If this is all going to be about teaching Alphinaud to cast aside his idealism and resign himself to the realities of necessary sacrifice, I will actually burn my Heavensward CE and send the video to Yoshida. Ideals are not the shallow, ignorant things they gets billed as any time writers want to be "edgy." Fortunately, the Moonspeak line is very different, more of a resigned "You stupid kids, haven't you learned that war never changes and won't solve anything?"Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
So, without further ado, the transcribed Japanese:
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Originally Posted by Aymeric
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Originally Posted by Matoya
The VA change masks some of the casting a bit, but my super-fanboy ears confirm Miyuki Sawashiro (in her much-neglected soprano range) as the speaker of the final line, which means it's said either by or through Minfilia, unlike past encounters with the Mothercrystal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Minfilia
Patch 3.2 Trailer Discussion
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02-13-2016, 02:18 AMFenral
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02-13-2016, 03:15 AMFrederick22About Raubahn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
It doesnt look to you like a solo instance Nalien?
I really have suspicions that it will be like a test. To see if we are capable of fighting a friend in case it turned to be against us and that there is really no orther way. It doesnt need to be that complicated.
About Amapoar city's new areas.
It doesnt necesary need to be a travel time thing. It just could be a place where all was perfectly preserved, we know that it exists the magicks to do such a thing.
Also did anyone notice that some structures looks like the Sanctum of the Twelve? -
02-13-2016, 03:33 AMmyahele
The Sanctum of the 12 was built around the ice age and was a place for succor.
I have always theorized it was proto-Amdapori
As for Raubahn, i think its an aftermath of a fight with Garleans or maybe even some of Ilberds men Though i think its safe to say the Mad Bull returns. -
02-13-2016, 06:44 AMFrederick22I really dont think so. Its very much confusing. Also we already saw that the reality is much more simple than we think it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
Im gonna still believe that is some short like a test to see if we are capable of kiling on a friend that have turned against us and there is no orther way. Hypothetically. -
02-13-2016, 06:49 AMFenralI'd like to volunteer for the "not capable" role, if possible. Not letting ourselves be convinced that "there is no other way" is supposed to be one of the things that makes the good guys good. For tests like that, it's just as likely that killing your friend (or trying to) is the failure condition, after all. Best just stick with what you want to believe in and choose who to follow that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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02-13-2016, 07:10 AMFrederick22Make Ilbred as an example. What if there really no orther way to avoid that he kill more inocent people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Or Nidhogg, what if we dont have another choise than kill him and lost any possible way to save Estenien? -
02-13-2016, 07:23 AMFenral
It's one thing to carefully weigh alternatives before deciding on the most expedient course with the least cost, and another entirely to jump straight to the saddest possible option, consoling ourselves with "there's no other way" without ever actually weighing possible outcomes. FF14 has never done the former.
But this is purely academic: we have no idea what context surrounds our "fight" with Raubahn. No one would really shed tears over Ilberd or (pre-Estinienized) Nidhogg, but I think the MSQ will have truly jumped the shark if that gentle giant Raubahn Aldynn, of all people, is somehow magically beyond salvation. As for Estinien, he still has the ability to forfeit his powers as the Azure Dragoon as a way of breaking Nidhogg's control, unless that's yet another lore point we're going to disregard for the sake of having a "tragic cost." -
02-13-2016, 07:33 AMCrimsonThunder
What do you guys think Sephirot's ultimate is? Fiendish Rage? Northern Cross? Or something new altogether.
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02-13-2016, 07:35 AMRocl
Fiendish Rage makes the most sense, if a bit of a lame name over two decades later. Seeing Northern Cross and Force Field as regular moves during the fight would definitely activate my nostalgia tho
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02-13-2016, 07:38 AMYasuhiro
These patches like using bosses from Final Fantasy IV
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Cr7NDhGxuYo/hqdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/BOzaXH8oT1E/hqdefault.jpg
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02-13-2016, 05:58 PMCilia
OK, now that I've given myself a good day to digest it...
We seem to be taking proactive action against Sephirot. That's good. One of the main problems with "heroes" is that they just react to crises instead of trying to solve them or actively make the world a better place - we're finally going at it ourselves instead of waiting for it to reach crisis levels. That phase transition is epic, too.
The Feast, despite my disdain for PvP, looks somewhat interesting and exciting. Perhaps I'll give it ago... but probably not.
