Stop PL Petition .

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Where can I sign the petition to stop having threads about powerleveling?

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Like x10000

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Where can I sign the petition to stop having threads about powerleveling?

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Amen. Sign me up too!

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Originally Posted by Arcell

It was already changed to be quite a bit slower. No matter what you do or how you change it, people WILL powerlevel. The only ways one could truly stop it would put obnoxious restrictions on the game and punish everyone else at the same time. No thanks.

If people want to powerlevel, that's their business.

I don't see how the system outright prevents new players from getting to a high level without PL. It sounds more like people are preventing that, not the system. In which case, you'll have to find a group of like-minded individuals to play with.

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actually they already had a system in place to stop it before and they removed it. you couldn't add or drop from a party in combat. this would only leave one method of PL viable which is were the low lvls gotta engage the mobs first which would be really slow since they couldn't engage 15 mobs at once without dying.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

actually they already had a system in place to stop it before and they removed it. you couldn't add or drop from a party in combat. this would only leave one method of PL viable which is were the low lvls gotta engage the mobs first which would be really slow since they couldn't engage 15 mobs at once without dying.

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I wouldn't mind seeing that added in again.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

I wouldn't mind seeing that added in again.

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yea,its a pretty simple fix beings its already in the game mechanics

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

yea,its a pretty simple fix beings its already in the game mechanics

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It makes me wonder what they were thinking when they removed it? If not to allow the mass PL link then what?

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

It makes me wonder what they were thinking when they removed it? If not to allow the mass PL link then what?

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prob people complaining, it used to be a pain when people used to do behest and youd be fighting and youd wanna invite some one who wasn't in party yet. that's not really an issue anymore since behest are the worst content in game now.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

prob people complaining, it used to be a pain when people used to do behest and youd be fighting and youd wanna invite some one who wasn't in party yet. that's not really an issue anymore since behest are the worst content in game now.

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Allow people to invite others into the party but not remove them while in combat and no one can complain. Unless they get mad cause they can't do the PL any more.

The inability to add or remove members from party while engaged leads to much more annoying scenarios than what PL does.

When they allow us to invite/kick LS members regardless of range, let's ask for them to bring that back to the old, restricted way too.

The game has much bigger issues honestly. Not only that but any restrictions put in place to stop PL would also punish legitimate players in some way, which is an issue.

Even restricting adding/removing party members mid-combat would punish players other than those who PL.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The inability to add or remove members from party while engaged leads to much more annoying scenarios than what PL does.

When they allow us to invite/kick LS members regardless of range, let's ask for them to bring that back to the old, restricted way too.

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If someone wanted to leave all they would have to do is ask the party to stop for a moment or just walk away from everyone then drop. If you need to kick someone then its not that hard to stop killing for a second to kick them. That's not that hard to do. Not to mention all the other ideas that could be thought of to lean parties more to normal exp rather then PL.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

If someone wanted to leave all they would have to do is ask the party to stop for a moment or just walk away from everyone then drop. If you need to kick someone then its not that hard to stop killing for a second to kick them. That's not that hard to do. Not to mention all the other ideas that could be thought of to lean parties more to normal exp rather then PL.

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It's an unconventional and unnecessary crutch that is not justified by the presence of PL.
Bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Raikki

Where can I sign the petition to stop having threads about powerleveling?

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Where can I sign the petition to quit making petitions?

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

It's an unconventional and unnecessary crutch that is not justified by the presence of PL.
Bad idea.

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Maybe but there are other ways to change how PL works that won't be bad. They could just use the system from FFXI. It really wasn't a bad system they had and idk why they didn't just reuse it.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Where can I sign the petition to quit making petitions?

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Using the word petition generates a lot of responses so its a good to use. While some responses I would rather not have on here it would seem most of them got cleaned off recently.

Off topic footage =P

Joker VS Batman

Darnit, see video here V.V

Ever since they remove the claim system I knew it was a bad ideas. First we have exploits to get exp fast with lowbie afk in high level group. After patch, you can still be PL with high level killing it for you. FFXIV have become very boring after the claim system have been remove and add in links. Level up way too fast now and everyone just PL each other. So many people get to end game with nothing to do. It become a big problem because FFXIV is an unfinish game with very little to no end game.

I like FFXI, sure it was grindy but was fun to party up and take time to kill your mob and pull. It required strategy and team work. Here everyone just bring high level mage and PL each other.

