SE please stop putting ex primals in the raid finder and put them back in duty finder

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

What exactly is the difference between RF and DF? I've never used the former. Is it more like PF or DF? It seems to me like it's just DF that enables greater selectivity, but I could be wrong, having never used it.

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It is excatly like DF, except you can only queue up for one raid/trial at a time and you can tick of several boxes to make it easier to get paired up with a like minded group - as in "practice", "clear" and "I've already cleared this and would like to be paired only with people who have cleared it aswell". The menu really isnt hard to find if you're interested in such content and not mentally challenged. (And again, I say: Give it a chance and let people get used to it instead of just asking it to be removed, basically, rather spread the word about RF, tell everyone they can still queue up for EX-primals, if they wish to do so, answer what it is, if someone has a question and dont just regard it, because this way we wont get it to work...)

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

So basically ur saying screw the people that's still working on their heavens ward story or arr story. What I hear is this is my content cause I made it here first that's just horrible and unwelcoming. I really wonder at what point someone is suppose to learn hard content. It's unsync the old bis and ravana are to easy so supposbly that's not enough to have access to anything else sense it's all locked in rf. I feel like the community must want bad players are something.

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no what i'm saying was the success rate of extremes in duty finder was a problem.... that's why they added a raid finder in the first place...

when it comes to when should players be learning hard content my opinion on that is all the time... all content should scale so players are constantly improving. instead the level of difficulty is mostly a flat line. if you can clear sastasha you got the skills you need to unlock virtually everything in the game... the newer dungeons are easier than ever and have been getting easier for a long time.

every set of dungeons / every piece of content should be harder than the last this way player skill improves as they progress through the game... this is also why the "NO BONUS!" culture exists. because the level of skill you need to unlock a piece of content is a long way off the leve lof skill you need to clear it... so unlocking it means nothing.... if the games difficulty increased as you progressed. the by the time you got to and unlocked zurvan ex for example you would obviously have a level of skill much closer to what you need to clear it. that being the case players would then likely be much more willing to take bonuses. because the fact you unlocked the content indicates you're at least of a certain skill level.....

it's a bit extreme but imagine this.
you have a group of 4 people.
you have a warrior that has 4 skills on his hot bar. overpower and his 1 2 3 butchers block combo
you have a blm with 5 skills on there hot bar. fire 1 fire 2 blizzard 1 blizzard 2 and transpose
a whm with 4 skills on there hot bar. protect cure cure 2 and medica
and a dragoon with basically just there 1 2 3 combo....

with just those skills on there hot bars how far through the game could that group make it and how much content can they unlock...

I honestly reckon they would get an incredibly long way into the game even playing there jobs at such a consitantly low level... sure content might take a lot longer for them but it wouldn't be difficult... i'd bet that group of players could unlock creator savage given enough time. (doube the group size for 8man stuff but keep the level of skill the same)

and I think the number of posts in the tales from the duty finder thread about people playing there jobs at this level only validates how far they can get with no skill at all.

and this is why Yoshi p also says there's a massive skill gap in the player base....because the game doesn't require them to improve.

content should be progressively harder and harder as you progress. if they did this by the time a player unlocked zurvan ex. they'd already be at least half way up the mountain thus the skill gap between players would only be half the mountain and thus players would probably be more willing to give them a chance....... but because they don't do this. players can unlock zurvan ex while still standing at the base...... and thus the skill gap is the whole mountain... and its no wonder players say "NO BONUS" becsause you haven't even started to climb the mountain yet....

So yeah players should be learning harder contents ALL the time...

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Originally Posted by Riardon

The problem is few people bother to use RF. There are even some people who don't know where it is. As for the groups. Did you even think that when you don't see any groups currently on PF you can actually make your own? Why everyone always waiting for someone else to create groups?

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I don't have a problem with raid finder queues. in a way it's no different than duty finder queues older content gets less people bother with it. queue ravana ex in duty finder see how long that takes for a laugh...... its why people pf it for tails cos you'll fill the group before the duty finder even gets a second person most of the time....

