Only 1536 apartments per server?

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

let me spell it out, in more blunt terms. Housing was added later on, and its safe to say it was meant to be a limited commodity. If you cant get a house because of your server choices, you traded privileges, you traded faster Q times for no housing space. Your choice, not SE's. Don't blame them for a choice you made.

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Which would be BS. Why make a feature so many want in this game be limited? Again, this is not soley a Balmung/Gilgamesh issue. A lot of servers have this problem.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

let me spell it out, in more blunt terms. Housing was added later on, and its safe to say it was meant to be a limited commodity. If you cant get a house because of your server choices, you traded privileges, you traded faster Q times for no housing space. Your choice, not SE's. Don't blame them for a choice you made.

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Basically "Heck with you, got mine."

I am sure I seen that nonsense argument before last time there was a housing fiasco blowout and as others have said, it is NOT the player's fault for being on Balmung or Gilgamesh before housing was a thing and before anyone knew what housing was gonna be like. It's extremely condescending to blame players for simply being on the "wrong" server at the wrong time and I don't want to hear a backhanded apology either cause I know that is gonna come up. The devs should be banging on corporate's doors demanding more funds so they can have better servers and more instances so we don't have to deal with limitations this and limitations that.


What's going to happen, just like with the extra wards before it, people are going to eat it up once the servers go live, people will flip apartments for prices that would make the Syndicate blush, and we'll have people chiming in to chide people on how it's their fault they were on an overpopulated server or how they should have logged in 5 minutes faster before the previous guy, RL obligations getting in the way or not.

See you next month! And before anyone assumes wrongly, I do have a house with a FC, but I can still understand and sympathize the frustrations of the housing system that's only been getting band-aid fixes.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

This is all I have to say if people try to sell instanced apartments, cause you know it most likely be the same way at FC room.
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/a2/a2e2c...3f37539d0d.jpg

and anyone that actually gives possibly millions a gil to a player to give up their instanced space
http://i.stack.imgur.com/jiFfM.jpg

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I'll see your faceplam and raise you this:

http://media.moddb.com/images/member...l_Facepalm.jpg


It seems like there a version of Mog houses, but for sure.. if your not up like in the VERY early morning (1-6 AM)and possibly lose sleep resulting in suffering for the rest of the day @ work lol, your not getting one. People are not understanding, this problem is happening on all servers. A lot of people missed the part where the devs said "all houses sold in 10-15 mins". That's ALL Servers

So... did they actually say they were only going to have 1536 apartments per district per server? Or is this just a number people randomly generated? I didn't get to watch the live letter.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Isn't that because everybody keeps moving to the high pop servers? Admittedly SE doesn't really do enough to stop it, but, if players actually spread out over more servers, less of them would feel dead, more of them would be satisfied with housing, and literally everyone benefits. High pops get less congested, low pops get a little more life. It's win freakin win.

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I absolutely agree with you, actually. There just seems to be a vicious cycle of people starting on low pop servers, not meeting people (for whatever reason), and transferring to where more people are. I feel like SE needs to do something to make these servers more enticing to new and current players. Like you said, it'd be win win. More houses would become available, and when new players want to join friends on high pop servers, they can actually make a character there lol.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

typical English forums , SE gives us apartments and more rooms , and people complain in the first post about it again :P its not even known how many apartments there will be :P

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it's already well known how many houses there's going to be. LL/Gridania/Ul'dah are all getting 1 building each with 512 rooms.

https://youtu.be/VNvfFxPM2Mw?t=9m29s

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Originally Posted by AnaviAnael

Which would be BS. Why make a feature so many want in this game be limited?

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Moreover, why constantly increase housing opportunities with more wards, even more wards and the apartments when it's supposed to be limited anyway? If it truly was meant to be limited, there would be no point. It is only logical to assume it is not, in fact, meant to be limited. And that in turn would explain why we get housing stuff thrown at us at events.

Instead of playing WoW they should have played LOTRO. In LOTRO you get entire neighborhoods with NPCs merchants and the bank, and trees, falls, mountains, fountains, etc. entirely instanced. Exactly like we have here, and whenever one instance is full (all the houses are sold) in LOTRO another one is created automatically.