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Originally Posted by Darkrose

Ever since they remove the claim system I knew it was a bad ideas. First we have exploits to get exp fast with lowbie afk in high level group. After patch, you can still be PL with high level killing it for you. FFXIV have become very boring after the claim system have been remove and add in links. Level up way too fast now and everyone just PL each other. So many people get to end game with nothing to do. It become a big problem because FFXIV is an unfinish game with very little to no end game.

I like FFXI, sure it was grindy but was fun to party up and take time to kill your mob and pull. It required strategy and team work. Here everyone just bring high level mage and PL each other.

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i think combat is much more exciting without the claim system. There can be other ways to limit power lvling, the horrendous claim system was probably the worst.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i think combat is much more exciting without the claim system. There can be other ways to limit power lvling, the horrendous claim system was probably the worst.

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What makes the claim system from FFXI so bad?

Lol I love these people that think PL isn't hurting this game. When people are all level 50 within days and have nothing else to do, what are they gonne do? Keep doing the same content over and over again? For a lot, not really.

As long as this BS isn't in 2.0 I'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

What makes the claim system from FFXI so bad?

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i ditn mean from 11, i meant the old claim system in 14. 1 mob at a time, no xp for other mobs.the new claim system makes playing mrd fun/

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Lol I love these people that think PL isn't hurting this game. When people are all level 50 within days and have nothing else to do, what are they gonne do? Keep doing the same content over and over again? For a lot, not really.

As long as this BS isn't in 2.0 I'll be happy.

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Considering I'm in an endgame LS with more than half of it's members being players who have had all battle classes at 50 for a long time now - all of which are quite active on a day to day basis - I consider your presumptuous post to be silly and subjective.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i ditn mean from 11, i meant the old claim system in 14. 1 mob at a time, no xp for other mobs.the new claim system makes playing mrd fun/

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Ah I didn't play on the old system so I can't say much on it.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Considering I'm in an endgame LS with more than half of it's members being players who have had all battle classes at 50 for a long time now - all of which are quite active on a day to day basis - I consider your presumptuous post to be silly and subjective.

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Deadriser has a point. There is a lack of end game content.

If your LS has all been at 50 for awhile how can you say for sure that the current leveling system isn't flawed? You gotta play it to know it and I see more shouts for PL partys 1-30 then I do normal parties. To give you a idea yesterday my server had 5 party shouts for 20-30. Only 2 of those 5 were normal parties. I was in both and the first one almost turned into a PL party but didn't. The second one did turn into a PL party. Later on that day the host of the first party made a shout for a PL rotation party in the 30-35 range.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

Ah I didn't play on the old system so I can't say much on it.

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Deadriser has a point. There is a lack of end game content.

If your LS has all been at 50 for awhile how can you say for sure that the current leveling system isn't flawed? You gotta play it to know it and I see more shouts for PL partys 1-30 then I do normal parties. To give you a idea yesterday my server had 5 party shouts for 20-30. Only 2 of those 5 were normal parties. I was in both and the first one almost turned into a PL party but didn't. The second one did turn into a PL party. Later on that day the host of the first party made a shout for a PL rotation party in the 30-35 range.

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But of course, we are all wrong and all what we say is silly and subjective.

Not considering the fall of people on the server Lindblum since 1.19... I'm wrong ya know.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

But of course, we are all wrong and all what we say is silly and subjective.

Not considering the fall of people on the server Lindblum since 1.19... I'm wrong ya know.

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Well I know that if the PL stays the way it is I won't be playing for long and I would imagine it's going to be the same for others. The game has potential but the PL allows people to rush everything to 50 where there's low content. How many times can you kill Ifrit before it gets boring and repetitive? New content will help but if they just keep adding 50 content they might as well make the starting level 50.

i personally would like to see PL stopped, its so easy to get xp now there's no need for it. i PL'd one class half way but it was a class i didn't intend to play and just wanted a skill, so im guilty of that. I lvled 2 bat classes the old fashioned way getting 200-400 sp a kill so i guess i was a little burned out on grinding. I also remember getting 50sp a kill way back, but that's besides the point. The point is allot of people cant play cause they are clueless of the battle mechanics cause they were PL'd

I said more than half of my current LS has been full 50 for a while - not myself. I still am not. I had a class as low as 20 after 1.19. I'm well aware of the scarcity of xp parties and the fad of PL parties.

What I find presumptuous is Lina Lux suggesting people will quit the game because they chose to get PLed and get to 50 faster - and thus PL should be gone because it is for their own good and/or SE's own good.
In actuality she is under the same misconception that most people arguing so passionately against PL are - that the existence of PL is the primary cause of the lack of xp parties.

