the quality of the animations we get in the future *It will effect them* I'd rather them stick to the races available that cater to most everyone aside from the anthropamorphic crowd.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

The same exact way they fit XI races into XIV. You give it a different name and you adapt it to the environs of said world. It's really not that hard.

You're mixing two different things. Kefka is a particular character and not a race. It is not the same thing as asking for a bunny girl variant race to appear in XIV.

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Like I said in a few of my previous post, you're going to have to re-brand the race. This in sense can create mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.

Tanaka's explanation of re-using FFXI characters;

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DO: Did you keep the races similar to FFXI’s races to help FFXI players get used to the new world?

Tanaka: Pretty much. We made the game with FFXI players in mind, so we wanted them to be able to play with the characters they knew and loved. There were ideas to add a male Mithra and a female Galka, but, unfortunately, due to developmental limitations, we had to throw those ideas in a vault for now. We may be able to see them later, when the time is right.

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http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/21505...aka-interview/

I would rather much have them create another beast-like race, than ruin the image of what I think vieras like Fran are.

I think the race now should stay the same and they should not add any race from FF12 or any other final fantasy. The new race they may add would be the people from grid and maybe a new race from a far land but that about it.

They should not make new race every few years that would mess up game.

Just wondering, does race make much of a difference? I started off as a Taru and wasn't sure if I should switch to a different race because I want to main as a Lancer.

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Originally Posted by Asmeret

Just wondering, does race make much of a difference? I started off as a Taru and wasn't sure if I should switch to a different race because I want to main as a Lancer.

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Wasnt at the start, unknown now ( to me), but they will let you change once the dust settles and everything is fine tuned.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

The same exact way they fit XI races into XIV. You give it a different name and you adapt it to the environs of said world. It's really not that hard.

You're mixing two different things. Kefka is a particular character and not a race. It is not the same thing as asking for a bunny girl variant race to appear in XIV.

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this is what i hate about FF14 races to a tee. they are just clones of FF11, and they don't belong in a numbered FF game, they belong in a FF11 spin off or sequel. and the last thing i want the dev team to do is the exact same lazy arsed crap the last dev team did. if they are going to design new races please put a bit of effort in, or don't bother at all

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Originally Posted by grandm

this is what i hate about FF14 races to a tee. they are just clones of FF11, and they don't belong in a numbered FF game, they belong in a FF11 spin off or sequel. and the last thing i want the dev team to do is the exact same lazy arsed crap the last dev team did. if they are going to design new races please put a bit of effort in, or don't bother at all

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what sucks in my opinion is the fact they added FFXI races without the gender counterparts which means we wont be seeing actual new races for some time after the new genders are added.

had they added the extra genders in the first place (which was always wanted in FFXI anyway) then we would be seeing new races much sooner.

I also feel these races should have been exclusive to FFXI since FF races seem to exist per universe and its been stated that this MMO is a completely different universe than FFXI.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

Like I said in a few of my previous post, you're going to have to re-brand the race. This in sense can create mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.

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What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series, alienating, and polarizing your fanbase, and completely ignoring fan requests(Tanaka). Keywords here, 'fan requested'. Also If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.

These pics was posted a few years ago on ZAM. At one point FFXIV was codename project Rapture and here are the leaked screens.

Source: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=12898

So yes I believe the dev team can do this and they should. Eorzea is only one of three small continents and we don't even know whats beyond the Empire, its fact no one can judge or rule that out. Just like new monster races and tribes can be added the same can be applied to player races in a sense.

edit: sure they're fake. but meh..