And as for WoW, Blizzard copied Asheron Call 2 for their game, one of Turbine's MMOs. Which has always bugged me when I played LOTRO players who played WoW often said "this looks like WoW" when it was WoW that looked LOTRO.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

typical English forums , SE gives us apartments and more rooms , and people complain in the first post about it again :P its not even known how many apartments there will be :P

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Like we didnt knew about the sorry track record of XIV housing systems.

From the creators of:
"Launch: Our server info tells us that population has average 30 million gil when you do the math along the bots and RMTs"
"fix 1: more houses doesnt do it"
"fix 2: so inverting the maps still doesnt do it"
"fix 3: Holy shit house owners are actually active and our solution went to shit in just 1 reset so we had to remove it cause it was a bad idea from the start"
we bring you "Fix 4: What do you mean there is more than 5k players on our servers?"

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

let me spell it out, in more blunt terms. Housing was added later on, and its safe to say it was meant to be a limited commodity. If you cant get a house because of your server choices, you traded privileges, you traded faster Q times for no housing space. Your choice, not SE's. Don't blame them for a choice you made.

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taking the numbers from the inofficial census... the average server has 5-8k active people, the smallest 4k. there is NO server wich is small enough so everyone can have a house...

Price you pay for being on Balmung tbh.

Though I really don't see how an 'apartment' is any different than an FC room...which is limitless. I guess because you'll have neighbors this time?

*shrug*

suck it up

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

let me spell it out, in more blunt terms.

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No let me spell it out for you in more blunt terms.

Square Enix has bungled the housing situation from the very start. The second they gave individual players the ability to purchase company housing plots. Every single thing they have done from then has been trying to put band-aids on a burgeoning system they have no chances to control or provide for players as with their original promises. They continue to put these stop-gap measures into place when they should be swallowing the hard pill and admitting they goofed and need to rework the whole system from the ground up.

But they wont, they have no incentive to fix the system properly when they can continue to mangle the current system.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

No let me spell it out for you in more blunt terms.

Square Enix has bungled the housing situation from the very start. The second they gave individual players the ability to purchase company housing plots. Every single thing they have done from then has been trying to put band-aids on a burgeoning system they have no chances to control or provide for players as with their original promises. They continue to put these stop-gap measures into place when they should be swallowing the hard pill and admitting they goofed and need to rework the whole system from the ground up.

But they wont, they have no incentive to fix the system properly when they can continue to mangle the current system.

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If you think the mistake began with the Personal Housing system, you're sorely mistaken.

The problem is STARTING with a public instancing system on an infrastructure that could not support four times as many players as they initially anticipated. Everything else has been bandaids since then.

They should have started with the apartment system, then moved onto FC and Private housing, but Yoshida was married to a promise that was made back in 1.xx - and instead of abandoning it, he developed himself into a corner he's not getting out of for another three years.

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Originally Posted by Tint

taking the numbers from the inofficial census... the average server has 5-8k active people, the smallest 4k. there is NO server wich is small enough so everyone can have a house...

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Well, I'll bet if you make an alt on Zalera, and go to the housing district, goblet Ward 11 has only 7 houses in it, and ward 12(I live in ward 12) has 3. That's a lot of open, unsold lots. There is spotted housing still open in the new wards in LB and mist. Sooooo you explain that one, Housing isn't a problem on every server :p

Can you own a house and apartment at the same damn time?

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Originally Posted by Derio

Can you own a house and apartment at the same damn time?

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Gotta wait for the 2nd part of that live letter and hope that someone answers that question. As it stands right now, there's no official statement about the requirements or restrictions of the apartments. But I would assume that if you own a house that you can not own a apartment, on the other hand, SE made a lot of questionable decisions and it wouldn't surprise me if at the end of the day, people could own both. We just have to wait I guess.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

Price you pay for being on Balmung tbh.

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Am I the only person who could only go on 4 (I think) servers when 2.0 came out who finds this statement rude?

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

They should have started with the apartment system.

