Please Remove the Materia Melding Crafter Restriction

Should just add a NPC to meld items for players and the NPC charges gil.

The NPC should not be able to overmeld.

That will solve the problem. Even though I dont understand the original problem considering most raiders have FC that have crafters. But this will solve the problem for those who dont.

Raids, trials and dungeons drop items that crafters need for certain crafts. Crafters can meld materia which battle classes need for certain instances. Sounds fair to me.

I do think it's a nuisance to have to go looking for someone just to meld materia or having to wait for them to finish whatever it was they were doing at the time. I just don't see much value in that system; it's always bugged me, honestly.

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Originally Posted by Colorful

Of course I'm complaining about it now, I have zero interest in crafting and I dislike it when it's forced down my throat. Sure, I can do it, but why would I spend time doing something I abhor? I play the game for enjoyment, not to do a grind that I have zero interest in. Crafters have furnishings, dyes, glamour prisms, high end i220 gear, glamour gear, minions, etc. What did low end crafters do before this patch, sit and complain about the lack of ways to make gil? Every time a convenience feature is suggested, it's always "But crafters will lose this and that", first glamour prisms and now materia.

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Umm.... welcome to an MMORPG??? Grinding is a bit of a given... lol.

We all have to suck it up and do things we don't want to. That's how it works in the real world to. Just because this is a video game doesn't mean that philosophy has to be abolished. If you want something, you have to earn it. Suck it up and craft like the rest of us did. Was it fun? Hells no; but we did it. Just because you and a few other people refuse to utilize a feature in the game is not excusable enough to do away with it. That's unfair to the rest of us that sucked it up and did do it. Special snowflake attitude much? Guess your too good to grind in a video game that was designed with grinding in mind. And boohoo if they expect a tip for their time? They didn't have to help you at all. Guess waiters and pizza delivery drivers don't deserve tips either for their time. I mean after all, you could just do it yourself and pick up your own pizza.

And honestly, most crafters do melds for free because it's hardly a burden to them anyway; so yes, I do fail to see why this whole "inconvenience" thing is even an issue, because it really isn't. It's just gamers looking for more ways to be lazy because, "It's just a game".

I think we should remove the restriction for everything. have two items? mash em together with your bare roe hands and bam, crafted gear. no more level restrictions, geirskogul at level one. no more class restrictions, fire4 as a monk. no more reality restrictions, Yoshi p materializes from your monitors and socks us right in the face for every patch.

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Originally Posted by Khanscott

I'm an endgame crafter and I think this is a good idea. On the other hand, if some random in Idle shouts for a meld or use of Careful Synthesis II on some craft and they have the stuff I personally don't care if I get tipped for the seconds of time it takes to bash my face against the keyboard. Its a pain in the butt to have to grind items for God knows how long only to have to hunt some player down so they can charge 5-6 digit gil sums for zero effort on their part.

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I don't mind either as an endgame crafter myself, what bothers me is all of these people that try to make us crafters come across as spoiled brats or something, because god forbid they don't want to put in the same amount of time crafting we did. It's like crafting is a beneath them or something.

If they wanted to do this fairly they can leave the whole advanced melding on crafted gear for crafters only. You still need to level and work hard to get this specialist gear and sell it giving crafters a source of revenue that they already have being able to craft new glamours and more. Giving people the ability to meld to regular tome gear wouldn't be a massive inconvenience to anyone it just saves some messing around with unnecessary game mechanics when so many other games don't force crafting on you just to enchant gear which is really what melding is.

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I'm ok with melding being a crafter thing. However, I don't like the way they made the level restriction on melding.
Currently, you have to level a crafter job according to the level of the item you want to put a materia on. Would it be a materia I or V.

I think that it should be the other way around where the level of the materia determines the required level of your crafter.

Lv1-20: Materia I
Lv21-30: Materia II
Lv31-40: Materia III
Lv41-50: Materia IV
Lv51-60: Materia V

Want BiS materia melds? Get your crafters to 60 so you can put some materia V on it. Ok with having lower tier materia? Just get a few levels on your DoH.
I don't think a DoW who wants to put some materia on his gear (hello 3.2 changes) should have to get his DoH at 60 to even put shitty materias on it. It feels wrong to have it this way.
It would also ease the spiritbonding process since you only need Lv I materias.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Should just add a NPC to meld items for players and the NPC charges gil.

The NPC should not be able to overmeld.

That will solve the problem. Even though I dont understand the original problem considering most raiders have FC that have crafters. But this will solve the problem for those who dont.

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Said NPC should charge extra money for services so that players would be encouraged to ask crafters.

I don't like to craft, I like to be a warrior.

I'm also playing an mmorpg, a game where I'm supposed to interact with other people when I can't do certain things all by myself.

