Summoners rejoice (Egi Glamour)

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Originally Posted by Remedi

I was wondering, since usually they don't reveal items in the new patch, what if the reason for this that the egi-glamour is crafted and as such they are hiding it to avoid market inflation?

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Could be, however I would think that it would still be mentioned even if the recipes were not revealed. They do this for gear, stating that new items will be added and providing some pictures without revealing specifics.

Egi glamours would be an entirely new system that many players have been anticipating for quite some time. You would think that it would have at least some form recognition within the preliminary notes if they intended on implementing it this patch. There's nothing.

Shiva and Ramuh will different Egi first off Shiva an Ice elemental and Ramuh is thunder

Wish a mod would just clarify EGI GLAMOUR yes there in or no there not!!

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

Shiva and Ramuh will different Egi first off Shiva an Ice elemental and Ramuh is thunder

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I'm not really sure what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by Showmeyourteeth

Wish a mod would just clarify EGI GLAMOUR yes there in or no there not!!

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I have a feeling that not even the mods know.

People asking for egi glamour instead of properly made egis instead... smh.

Enjoy NEW crappy models?

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

People asking for egi glamour instead of properly made egis instead... smh.

Enjoy NEW crappy models?

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People are asking for it because the devs flat-out said they won't design new pet playstyles for SMN because they'd hate to have to balance them; the egi glamour is their compromise for variety for SMNs.

That's why people who know about this/understand their stance have stopped barking-up the "new properly made egis" tree and constantly ask about the glamour.

EDIT: Oh, in hindsight re-reading you meant new pet designs of existing egis? Still asking for too much.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

(..) because the devs flat-out said they won't design new pet playstyles for SMN because they'd hate to have to balance them; (..)

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While being a reason too, the main argument was because they dont like to give SMN a new skill with each patch and all other jobs dont get anything!
Thats why we just have 3 Egis... The idea to glamour them was born because players wished to use carbuncle while being SMN.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

Shiva and Ramuh will different Egi first off Shiva an Ice elemental and Ramuh is thunder

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Well, the Egis we have aren't built around the element so much as the role. Ifrit is a melee DPS, Garuda is a ranged DPS, and Titan is a tank.

What the Glamours will do is replace the look and animations in the same way as the original Egis do to the Carbuncles.

So, for example, now Ifrit looks like Leviathan and is slamming his tail at enemies up close. Titan is now a Shiva and all the crystal attacks are ice, etc.

I never understood why people even want glamours for the egis, what's wrong with the ones we have?
I don't see SCH complaining that he doesn't have 15 different fairy looks, or MCH that his drone does not have a wide variety of different appearances...
I don't see BLMs asking SE to give them the option to make their Blizzard 4 appear as a giant ball of water instead because they are sick of looking at ice.
Always bothered me why it was considered to be okay for SMN to ask for that,...

....but I'll be so glad if they finally add it now just because it will stop people from asking for it :o
In every second thread someone brings this up as if it's such a big, horrible issue x.x
Well, I assume some people are equally annoyed about my eternal fight for a glamour catalouge...:rolleyes:
And will be so glad when people finally shut up about it!....oh wait, that will probably never happen -.-

I really enjoy playing the SMN and so like most, excited about the new egi-glamours. Kinda glad they're not just out-right scrapped! That would've sucked...

But what's with all this hush-hush going about? To be frank, I really don't think the new egi's will be in patch 3.4, considering the abysmal advertising of such a wanted feature. Because there wasn't any. Maybe some ppl are right? To prevent market inflations and whatnot, but this all struck me as odd.

I think it's more reasonable to believe it will be included in 3.45 rather the base 3.4, much like PotD. Either way, I'm excited! And hey, if I'm wrong and it's gonna be included in 3.4, all the better!

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Originally Posted by Atoli

....but I'll be so glad if they finally add it now just because it will stop people from asking for it :o
In every second thread someone brings this up as if it's such a big, horrible issue x.x
Well, I assume some people are equally annoyed about my eternal fight for a glamour catalouge...:rolleyes:
And will be so glad when people finally shut up about it!....oh wait, that will probably never happen -.-

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Problem is, they won't stop asking =/
As soon as one is released, you will be able to see threads asking for the next etc. I like playing my smn but honestly, I hardly see my egi anyway so I couldn't care less what it looks like....