MUCH RANTING! should shut up now

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Skill progression

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Thats a pretty good observation about some majors problems here!
We all know that the game is supposed to be as accessiable as possible, so even a casual player with two hours each week can get somewhere. Content also needs to be balanced around every possible combination of jobs (the reason they nerfed certain mechanics in Midas Savage: you needed a silence, when you could end up without a class being able to silence). Specially for any storyrelated content the bar is set pretty low - and people get spoiled by that.
The game isnt telling you if you're really ready to challenge specific content - not aimed directly at you, OP, you dont have to tell us again how you've watched all those guides - and that creates people like this bard I had in Xelphalot (or however you spell that) once who didnt know how to properly use their dots. At level 60. I've done Ramuh EX when it was current content and more than once I met warriors without provoke because they never bothered with leveling gladiator past 15 - needless to say that those runs were a waste of everyones time.

Anyways, point is: Not everything has to be handed to you on a silver plate - specially ex-primals shouldnt be. We're having bad progression and bad feedback about what your actual skill is at (unless you go and look for it) and thats the main reason I'm so eager to keep this "no-bonus"-option. Sometimes, I'd just like to be able to queue up for content and know that everyone in there will have seen the whole fight at least - and hopefully rightfully earned their clear.

And yes, part of the challenge might be to find a reliable group to do this content with - while its ofc great to have the convinence of DF at hand, those fights are actually more desigend with a fixed group in mind - I dont get why people are so extremly apposed of finding such a like minded group...

I've seen Sophia EX being RF'd a lot even today, since she's easier to farm than Zurvan. I guess it was because I believe SE said that we'll buy her bird sometime in 3.5x with tokens.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaHero69

I've seen Sophia EX being RF'd a lot even today, since she's easier to farm than Zurvan. I guess it was because I believe SE said that we'll buy her bird sometime in 3.5x with tokens.

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Zurvan is really easy to farm but RF requires the standard two tank setup. Since most farm groups prefer solo tank, many players won't use the RF for it.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Thats a pretty good observation about some majors problems here!
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who has asked for a silver plater if anything Im tryin harder tryin to hard que , I completed all the arr primals that I did in duty finder, farming alex normal for gear on my other jobs duty finder.

I did bis and ravana duty finder Dzain waas saying those ques take under 30 mins, its not a problem gettin a few people to wana do the content but gettin a whole party of 8 people to do it is a problem. I just got to this point in the game so I just simply want to have access to a decent que which I know would be better in duty finder than raid finder, because if I can get a que for the oldest content in the game then I know I could for mid tier content. I dont want a cake walk if anything your complaint is that duty finder is harder because of the players that would be in the duty finder. Duty finder simple reaches more players I dont see how you can deny the fact, anybody knows its the most used feature in the game.

@Dzian
I think you fail to give the majority of the playerbase any credit the type of player you mention is few and far in between the main issue is simply mechanics not that people dont know how to play their jobs. People struggle with mechanics the most in the game and the only way to learn is to get in and have at it , at least thats how I learn but it works with pretty much everything else in life pratice makes perfect. This game is so different now and I feel like its the players that have made it this way not SE, if you look at a guide for ramuh , titan extreme and you read the comments people failed at that 30 plus times and they didnt give up on the content and kept doing it until they suceeded. Now its set up by players that they dont even want players to have that opportunity its more so if I got mine then I dont really care about anyone else, and that is what you call an rpg I think more players should just go back to those because they clearly dont care to be apart of an mmo community.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

I dont want a cake walk if anything your complaint is that duty finder is harder because of the players that would be in the duty finder. Duty finder simple reaches more players I dont see how you can deny the fact, anybody knows its the most used feature in the game.

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I'm not complaining and I'm not saying DF is harder - I'm saying: RF has better options to decided which what sort of players you get paired up. In a content where it matters if someone has cleared it 50 times already or just unlocked and jumped right in, that matters. I pointed out again and again that people are doing this content with different expectations and that often collides, leading to kicking people, rage quitting, you name it. To tackle this problem we got raid finder where you can choose wether you want/need to learn or if you're ready to easly clear the content. And that is good and actually gives a lot more weight to your argument that you should just expect anything in DF (you actually know that its the other way around on japanese servers, right? DF to clear and farm, PF to learn?) - because this way you're more closely to get what you've queued up for.