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New race that are indigenous to the world of FF14? yes

Lolcopycat race pulled from previous FF games? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}


and please, using "fan request" as a justification for something that serves little purpose other than pure fan-service is weak. If the devs are gonna bow to every whims of every players, they might as well hand over the production of the game over to fanfic writers. Bring on the viera and bangaas, have the Espers shoot the shit with the Aeons out back, while the Kuluu and the Cetra argue over who's the better ancient race as the Occurians plots to take over the world, only to be stabbed by a horde of Tonberries that appeared out of nowhere.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

New race that are indigenous to the world of FF14? yes

Lolcopycat race pulled from previous FF games? {Thanks for the offer, but I'll have to pass.}


and please, using "fan request" as a justification for something that serves little purpose other than pure fan-service is weak. If the devs are gonna bow to every whims of every players, they might as well hand over the production of the game over to fanfic writers. Bring on the viera and bangaas, have the Espers shoot the shit with the Aeons out back, while the Kuluu and the Cetra argue over who's the better ancient race as the Occurians plots to take over the world, only to be stabbed by a horde of Tonberries that appeared out of nowhere.

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but, you're playing a game with lolcopycat race pulled from a previous FF game....

We've digressed far from my original, and only point. It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

These pics was posted a few years ago on ZAM. At one point FFXIV was codename project Rapture and here are the leaked screens.

Source: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=12898

So yes I believe the dev team can do this and they should. Eorzea is only one of three small continents and we don't even know whats beyond the Empire, its fact no one can judge or rule that out. Just like new monster races and tribes can be added the same can be applied to player races in a sense.

edit: sure they're fake. but meh..

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WTB that game.

it was stated that yoshida will be adding all new original races.

Vieras are far far FAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to the miqo'te and they always will be. However, as many have stated, they do not belong in this world. New races, however would be interesting. I don't think they should be added later on in the game, because people usually stick to one character their entire playthrough, so it'd be unfair to them. I dunno if SE has any plans for that in the future, but I doubt we'll see any new playable races. It'd be cool, however, to start in the Garlean empire, but that would give the game some terrible competitive vibe that WoW, TOR, and other games have and I'm not really looking for that.

Also I'm really not a fan of people wanting Square to shoehorn stuff from older FF games. Magiteck armor, jobs, etc. Whatever though.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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It's not a weak argument, as it is an explicitly stated design choice by SE. No matter how badly one wants to say that 11 and 14 are no more related than any other entries in FF, the fact is that SE doesn't see it that way.

There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with SE's decision to port FF11's race straight into FF14, but using that as justification for importing other completely unrelated race into FF14 for no other reason than "I can haz bunny girl!!!" is weak at best.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

Also If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.

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What has been branding FF games, as I have mentioned before, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

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Originally Posted by Baxter

We've digressed far from my original, and only point. It was a weak argument to say something doesn't belong in xiv because it appeared in an offline ff, and not an online ff. To justify why they could just copy pasta a galka and rename it a roe, and not do the same for Viera is pretty silly.

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Humanoid type of races (besides actual humans) aren't recurring themes throughout the FF series.

The reason races of FFXI were used was what I've quoted on Tanaka,
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/21505...aka-interview/

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DO: Did you keep the races similar to FFXI’s races to help FFXI players get used to the new world?

Tanaka: (...) We made the game with FFXI players in mind, so we wanted them to be able to play with the characters they knew and loved. (...)

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That's all, he wanted to draw the player base from FFXI into FFXIV. And it was a horrible decision in my opinion because it made players believe this would have been a sequel.

Additionally, it served no purpose in design to reuse these races in a new environment. The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus had a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.

The races of Ivalice, however, only appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. They exhibit the same behaviors and social standards. You also see the same characters such as Vaan, Balthier, and Fran making guest appearances in some of the FF spin off games. It flows in the same game timeline. It is all part of conscience design, and not just a mere gimmick to draw players in from another FF series. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

I'm having trouble understanding what you mean by "It's not that they lack originality is the point?" Do you mean "It's not that, they lack originality is the point" or "It's not that they lack originality, is the point"?

However, the post above me already mentioned, Star Wars is a telling of the Star War's "Universe". Final Fantasy series has stories of various different universes that doesn't co-exist with each other.