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I never understood why people even want glamours for the egis, what's wrong with the ones we have?
I don't see SCH complaining that he doesn't have 15 different fairy looks, or MCH that his drone does not have a wide variety of different appearances...
I don't see BLMs asking SE to give them the option to make their Blizzard 4 appear as a giant ball of water instead because they are sick of looking at ice.
Always bothered me why it was considered to be okay for SMN to ask for that,...

....but I'll be so glad if they finally add it now just because it will stop people from asking for it :o
In every second thread someone brings this up as if it's such a big, horrible issue x.x
Well, I assume some people are equally annoyed about my eternal fight for a glamour catalouge...:rolleyes:
And will be so glad when people finally shut up about it!....oh wait, that will probably never happen -.-

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Because never in any Final Fantasy installment has Summoner's spell repertoire been just three summons. Summoners have never been reduced to summoning a melee, caster and tank summon. If this were any other Final Fantasy, Summoners would have learned other summons as they leveled up, however, due to balancing issues that is not possible. That is why Summoners want glamours. Excluding the fact it was promised to us, which has been stated 5,971 times.

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Originally Posted by Chessala

Problem is, they won't stop asking =/
As soon as one is released, you will be able to see threads asking for the next etc. I like playing my smn but honestly, I hardly see my egi anyway so I couldn't care less what it looks like....

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This post alone states what an identity crisis XIV's Summoner has. "I'm a Summoner and I hardly notice my summon". Really?! It's deplorable.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

MCH that his drone does not have a wide variety of different appearances...

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Just to point out, while I've never seen a MCH complain about the appearances of their drones, I have seen the occasional wish that the Tech-Pack said drones are deployed from had different skins to match different guns. Not often said, but I've seen it come up once or twice.

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Originally Posted by Amariel34

I must be one of the few summoners that just doesn't care about egi glamour. I don't mind them the way they are.

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I don't play summoner but even I know you're a minority.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderThorolund

I don't play summoner but even I know you're a minority.

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Guess I am in the minority as well ^^

I don't mind the look of the egis as they are now. I'm NOT against being able to use carby as a glamour though, hes kind of cute even though he humps the ground like a dog in heat ...yeah he does -.-

If the option is there I will use him once in a while.

Egi glamours will never look as good as the ffxi smn so it really doesn't matter what I have at my side at the end of the day, but for those that are really into it, I'm glad they are slowly implementing them!

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Originally Posted by lunar_seraphim

This post alone states what an identity crisis XIV's Summoner has. "I'm a Summoner and I hardly notice my summon". Really?! It's deplorable.

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I main whm, smn is just an extra that is nice to play occasionally. Still doesn't beat whm for me. Sorry I don't identify with a perma dot behind me :)

I don't want glamour because it just doesn't solve anything. the problem is glamour isn't going make the summoner pet better nor is going make pet stronger with stay in balance. glamour isn't what Summoner need it need progress for summoner pet.
I head for second hand Yoshi P doesn't like pet jobs if this true then Yoshi P must strive overcome his bias yes it hard balance the pet jobs and in stats i admit this but Challange is to do pet jobs to one best of one ability. look Glamour just band-aid to cover up one mistake when summoner first came out. one come up with a data sheet on different pet jobs and how different mmo have tried deal with them. I sorry i am change subject again. but i have my opinion on glamour Egi too.


As i said the important thing is solution to improve summoner with tried stay in balance of dps that summoner generate not glamour spell on it. level progress for summoner what will that look like as i said before glamour stall progress for summoner. look i know summoner will never be ffxi summoner it shouldn't tried be. i admit i had my doubt about summmoner and scholar they should been two seperate jobs and class when 2.0 came out. we all make mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Atoli

I don't see SCH complaining that he doesn't have 15 different fairy looks,

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I personally would *love* to flip my faeries back into carbuncles. I'm just not outspoken about it, because the current look doesn't negatively affect my gameplay in any way.