Give the RF a chance, just like you want us to give a new guy in a duty a chance. You're current complain is that you cant get as much wipes in as you used to but I consider the RF an actually useful tool to narrow down your DF search. Give it time, spread awarness about this feature and eventually it will become just as common as the DF, I see no reason why it shouldnt, after all. For me this is a step into the right direction and an overall good idea - if your main complaint is that currently not enough people are using it, advertising it more should be the way to go, not removing it.

Honestly, besides the increase in customization options, RF is no different than DF, even if it's name is different.

If people don't know where the RF is, then show them. (Or start getting people in the habit of reading the patch notes in the maintenance downtime)

If queue's for certain duties are taking too long/not filling, then put up a PF party. Cross world PF is making things easier than ever to customize your groups and what you want. This method even works for old ARR primals.

PF, DF, or RF, you can still get a bunch of randoms to join you, you still have to wait for it to fill and can still help out as many as you like. Only difference is that with at least two of them, you yourself can customize your preferences as you see fit.

Nothing needs to be changed, least in my eyes.

The OP is just going to keep talking in circles if you guys keep trying to reason with them... =w=

If your main concern is that going into 4.0, these things will still be in the RF, don't worry, they'll be moved to the DF by 4.0 when the new savage raids and ex trials show up, just like all the other stuff that was originally in the RF. =w=

i like this dude's thread, always enjoyable to read

I actually had a pretty good idea right now!

Dear people making guids on youtube,

please make a guid to show hos to use the raidfinder! Currently people arent struggeling so much with soar but with queuing up for Zurvan since they cant find the duty! They've shown and pointed out that they can research guides and videos on how to clear content, maybe you can help them to access it aswell!

Sincerly,
Vidu

(This is actually half sarcastic and half serious - if thats how you reach people interested in doing ex-primals... be my guest - in raidfinder.)

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase. You can't select it for all, which divides up the already small number of people who would use Raidfinder, and people just make PFs for the above options anyway, raidfinder is redundant. DF works because it mixes people who have cleared, and all the other people of varying experiences. I am someone who likes helping people clear content in DF (I am still proud of when I helped 6 first-timers clear the whorleater before HW came out), and I really miss the DF experience.
:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase.

:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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This is a bone of contention for a lot of people. Some fights are far from trivial, even when they are overgeared for like Thordan Ex. There are many that don't appreciate having their farm time wasted because they got lumped in with newbies and no option to bail (because of 30 min pentalty). I think the RF is fine where it is, it just needs to allow multi queuing.

Some of the primals Zurvan EX for example nobody queues for it in raid finder. I picked duty complete and after 3 hours it didn't find a group. For whatever reason if it were in duty finder I think there may be a faster queue since there isn't all these options, of cleared or not or practice or not

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Originally Posted by Yudzster

i like this dude's thread, always enjoyable to read

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i know right?

Before RF, any completely new EX primals were full party queue only until they lifted the restriction later. You couldn't even solo queue the new ones. In that sense, it's sort of an improvement.

I mean I guess the really old ones should have been pulled out by now and thrown into DF but you would lose the filters so there are pros and cons.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Some of the primals Zurvan EX for example nobody queues for it in raid finder. I picked duty complete and after 3 hours it didn't find a group. For whatever reason if it were in duty finder I think there may be a faster queue since there isn't all these options, of cleared or not or practice or not

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Nah it's not because it is RF. It's because people do 1 tank strategies in NA datacenters, and it wouldn't change if it was in DF since both force 2 tanks by default. Sophia RF was decently popular, but that's because the standard party setup was the normal party setup in PF and being able to solo queue completion with others with clears was a game changer.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

Raid finder excludes people based on experience though. In Raid finder you can choose to only queue with people who have cleared, only people who want to do the first phase, or only people who want to do the last phase. You can't select it for all, which divides up the already small number of people who would use Raidfinder

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Thats why I personally would suggest to narrow the options down to "cleared" and "not cleared" - if you've cleared it you're ofc still free to queue up for "not cleared" if you wish to help!
The problem with DF is: Farming ex-primals there isnt a very pleasent experience, because well, yes, you get all sorts of people. That makes it ofc useful for those who are trying to learn and clear, but useless/painful for everyone who just wants their weapon - sometimes you've got half an hour on your hand, thats not enough to commit to a farm-party; and sometimes I like the option to jump out even after just one or two runs without feeling bad about it.