It's always been difficult to find xp parties - if anything xp parties themselves were not popular until 1.19 with how much better leves were for leveling up. 1.19 introduced the new claiming system as well as enemy link and chain bonuses, which coupled with the new claiming system effectively made xp parties popular. At the same exact time, however, PLs became possible.

Those who wish to fast-track their journey to 50 take the PL approach until they get to at least 35. After that they can xp party their way to 50. Those that wish to take their time and are in no rush, or simply do not care for PL on principle, take the route of xp parties. Both are viable and available based on the player's choice.

What is happening is that until 35, there are 2 main choices on how to level up: xp or PL. After 35, there really is only xp. Thus logically one would expect xp parties above 35 to be twice as abundant. Naturally, below 35 the community has a choice, and thus there are 2 types of parties about.

Now let's take a step back here. XP parties were basically non-existent between patches 1.15 and 1.18. They were quite rare and not the status quo, with leves leading the game in the xp gain department. Only after 1.18 did they start to become popular again, and even then leves still had comparable gain. Patch 1.19 marks the major turn-point in the steady rise of popularity for xp parties. Add to this the fact that our PC search feature is seldom used and not very effective, and you have more reasons for the lack of xp parties.

Now, what is happening is players who are against PL on principle are searching only for xp parties. Being against PL to such degree is their personal choice and thus they face the consequence of limiting themselves to roughly half the available parties. On the other hand, players who chose to get PLed primarily and take the fast track to 50 face the consequence of perhaps finding themselves with nothing left to do in the game. Both have pros and cons, and that is the beauty of choice.

However, only 1 of these 2 sides argue passionately that the other should not exist just so they can have more bodies for their choice of party. They also tend to try to justify their arguments with statements like "It will ruin this game!" and "Players will get bored and leave so this is a bad decision for SE!" These are what I mean by presumptuous posts. Players posting such drivel imply that they know what is better for SE's future than SE themselves by attempting to guide their dev team's decisions. They also aren't without a sense of irony, what with the plethora of successful MMOs that have some sort of PLing available.

The point is, allow people to chose how they want to play with the pros and the cons of their choices. Do not try to judge other players' decisions by making up observed justifications that only serve to hide the true nature of your arguments: you want people to play like you. Above all, leave it to SE to decide what is harmful to the future of the game and what isn't. In the end not everyone feels that PL is harmful, and this is ultimately a matter of opinion - which is why arguing further is moot. There is no right answer. There is only choice.

So are the people that don't want to PL supposed to leave every party that turns into a PL party? I hate to say it but most parties turn into PL parties at some point. Now are we supposed to just deal with it and leave so you can have your PL that you don't need? PL does not have to be in the game but by being in the game it has become the choice way to level. This makes it so a party that is normal exp can easily turn into a PL party and often it does. Now I can leave those parties yes but then I get stuck looking for another. Not only that but those people will be less likely to invite me in the future. Point is PL is a luxury to some but hinders others. The nice thing about luxuries is you don't have to have them.

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Originally Posted by ToxicFox

So are the people that don't want to PL supposed to leave every party that turns into a PL party? I hate to say it but most parties turn into PL parties at some point. Now are we supposed to just deal with it and leave so you can have your PL that you don't need? PL does not have to be in the game but by being in the game it has become the choice way to level. This makes it so a party that is normal exp can easily turn into a PL party and often it does. Now I can leave those parties yes but then I get stuck looking for another. Not only that but those people will be less likely to invite me in the future. Point is PL is a luxury to some but hinders others. The nice thing about luxuries is you don't have to have them.

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Need? That's the kind of justification I'm talking about. You don't need to play this game. You don't need to get xp parties. You can solo. You can do leves.

So you're doing an xp party, and then they decide to invite a lv 50 to PL you guys, making it easier and less work per person - and then you leave because you, personally are against it on principle. Sounds to me like you're limiting yourself. That's all there is to it.

The luxury argument is silly, because it is relative. People don't play this game the way they do because they need to. They play it because they want to. Who are you to tell people they can't PL, because you consider it luxurious?

There's much more to this game than leveling and xp parties now. You're clearly new to it. Pretty much your entire game experience is xp parties right now. Once you get your first 50 class, I assure you you'll feel differently than you do now.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Need? That's the kind of justification I'm talking about. You don't need to play this game. You don't need to get xp parties. You can solo. You can do leves.

So you're doing an xp party, and then they decide to invite a lv 50 to PL you guys, making it easier and less work per person - and then you leave because you, personally are against it on principle. Sounds to me like you're limiting yourself. That's all there is to it.