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Originally Posted by raela

I personally would *love* to flip my faeries back into carbuncles. I'm just not outspoken about it, because the current look doesn't negatively affect my gameplay in any way.

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That's probably because the design of the Fairies are just as good as the Carbuncles. The Egis on the other hand not so much. If there was something for the Fairies I would hope it was a color swap by players choice. A black and gold fairy would match very nicely with my Glamour.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I don't want glamour because it just doesn't solve anything. the problem is glamour isn't going make the summoner pet better nor is going make pet stronger with stay in balance....

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you realize that the pet is about 30% of your dps? and for the one that ask for a more pet class, i did play pure pet class, is boring as hell, when the pet die (what happend countless time when you are a pure pet class) it's a pain, in the end you are not a master of a pet class.... you are the pet ! what they have done is not perfect, but they are fitting to this world summoner, you don't like it, it's a shame. but i feel what they have done with the trance is amazing and if they go farer we gonna get some really interesting point. but some are soo much fixated on solo game version...

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

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What I recall wasn't that Yoshi-P dislikes pet jobs, it was that he and the rest of the team opted to take the direction of pulling emphasis off the pet and onto the player.

So, we got Dreadwyrm Trance instead of more pet skills. Now, Dreadwyrm is a really fun mechanic, but I think most SMN players agree that we want 4.0 to put some love into the pets.

Considering the 20 or so quality of life changes for really random and minor things in this patch, I'm confident they hear our desires to make summoner feel like a real pet job.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

you realize that the pet is about 30% of your dps? and for the one that ask for a more pet class, i did play pure pet class, is boring as hell, when the pet die (what happend countless time when you are a pure pet class) it's a pain, in the end you are not a master of a pet class.... you are the pet ! what they have done is not perfect, but they are fitting to this world summoner, you don't like it, it's a shame. but i feel what they have done with the trance is amazing and if they go farer we gonna get some really interesting point. but some are soo much fixated on solo game version...

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What you disliked about that class is easily fixable mechanically. (Would even fit the lore far better than the current EGi's)
I cant help the feeling of "weakness" from reliance on a pet though, that would be ur own perception then. (Not that lore couldnt easily change that too)

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If you can call it that), but I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. It will change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

30% doesn't sound that bad i think you should about 50/50. i not called pet does everything or focus solo on pet more hybrid pet job focus on 50/50 ratio focus. that what I like see focus be on both pet and player.

i hoping to see that summoner get each a new summonable Egi such Shiva and Ramuh we horrible behind that Prime in are Egis. it cool kind if you kind if your quest with summoner with Shiva involve white hair elvaan rebal. smirk

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Originally Posted by Cidel

EDIT: Oh, in hindsight re-reading you meant new pet designs of existing egis? Still asking for too much.

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Yeah too much, nothing a game like FFXIV in the year 2016 can handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaFZ5lidx3k

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Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon

What you disliked about that class is easily fixable mechanically. (Would even fit the lore far better than the current EGi's)
I cant help the feeling of "weakness" from reliance on a pet though, that would be ur own perception then. (Not that lore couldnt easily change that too)

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the moment the pet become the main actor of your jobs, is a sad reality... you become the pet, since you are not the damage nor the main part of the class, you are only there for help the pet to do the jobs. you are not a master, you are the pet. i was playing metaphysic in AO we had 3 pet (when i was playing) and we was dealing almost nothing as damage personally, most of our skill was to help the pet. but in the end... we dobecome the pet of the pet. that a sad truth about pet class.

and even if you make that your skill work like an order, is not different than you casting spell, it will not make you more a summoner. same if you make a summoner like in the solo game, it will not be not different than a black mage with a glamour of summoner. the only difference will be the animation.... in the gameplay you will be a caster throwing spell dealing direct damage.

them approach is interesting (i talk of the trance) if they work more on it, it can turn the summoner into something nice. but i feel the complain of the.... pet class people need to tune down since honestly a true pet class is boring and far to be interesting, since you will be dependant of many more factor, like the pathfinding, the ia of the pet and such.