You're making it sound a bit like "I dont want all those experienced players to be taken out of my queue", yet that might be what those people actually want and forcing them to help isnt... "good" - it leads to all that toxic behaviour we're seeing towards people being new to an ex-primal. So give them the option to only queue up with people who have cleared the instance before is good in my opinion. But the other selections can go, since the game cant check them anyways and they just hurt the queue-pool without achieving anything.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

Nah it's not because it is RF. It's because people do 1 tank strategies in NA datacenters, and it wouldn't change if it was in DF since both force 2 tanks by default. Sophia RF was decently popular, but that's because the standard party setup was the normal party setup in PF and being able to solo queue completion with others with clears was a game changer.

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Sophia was/is great in RF! She might be one of the easier primals, granted, but honestly: one-shoting her like 10 times in a row with randoms was really, really nice (not so nice: I lost the bird ;_; with 97...)

Use party finder, no reason to complain about this anymore when you can just make a cross-world party.

I've never quite understood why they couldn't be in both. DF for random without restrictions, and RF so you can set parameters if you want.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

I've never quite understood why they couldn't be in both. DF for random without restrictions, and RF so you can set parameters if you want.

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Likely because RF is already going to split up the available pool of players quite a bit and adding it to DF is a mostly pointless further division of that pool of players. Dividing the player pool up too much makes it hard for the queue to fill groups, which leads to longer wait times and a less positive game experience.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Use party finder, no reason to complain about this anymore when you can just make a cross-world party.

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As I mention before df is a better place for personal practice, because if youve never done something before then watching a guide is one thing but its not until you can combine personal pratice and a guides knowledge together that you learn the content. As I mention earlier I do not see any learning parties anywhere on pf for sep, thordan, or sophia because it isnt zurvan, I dont even see learning parties for even zurvan anymore. Right now the community assumes that everyone is caught up on everything and have knowledge of everything and thats just simply not the case so this is why I dont use pf. And Im not saying either that I havent tried rf I have tried it , I just know that if the content was in df it would be a better chance for a que than on raid finder.

I dont even understand how people are arguing agaisnt this, its not about weeding people out or this are that its simply that you will have a higher rate of a que for players that dont have statics, or that dont have friends that like doing high level content. The people whom do have this can easily use the pf feature are can get friends to bird farm with them, some just have better luck doing things in a random situation and encounter. If it worked for arr content and it still works even tho ques are long then it would work for hw content. I know for a fact that I can que for ravana extreme in df and get a faster que than I would in rf for thordan , sep etc simply because duty finder is used by more people.

Pretty sure the reason why you get into ravana and bisex so fast through DF is because of Wondrous Tails, not because DF queues and generally faster...

Just make your own learning party in PF, if there's none set up?

Because DF could handle Zurvan/Sophia ex... I doubt it could even handle Thordan.

Raid finder exists to handle harder content, and the different progression levels that people are at with it, duty finder exists for content that is easy enough for people to not have a problem with and can just queue into without needing to learn much. Ex primals are exactly where they belong.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Because DF could handle Zurvan/Sophia ex... I doubt it could even handle Thordan.

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I would have to disagree by saying this its like sayin that hw content was that much more challenging that arr content and from what Ive done so far its basicly the same. There isnt anything that sticks out in hw thats just overwhelming more difficult than that of Arr stuff once you understand the content.