Thus, you have to re-brand the race/culture, just like how they are re-branding all the races from FFXI. Their only reasoning given to doing so was for ease of transition between FFXI players who have become attached to their characters. However, they had no intent to keep the races' culture from FFXI. I can't imagine them wanting to re-brand races from other FF games to incorporate into FFXIV.

Don't mistake a continuity of universes throughout FF series because of recycling iconic creatures, monsters, vehicles, and names. Such as chocobos, bombs, airships, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games.

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That's not necessarily the case. We know that Spira is a planet where Shinra, an Al-bhed child's descendants learned how to travel through space to other planets. One planet we know they inhabited is the same one in FFVII, and so the story continues.
Who is to say that the universes that each world in Final Fantasy is in isn't actually one universe? If I recall correctly, in Dissidia Final Fantasy the warriors were never mentioned to come from different universes, but only from different worlds.
We just don't know.

In addition to the discussion, we're getting landmarks from previous Final Fantasy titles. For example the Crystal Tower from FFIII etc. We'll be getting more like this from other Final Fantasy titles to "Feel" like a Final Fantasy game. That my friends is the point of the matter, because it doesn't matter who or what it is, if they belong to the Final Fantasy franchise, by all means Yoshi can put them in here. Just like Moogles and Magitech armor.

I don't mind if they bring the Viera race into XIV.

I'll like to see some more iconic characters return as well.
Biggs and Wedge


edit: of course people will ignore this fact.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

The reason races of FFXI were used was what I've quoted on Tanaka,
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/21505...aka-interview/

That's all, he wanted to draw the player base from FFXI into FFXIV. And it was a horrible decision in my opinion because it made players believe this would have been a sequel.

Additionally, it served no purpose in design to reuse these races in a new environment. The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus had a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.

The races of Ivalice, however, only appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. They exhibit the same behaviors and social standards. You also see the same characters such as Vaan, Balthier, and Fran making guest appearances in some of the FF spin off games. It flows in the same game timeline. It is all part of conscience design, and not just a mere gimmick to draw players in from another FF series. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

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I am not commenting on peoples' opinion on whether they want Ivalice or other Final Fantasy races in the game or not. We all have our opinions, and this would be redundant. I never said I was for or against this. I am merely stating that they had absolutely no issue breaking the continuity of one game's universe (XI) to add the races to another game that is, "in no way related" (XIV). So the precedent exists. My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment. Buck all the excuses, and reasonings as to why Tanaka did it. It remains; the precedent is there.

Id like to see a cute/sexy sheep or ram type of race.

or a wingless feathery but with some skin type of race.

I could care less what they do as long as they keep catgirls.

The only races that are reused in the main FF games are humans, elves, dwarfs, and the various trope monsters the series is known for.

Being that 14 is a spiritual sequel to 11 and they decided to use races that would help attract the FF11 crowd, it's an understandable exception.
Using races from the Middle Eastern and African inspired Ivalice doesn't make much sense for the Northern Europe and North American inspired Eorzea. Not only because the races fall out of expectation from region, but because it also cheapens the original games. Not so much cheapening XIV, but more so XII and the other Ivalice games, it makes them less unique, and that's Ivalice's best feature.


So no hot bunny girls for you.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I really hope they don't add a dragon race. They're so overused.

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Catgirls and other animal races are overused too, but I don't see you complaining about Miqo'te

Dragon race would be Gria? If that is the case then Viera should not be completely out of the realm of possibilities since...you know...Gria are from Ivalice as well.

Seriously though, I would love to play as a Gria, so if they did add it I would definitely change from this long necked Elva-erm-I mean Elezen.

BUT! If I had to choose either A) more raceRs or B) giving the current races and their appropriate clans actual homes (Ie: Duskwights getting a town in a set of caves or something) of course leaving the main cities as they are...I'd pick option B.

Well the game itself as far as the story goes is subject to change come 1.2 - 2.0, so there is a ton of time for SE to introduce new races as far as story goes. The Viera for example as portrayed in FFXII are not a race that involve themselves with the modern world.