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Having physical housing for companies makes sense, personal player housing obviously didn't. They from day 1 stated that personal housing would (Obviously) be a totally seperate system, the lazy decision to flip the ownership switch to individual players is what damned them from that day forward.

If they continued to develop the personal housing system as a separate system that could accommodate all players they wouldn't be in this mess. Wether they did it first or last isn't the issue, it's the fact they got lazy and just decided to repurpose the current FC housing system.

I am a bit confused as to how can people defend SE on this when other games with 1/1000 of FFXIV´s budget and profit produce much better, completely free, and available for all housing systems.
PSO2, the game that often crossovers FFIXV, is one of them...

In that game i have a four room apartment with a built in shop and a crafting station other players can come visit, purchase from, and even order crafting recipes that i can make for them in exchange for a pre-arranged fee.

And it´s free to play...

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Originally Posted by Brian_

So everyone transfers and creates a grossly overpopulated server.

Then they cry that there aren't enough limited resources to go around.

Maybe you should've realized that there are pros and cons to being on a populated server?

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First of all, I didn't transfer to Balmung. I played 1.0, and Balmung is the server they tossed me on come 2.0.

Second of all, I'm not going to ditch my friends and family, that play on my server and a lot of them are 1.0 vets as well, just to bandaid fix a broken housing system.

Maybe YOU should've realized not everyone on Balmung are transfers or people who came here because it was a large community.

Why can't people just be happy. Poor SE always having people rain down on their new content. It could be 3000 and you'd still have people on balmung complaining.. just can't escape it.

I don't understand why there is another thread about this. When there was a thread made about apartments just the other day. I said there and I will say it again. SE really did mess up on the houseing system like everyone else has said.

We ether should of got free mog house like in FFXI. But they should of just been upgraded so they had a garden and a stable as well. House's should of been for FC. In my honest opinion these apartments should be free and everyone should get one. That would shovel the problem with people that already own a house trying to buy an apartment. I don't understand why anyone who has a house would want an apartment. Since with a house you get a garden.

I've been wanting a house for time I live on the Odin server and it piss me of that on every ward I see so many names on the list in red.

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Originally Posted by Morzy

Why can't people just be happy. Poor SE always having people rain down on their new content. It could be 3000 and you'd still have people on balmung complaining.. just can't escape it.

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Why should we be happy?

They completely f.u.c.k.ed up the housing system and instead of fixing it they keep making it worse.

I wonder what people on the Japanese forums are saying does anyone know?

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Originally Posted by Lulu89

Easy fix..join a FC..Buy a room...DONE! And there only 300k. ... Not 500k -_-

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Except that 300k room and any destructible furniture can disappear at the whim of anyone in the FC that can kick people.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

instead of fixing it they keep making it worse.

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How exactly is it making it worse by making apartments available?
Do you want them to remove the wards and all and just make it all instanced?
Or would you rather see a gradual introduction of apartment system that seems to be more flexible and extensible?
It may not be a complete solution right away, but this is a solution that keeps existing stuff and adds new rather than get rid of the old first.

You can see why SE prolongs activity on housing with so many resources dumped into making 1356 apartments X worlds to get a reply saying 'Only 1536 apartments per server'.

If I was the company, I know I wouldn't bother with future updates on it when players don't appreciate the effort.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

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Thank you for not posting the whole sentence /s

I posted this in the thread already so I will repost it in my replay to you.



We ether should of got free mog house like in FFXI. But they should of just been upgraded so they had a garden and a stable as well. House's should of been for FC. In my honest opinion these apartments should be free and everyone should get one. That would shovel the problem with people that already own a house trying to buy an apartment. I don't understand why anyone who has a house would want an apartment. Since with a house you get a garden.


The only way the apartments are going to work, like other people have stated, is if people that own a house can not buy an apartment. If they do not implement this into the apartment system. It will be unfair for the people that been wanting a house since the housing system was including into the game and was never able to buy one.

Like I said before apartments should be free and ether they should be available to everyone or available to people that do not own a house.

