Can Red Mage start at level 30?

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Originally Posted by Imoen

This past week, I feel like I'm the only person that likes leveling anymore :(

Not that it matters much for me, but 30 would have been an understandable place to start because that is when you get job stone.

Like, seriously, all I would have done the first hour or so was work out bars and read tool tips, could have spent that time actually playing, instead of just reading the manual.




Just buy a potion I guess? :P

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I have everything at 60, what is there left for me to level? The leveling experience outside of going through the main story is boring. Once I have the first job to cap, the rest just get leveled through roulettes, but i wouldnt call it fun.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

should start at lvl 30 give people time to learn they jobs

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Why should time be given to people to learn their jobs when the whole time thing is at their discretion? There's no reason to gimp everyone because some people learn slower than others.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Why should time be given to people to learn their jobs when the whole time thing is at their discretion? There's no reason to gimp everyone because some people learn slower than others.

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Not only that, if people want to learn the class and prefer to do low level content, they have this option to do this. When I started tanking, I stayed a bit longer in the low level dungeons so I could learn and get used to the basics of tanking. If some players want to take the time to learn and prefer to spend time at level 30 zones, then they can do this, the rest of us will start from level 50. We have 20 levels to learn the class, this is enough.

Currently, level 50 is when most classes begin to actually open up and show their true colors. There's not much reason to start at 30 and handicap yourself.

So many people are really concerned about this. . .

Whether you start at 30, 50, or even level 1, don't be so concerned with others properly learning the job. Worry about making sure YOU learn it properly and making sure you can play it to the best of your ability. If everyone had that mindset - and yes I'm aware this is idealism at its core - we wouldn't have issues with players not knowing their jobs or underperforming them.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I have everything at 60, what is there left for me to level? The leveling experience outside of going through the main story is boring. Once I have the first job to cap, the rest just get leveled through roulettes, but i wouldnt call it fun.

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What? Well just because you find it boring, doesn't mean everyone does. They are already adding a potion for people that want to skip leveling... I don't see why they are forcing a higher level down peoples throats that actually want to level the jobs.

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Originally Posted by Imoen

What? Well just because you find it boring, doesn't mean everyone does. They are already adding a potion for people that want to skip leveling... I don't see why they are forcing a higher level down peoples throats that actually want to level the jobs.

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If you really want to go through the "leveling process:"
Put only the skills on your hotbar up to level 15. Run Sastasha until you're used to those skills.
Add more skills to your hotbar, run the next dungeon up to their level. Run that dungeon until you're used to those skills.
Repeat until you reach the level 50 skills.

There, you've learned your job up to 50 without having to grind out the levels.

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Originally Posted by Imoen

What? Well just because you find it boring, doesn't mean everyone does. They are already adding a potion for people that want to skip leveling... I don't see why they are forcing a higher level down peoples throats that actually want to level the jobs.

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Because outside of the MSQ leveling is just irrelevant? You can still do leveling roulettes, FATEs, dungeons etc. every day if you find it fun, but some people may not. Spamming the same thing daily is not fun in everyone's eyes, plus the potions won't get you right up to lv70.

Ok whatever guys.

Lets just get rid of levels all together then, because "Hey whats the point!" =/

Just saying, there are those of us out there, that do enjoy leveling and growth, not just mimicking it by queuing for low level dungeons.

Has nothing to do with learning the skills.

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Originally Posted by Aramina

Not to mention he said they won't be usable on the new jobs.

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I was being facetious.

"Let people learn!"

Bah, not me, I'm excited to get thrown into the fray!
As previously stated, people who learn slower have options open to them, it's only overwhelming if you let it be.
As someone who likes grind, I'm pretty happy with RDM starting at 50 (But I wouldn't care if they went down to 30).

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Because outside of the MSQ leveling is just irrelevant?

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Like, everything is pointless maaaaaan. Think about it.

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Originally Posted by Kabzy

Because outside of the MSQ leveling is just irrelevant? You can still do leveling roulettes, FATEs, dungeons etc. every day if you find it fun, but some people may not. Spamming the same thing daily is not fun in everyone's eyes, plus the potions won't get you right up to lv70.

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Not to mention he said they won't be usable on the new jobs.

The fact you're going to start at level 50 doesn't prevent you from queueing up for Brayflox level sync if you want to learn your kit that bad. I understand people saying "LET OTHER PEOPLE LEARNN!1" but everybody uses that as an excuse. Nobody says "I want to learn it that way", everyone always speak as if someone else is asking them to be the protectors of this "I wanna learn" community.

POTD is there if people want to start at lvl 1 and progressively learn. Level sync dungeons are also there. Even if you sync for a low level FATE you can learn your skills just fine. RDM starting at lvl 1 or lvl 50 is irrelevant.

i would like SAM/RDM to start at the level 60 :p

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Originally Posted by DevilsDontFly

The fact you're going to start at level 50 doesn't prevent you from queueing up for Brayflox level sync if you want to learn your kit that bad. I understand people saying "LET OTHER PEOPLE LEARNN!1" but everybody uses that as an excuse. Nobody says "I want to learn it that way", everyone always speak as if someone else is asking them to be the protectors of this "I wanna learn" community.

