Will we ever be able to add our alts on same account to each other's Friend List?

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Actually $15 pretty standard sub rate as WoW is also $15 a month so you not really paying extra for any alts, I would actually view it as they giving a person a discount if they decide to only use one character not charging you more for extra characters. XI is where it actually charged you for extra characters.

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Furthermore, that $15/month subscription is what SE calls the "Standard" and they "allow 8 characters per world." The "Entry" sub is $2 less and allows the one character. It seems the "standard" is that alts are the expectation, which makes it baffling why we can't mail our alts. That's from the Mog Station, by the way.

Anti-RMT excuse? Yeah, that really puts the pressure on those dirty RMT'ers, which is why we're assaulted by fresh tells after every wave of banning. If this really hurt RMT, we wouldn't see contradictory evidence every other week or more. We're denied a feature that would aid the "standard" MMO playstyle because it hinders RMT? I disbelieve, and my blacklist and the number of RMT support tickets support that disbelief.

It's not hurting RMT, it's hurting us. And as to the argument that it's going to cut down on retainer subs? Possibly. There are, however, a lot of us out there who do purchase extra retainers not just for the space, but also for the ventures. Some of us want those retainers running around to get us stuff. Some of us just hoard stuff, especially gear, and we're loathe to give it up. But we also want an easier time of it on our alts, which are usually there to be a diversion from our mains. Why do they need to be completely cut off from one another?

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Originally Posted by Ersilon

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I concur. In the meanwhile, I'm hoping that next time the servers crash it's while I'm logged I'll be able to sign in simultaneously so I can add my two characters as friends.

Let's try to help out the devs and think of ways that'll allow us to add alts to friends list, like some kind of security checks or something
- Been playing X amount of hours for each character
- Reached certain point of main story
- Subbed for X amount of time

I also notice that RMT already use FCs for their shenanigans. When you think about it it's much easier than the cumbersome mailing of Gil (can only do 1 mil at a time). How come FC chests aren't blocked from regular players then?

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Originally Posted by Lexia

Actually $15 pretty standard sub rate as WoW is also $15 a month so you not really paying extra for any alts, I would actually view it as they giving a person a discount if they decide to only use one character not charging you more for extra characters. XI is where it actually charged you for extra characters.

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With wow, you can get up to 60 characters I believe, 12 per server since DH is coming out next month and no server lockouts. XI you paid a base of 13 + 1 per character, all of which could attain maximum space if you gained the access, plus being able to mail.

People can defend why we didn't get a retainer this expansion all they want, but it still leaves a bad taste in my mouth when they announce the expansion followed by "Hey, you can buy 6 more retainers now!" instead of "Hey, you get a 3rd retainer upon reaching Ishgard, cause you know, we've added more gear and stuff so it makes sense."

I thought about this for a second. If my characters could've been added as friends I could've shared a house with my alt. But since I couldn't do that I bought a medium house on my alt. But I still haven't gotten around to furnishing it.

Would be nice if I could add my main as a tenant as he's the crafter and could furnish it. Instead of cumbersomely depositing and withdrawing from the FC chest.

Oh. I keep on forgetting to make a thread on the Japanase forum. Then it would be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Oh. I keep on forgetting to make a thread on the Japanase forum. Then it would be addressed.

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Normally, I would say that. But since this idea cuts into retainer subs, you're better off trying to explain how it wont....since it obviously will. And since it will....then it wont happen.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

But since this idea cuts into retainer subs, ...

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Except that it doesn't. Friending your alts would have two effects: you'd be able to share a house, and you'd be able to send stuff to them through mogmail. Sharing a house would clearly help SE who has some difficulty in expanding housing enough for everyone. Sending items through mail doesn't change anything about retainers, since we can already pass stuff through the FC chest, or sell to ourselves through the MB.

People who claim it would affect retainers seem to think it would be used for mule alts, but all it does is take what's currently possible but awkward and make it still possible but awkward. There's NO CHANGE in that. People want mail access to pass items to the character who would use the item, not to shuffle them off to where they aren't as accessible.

Oh, plus there's the fact that this was an issue before paid retainers even existed. That's proof enough that the rule isn't about them.

SE has already told us that the reason we can only send mail to friends is to cut down on RMT. I certainly wouldn't want every spambot to be able to flood my mailbox with their garbage, so to that extent it's a good thing. But the rule simply doesn't make sense for the specific case of alts on our own account. Nobody's going to be spamming themselves or buying gil from themselves. It's perfectly reasonable to make it an exception to the rule since it's already an exception to the reason for the rule to exist.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

I concur. In the meanwhile, I'm hoping that next time the servers crash it's while I'm logged I'll be able to sign in simultaneously so I can add my two characters as friends.

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Fixed that a long time ago.

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

Fixed that a long time ago.

