Suggestion for 3.3 housing and alts

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Originally Posted by Aramina

I would agree with a delay if, and only if, they allow alts access to main's houses.

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I still can't understand why they didn't allow this to begin with. I have to wonder if SE assumed we wouldn't even bother with alts as we can't even mail to characters on our own account.

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Originally Posted by NaesakiAshwell

I still can't understand why they didn't allow this to begin with. I have to wonder if SE assumed we wouldn't even bother with alts as we can't even mail to characters on our own account.

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I assume this is the case. I really wish they would allow mailing to alts. I can still shuffle stuff around my alts via the FC chest so the restriction isn't really preventing anything.. just adding a layer of annoyance.

Let's be real.

1. One this will never happen because they will never allow atls to share things with main.
2. It's already too late because many had already done this and it won't be fair for those who want to do the same thing.
3. It is why the auto demolish was made for, so that houses que opening from time to time so that active players can get them.
4. Stop the crying, get the money and buy one when 3.3 goes live.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

As long as people can buy an FC house even if they have a personal, people can buy up to 8 extra houses.

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Only provided they first have an opportunity to buy seven Free Companies, or can convince tons of extra people to join each of their alts' FCs and level them up.

It's possible to level a one-person FC all the way up to rank 6, where housing is unlocked, but only with a character you're playing a lot. It isn't going to happen if you make separate one-person FCs for each of your lesser-played alts. Most of those alts aren't likely to have enough activity by themselves to rank up an FC (well, maybe after several years of occasional activity, but not in any sort of reasonable timeframe).

It's not like you create a one-person FC and can then just go buy a house with it. Rank 6 takes quite a while with just one person's activity to boost it with. And with only 1/8 of one person's activity, it'd take longer than most people will play an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It's possible to level a one-person FC all the way up to rank 6, where housing is unlocked, but only with a character you're playing a lot.

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Apparently you also "only" need to earn 86,000 free company points to take it from level 1 to 6. I say only in quotes because it's still not exactly a walk in the park, but someone in one of my linkshells is currently levelling a FC up, solo, for this purpose and in just over a week he's got it from 1 to rank 5. I'm not sure what methods he's using, but I suspect he'll have 6 before the weekend, so that's less than 2 weeks.

I suspect what a lot of multiple FC people are doing though is putting their main character in a new FC, just playing the game and when the FC hits 6, transfer ownership to an alt (which only needs to be a level 1 new character) and then create a new FC and start over.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

or can convince tons of extra people to join each of their alts' FCs

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One person with two accounts can do this quite easily (I think there's probably quite a few of us with multiple accounts for various reasons?). You just create the FC on one, and create a few alts on the other to join it. They don't have to stay in the FC, just sign it so it gets created.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

One person with two accounts can do this quite easily (I think there's probably quite a few of us with multiple accounts for various reasons?). You just create the FC on one, and create a few alts on the other to join it. They don't have to stay in the FC, just sign it so it gets created.

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I wasn't referring to creating the FC. That part is easy enough. The part you cut out of the quote "and level them up" is what I was referring to needing active players for. It takes a lot of activity by members of an FC before that FC is eligible to buy a house. Not many players will be able to solo that eight times over, to accomplish it for each of their available alts.

(And I'm not saying the conceptual possibility of leveling up eight different FCs by yourself doesn't exist. But if one player in a million does it, that's not going to impact housing much.)

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It's possible to level a one-person FC all the way up to rank 6, where housing is unlocked, but only with a character you're playing a lot. It isn't going to happen if you make separate one-person FCs for each of your lesser-played alts. Most of those alts aren't likely to have enough activity by themselves to rank up an FC (well, maybe after several years of occasional activity, but not in any sort of reasonable timeframe).

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I've done this before already in one day.