POTD is there if people want to start at lvl 1 and progressively learn. Level sync dungeons are also there. Even if you sync for a low level FATE you can learn your skills just fine. RDM starting at lvl 1 or lvl 50 is irrelevant.

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Amen. Simply queue for lower duties and do it that way. The option of starting at 30 forces everyone onto your path, the option of starting at 50 allows you to do it your way and everyone else to get on with things.

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Originally Posted by Imoen

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1. No one said anything of getting rid of levels at all. I prefer the way the devs are intending to plan it out by having only 20 levels of EXP required, especially as the time required to level 50-60 is the same as 1-50, and 50-70 is already longer than that.
2. That's great, but that playstyle is not many would agree with, because characters will still exhibit leveling and growth, but instead of 40 levels of grinding stuff you've already done and been through for 3 years, you are now doing 20 levels, half the time required, statistically.
3. It might not be you, but a LOT of people are saying "let the people learn!", this implies that any generic person cannot learn, period. I however disagree with your playstyle because losing 20 levels of leveling from Haukke Manor to Aurum Vale, and that it affects leveling and growth is an inane statement to make. It's not something you can claim as fact, it depends on the person. If you honestly don't like it, you're free to go into PotD to 'experience' the leveling and growth you like to see.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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I know no one said that, I was just pointing out that if you say starting earlier is pointless, so is leveling at all. (not "you" personally, just in general.)

I personally didn't like it even when jobs started at 30 , but I gave them a pass because there was no class attached to it. It is not an insane statement to make, some people like leveling and growing into a strong character not just starting half way through. I can claim that as fact, because I am one of those people, to say that isn't a fact, is like saying I'm not a "person".

I understand that I am obviously, no longer part of the target demographic anymore, with all this new news. This has been an incredibly long, frustrating, and depressing week for me personally, in regards to this game. It's bumming me out big time. Instead of getting excited I'm just being pushed out the door, it feels bad man.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Also, I said inane, which means stupid, not insane.

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Well either way, it isn't an inane one either.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Regardless of however this situation goes, there will always be people affected negatively, so personally, I am looking at this from the bright side that I personally will require less time spent into a new class I plan to main.

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I understand that, and you being positive about it is fine. I'm glad you're happy. However; some of us do enjoy that process. I don't think it's crazy or stupid that some people are getting upset, that half the leveling process is being cut from a fresh job, given this is an RPG. The 30 jobs for HW made sense, because they are trying to get rid of classes, and 30 is the magic number where you become a job.

For me, when I start an RPG that contains leveling, some of the fun for me is getting excited at what I'm going to unlock next, I love taking screenshots of my character as a baby in their crappy gear, all the way up through to the end, when they are fully geared and grown. Basically what people are saying here is for us to fake that experience by going to PotD or queing for low dungeons. Which despite what they imply, is not the same thing at all.

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Originally Posted by ZhaneX

As it stands however, Stormblood's own new jobs will only have from 50-70, giving them only half as much room for a story as every other job.

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ARR job quests were every 5 levels. HW was every 2. The number of quests that can be fit in depends on the frequency of the quests and not just the number of levels.

The less Qarn I have to deal with the better

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Originally Posted by Imoen

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Regardless of however this situation goes, there will always be people affected negatively, so personally, I am looking at this from the bright side that I personally will require less time spent into a new class I plan to main.

Also, I said inane, which means stupid, not insane. It's obviously not a very demanding request to start at Lv30, I wouldn't care where it started from, but if the devs feel 50 is a good spot, then that gives me even more of a reason to start on RDM since it would take less to reach max.

I'll take 50 on my RDM. I would much rather get into Stormblood asap. 30-70 doesn't appeal to me but, I would do it if I had to. So 50 is better for me =)

As much as I see issues with this I don't see much issues with this considering didn't they say there is a level lock behind this Job anyways so players can not instantly play Red Mage until, probably, they obtain their first level 50 Job and have the 4.0 Expansion.

Also it probably won't take long for players to learn how to player Red Mage if they actual want to put effort into that Job once they organize the skills. Probably a day or so to adjust to Red Mage combat style if I have to guess.

Seriously, it doesn't make sense to start at 50. Jobs start at 30. That's a thing, it makes sense, it's why DRK AST and MCH start at 30.

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

Ninja had to lvl rogue, maybe since you care about consistency you should be mad about DRK, AST and MCH starting at 30 and not having to lvl classes.