With that being said, they could in fact add new race within the coming patches leading up to 2.0 since I'm "assuming" they will allow players to recreate their characters when the game becomes "complete". As far as I'm concerned this entire game is still under beta, and I hope that they can use that to their advantage to create a better more fuller character creation. I personally like options, the more time I spend trying to decide what my character will look like visually, the less time I'll spend desiring other aspects of the game.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

These pics was posted a few years ago on ZAM. At one point FFXIV was codename project Rapture and here are the leaked screens.

Source: http://www.zam.com/story.html?story=12898

So yes I believe the dev team can do this and they should. Eorzea is only one of three small continents and we don't even know whats beyond the Empire, its fact no one can judge or rule that out. Just like new monster races and tribes can be added the same can be applied to player races in a sense.

edit: sure they're fake. but meh..

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ne...reenshot01.jpg

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I like to be a qiqirn or goblin

One thing people seem quick to forget is that FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.

Thus, if they decided they wanted to add bunny girls they will NOT be Viera. They will be bunny girls of a different name, different lore, different aptitudes, and probably (hopefully) even have a modified appearance to look cuter. Miqo'te don't look like Mithra. They don't have the hairy necks, they DO have fur on their tails and whole ears instead of just the tips, and their noses are not dark brown like mithras are. Roegadyns don't have tails. Elezen can be grey... Ok, Elezen kinda got the shaft. Human races are always pretty much... Human. Not a lot unique you can do with them, because their specialty and strength in most games is the fact that they're NOT unique. It's more of a "strength in numbers" sort of thing.

Your first mistake in complaining about the possibilities of bunny girls in 14 is that you're assuming they will have ANYTHING at ALL to do with Viera. The only similarity would be the fact they have bunny ears, and a fluffy little tail. It's a guaranteed safe bet that they would have their own story. Same for if they wanted to make a Ronso-styled race. It would NOT be a Ronso. It would just look similar to what Ronsos did in 10.

All that aside, I'm hoping for fox people or demi-humans. Half voidsent, with demon horns and tails would be awesome :D

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Originally Posted by Junpei

I dont think any of the Ivalice races should be used, that's an entirely separate world I do not want to see abused for "fan service"

They also don't need to redesign the current races, they have a good amount of FFXI feel with enough freshness that its still new.

This post, my opinions etc etc.

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This is not the same world as FFXI. Prior to XI it was very rare that any character was not Human. off the top of my head I can think of Mog Yeti Kimari Vivi and The wierd Chef Guy/Girl.

Being a new world I think it's a good idea to expand upon the races. Using the Vierra would be a nice starting point seeing as they are very popular. I just hope SE keep it Highly Humanoid. Miqo'te is about as far toward Animal-like I want to see. I'd rather the new races be people with animal traits rather than Animals with human traits.

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Originally Posted by MeowMeow

Same for if they wanted to make a Ronso-styled race. It would NOT be a Ronso. It would just look similar to what Ronsos did in 10.

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Thanks for depressing me lol. Its a huge shame that Ronso are Cat people. They would have been a great add if not for the Miqo'te already being cat people.. I suppose they could be the like Highlander version of Miqo'te though..

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Originally Posted by Baxter

My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment. Buck all the excuses, and reasonings as to why Tanaka did it. It remains; the precedent is there.

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Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.
What I'm saying in my opinion, just because they can do it, does not mean it is a good idea. And gave reasons for my opinion as to why. As well as several other people replied for both sides.

There's plenty of opinions of both sides, but it is not a rebuttal if you keep reverting to your original opinion.

Here are some thought through opinions from both sides;

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  I am about to blow your minds. XIV has rolanberries, a noxious invasive from rolanberry fields. A different world.
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  Originally Posted by Baxter

  My point is how can anyone say races from 'x' FFgame do not belong in XIV, when XIV races are ripped directly from a previous installment.

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  Using races from the Middle Eastern and African inspired Ivalice doesn't make much sense for the Northern Europe and North American inspired Eorzea.

