Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Yes and I dont want to develop high blood pressure caused by the stress of seeing someone dying cos Ive just gone in cleric and have to wait 5 secs to get out of it. :)

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Thats a legitimate reason not to dps, look i havent healed for a while sometimes if i go in and it seems like the tank is getting nuked i too am hesitant about DPSing as well, since HW i just sort of gave up on healing i just dont find it very enjoyable{mained sch from 2.1-2.4) As far as I
m concerned I wouldnt kick a healer who is keeping the party alive. But I dont think healers shouldnt be allowed to dps and make a difference when theyre comfortable. Hell alot of it is tanks speed tanking 2-3 groups of adds. Going back i would switch when i felt they arent dying fast enough for me to heal the, aka usually a few mobs left. This also depends on their use of cooldowns, etc smf ehat job i am on, its a little easier imo to bust every regen on whm them holy spam for a bit, on scholar? You need a window to dot n bane. I couldnt tell you about AST it left a bad taste in my mouth since 3.0, and I'm still hesitant bothering to level it all the way, just not my cup of tea, neither is healing anymore, so I never would kick a healer who doesnt let people die, thats rediculous. But I dont speak for all of DF, or the unknowing majority on DF, that have no idea things like protect only slightly make things easier in the long run. In tandem to all that, CS didnt have a cooldown so much back in the day that it sort of delibated the need to emergency shut off, could be another reason i dislike healing in HW

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Thats a legitimate reason not to dps, look i havent healed for a while sometimes if i go in and it seems like the tank is getting nuked i too am hesitant about DPSing as well, since HW i just sort of gave up on healing i just dont find it very enjoyable{mained sch from 2.1-2.4)

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What she spoke of is a healer's nightmare. I myself have even had dreams where the tank dies while I am casting the cure 2 that would've saved him that was .08 seconds too late, which has really happened, resulting in wipe. How do you think I am going to feel about DPSing, and myself as a healer after such a thing happens? After multiple wipes, if you tell a group, "Hey guys, I'm just going to focus on healing." you are not going to get a whole lot of objections.

What I am ultimately happy about what you recognized, is healer anxiety exists and the fact that behind that avatar is a real person, that might have serious and legitimate hangups with pulling the trigger on Cleric stance. We simply, just don't know what's going on up there unless the healer communicates it, and they may not do so out of fear of further ridicule and badgering. Then there also exists the mentality that consoling these players only encourages poor player skill. Even from the outside looking in, you have to see how vicious this meta can be. There are few, and extremely rare players that actually benefit from this. Most only descend further into their comfort zones, and you get truly skilled healers never even setting a pinky toe inside ex/savage content.

That said, I am truly sad that you chose to leave healer for the reasons you stated. But it is always a good thing when a player finds the role and class they do enjoy playing. I came into this game wanting to be a tank as crazy as that would sound to those who know me. It was what I really enjoyed in FFXI, but subsequent mmos and FFXIV taught me that I am meant to heal. Taking the good with the bad is part of the decision making process when choosing a main.

So much hostility...

Feyona:
Unfortunately, well, probably not. Cleric stance is unlikely to be removed because healers need to complete solo duties. It's unlikely to be locked for party content because SE, unlike the players ironically, doesn't like forcing people out of certain playstyles for the most part -- in the case of healers, whether that's DPSing or not.

Best bet would be to hope for SE to add a healer that focuses on buffs or something instead of damage... except we got that and it's AST. Buffs take hardly any time every half minute, and then... you still inherit cleric stance, still expected to DPS. And this expac SE decided healers shouldn't get anything new because mostly healers would play it.

And, honestly, we don't really know much about what SE has in store for healers, other than ensuring scholar has less advantages over the others. "Revamp" is a strong word for the combat changes generally, however, as they've said they're not even going to be doing DPS jobs from the ground up. Healers will probably have even fewer changes, since SE has mostly talked about DPS with a little bit about tanks on the side.

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Originally Posted by Zosimo

Healers are designed to heal, not DPS. If parties want more DPS then talk to DPS players about it. Because if I am joining as a healer, I heal and that's it.