Id say that grauda the very first extreme has more going on that bis and ravana , and people claim she is the easiest primal there is. On the forums this week people are sayin how Alexander is underwhelming compared to coil, the hard mood dungeons in hw arent just so amazingly more difficult than any of the hard moods in Arr. And its post after post about how easy zurvan is, annd that sophia is easy as well according to all the post here on the forums, so if the Arr primals are in duty finder then there is nothing so special about the hw ones to where they shouldnt be in duty finder as well. The gap in the content isnt that large to where one has to be gated behind a wall for no reason.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

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Ravana and Bismark are in the DF though

As for the rest of it, I specifically named 3 primals, Zurvan, Sophia, and Thordan (you could be right about Seph and Nid with the way gear is now, but thats not the point I'm making). The point is that raid finder is designed for the content that requires practice and progression, and the option to farm (which the three named primals NEED for now), and in all honesty, the ARR ex primals were a reasonable difficulty back in their day, especially Titan, and if raid finder had existed then, they would have been in it. In stormblood, you can bet that all the HW primals will be moved into the DF and SB primals put in the raid finder.

looks like we're going in circles after all, bravo dude

I see both farming and learning parties for EX primals in PF all the time, and I'm on a medium sized server. DF is mainly for story mode/casual content, and EX primals are not casual content. Even the ARR ones. They don't belong in DF. It's a very good thing to separate those wanting to learn/teach from those who have other things to do with their time. Nobody's time is wasted this way.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I see both farming and learning parties for EX primals in PF all .

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But the thing is people act like people do not die in dungeons are that Sastasha normal doesnt take 30 mins with a new tank in leveling gear are really any tank that doesnt big pull. And extreme primal is just another que and should be treated as such. No one should have to go out out of their way to do older primals when its a new fresh one thats out now that everyone is playing. From Sophia down should be in duty finder also and fine keep it in raid finder but it should be in both df and raid finder not exclusively raid finder alone the ones who dont like duty finder just simply wouldnt have to use it.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

As I mention before df is a better place for personal practice,.

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The thing is that sentence right there is the main reason they added the raid finder in the first place... because people were using the duty finder as a training ground which meant it was basically impossible for people to use it to actually get clears / rewards.. which in turn meant no one even touched it...

the raid finder has proven pretty successful for the most part. many people have successfully used it to farm Sophia and zurvan and have a pretty decent clear rate. which is something that just wouldn't happen in the duty finder.... if you were crazy enough to duty finder seph or even thordan you'll know exactly what I mean...

it's a pretty western thing as well. over in the east the trends are total opposites. people use the party finder for learning and practice and duty/raid finder for farming..

but yeah the raid was added because people were treating the Duty finder like a practice mode. and thus made it virtually impossible to successfully clear harder content in the duty finder

the best place for practice is party finder create a learning/practice party. or queue practice on the raid finder..

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Originally Posted by Dzian

The thing is that sentence right there is the main reason they

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I have tho is the thing , Ive tried every sense I finished hw story to que for thordan extreme and get zero people to be added. Just me and the one person or two people I was already in a party with, lets be real nobody in this game likes to do content with people that arent caught up in progression with them. I see this every day on pf no bonus, in every single party no bonus no bonus from top to bottom. So obviously nobody is going join a phase run on something old in rf. But I have had no issue getting things in duty finder, Ive had failures and Ive had successes using the duty finder. The failure is ok as long as I get the chance or anyone else for that matter people new to content arent welcomed in pf go on your pf right now and count how many no bonus groups youll find.

Thats why I dont even look at pf because if you have never done something then they dont want you there and obviously nobody wants people in rf either. And thats exactly why it should be in df or both , because this is extreme whos to say that someone doesnt have the right to try something 100 times until they get a clear nobody because its in the game. So Rf and Pf are too exclusive it has to be a way for players to have access to content where they have an opportunity to test out the content. Raid finder should be farm clear parties only, and it should not have a practice option are a new person option all that is doing is putting a target on ones back for people not to join. Because the base has made it clear that they do not like new players in their farm content, so it should be in duty finder for people new are learning the content. RF should just be a make shift static , instead of forcing players to use it when they could just simply have it in duty finder for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by bswpayton

Thats why I dont even look at pf because if you have never done something then they dont want you there and obviously nobody wants people in rf either.