The luxury argument is silly, because it is relative. People don't play this game the way they do because they need to. They play it because they want to. Who are you to tell people they can't PL, because you consider it luxurious?

There's much more to this game than leveling and xp parties now. You're clearly new to it. Pretty much your entire game experience is xp parties right now. Once you get your first 50 class, I assure you you'll feel differently than you do now.

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My game entire game experience isn't exp parties. I've done plenty of things so far but I do like to exp party to level. I know there are other ways but its the one I like so I do it.

PL is like using a cheat code in a game. Would you support it if anyone could type /godmode and get unlimited HP? I don't think so and the reason is its too cheap. Using your argument you get to pick if you use god mode or not so it should be fine. Think about it how many people would feel "forced" to use god mode cause if they didn't they would be kicked out of a party/event. The fact is having PL as it is makes players feel forced to use it and that is not ok.

All they have to do to make a lot of people happy is use the same claim system FFXI used. That would transfer PL to healer and not make it so forced. People who wanted PL could still have it and use it. Every person that I talk to in game says PL is overpowered or that something needs to be done with it. (When I say everyone I mean my LS and just about every person I've partied with.) I have yet to run into someone who supported PL in game. That includes people who have used PL.

No. PL is not a cheat code.

I'm tired of people saying, "If you don't like pl parties, go solo", I don't want to solo, I like to socialize, however I don't like taking the easy train on everything because it makes the game boring 20x faster, so what, your telling me I'm forced to solo or find exp parties, which is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack at this point? That's stupid, hate to say it but I won't be playing a game where I'm being forced to solo or get plvled. And I play mmos for the time --> reward concept. There is no reward in getting every job to top level in a month. If you don't agree? That's fine but I'm sure many are with me on this and I'll just go play another game if it stays this way, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

I'm tired of people saying, "If you don't like pl parties, go solo", I don't want to solo, I like to socialize, however I don't like taking the easy train on everything because it makes the game boring 20x faster, so what, your telling me I'm forced to solo or find exp parties, which is equivalent to finding a needle in a haystack at this point? That's stupid, hate to say it but I won't be playing a game where I'm being forced to solo or get plvled. And I play mmos for the time --> reward concept. There is no reward in getting every job to top level in a month. If you don't agree? That's fine but I'm sure many are with me on this and I'll just go play another game if it stays this way, simple as that.

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The existence of PL does not force you to PL. I am not telling you how to play the game. You can form xp parties all you like.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The existence of PL does not force you to PL. I am not telling you how to play the game. You can form xp parties all you like.

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You can form parties as much as you like, though you would be surprised how hard it is to find people that want to do a legit xp party, or people who will jump ship for higher exp. At least on my server. And honestly thinking further into I think its come to the point where its no longer about plvling, the mobs just give way too much sp.. even in a normal exp party, say you have a group of 41's at natalan the EXP/hour rate is nuts. Idk if you would call that power-leveling since technically no one is leeching, or if its just broken sp. I don't think it should be possible to hit 45-50 in 2 hours, just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The existence of PL does not force you to PL. I am not telling you how to play the game. You can form xp parties all you like.

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Not directly your not.

No one is forced to accept a pl, however the situation forces people to either solo or find others of like mind that would rather participate in a legit group. the group search feature may help alleviate this problem, but when not enough people want to group the real way, or would rather participate in a pl, you are then forced to conform or fight it, lose lose imo

Let's see how it is after 1.20's PC Search feature.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

Let's see how it is after 1.20's PC Search feature.

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Search is just going to make it easier to find people. I'm tired of parties turning into PL parties just cause it's "easier" or "its more exp".

i remember when Astral burn was going on in FFXI i HATE it... i spend a year on my SMN getting it to 75. And then people did it in 48 hours or even less.. And same goes here. i think they should remove it. the whole point of the game is to do it your self or with a party. not sit back and relax and get free xp.

Sorry Notcis but I didn't feel like reading your entire post. I got what you wrote from others that basically we should leave and solo.

That's not why I play an MMO. Take out PL, reduce exp, wow you have a balanced game. I swear if PL still exists in 2.0... boy that will not be good for this game.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Sorry Notcis but I didn't feel like reading your entire post. I got what you wrote from others that basically we should leave and solo.

That's not why I play an MMO. Take out PL, reduce exp, wow you have a balanced game. I swear if PL still exists in 2.0... boy that will not be good for this game.

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Yea. i dont like PL at all. Ruins the fun if you ask me. I dont mind if people PL by curing them or something but fighting for that... come on thats just not right