It's not being "lazy" as some ignorant people call it, it's playing the role the chose to play, period.

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it is lazy if you end up standing around doing nothing as it was already pointed out by others. you are not better than the ice mage or the lv60 brd without WM or the smn that only puts up dots with tri disaster, or the "heavy thrust"-less drg, the futon-less nin or even the 100% deliverance war.

not using your skills as they are meant to is ignorant.

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Originally Posted by Starkbeaumont

not using your skills as they are meant to is ignorant.

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Funnily enough, Cleric was meant for solo content. It's players that went, "Hey this is really powerful... we should use it when we're not healing."

As an AST main( who is coming from NIN) I love CS, and I enjoy dealing damage. If my Co-healer is just healing, it's fine because that's their playstyle.

As for myself, 80% of the time,I'm in CS, I give the tank Aspected benefic + Aspected helios , go into CS and do some damage and pray the tank is using his CD and not be a paper lol.

Please SE , don't get rid of my Cleric Stance :(

Okay, nobody should think it's a good idea to let a Tank die cause of DPS.

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I personally feel like a moron when i don't do anything for 30 seconds. It's just an example.
So, when i have a good tank who doesn't need much heal, i go CS and dps a little.

Where you guys draw the line now? When you go dps-ing?
5 seconds spare Time? 10? 20?
My opinion is like... 10-15 sec, cause you may applie at least some Dots then.

But the Time, where no heal is needed, increases in low-lvl or when overgeared. Standing around, being useless is ones choice, but be kicked is the others then.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Really this wasnt meant to be about laziness, or people 'pulling their weight', It was a question about whether healers can be healers as a chosen, preferred playstyle, which many players may prefer or enjoy more. We have
How much dps a healer should do is determined by skill, experience and, above all of these, the current incoming damage to the grop.
already had the debates about those issues above, about everyone needing to be busy doing something 100% of the time or seen to be 'working'. No one is coercing any dps to choose healing as a playstyle, so I feel this is possibly a little one sided. If a healer that has chosen that playstyle, has gaps in between healing and cannot tolerate it, they could play dps instead, Ast has their cards to buff in 'gaps'. In reply to the guy that tells people to leave if they dont like things how they are, this is not really a solution for people that would like to play in their preferred way.

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There is nothing to choose. If there is big damage, you heal it. If there is no damage, you dps.

If there will be content, which requires more healing, then it's still not your choice. You either heal much (on initial ilvl) or people will die. But there will still be open spaces for dpsing, e.g. the very first 15-20s of literally every fight in this game.

This reminds me of all the vit wars in 2.x afraid to drop defiance because they might mess up and the party could wipe. Guess what? The party's going to wipe if you swap stances as a healer or a tank. It happens. Know what else happens? You start to learn. You learn when it's safe to swap stances, you learn how to play to your tanks' strengths and your healers' strengths. Being afraid to do something only makes you avoid it and keeps you on that same treadmill. What happens if you move into DPS stance at the wrong time? The same thing that happens when DPS pop blood for blood at the wrong time. Someone dies or the party wipes. There's no death penalty, so what are you afraid of? Messing up happens, deal with it. By the time you're level 40 you should be comfortable swapping stances and know when you can get away with it. Will I kick a healer for not DPSing? No, but I'll ask them to. If it's their first time running that content and they say "This is my first time here, I'm not comfortable with it yet." I'm not going to kick you for it; but at least try. I always give 100% when I'm running dungeons or trials. Why? Because there are 3 or more people with me that I assume are giving it their all as well.

By the way, this is what it looks like when all you do is heal. Would you accept this level of gameplay from your tank or DPS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s

I mean you got the tools why not use them ?
Healers can put some crazy dps an keep the party alive just fine but that needs skills an speed an I lot of ppl don't have it I guess since this type of post never stop.
Anyways I will never kick a healer just for healing but commendation are for those who push to 100% not for those who go to 50% an feel satisfied...