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And you think it's going to be any different if it was in the DF?
It being in the RF isn't the problem, the problem is those who have it on farm have no incentive to help newer players and want to get the fight over with as quickly possible, so they can get their drops and be done with it and move on to the next farm. While it is true someone has the right to try 100 times to clear content, is it really fair to the other 7 players in the party who just want to get it over with?

I will say this again, as you obviously chose to ignore it the last couple of times I already said it in this thread

MAKE YOUR OWN LEARNING GROUP. IN PF.

I will also add that ravex/bisex are in DF because they're the oldest primals in HW, and quite easy to clear even through DF - WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE EVEN BOTHER QUEUING FOR IT THIS WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE. THE SAME CANNOT BE SAID FOR OTHER HW PRIMALS. Lumping bisex/ravex with all other primals before (and including) sophex is insane, and the only thing that this will accomplish is that no one will queue for these instances.

So it seems like the question is "Why can't I find 7 experienced people to clear the fight with". Which if you have already been thought most of the fight is fair enough as it can be daunting to have to start over again with a new learning party.

However DF will not provide this for you. Older HW ex primals work most of the time because most people know those fights now and they are quick.

This is what FCs are for. If your FC can't form a party to help new people clear recent but not necessarily brand new content and that it what you are interested in then you should consider a new FC or at least LS setup for this.

Most servers I've been on have LS for learning parties and bird farms etc.

If you haven't run the fight at all - well create your own learning party in PF.

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Originally Posted by Spiroglyph

I will say this again, as you obviously chose to ignore it the last couple of times I already said it in this thread
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:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

This is what someone else posted in here earlier why would I want to be put in this situation, and also again to say that the primals thordan and up are that much more difficult than the ones in arr is just not true. From what I have seen SE did not triple the difficulty of the content in hw I would even say some of the arr primals are more difficult that the hw ones and that many people that unsync then prob couldnt clear those from lack of actually playing them as intended.

Thats just silly to say that no one would que for them if people still que for ramuh and titan and they are old as dirt then people would still que for the ones that are still some what relevant. Obviously you must not of used the duty finder for primals before because yes it had a higher chance of failure but it also reaches way more people and that is the whole point not to limit the amount of people that can do the content but to expand that number. But you seem to want to make this content premium content when its just something that you can learn and do over time, thats all that it takes is time.

But what raid finder is , is for people who did the content when it was new, didnt get their mounts and are just using it for mounts farming. Its not for people that are just approaching the content for the first time, that is the only different is some people got practice and others did not, and rf is just to cut the practice part for new to content players out completely which makes no sense. The only reason why it matters to you whether its in rf are not is because youve already learn the content , so its easier for you to say I dont care about someone else tryin to do the samething you did months prior its easy to have that mindset. But like I said others are at different progression points in the game, so they should not be excluded from the content just because of this even if that,s what the community wants. Giving two options at the least is something se should do not just put everything in the favor of people that have already progressed passed the learning stages.

The raid finder is used for both not sure where your coming up with this "only people that want to farm use raid finder to cut people like me who waited out of the loop. Get out of your own head and use the functions provided to you in the game please. no one cares if you fail in a learning party people went in expecting to wipe. Now if your worried you don't play your class well enough you do post on these forums quite often take yourself over to the guides for your class that are on this forum and read up.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

The raid finder is used for both not sure where your coming up with this "only people that want to farm use raid finder to cut people like me who waited out of the loop. Get out of your own head and use the functions provided to you in the game please. no one cares if you fail in a learning party people went in expecting to wipe. Now if your worried you don't play your class well enough you do post on these forums quite often take yourself over to the guides for your class that are on this forum and read up.

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Um actually thats not even close to what Im saying dont know where you got this from , Ive stated I watch guides for every piece of content that I do. I look up rotations for each job if I want to play them in higher level content. I tank and I know how to go into my off tankin stance for more damage esp on my warrior, I know how to mitigate damage I look at and have been studying xenoyos guides on warrior and drk.