If you don't like it, if you don't like to "lose time" talking with other players, you can always play a single player game. Or level a crafter : )

I'll just reiterate what I said in the other thread. Please don't try and take away one of the only DIRECT interactions crafters have with the community at large. Outside of being asked to craft prisims/weapons/leveling gear for FC members and the like, there's not much interaction between crafters and those who focus on PvE/Raids/PvP.

I'm pretty sure one of the main reasons that crating is required to meld is to keep us all communicating with each other, this is an MMO after all, and maybe you'll make a nice crafter friend who will cut you a deal when you need a tough craft. ;3

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Originally Posted by Priwia

I don't like to craft, I like to be a warrior.

I'm also playing an mmorpg, a game where I'm supposed to interact with other people when I can't do certain things all by myself.

If you don't like it, if you don't like to "lose time" talking with other players, you can always play a single player game. Or level a crafter : )

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Eh, I interact with people frequently. Not sure how the following scenario really adds to the social aspect of the game.

FC(me): Hey can someone meld this gear for me?
FC(crafter):Sure, meet at the house.
FC(Me):Great thanks!
right click, request meld.

I see bunch of crafters crying how this would simply ruin the game. Get over yourselves. I tried crafting and absolutely hate it. My playtime is limited enough as it is and I don't need to be spending hours on hours grinding out something completely unenjoyable to me. Let's add, you don't even have to be ON your crafter to meld or repair. This is simply about convenience. If that makes you seem that it would somehow ruin the game I think you'll find 2 camps here: those who live to craft and don't want ANYTHING taken from them....and those who abhor crafting that just want to socket their materia and get on with playing the game.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

I see bunch of crafters crying how this would simply ruin the game. Get over yourselves. I tried crafting and absolutely hate it. My playtime is limited enough as it is and I don't need to be spending hours on hours grinding out something completely unenjoyable to me. Let's add, you don't even have to be ON your crafter to meld or repair. This is simply about convenience. If that makes you seem that it would somehow ruin the game I think you'll find 2 camps here: those who live to craft and don't want ANYTHING taken from them....and those who abhor crafting that just want to socket their materia and get on with playing the game.

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Maybe your the one who should get over yourself? If you don't have enough playtime then maybe your playing the wrong game when it only takes literally 5mins or less to shout for someone in a city to meld. Is your play time so limited that you can't be bothered to talk to someone for a few mins? Ya know, in an MMORPG...

Or the OP can just join a FC or static group for raiding.

Before 3.2 crafter only really did melda for endgame raiders, honestly they couldn't care less about melding. I once asked for a meld and a crafter said: "Wha?" "Oh, sorry. Been awhile since I did one...get me the catalyst."

Now suddenly removing melding is the end of all crafting.
All crafters only endured the grind so they could meld.
It was definitely NOT to make strong gear, forge glamour gear, and be able to create Glamour Prisms.
(Cause making Glamour Prisms[which are illusions...and should be considered magic & should be made by Mages not crafters] must be hard.)

Why dont make an option where you can send a retainer with the materiales and money for the melding and post it un the marketing board for crafters to acceso and make the work, after that you can take your ítem with materia woth the retainer again

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Maybe your the one who should get over yourself? If you don't have enough playtime then maybe your playing the wrong game when it only takes literally 5mins or less to shout for someone in a city to meld. Is your play time so limited that you can't be bothered to talk to someone for a few mins? Ya know, in an MMORPG...

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You know: I'm not an idiot. Quit assuming that people somehow are completely unaware that they can shout/ask for help. I have a FC also. There are crafters in that FC. I can get the melds for free whenever I want. I just don't like bothering my friends for something as inconsequential as a meld. You are full of assumptions and you know what they say about people who assume?

Let me reiterate, this request is simply about convenience, nothing more. The fact that so many players are getting bent out of shape over such a simple and inconsequential game mechanic request shows just how unreasonable certain people are.

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Eh, I interact with people frequently. Not sure how the following scenario really adds to the social aspect of the game.

FC(me): Hey can someone meld this gear for me?
FC(crafter):Sure, meet at the house.
FC(Me):Great thanks!
right click, request meld.

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Back in the days when i110 crafter gear was relevant when overmeld i used to always ask the same weaver for my melds.

Friend listed, emotes, chatting , and a couple of melds later he was my official crafter, cheaper than the MB prices by a fair margin.

I should also add, there's been a suggestion made by several people that makes complete sense. Add an npc just like we have repair npcs. Said npc charges for service and cannot do advanced melding. I'd even suggest that it's just one npc placed in Mutamix's camp. Crafting buddy isn't on? Just go to Black Brush and get melds done. Crafters lose nothing with this solution. They still get to be the only ones that can overmeld and, if they're one of the ones that don't charge for this service, still remain the cheapest way to get melding done.