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

I kinda miss things in the early dungeons they put in where you can't cheese mechanics with DPS lol (the slimes in copperbell mines comes to mind. It's boring as hell now because we've all done it a million times, but the first 2 or 3 times was interesting).

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Yep, we totally need more of those.

At this boss I tend to just /sit next to the spawn point and every 30s I kill an add with 1-2 (o)GCD.
I think this is good, because it gives us peasant dps mains a good feeling for the "playstyle" of those only heal healers.

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Originally Posted by Zosimo

Healers are designed to heal, not DPS.

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I find this statement kinda confusing, because (espacially scholar) Healers are designed to dps as well. That's what CS is for.
And ever since Gordius came up it is 100% sure that Healers are meant to dps. o.o

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Originally Posted by Feyona

That it is actually possible to enjoy the game if some do just heal.

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I think noone is arguing about this. How could they? If you enjoy only healing that's your way. o.o
But you might want to consider that in FFXIV healers actually have a huuuuuge potency to dps, given to them for a reason. While I can understand your point of view and I generally just "shrug and ignore mechanics" in a Dungeon with a only-healing Healer, I also have to mention that you are, in fact, are kind of ignoring a part of your classes design. :/
Maybe you don't actually need to dps in the daily face-roll dungeons I would still prefer a Healer contributing some dps instead of just healing... (My very personal point of view, I usually don't kick, because I want to get the easy stuff done in a good time and it's still faster to go with a "slow" group than trying to find a replacement.)

After all, maybe you just have to live with the fact, FFXIV Healers are not your type of healers and you either go on complaining about that fact and the community, or you move and and try to find another game where your favourite role fits your very personal needs, or you accept it as it is and find peace with playing your way and being not everybodys favourite healer? :x
(No offense, I just don't see any other way to solve the "problem".)

At least I hope they don't change the games dynamics, because I surely enjoy the way healers are designed. (And dps is a part of their design, which is a fact and not a point of view! :P)

I don't really get it. I mean, I fully understand that some players only want to heal. But if you're playing this game as a healer, you must notice how there's usually so little to heal that you're a) just standing there like 80-90% of the time and doing exactly nothing or b) overhealing like crazy because you're clicking that cure button every gcd. That just cannot be any fun at all. This game just isn't designed in a way where healers have to heal all the time to keep the party alive.

Yes, I personally dps a lot as a healer and hate it when other people don't. That is NOT because of the different playstyle discussion or just to make a run 3 minutes faster. It's because I find it unfair that 3/4 or 6/8 to 7/8 of the group are constantly doing something and one of them is just idling, slacking off or afk. I find it disrespectful. If you're new, don't know the fight yet or it's a fight where there is much to heal at times (like the last two bosses of Dun Scaith because many people still fail mechanics and there can be a lot to heal then) then I'm totally fine if you're not doing dps. But what about older dungeons, trials or raids where we're overgeared, everyone knows the content and there aren't any sudden raid-wide wipe mechanics? Like Void Ark or so. One fairy, if well-managed, is enough to keep your group alive in there now. There just is no surprise wipe as soon as you press that Cleric Stance button.

I would also never expect healers to do top dps or some such. But you can at least use some damage over time spells on the enemies when there's nothing to heal (means: no one is almost dead, not they are at 100% HP). Just do something productive instead of idling. Some people argue that healers only have dps spells to be able to do solo quests. If that is so, then why is incoming damage in dungeons etc. usually so extremely low?

Fact is if you want to heal only, this just is the wrong game for you. Especially if you only want to relax and enjoy when playing healer. This isn't the right game for just that.

And yes, a healer idling or spamming cure is the same as a dps not using his buffs or utility. He is still doing his job if he does some dps, but he's lazy or even bad if he's not using songs, Mantra, Resurrection or maybe he's even only using auto-attacks or taking a 10 second break between every attack or not using things like Heavy Thrust or Enochian. It's also the same as a tank not using his cooldowns (but well, they're not needed if the healer only heals because incoming damage is so low) or only ever doing his enmity combo. But you don't notice those so much because it at least looks like if they are doing something. Because they are somehow doing more than an idling healer.