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Originally Posted by birdy_reene

Well, I'll bet if you make an alt on Zalera, and go to the housing district, goblet Ward 11 has only 7 houses in it, and ward 12(I live in ward 12) has 3. That's a lot of open, unsold lots. There is spotted housing still open in the new wards in LB and mist. Sooooo you explain that one, Housing isn't a problem on every server :p

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RMT spam isn't a problem on every server, that doesn't mean I feel SE should ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Blackcanary

Thank you for not posting the whole sentence /s

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You were saying that they're making things worse, I asked specifically how what they're doing now is making things worse.
You're requesting an immediate fix and change to how housing works. That's not realistic unless you want to screw over existing house owners.
So... How exactly does apartments make things worse?

I'm not arguing about wether or not they should implement a larger "fix". I'm asking how the apartment system is making things worse than how it is now.
Did it ever occur to you that they may have more plans to extend apartments even more? Since it seems to be way more flexible than what we have already.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

I'm not arguing about wether or not they should implement a larger "fix".

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While not making the problem worse, they are further entrenching themselves in this flawed system instead of admitting they need a real fix if they are to do their best for all players.

So the longer they hold on to the crummy system they have the more chance we have of never seeing a proper fix and the housing system becoming a black mark on the game itself. They can't even really do anything interesting with housing, because anything they do is damning players unlucky enough to not have a house.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

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I didn't say the apartments are making things worse though. I said the housing system which means the housing system we already have. Since we do not have apartments yet. Apartments are not included in that statement.

Now say we did have apartments. Yoshida Naoki san does not make it so people who already own a house can not buy an apartment that is one why of making the Apartment system worse.

Like i said before Apartments should be free and available to all players. If they really truly can not do that. Then People that have houses should be locked out of being able to buy apartments.

People, please stop spreading the panic of 1536 apartments per server, that is not what they said. They said it's 512 apartments per building, and then at the live letter showed the big buildings that are in each housing ward. It's not some random building in the city, it's in an instanced ward and subward areas. Which means there will be 24 buildings per city, not just one building per city.

The buildings in question:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3831797

So, the 1536 number is not correct. The more correct number is over 36k, as they said they wanted everyone to be able to purchase an apartment.

So its basicly a FC room?

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Originally Posted by Aronys

People, please stop spreading the panic of 1536 apartments per server, that is not what they said. They said it's 512 apartments per building, and then at the live letter showed the big buildings that are in each housing ward. It's not some random building in the city, it's in an instanced ward and subward areas. Which means there will be 24 buildings per city, not just one building per city.

The buildings in question:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3831797

So, the 1536 number is not correct. The more correct number is over 36k, as they said they wanted everyone to be able to purchase an apartment.

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That is amazing someone should inform mr happy.

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Originally Posted by Tint

taking the numbers from the inofficial census... the average server has 5-8k active people, the smallest 4k. there is NO server wich is small enough so everyone can have a house...

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This isn't exactly true, because not everyone wants a house, and not everyone can afford a house. My bf is on Typhon, and even BEFORE they added more housing wards, there were plenty of housing plots free. When they added the extra ones, they were almost completely empty. Even now they're still mostly empty, I think.

Yeah, it's one of the smaller servers, but there are plenty of servers that still have housing available.

It's unfortunate for Balmung, but that's a really unusual case. Most servers already have enough, and I assume they're considering all servers and not just the outliers.

i kinda hope they prohibit you from owning an apartment and a plot of land.

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Originally Posted by Ametrine

I'm in a great FC, and guess what?
We don't have a house since there hasn't been an open plot for us to buy on Lamia in months.

Apartments were our latest chance at housing...

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So buy a house....

Edit: dam I have to spell it out for you guys.. There are other ways to buy a house, and players do it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Dustytome

Except that 300k room and any destructible furniture can disappear at the whim of anyone in the FC that can kick people.

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So don't be a asshat and get kick out of the FC, or better yet... Don't buy a room in a FC if your just going to fight with them O.o and get kicked out.

Not every FC is bad, take your time and find a FC that fit you as a player befor buying one. I don't get what so hard about that?!?!

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Originally Posted by Lulu89

So buy a house....

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...Reading is hard, I guess.