I made a joke about it before, but its kind of true. If they put a lock on Airships, so that you need at least say 4 people who log in once a week in the FC, your Airship is forced to stay in the docks. Same with the other Benefits, such as gardening. *rage incoming Q.Q*

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

I made a joke about it before, but its kind of true. If they put a lock on Airships, so that you need at least say 4 people who log in once a week in the FC, your Airship is forced to stay in the docks. Same with the other Benefits, such as gardening. *rage incoming Q.Q*

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You mean I need to get my friends' alts into the FC now? /sigh

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You mean I need to get my friends' alts into the FC now? /sigh

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Sure! 4 FC houses would require that each of you would need 4 alts, assuming your Main is in a real FC and that these Fcs are for storage/personal use. Thats 16 Alts if you each wanted an FC house. Not everyone is gonna go through that effort. Don't forget to have them log on each alt, at least once a week or you'll lose your privileges!

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Sure! 4 FC houses would require that each of you would need 4 alts, assuming your Main is in a real FC and that these Fcs are for storage/personal use. Thats 16 Alts if you each wanted an FC house. Not everyone is gonna go through that effort. Don't forget to have them log on each alt, at least once a week or you'll lose your privileges!

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Would just hurt small FCs more than it does people making alt FCs. But okay, sure. People making alt FCs are generally the more hardcore players, while small FCs are the more casual.

If your fc is so small as to not have 4 members (That's 3 members, not even enough to sign the FC documents, )bthen you should be sharing a personal house. Doing this sort of thing would limit most hardcore players from expanding past 1 personal, 1 FC. Not completely, but would exponentially slow them down.

I'm not completely serious about this, since the real issue is house flipping, but eventually personal use FCs might need addressed.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

If your fc is so small as to not have 4 members (That's 3 members, not even enough to sign the FC documents, )bthen you should be sharing a personal house.

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My FC was formed nearly 3 years ago by a group of friends from outside the game and we have 14 members. But over time most of our members have stopped playing and although some of them come back briefly from time to time, right now we only have 3 members who regularly play, and at this exact moment in the quiet period before 3.3 we only have 1 active player, me. We have no interest in recruiting new people as this is a group of friends from outside the game that as mentioned above do occasionally come back at times.

We bought the FC house back whenever it was they made subdivisions (2.3?), but by your logic just because our current member count is < 4 we should give up the house? Sorry, but that's not happening.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

If your fc is so small as to not have 4 members (That's 3 members, not even enough to sign the FC documents, )bthen you should be sharing a personal house. Doing this sort of thing would limit most hardcore players from expanding past 1 personal, 1 FC. Not completely, but would exponentially slow them down.

I'm not completely serious about this, since the real issue is house flipping, but eventually personal use FCs might need addressed.

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Uhh... how is them sharing a personal house of any benefit to anyone over them using an FC house?

No you don't give up the house, you just lose your ability to garden and send out the airships. If you gain more members, your privileges are returned.

The only way you could lose your house is reclamation from being inactive.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Uhh... how is them sharing a personal house of any benefit to anyone over them using an FC house?

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You made the case that it would be hurting small FCs doing it this way. They by all means can purchase an FC house, but they wouldn't have access to the additional benefits of the FC (aside from private chambers.) So they might as well have a private house, is what I mean to say. You do have to circumvent the system to obtain it though.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

No you don't give up the house, you just lose your ability to garden and send out the airships.

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Gardening isn't even a FC only perk... that's like saying a personal house without 3 tenants can't use the garden.

But there's no way that'd work. People would just create the number of alts that are needed to match whatever number you say. Heck right now I even have 4 separate accounts myself (so I can still use the workshop solo whilst the FC members are on a break).

I understand what you're trying to do, but trying to stop people with solo FC's (who let's face it have also had to spend that time to actually level them as well as make the money to buy the house) is only going to impact on small FCs. There's probably a lot more of them than you think, people won't want to give up their existing house/merge into a bigger FC because they'll lose what they already have (gardening for example is so limited, that's the only reason I have a personal house!)

Ah, I get you. I prefer small FCs so I don't agree.

Again, this isn't the core issue, it's just something to think about, if we do finally get house flipping under control and space problems, continue to arise.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

Again, this isn't the core issue, it's just something to think about, if we do finally get house flipping under control and space problems, continue to arise.

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House flipping and personal FCs are not the cause of the space problems; space problems are the cause of the space problems.

House flipping and personal FCs only cause ingrown hairs in no-no zones of people that wouldn't have got a house anyway, and need someone to blame for it.