I also just cannot understand how people can say that they even are fine with it when one party member is half afk all the time as long as you clear the dungeon. Don't you find it unfair that you are doing all the work and one person is doing almost nothing? If one dps would only use auto-attacks and some random ability here and there, you wouldn't be fine with that, would you? Most people would probably even kick such a player. Also, why is having different playstyles only ok for healers? What about the ice mage? Why is that not ok? What if you're a healing only healer and get into a dungeon with a tank that only uses aggro combos, an ice mage and a Summoner that just lets his pet dps for him?

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Originally Posted by Feyona

This is true that is why it can be viewed as coercion to dps. Btw not saying I dont dps as healer only that some may prefer it not to be made compulsary. I dps but prefer to heal, maybe other people do as well

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If you choose to heal only, that is your choice. However, people have the choice to not play with you because you are not using your full potential. Its like, I can refuse to use DoTs as a DPS, or refuse to mass pull as a Tank but that does not entitle me to hold 3 other people hostage who disagree with my playstyle. But at the end of the day, we all live by the consequences of our choices, if everyone understands this then its perfectly OK to be heal only.

Now that the preamble is out of the way.

In my opinion and strictly my opinion. You are a shitter if you choose to not DPS despite it being easily in your capacity. It is on the same level of lazy as a Tank who doesn't minimize damage taken or a DPS who doesn't maximise output. I have recently picked up healer for fun and it has further reinforced my belief that healing only type players are either misinformed, crap, lazy or all three. Even if you switch cleric, chuck your DoTs up then go back to heal bot mode, you are already better than the most experienced "heal only" type players. And it has also further reinforced my rather counter-intuitive observation that the healbot type players are also terrible at healing under pressure (i.e. serving an actual Heal check) or making recovery healing plays (i.e. the most traditional of healer tasks). When you are juggling DPS+Healing, you are constantly pacing at the back of your mind, "how do I further improve the efficiency of my action at this window of action before a context switch?", if you only play one style, you will never pick up the nuances that context switching teaches you.

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

Healers are designed to dps as well. That's what CS is for.

healers actually have a huuuuuge potency to dps, given to them for a reason.

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Arguably, that reason is so they can actually do their own solo content, with the additional consequence of having that ability in duties. It can hardly be said the sole intent of those skills is so healers can double as dps in parties.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Arguably, that reason is so they can actually do their own solo content, with the additional consequence of having that ability in duties. It can hardly be said the sole intent of those skills is so healers can double as dps in parties.

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Next time don't quote me off of context...

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Originally Posted by AmeliaVerves

Healers are designed to dps as well. That's what CS is for.
And ever since Gordius came up it is 100% sure that Healers are meant to dps. o.o

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Btw Astro and Scholar don't have CS as a skill on their own. How are they meant to do their solo content?
-> Your argument is invalid, Sir!

In my opinion a healers top priority is to heal and keep the party alive although if there is time I between healing doing some dps helps to fill your time instead of standing there doing nothing. As someone had already said there have been times I've switched into clerics and right after someone gets blasted and because of the cool down to it sometimes ppl end up dying due to weakend heals and not being able to switch out of clerics yet.

So I do tend to avoid using clerics and I don't like when the tanks hp gets below half.

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Originally Posted by TheBoat

I personally hate switching to Cleric Stance, mostly because someone always gets blasted in the face right after I turn it on. But without it I'd just be standing around picking my nose half the time. It gives you something to do when there's no damage going out.

I wouldn't mind if future encounters had less opportunities to use it though. As useful as healer DPS might be, it's mind-numbingly boring in comparison to the actual DPS rotations. I'd rather run around like a madman and play ping-pong with health bars.

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so you cleric stance after an encounter immediately, start next encounter with dps and you can un stance any moment.