let wait to see what will become the summoner in the 4.0 and see what they will do with the trance.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Yeah too much, nothing a game like FFXIV in the year 2016 can handle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaFZ5lidx3k

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you realize that some summoning of FF11 was totally useless or barely usefull? plus they have said that most of them concern was about too many egi at the same place will make some "machine" have trouble without lag.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If call it that), I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. well change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

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Because we already have an Egi for each role. Additional Egis with different abilities would be redundant and potentially difficult to balance. The only function missing is crowd control abilities, but the necessity for those in XIV is almost non-existent.

New Egis wouldn't really add anything new besides potentially being able to use your favorite primal's Egi, which is an appearance issue not a mechanics issue. Glamour addresses that last concern by allowing you to use the appearance of your choice to first the necessary Egi role.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

the moment the pet become the main actor of your jobs, is a sad reality... you become the pet, since you are not the damage nor the main part of the class, you are only there for help the pet to do the jobs. you are not a master, you are the pet. i was playing metaphysic in AO we had 3 pet (when i was playing) and we was dealing almost nothing as damage personally, most of our skill was to help the pet. but in the end... we dobecome the pet of the pet. that a sad truth about pet class.

and even if you make that your skill work like an order, is not different than you casting spell, it will not make you more a summoner. same if you make a summoner like in the solo game, it will not be not different than a black mage with a glamour of summoner. the only difference will be the animation.... in the gameplay you will be a caster throwing spell dealing direct damage.

them approach is interesting (i talk of the trance) if they work more on it, it can turn the summoner into something nice. but i feel the complain of the.... pet class people need to tune down since honestly a true pet class is boring and far to be interesting, since you will be dependant of many more factor, like the pathfinding, the ia of the pet and such.

let wait to see what will become the summoner in the 4.0 and see what they will do with the trance.

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Again, that's your perception.
As a Dark Knight, let me remove all my gear, and equip some Lv1 Great Sword.

I'm useless at endgame. I do a fraction of my damage, I'm clearly the pet to my gear. It is the true master!

You are the puppeteer.
W/o you, there is no show, pet class or not.

Though, the simple solution to this, and for those who dont like to perceive the power coming fromt he pets, is just like the trance example. You, yourself, gain the power of the primal itself, but you make a personification of that primal, to help channel it. Essentially it would play out the same way, using a "pet", but Lore wise, the power is all you, and there is no actual living pet there, just a magical puppet looking like a being.
It's like a Black Mage casting Fire, but that fire has a bodily shape to it.

Like I said, some changes to how the pets work, and the problems with relying on a pet, that make it "annoying" can be fixed, if they are willing to do the work.
(But at this point, it would be another slap in the face, to take the current play style of SMN and remove it from those who enjoy it. Already bad enough how much some jobs changed with 3.0)

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Because we already have an Egi for each role. Additional Egis with different abilities would be redundant and potentially difficult to balance. The only function missing is crowd control abilities, but the necessity for those in XIV is almost non-existent.

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We already have a CC pet, as Titan not only fills that role, it does it better than just about any other CC at endgame PvE.
But it's just not viable at all as CC in PvP. (and since SMN has its own CC, it would be useless anyways)

Where as sleep/bind/gravity from WHM/BLM is unable to effect bosses on the hardest PvE content.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

you realize that some summoning of FF11 was totally useless or barely usefull? plus they have said that most of them concern was about too many egi at the same place will make some "machine" have trouble without lag.

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Do you realize we are talking about design and models here? what they were used for, as or why, how they played or whoever used them or not, how many they were, and whatever doesn't matter absolutely at all.

Neither i think egis should look THAT big and be THAT detailed, but they deserve much better treatment of what we have now. Even primal minios are better detailed and would be hundred of times better than the actual egis are.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Do you realize we are talking about design and models here? what they were used for, as or why, how they played or whoever used them or not, how many they were, and whatever doesn't matter absolutely at all.