I have over 800 commendations with less than 1000 instances, Ive done all the midcore content alex 1- 12 tanked them with my pali with minimumal bad runs Ive gone out of my way to do the old extreme primals sync instead of the bs feature unsync. Ive been practicing my rotations at Stone, Sky, Sea, done all the 24 mans so no Its not about knowing how to play my job or not it is simply just having access to content again nobody is going to join a phase run for something that is old I have already tried rf. Raid finder is for alex savage and people that want to farm birds not for someone who is late to doing the content despite the feature being there its not going to be used as much as it would be in the df. I didnt come here without even tryin the feature before posting the fact that I tried the feature is the very reason Im here its a bs feature for extreme primals when the duty finder worked just fine. It reaches more people bottom line , I dont have to put my name out there like i would in pf just so I can learn some content because Im late to it. Like the people on here I swear according to these forums and how people talk every play was a day one clear for every piece of content in the game.

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The anonymous nature of the DF is no longer there as the Contact List can now list the last 50 people you have ever partied with no matter what form of the Duty Finder you use, and even blacklist if necessary. If your scared of making mistakes..well..that's what the PRACTICE option on the RF or PF is there for.

Yes, people don't want bonus in their farm parties because they have already put in the practice using the methods given to them, and if no practice was up, then they either made their own, or joined their FC/Friends on doing them.

If you really want these things on the DF, then your only option at this point is to wait until 4.0. I am sure they will be there, but until then, you will have to hop yourself out of your comfort zone and go after these Primals if you want the experience. That experience won't just come to you going around in circles like this on the forums.

It doesn't pop as fast as the old Primals? Plenty of people have already answered this one, on almost every page of this 8 page thread. I don't think it needs to be repeated.

Since it seems that is you are fighting for new players, you will get more respect if you do indeed PUT YOUR NAME OUT THERE FOR ALL TO SEE. And you can do this by putting up a PF and starting a learning party, helping those that aren't familiar with the RF, can't find it, or the queue doesn't pop for them to get their content done. The cross server PF is the perfect time to begin.

Not only will you help yourself in this aspect, but many other people as well getting their feet wet in these fights. Practice isn't the place to criticize folks on messing up mechanics, that's the one thing the NA is usually in agreement with. Anyone that does is someone you don't want in your practice group to begin with and can remove them as you see fit.

As for the Raid finder, it isn't just for those that have completed, but it's also for people to practice as well if they aren't happy with using the PF option. Plenty of people used it for Sophia (myself included ^^) and it is indeed a wonderful thing, not only for people wanting to farm, but for those of us that need to practice as well. My entire time with Sophia was all done thru the RF, learning, failing and learning again before actually clearing in one of those RF learning parties.

The DF is as nice thing yes, but it isn't always ideal for every piece of content. And with the different objectives and skill levels that are randomly put together from the massive pool of players, it just currently isn't necessary or possible to do these things on the DF. What we are given now is a clean way to separate those objectives so that the experience, no matter at the start or towards your farming session is as easy as possible.

The RF attempts to do this.

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:I Plus I like the anonymity of DF when I am learning something. PF has my name plastered for everyone to see and remember when I am failing in a learning party :I

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You do know SE added the Contact list during the last patch, that shows the name and server of those you had previously partied with and let's you Blacklist them, right?

Plus, people queue for older content like Titan and Ramuh because of Wonderous Tails, Pony Farming, and the occasional farming for crafting mats and usually go in unsynched.

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The anonymous nature of the DF is no longer there as the Contact List can now list the
The RF attempts to do this.

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It looks like I have no other choice, Im just about including people in content not excluding them and thats what rf does. But I just cant wait til after storm blood and have to do unsync so I guess ill have to do a learning party I would of joined one if I saw some up already Im on primal data center and I just mostly see farms or savage. They just should of given us both options instead of one.

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It looks like I have no other choice, Im just about including people in content not excluding them.

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And that's exactly what you can do with starting a learning PF. Include as many that are willing and able to join (which will probably be alot overtime).

You can do it ^^