Play how you want, but if you can't adapt and be part of the team then bye bye. As a healer you are their to make sure your party survives, if your extra damage helps stop enrage then you have done your job. Heals are not the only way to help your team live.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Arguably, that reason is so they can actually do their own solo content, with the additional consequence of having that ability in duties. It can hardly be said the sole intent of those skills is so healers can double as dps in parties.

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Also the other day all my party wiped in a dungeon with just me up and the mob on 3% suppose I should of just sat down and said sorry I don't dps instead of killing it.

Cool thanks for that info, at least I now know I only need dps stance on tank when I am doing storyline or class quests. Also when I have no mobs to tank as OT I can still stay in tank stance as I am a tank :S

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Arguably, that reason is so they can actually do their own solo content, with the additional consequence of having that ability in duties. It can hardly be said the sole intent of those skills is so healers can double as dps in parties.

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If Cleric Stance is actually for solo quests, then why is there so much healing downtime in parties?

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Originally Posted by Masekase_Hurricane

Also the other day all my party wiped in a dungeon with just me up and the mob on 3% suppose I should of just sat down and said sorry I don't dps instead of killing it.

Cool thanks for that info, at least I now know I only need dps stance on tank when I am doing storyline or class quests. Also when I have no mobs to tank as OT I can still stay in tank stance as I am a tank :S

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In b4 "if you woud have healed only, they would've survived" ;)

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Originally Posted by CafPow

In b4 "if you woud have healed only, they would've survived" ;)

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Worst part about that the party sucked and walked into every aoe/mechanic I couldn't dps. Had three new people with only one that would listen.

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Was meant to be sarcastic anyway. Even i saw already dragoons, failing in an AoE and instant dying. Nothing to heal there. ^^

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Yes I realised it was sarcasm but thought I would add my comment before people took you serious :P

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Originally Posted by CafPow

In b4 "if you woud have healed only, they would've survived" ;)

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CS or no CS, no amount of healing will save a team hell bent on eating every aoe they set their sights on

Was meant to be sarcastic anyway. Even i saw already dragoons, failing in an AoE and instant dying. Nothing to heal there. ^^

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Arguably, that reason is so they can actually do their own solo content, with the additional consequence of having that ability in duties. It can hardly be said the sole intent of those skills is so healers can double as dps in parties.

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I was in an A12S clear party with a friend and their static to help em get their kill,the healer killed the boss when we all wiped at .5% guess what got us the win? The healer throwing out 2 GCD Malefic IIs and the people who were practicing for weeks got their kill. Good thing it's only for solo content right?

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Originally Posted by CafPow

Was meant to be sarcastic anyway. Even i saw already dragoons, failing in an AoE and instant dying. Nothing to heal there. ^^

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I know, I know - it's just that your comment triggered within me memories of my latest Dun Scaith run, and I had to drop that remark. xD

Oh god.. was there only once yet ... with my warrior as OT... thanks god warrior doesn't die instant xD

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

As an AST main( who is coming from NIN) I love CS, and I enjoy dealing damage. If my Co-healer is just healing, it's fine because that's their playstyle.

As for myself, 80% of the time,I'm in CS, I give the tank Aspected benefic + Aspected helios , go into CS and do some damage and pray the tank is using his CD and not be a paper lol.

Please SE , don't get rid of my Cleric Stance :(

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Yes I think most healers that enjoy dps as well like cs, and the point you want to dps as well is a valid one, and although I would never want anyone not to have fun, there are some healers that are not comfortable with dps, but are being made to, but no one is making dps heal and maybe if that was the case there would be many more people not enjoying the game any more.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Yes I think most healers that enjoy dps as well like cs, and the point you want to dps as well is a valid one, and although I would never want anyone not to have fun, there are some healers that are not comfortable with dps, but are being made to, but no one is making dps heal and maybe if that was the case there would be many more people not enjoying the game any more.

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Okay, look - no one can make you DPS while you heal, if you don't want to.

Just like I, a sch main who loves DPSing all the things, can't make a tank use his/her cooldowns to mitigate more so I can DPS more. As much as it annoys me, the most I can do is ask for them to use their skills and if they still don't, either shut up and move on or try to kick (and possibly disband because god knows getting tanks in progress is something miraculous).