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  Originally Posted by lackofwords

  The races for FFXI were crafted with the design of the nations, they were molded to fit the story of the nation and plot. Humes, elvaan, and tarus were races built upon a nation, mithras were mostly migrated over and formed communities within forest-like locations such as Windurst and Khazham, galka lost their homeland and reside with humes. They had culture and history relating in the development of their nation and beliefs. And when yanked out, and slapped into FFXIV they are nothing but another anonymous dude in game.

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  FFXIV races are not the same as FFXI. They are modeled to look very similar, yes, but they are not the same in any other means. They all have their own, unique lore.

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  Originally Posted by lackofwords

  Re-branding the race creates mixed feelings for people who have experienced that race in another game in a completely different way and context. A similar feeling you get from "type-casted" actors appearing playing different roles that you are not accustomed to them playing.

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  Originally Posted by Baxter

  What also makes people have mixed feelings is to stray so far from the 'feel' of the entire series. If you are going to try to return the installation to a stead and true ff series feel, stop trying to be so variably different from everything, even your own brand. This goes for the subject of races, and beyond.

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  Originally Posted by Andrien

  We'll be getting more like this from other Final Fantasy titles to "Feel" like a Final Fantasy game. Just like Moogles and Magitech armor.

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  Originally Posted by Baxter

  They have all these great ideas from past iterations (not just xi their entire catalogue) to create a lush, fun, lorefilled, unique playing environment, but seem to refuse to do so. It leaves fans and on lookers alike stumped, baffled, and screaming 'wtf are you doing???'.

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  Originally Posted by Jennestia

  Ivalice is a sprawling world through multiple games and even a different game series (Final Fantasy Tactics/XII/TTAdvance/Vagrant Story), how would they explain races from a complete, different and unique world and timeline appearing in FFXIV? Bangaa are generally the "meh" race and merchants, so that would be fairly easy to fit in, but Eorzea isn't Ivalice nor is it anywhere near Ivalice. It's not like them having a Cid in every FF game.
  
  That's why they'd have no place showing up here, because they're all confined perfectly to their respective game's storyline.

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  Originally Posted by Gramul

  The only races that are reused in the main FF games are humans, elves, dwarfs, and the various trope monsters the series is known for.
  
  Being that 14 is a spiritual sequel to 11 and they decided to use races that would help attract the FF11 crowd, it's an understandable exception.
  It also cheapens the original games. Not so much cheapening XIV, but more so XII and the other Ivalice games, it makes them less unique, and that's Ivalice's best feature.

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  Originally Posted by lackofwords

  What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.
  
  The races of Ivalice, appears only in "Ivalice Universe" based FF games for a reason. They are all residing in the same world, they are part of the elements that creates the cultures and society of the world Ivalice. It is not branding for the entire FF series, it is to hold continuity for the Ivalice Universe.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

Your opinion about how it does not break the continuity in other FF games is fine.

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umm, no. You mentioned breaking continuity was reusing elements (races) from different final fantasy games in 14. I merely stated that SE had done it before. You disagree with that?



P.S. Oh yeah the rolanberry thing was a joke. Probably a lame one,(it's an inside one). It does further my point how they steal non-staple "FF" elements and reuse them in other FFs.

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Originally Posted by lackofwords

What has been branding FF games, are recurring creatures vehicles, characters, and names. Such as chocobos, moogles, slime, bombs, cactuar, airships, Cait Sith, Ifrit, and the name Cid. Granted these were not always in every single FF game, but more of a branding device for FF games rather than the races of Ivalice.

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leggo.

LOL i just noticed my typo on the header...

If you guys know if I can change the name of the thread let me know how lol. I'm not sure where to if I could.

Editing your original post maybe? I know some forums let you that way. :s

Lol at the people saying keep Ivalice races out. Who CARESSSSSSSS... the more unique my character becomes the better.

I agree, I would love to be a Gria male Dragoon :D (so long as they make males, since TA2 it was another female only race)