Neither i think egis should look THAT big and be THAT detailed, but they deserve much better treatment of what we have now. Even primal minios are better detailed and would be hundred of times better than the actual egis are.

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i'm only saying what they have said for explain the current egi, that it will be a bother to have this big egi and will cause lag/framerate trouble.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If you can call it that), but I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. It will change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

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Yep, i don't get why everyone make it sound as if these egis glamours would be such massive game changer that they MUST be added yesterday...


But hey, to each their own... I guess, right?

It's not game changer, they just ask it since...forever.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

Yep, i don't get why everyone make it sound as if these egis glamours would be such massive game changer that they MUST be added yesterday...


But hey, to each their own... I guess, right?

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Well think about it like this. It's either this pet glamour or nothing, because the devs don't want to do anything to the pets outside of buff/debuffing them. I even doubt that they are going to add new abilities to the pets.

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Originally Posted by Jadub2k

Ugh.. I don't mean to be rude to those who play & that like SMN (If you can call it that), but I can't help but cringe at the fact that people are happy for glams instead of actually Egi's. It will change there looks and special effects but the abilities will be the exact same.. *sigh*

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Because the devs have already said they're never going to add new egis.

So, we can either whine about that forever, and they will never do anything about it, or we can be happy they are acquiescing to at least a cosmetic variation for the egis that we do have.

Maybe they will notice the continued discontent with "Summoner", and maybe someday they will make it feel more satisfying for that title, but for now I'm happy with something over nothing.

Bring on Egi gleams!!!

Glams!!!!!*

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Originally Posted by Bigcat9715

Well think about it like this. It's either this pet glamour or nothing, because the devs don't want to do anything to the pets outside of buff/debuffing them. I even doubt that they are going to add new abilities to the pets.

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I would be fine with nothing because it means that instead of allocating ressources to make the egi glamours, they could use them to try to circumvent that " new egis would be too hard to balance" issue which would surely be much better than still having the same 3 for the rest of the game lifespan.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

I would be fine with nothing because it means that instead of allocating ressources to make the egi glamours, they could use them to try to circumvent that " new egis would be too hard to balance" issue which would surely be much better than still having the same 3 for the rest of the game lifespan.

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Except that it would likely be two entirely different teams handling such things. Not getting one thing doesn't automatically mean we get something else.

Wow, some people decided that this thread giving some hope for variety of our egis via glamour would be a perfect place to set up their little soapboxes to tell people to stop being excited or never be excited until SMN pets meet their unrealistic expectations because they disagree with how the devs should be designing their own game.

Wanting "more detailed egis" is fine and all, we all do. But what a lot of us also want is variety, especially this far into SMN's lifespan in XIV. Yes, egi glamour technically isn't anything new in the way of gameplay, but most of us understand that egi glamour is the compromise the devs have been willing to make so that SMNs have some semblance of variety of summons that Summoners have across the Final Fantasy series; especially since we have primals like Shiva, Leviathan, and Ramuh starring us right in the face.

To the people thumbing their noses at those relieved to finally see something, anything about the egi glamours instead of redone/redesigned egis; you're a lot like those people on these forums that are known to snub FFXIV constantly while preaching "you all could've had FFXI-2, but are content with this instead..."

To the people who feel like chiming in with their "ugh, this again? Stop asking for egi glamours! Waste of resources!" mentalities- Personally, I'm tired of people asking for Vierra as a new race. I'm tired of housing threads. I'm tired of unrealistic mount and single-job glamour perk threads. I'm tired of some harcore raiders claiming their demographic will single-handedly carry the population or something and I'm tired of the Feast PvP drama threads, amongst many, many others. Yet for the most part I don't feel the need to drop in those threads and tell everyone they are wrong for asking and that everything they are asking for is a waste of "resources." So instead of adding literally nothing at all to this thread, consider that the devs more or less promised SMNs egi glamours of the other summons (and Carbuncle) after they pulled the rug from underneath SMNs about not getting new egis in 3.0 like initially quoted, and players happen to like an update on the progress of it every once in a while, unlike some other things on these forums that get asked over-and-over with no positive dev input *cough*Vierra*cough*