You're free to play however you like - but maybe you should keep a few things in mind:

1) You're not playing solo. You might not view it this way, but DPSing on healers is to some (me included) a matter of respect as well as personal enjoyment. To further elaborate, most of the content I run is dailies and weekly instances; dungeons and trials that everyone has pretty much lost interest in and want to finish as soon as they can so they can cap and move on toward something that will put their gear to better use. Purposefully prolonging a run that I KNOW I can shorten if I DPS is, to me, disrespectful, specially in places like expert roulette dungeons where you can basically afk on auto follow and your fairy will solo heal everything.

2) Unlike it has been mentioned in this thread in previous comments, CS and DPSing is NOT meant only for solo content. If this were the case, they could disable CS in dungeons, LIKE THEY DO IN PVP. Now, this does not mean you're obligated to DPS, but people have a right to be upset if they're trying their best and suddenly someone using half their toolkit appears.

3) No one expects a DPS to heal, simply because they don't have such skills in their toolkit and the stats to support it. Take SMN for example, they do have physick - I'm not going to expect a SMN to use it though, not with all that INT. They DO have other utility skills though, and those yes, I do expect them to be used by the SMN - for example, rezzing your healerswhen they're both down and a wipe is imminent.

4) This being an MMO, you're inevitably going to meet players who agree and others who disagree with you. Your idea of fun is not an invalid one, but you can't expect it to be accepted by everyone else.

Also, you mentioned DPSing as healer makes you uncomfortable - this to me sounds like you've tried and had a bad experience, I can only say that literally every healer who stance dances has had their wipes and "trial and error" phases :P

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Yes I think most healers that enjoy dps as well like cs, and the point you want to dps as well is a valid one, and although I would never want anyone not to have fun, there are some healers that are not comfortable with dps, but are being made to, but no one is making dps heal and maybe if that was the case there would be many more people not enjoying the game any more.

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A healer has 50 levels to practice switching stances less if you are a Whm. Yes you are right a healer shouldn't be made to, but the healer should be striving to whilst levelling and capable of it come 60.

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Originally Posted by Feyona

Yes I think most healers that enjoy dps as well like cs, and the point you want to dps as well is a valid one, and although I would never want anyone not to have fun, there are some healers that are not comfortable with dps, but are being made to, but no one is making dps heal and maybe if that was the case there would be many more people not enjoying the game any more.

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What I would like to see with clerics stance is simply removing to cool down when you use it, then you can freely switch back and forth and not worry about needing to switch back out while it's still on cool down. I know it is a relatively short cool down but in that little bit if time deaths could happen if someone gets hit hard.

Just pretend when you cast stone that your healing future damage to your party with it dying faster. There you're still healing.

I won't force anyone to do what they don't want to, but personally I don't see the how a healer doesn't want to dps. When I was a new player, well levels 1-40, I wasn't comfortable with dps in party instances. I played with my friends, so they were fine with it and told me to take it at my own pace. Eventually as I knew my friends play styles more (thank goodness they use cool downs and stand out of the dumb), I got more comfortable with playing with CS. After I got comfortable with it, there was no going back. I'm practically a CS expert, but only because of practice of course. And playing with those that use and don't use their cool downs really got me to weave and balance my skills better.

In instances, I'm usually dpsing about 70% of the time, and runs go fast and pretty well. I don't know what some could do with all the extra time, but I know good and well I'm not just going to stand there looking at my characters backside or overhealing.

I also don't think anyone should be kicked for just healing, as it's not that big a deal to me. I don't mind if something takes an extra few minutes or whatnot. I've been kicked for dpsing before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to someone who didn't. Everyone plays differently, and it's just how it is :) I wouldn't try to change how someone plays.

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Originally Posted by Llus

This reminds me of all the vit wars in 2.x afraid to drop defiance because they might mess up and the party could wipe. Guess what? The party's going to wipe if you swap stances as a healer or a tank. It happens. Know what else happens? You start to learn. You learn when it's safe to swap stances, you learn how to play to your tanks' strengths and your healers' strengths. Being afraid to do something only makes you avoid it and keeps you on that same treadmill. What happens if you move into DPS stance at the wrong time?