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Well praise SE for making sure they stay behind other MMOs in terms of basic utility.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Except that it doesn't. Friending your alts would have two effects: you'd be able to share a house, and you'd be able to send stuff to them through mogmail. Sharing a house would clearly help SE who has some difficulty in expanding housing enough for everyone. Sending items through mail doesn't change anything about retainers, since we can already pass stuff through the FC chest, or sell to ourselves through the MB.

People who claim it would affect retainers seem to think it would be used for mule alts, but all it does is take what's currently possible but awkward and make it still possible but awkward. There's NO CHANGE in that. People want mail access to pass items to the character who would use the item, not to shuffle them off to where they aren't as accessible.

Oh, plus there's the fact that this was an issue before paid retainers even existed. That's proof enough that the rule isn't about them...

SE has already told us that the reason we can only send mail to friends is to cut down on RMT. I certainly wouldn't want every spambot to be able to flood my mailbox with their garbage, so to that extent it's a good thing. But the rule simply doesn't make sense for the specific case of alts on our own account. Nobody's going to be spamming themselves or buying gil from themselves. It's perfectly reasonable to make it an exception to the rule since it's already an exception to the reason for the rule to exist.

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Also this!!!

I like how this current Yokai event is like a huge middle finger to those that play with Alts. Instead of 1000 fates, I'll have to do 2000.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

I like how this current Yokai event is like a huge middle finger to those that play with Alts. Instead of 1000 fates, I'll have to do 2000.

Thanks.

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Why having alts in a game that allows you to do everything with the same toon ? ^^"

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Any chance they might have changed their minds on this disappeared when they introduced the extra paid-for retainers

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alts don't get access to the other retainers. If they are so concerned about the retainer income, they can make it if you have all 6 extra, you get your alts added to your friend list automatically. Then it's a selling point.
It's certainly nothing to do with RMT if it happens under the same account.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Why having alts in a game that allows you to do everything with the same toon ? ^^"

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try gearing them all at the same time so that you can switch forth and back a couple times a day. We are talking endgame gear here, not green/whites from expert dungeons. Tell me how that works out for ya :d

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Originally Posted by LunaFaye

try gearing them all at the same time so that you can switch forth and back a couple times a day. We are talking endgame gear here, not green/whites from expert dungeons. Tell me how that works out for ya :d

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The Yokai Watch weapons are anything but endgame gear.

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Originally Posted by Pells

The Yokai Watch weapons are anything but endgame gear.

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and who mentioned yokai watch weapons? right nobody. point is, it's easier and faster to make some alts and gear them via savage or just lore tokens, than trying that on one character. But let's take your example, it's also easier and faster to do the yokai watch weapons on different characters, because the first weapon is only 7 legacy tokens.

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Originally Posted by Celef

Why having alts in a game that allows you to do everything with the same toon ? ^^"

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I got asked this when I joined a FC with six alts. :P For me personally it's a couple of things. I'm just used to it, for one. Another is that I'm the type of person that just CANNOT stick to one appearance. With so many options it's hard to choose just one. And rather than pay tons of money for Fantasias, it's easier to make alts. And since I'm so used to it it's nothing really hard for me to do. :)

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Originally Posted by Jacien

I like how this current Yokai event is like a huge middle finger to those that play with Alts. Instead of 1000 fates, I'll have to do 2000.

Thanks.

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Gosh yeah, I'd be fine doing a 1000 Fates if it meant I was done with it on my alts too, but like doing it all over and over is just absolutely hell.

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Originally Posted by Celef

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Originally Posted by Amariel34

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To answer Celef and response to Amariel, I jive pretty well with her opinions. I also like roleplaying, and rather than use a fantasia and spend 30 bucks to play a "new character" an alt works well enough. I wish the game wasn't so alt unfriendly though. I've also got personal reasons as I wanna try to get two Roegadyn alts to level 60 as I feel kinda guilty having only a Miqo'te at 60 for when the census roles around.

This should have been default from day 1.
Mind boggling it is still so restrictive smh

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Originally Posted by Celef

Why having alts in a game that allows you to do everything with the same toon ? ^^"

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Gender locked glamour, role playing, ability to get double the items for endgame (whether Savage or Mhachi Matter), and the fact that it's an option to begin with so why not?

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

This should have been default from day 1.
Mind boggling it is still so restrictive smh

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B-b-b-b-but RMT would be more powerful!

Meanwhile in every server:
http://puu.sh/onznV.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jacien

B-b-b-b-but RMT would be more powerful!

Meanwhile in every server:
http://puu.sh/onznV.jpg

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I guess to S-E.

#BotLivesMatter

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Meanwhile in every server:
http://puu.sh/onznV.jpg

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What is that?

A bunch of teleporting bots outside the zone.

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

What is that?

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The ultimate life form

Mitochondria Eve gestating.