On a side note, calling someone lazy or stupid right off the bat probably isn't the best way to approach conversation on the forums. No one would like it if someone did that to them in IRL and so what makes people think that such behavior is acceptable here too?

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

I see bunch of crafters crying how this would simply ruin the game. Get over yourselves. I tried crafting and absolutely hate it. My playtime is limited enough as it is and I don't need to be spending hours on hours grinding out something completely unenjoyable to me. Let's add, you don't even have to be ON your crafter to meld or repair. This is simply about convenience. If that makes you seem that it would somehow ruin the game I think you'll find 2 camps here: those who live to craft and don't want ANYTHING taken from them....and those who abhor crafting that just want to socket their materia and get on with playing the game.

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While we are at it then, why not make it so that crafting materials that drop off end game raids can now be bought off NPCs? I mean, some crafters absolutely hate PvE stuff and just want to focus on crafting and not have to go into these pesky raids that they have to learn a whole new class/job for just for a chance at an item randomly dropping.

By the way, you can get all your crafting and gathering classes to level 60 in roughly 2 months spending around 5 minutes a day total. Just do your daily GC turn ins and if you want to spend a few extra minutes a day, do your weekly challenge log as well. Not sure where you are getting these hours on hours of grinding from as that only applies if you are trying to max out in as short of time as possible. The same applies to any DoW/M class/job as well, but they require a little more time each day.

I don't think anyone likes how all they ever have is a chance at an item randomly dropping. RNGeesus hates us all equally.

The difference being that people who primarily focus on PvE content are clearing these raids regularly or don't mind running them repeatedly to try and get that item they want. Trust me, I'm in this camp as I prefer to do the PvE content. I managed to level every DoH/L to 60 with minimal effort just doing the GC turn ins and challenge log. Heck, I was also able to buy things off a vendor for cheap to do leve turn ins and then resold the vendor bought items for 2-3 times their value on the MB.

I do however, understand where the crafters are coming from. I know a lot of them and some of them only have a battle class leveled because it was required to do pretty much anything. Gatherers are the same way, they were pretty much forced to level 1 battle class to 60 so they could start working on end game gathering.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

you don't even have to be ON your crafter to meld

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But yet, I still have to level my crafts to be able to meld. On top of that, you can't simply level one class to be able to meld everything. Simply leveling one class will not work.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

...or repair.

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But you STILL have to level multiple your crafts to 50 to be able to repair all gears.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

This is simply about convenience. If that makes you seem that it would somehow ruin the game

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This isn't about conveniences, this is about something that ACTUALLY gave us crafters something to be depended on for service. You don't HAVE to level crafter to meld, but you DO have to ask a crafter to meld for you. Ask your FC mates, ask your friend, shout in Idyllshire or in any cities, you're guaranteed to get a response, and on top of that, MOST nice crafters won't even ask you to pay or lot, I wouldn't be mad if someone just tips me 1000 gil per meld.

So which goes back to the point, we worked extra hard to get to this point and be able to provide services, so again I ask Why SHOULD you have a free pass and conveniently get ability to meld gears, without having to level crafts, just because you're not willing to level crafts?

There is NOTHING that prevents you from taking 5 minutes to ASK someone to meld for you. We worked hard to BE ABLE to do this, not just for ourselves, but for most of us, for other people. I would be MORE THAN HAPPY to help out.

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

While we are at it then, why not make it so that crafting materials that drop off end game raids can now be bought off NPCs? I mean, some crafters absolutely hate PvE stuff and just want to focus on crafting and not have to go into these pesky raids that they have to learn a whole new class/job for just for a chance at an item randomly dropping.

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And some crafters actually LIKE doing PVE (and PVP). I enjoy doing everything and being self-sufficient.

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

By the way, you can get all your crafting and gathering classes to level 60 in roughly 2 months spending around 5 minutes a day total. Just do your daily GC turn ins and if you want to spend a few extra minutes a day, do your weekly challenge log as well. Not sure where you are getting these hours on hours of grinding from as that only applies if you are trying to max out in as short of time as possible. The same applies to any DoW/M class/job as well, but they require a little more time each day.

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This. Leves and GC turn-ins, and collectible stuff will very easy level your stuff. Both crafters and gatherers.

One thing to note, as of 3.2 they made it so you actually don't have to change to your DoH class to meld now.

From the patch notes: "Provided they have the ability to do so, players will now be able to affix materia even if they are equipped as a different class."

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

One thing to note, as of 3.2 they made it so you actually don't have to change to your DoH class to meld now.

From the patch notes: "Provided they have the ability to do so, players will now be able to affix materia even if they are equipped as a different class."

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That's awesome. I didn't even notice, that, as there's just so much to read lol. Thanks, I corrected my post.