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I do see your point, and this is about if people can play their chosen role which is one of the three. I do have much better skills, and spells as a healer, otherwise everyone would be some kind of hybrid player that has to do all three. Dps to me is a different role to healing, Dps is not part of that role naturally, same as healing is not part of a dps role

I dunno. If Stormblood makes fulltime healing a necessity on casual content, I would still play healer. If it doesn't, I'll play healer anyway and keep DPSing 75% of the time, since I would be bored out of my mind just running after the tank and waiting for his HP to hit dangerous levels. That's really all this is about for me - having stuff to do. I'd feel completely useless just standing around waiting for something to happen, and the same goes for tanking. I DPS as much as I can in Deliverence because otherwise all I'd need to do was Flash and Overpower, because holding aggro is my job. I want to do more, and I choose to do more because there's room for doing more.

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Originally Posted by SachiBear

I won't force anyone to do what they don't want to, but personally I don't see the how a healer doesn't want to dps.

I also don't think anyone should be kicked for just healing, as it's not that big a deal to me. I don't mind if something takes an extra few minutes or whatnot. I've been kicked for dpsing before, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened to someone who didn't. Everyone plays differently, and it's just how it is :) I wouldn't try to change how someone plays.

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Its really nice that you have a good attitude like that, Im kind of the same and like to see people having fun, unfortunately, some enjoy coersing others into a playstyle that they may not be enjoying in the name of 'efficiency'. Not that efficiency is a bad thing, the game may be more enjoyable for some if they can be efficient in their own chosen role

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Originally Posted by seekified

I dunno. If Stormblood makes fulltime healing a necessity on casual content, I would still play healer. If it doesn't, I'll play healer anyway and keep DPSing 75% of the time, since I would be bored out of my mind just running after the tank and waiting for his HP to hit dangerous levels. That's really all this is about for me - having stuff to do. I'd feel completely useless just standing around waiting for something to happen, and the same goes for tanking. I DPS as much as I can in Deliverence because otherwise all I'd need to do was Flash and Overpower, because holding aggro is my job. I want to do more, and I choose to do more because there's room for doing more.

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with genuine respect why do you play healer if your dpsing 70% of the time?

It is very seldom you see a heals only healer.
'Heals-only' is usually confused with a hybrid style of heals + idling/afk, so I guess it is up to SE to create content that requires more healing, so that people can adopt a heals only playstyle.

While a personally don't give people who adopt this hybrid idling playstyle a hard time in chat, I always give the commendation to someone who is more active.

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with genuine respect why do you play healer if your dpsing 70% of the time?

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Several reasons. I still enjoy the actual healing, and the shield-style healing of SCH really clicks with me. I also feel like I contribute more to the speed of a dungeon run if I queue as healer because there's probably a bigger difference between a healer doing 0 DPS and a healer doing 1000+ DPS, than the difference between a mediocre DPS player and a great DPS player. Or at least the difference usually isn't less. It's also because juggling healing and DPS is, to me at least, quite exciting and fun. There's always buttons that need pressing and little details that can be optimized.

This is just how I work as a person - I try to fill each moment with something worthwhile. I don't particularly mind players who just focus on healing, I just personally like taking the opportunity to speed things up where I can.

EDIT: I suppose I should add to this that I do in fact want more focused roles going forward. This current DPS-madness meta that has arisen can be fun, but if tanks actually had to think about aggro and mitigation for more than five seconds per pull, and healers had to spend more time healing and buffing, it could result in party content being "clearer" and each role having a more defined purpose.

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with genuine respect why do you play healer if your dpsing 70% of the time?

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Why do you play healer, standing around 70% of time doing nothing?

Question here: is removing paralysis from a blackmage considered "raising grp dps"? Because it's not healing. Not at all. So you are just raising the dps of the grp, which is not a healers job right?