I have to agree with level 30 as a starting point. I know others disagree but I feel I get to learn the job more when I have a few skills already as opposed to a mass amount of them. Even going back to classes I never touched once I leveled to 60 I almost feel overwhelmed but then again I also actually enjoy leveling and learning new abilities and no, starting an alt isn't the same for me. Yeah I suppose PotD would be an option but still, I'd prefer level 30.

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Originally Posted by Grymmjow

I'll take 50 on my RDM. I would much rather get into Stormblood asap. 30-70 doesn't appeal to me but, I would do it if I had to. So 50 is better for me =)

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You mean you "much rather get into stormblood as rdm asap"? Cause otherwise there nothing stopping you from getting into the expansion asap once it gets released.

I agree I love leveling its much more fun leveling a job as opposed to gear

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Some people enjoy leveling and learning their jobs can we start at level 30. Instead of 50 it makes more sense since jobs (including heavenward jobs) start at 30.

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Yes, please! Have my like.

I've mentioned this before, but my desire to start at a lower level stems from two reasons. 1) I enjoy the leveling process. Starting at 50 means fewer levels, which means the job will be capped sooner, which means I'll be "done" with it sooner. Leveling alts is one of my primary activities in MMOs. 2) Starting at 50 means, if I want to make an alt for red mage, I'll need to grind through ARR on a class I have no interest in repeating the leveling process on. This is the same problem that the HW jobs had, and I am very frustrated, because SE ADMITTED that locking the HW jobs away was a mistake. So why are they doing it again? Sheer stubbornness? It can't be ignorance, since they've outright stated they shouldn't have done mch/ast/drk that way.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

30 to 50 and 50 to 60 were always completely separate storylines. All this really means is red mage will only have 2 stories instead of 3.

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Not entirely true. As I said, some felt like a cohesive continuation of the prior story, while others felt significantly disconnected.

SCH I'd say is a good example of what felt like a cohesive continuation; working with the Tonberries you helped free of rancor to hunt down the demon who cursed them eons ago.
DRG is probably the best example of one that suffered from a disconnect with its previous story, given that story fed directly into the Main Storyline of Heavensward, leaving... not a lot interesting for the DRG Quests.

Whatever they will decide to do I hope they are going to make it coherent. What I mean is, if SB job start at 50, make HW job 50 as well. Otherwise make SB job 30.

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Originally Posted by Grymmjow

Ninja had to lvl rogue, maybe since you care about consistency you should be mad about DRK, AST and MCH starting at 30 and not having to lvl classes.

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Rogue is a class, started at 1. Ninja is a job, started at 30.
Advanced jobs like regular jobs start at 30 as well.

I'd personally prefer if DRK, AST & MCH had classes, but the current set up makes a sort of sense. Starting at 50 is just arbitrary.

Well, that's rude.

What would be nice is if they gave us a choice of what level we want to start the jobs at once they become unlocked...That way those of us who want to start at level 1 can do so...Those who want 30 can do that and those who want 50 can ..This way everyone is happy. As a 'modern mmo' choices should be abundant for so many differing play styles and point of views.

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Originally Posted by Brightshadow

Some people enjoy leveling and learning their jobs can we start at level 30.

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These people need therapy.

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Originally Posted by Gardthorne

These people need therapy.

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Nah. Different people like different things.

I'd have expected new jobs to keep starting at 30, but I can understand where they're coming from here. 30-50 is a fairly unpleasant grind through really old content. And then 50-60 is a HUGE grind (same amount of exp as 1-50 remember). Bypassing one of those is actually fine with me, and I AM one of those people that enjoys leveling.

Personally I'm really looking forward to trying out RDM and I'd do it from 30 if I had to, but I'm fine with this too.

What I am kinda wondering though is whether or not I need to start farming poetics for level 50 int gear or if RDM will come with some kind of starter set. DRK, AST, and MCH didn't but those started much lower...

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Originally Posted by Gardthorne

These people need therapy.

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Wow, so mean.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

And then 50-60 is a HUGE grind (same amount of exp as 1-50 remember). Bypassing one of those is actually fine with me, and I AM one of those people that enjoys leveling.

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I expect HW levelling will get the same big xp boost that ARR levels get.

I'm pretty sure people will level quickly in PotD, I mean... Seriously you guys we don't have to deal with fates anymore XD

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Originally Posted by Madepossible

I'm pretty sure people will level quickly in PotD, I mean... Seriously you guys we don't have to deal with fates anymore XD

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I love that place, but to be honest, I prefer dungeons over deep dungeons for leveling.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Seriously, it doesn't make sense to start at 50. Jobs start at 30. That's a thing, it makes sense, it's why DRK AST and MCH start at 30.

I don't care if that is changed, but I care about consistency. If the other jobs aren't starting at 50 then Red shouldn't.

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It does make sense. Its because they can't keep making job story quests for every job starting at 30. It will get even worst after a couple more expansions. MCH/DRK/AST starting at level 30 was probably in part decided because that means they didn't have to make a story quests for the 1-30 levels.