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Originally Posted by Slappah

I'm not sure I see why it's a big deal

Go to idleshire, shout "need someone to meld xxxx"

Get it melded

Man what an inconvenience :\

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Well, problem is, many people charge. If I got 23k, I'm not giving you 20k just to do one meld.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

Well, problem is, many people charge. If I got 23k, I'm not giving you 20k just to do one meld.

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Then keep asking? There are more people who do melds for free than there are that charge.

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Originally Posted by Jim_Berry

Well, problem is, many people charge. If I got 23k, I'm not giving you 20k just to do one meld.

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Yeah. To be honest, I would never charge 20K per meld. that's insane. However, it's not that hard to make money anyway. I suggest to keep shouting, and finding someone that is fair, and use them as your regular contact for meld services.

Sorry, but I'm against anything to change melding away from actually having levelled the respective crafting. Right now it's a good incentive to make people level crafting, it should stay that way (or if you don't want to you should bother your FC friends or pay a stranger)

Oh hey there's a blist feature in the forums too. Learn something new every day.

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Originally Posted by Cnidarian

The difference being that people who primarily ...

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I also primarily do the PVE content. I can get why crafters might feel miffed at this request too because they DID put all those hours into leveling their jobs. Me, I don't even endgame raid. I get on and hit my weeklies, do a few dailies, and any remaining time I happen to be on is spent helping friends out. I play this game to get away from the grind that is homework. When I do get on it's to take a load off. I don't want the game to turn into a chore. Why play at all if that becomes the case? I'm sorry that I don't have the play time some others have. Should I have to suffer for that? I'm just asking for what in essence is a small QoL adjustment. Instead I'm faced with walls of angry text saying "you're lazy," or "you're stupid," or "get good," etc. None of us know the first thing about each other, but at least it's nice to see SOMEONE who is willing to have a dialogue.

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Originally Posted by RhaegarFFXIFenrir

Oh hey there's a blist feature in the forums too. Learn something new every day. Suirieko just found mine.

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I can understand blisting someone but announcing you are doing it is just plain childish.

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Originally Posted by Kathyz

Why dont make an option where you can send a retainer with the materiales and money for the melding and post it un the marketing board for crafters to acceso and make the work, after that you can take your ítem with materia woth the retainer again

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I actually would not mind this. Great idea.
Give retainer the gear & materia and money (if you desire to offer any money) for a meld.
Have a Work Order Board and Crafters can choose from the board and fulfill the orders as needed.

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Originally Posted by Andrea

I can understand blisting someone but announcing you are doing it is just plain childish.

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Perhaps, but I'm not going to put up with jerks anymore either.

Still haven't seen anyone address how obtaining the BONUS stats from melding is any different than obtaining the BONUS stats from food and potions or how these stats are any more required than food or potions. If you're the kind of person who already doesn't use food and potions you don't need these slots used either... and if you are the kind of person who uses food and potions then you're probably fine with finding crafters to meld for you.

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Originally Posted by Tev

Still haven't seen anyone address how obtaining the BONUS stats from melding is any different than obtaining the BONUS stats from food and potions or how these stats are any more required than food or potions. If you're the kind of person who already doesn't use food and potions you don't need these slots used either... and if you are the kind of person who uses food and potions then you're probably fine with finding crafters to meld for you.

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No one has addressed it because it's an over exaggeration.
Potions last all of 10 seconds. The Item system is even worse than the Materia system in this game.
The only potions most folks use are HP & MP restores.
Ailment cleansing is useless as NPCS immediately reapply the ailment.

Food Buffs are mostly used by Crafters & Gatherers.
Battle Jobs use them for the xp buff.
Raiders use them because Savage requires every little boost you can get.
Also Food is readily available by NPCs. Unlike Melding.

Also gear doesn't require you to be fed.
Now if a system were implemented where your character got hungry and received a debuff that could only be cleansed via eating the appropriate lvl food & that food could not be bought from an NPC.
THEN you'd see players get upset.

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Originally Posted by Defias

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Then you're bad at math. Add up the benefits you get from having all the slots on your dungeon gear melded and the benefits from using stat potions properly during fights and the proper food buff and you'd find that having ALL of your slots full is not significantly more than food and potions.

Life of a crafter:

Today I want to make some musical instruments for the house. Oh? The items drop from dungeons? Nvm...

Okey how about the new kettle then. Oh? I need to do the relic quest? I see...

Maybe I can make a cool Sephirot barding. Oh? A trial drop is needed? Damn...

Lets make a Gobwalker minion then. Oh? It requires raid drop?

Uhh, how about... gear? Oh, the items drop from mobs. Hmm.


Life of a fighter:

Don't force me to even speak to a crafter, please SE!