Finally got a good look at the Antitower. Gotta say, it fulfilled my expectations and then some; looks like a really eldritch place, something I've really been wanting in XIV for a while now. Figured the endboss would be Calcabrina after all the talk of mammets and such in there with it also being mentioned it would be a throwback boss.
Hildibrand returns! That is all.
Alexander Midas looks pretty intense. There's a whole freakin' city in there! Aside from the techno vibe, reminds me of Aspio from Tales of Vesperia. They also have Voltron. Wonderful.
Aymeric continuing to try and reform Ishgard and end the war. Good, good, expected.
Fight scene with Raubahn amidst flames. Without context I can't really say what's going on, but I'd bet we're just sparring with him to reignite his flames or help him prove to himself that even down an arm he's still more than capable a fighter. It might end the career of any other fighter... but not Raubahn Aldynn, Flame General and Mad Bull of Ala Mhigo! It might have slowed him down, but Raubahn isn't the sort of person you can keep down.
Matoya: To win a war, you must be willing to do whatever it takes. To fight, to kill, and if necessary, to die.
Yeah, but those are supposed to be last resorts... ceasing hostilities takes precedence over winning, but as a last resort, perhaps. We fought and killed countless dragons and dragonkin on our journey. Even so, if there's a chance for peace, it has priority over outright victory... I know it's a one-way track, and I will bear the sin that others need not do so, but I will not accept "necessary sacrifices."
Everyone continues to feel the loss of Haurchefant. Thancred punching Emmanellain, probably to prevent him from doing something stupid.
Scene with the Warrior of Light in front of Hydaelyn, being told by Minfilia-Hydaelyn to "go forth and seek." Or perhaps Hydaelyn's telling both us and Minfilia that through Minfilia. But, what are we seeking...?!? Stupid deities and their cryptic bull[kupo]...
Not much else caught my eye, except for the Gnath quests. Interesting to see they take us out of the Forelands, where everything for the Vanu was in the Sea of Clouds. -
02-13-2016, 06:13 PMBelhi
I think the idea isn't that you want to allow 'necessary sacrifices' but that they maybe inevitable and in trying to avoid them you can risk failing in your goal. Using the Dragonsong war, Nidhogg is a necessary sacrifice. We have little option but to kill him. Its like saying, 'In trying to save everyone you can end up saving no one' or 'understand to achieve your goals you might need to pay a price'. Peace can only exist in Ishgard with victory in the Dragonsong war because Nidhogg isn't willing under any circumstances to consider peace as an option.
Also the English version doesn't really give much of a sense of it but some of those other localisations make it sound like this might be Hydaelyn's last message to us, at least for a long time. The German one almost sounded like she is begging. Very ominous. I wonder if we will see Hydaelyn bow out as a player in this patch. That would be huge. -
02-14-2016, 01:15 AMGrayveThat's how I see it. We do everything we can to prevent any loss, but some losses are unavoidable. I assume the dialouge is about us accept that, perhaps specifically with Haurchafant, and Icehearts deaths being referenced.Quote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
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02-14-2016, 02:26 AMFenral
I still say there are problems with how FFXIV portrays sacrifice. Even if they do happen, it still falls on us to refuse to accept them as "necessary." FFXIV is way to keen on making "acceptance" a part of the grieving process, which isn't quite how that works. Understand that it happened, and that you can't change the past, but don't you dare try and say things have worked out for the best.
But that line in Japanese came across as much more snarkily critical, like she was saying what she knows war is, but tacking an "orly" on at the end. Because we all know by now that Matoya doesn't buy into heroic bullcrap. -
02-14-2016, 05:19 AMVeloxYour have to remember that it's localized, not just translated. For exampleQuote:
Originally Posted by Belhi
Localization into language X we have "Not much time left. Please fetch my son."
Localization into language Y we have "Go fetch my son, I don't have much time left."
Both have the same meaning, but are structured different due to the language rules. Now let's say a sound clip only uses the first half of each. We have...
"Not much time left." In trailer X
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"Go fetch my son," In trailer Y
All of a sudden they don't seem to make sense when compared against eachother. That's the reason why it's better to wait until release before drawing conclusions. Clips tend to not tell the whole story :P -
02-14-2016, 06:32 AMKotemon
Is that really supposed to be the guy from tactics in the Hildabrand intro? This wasn't in the trailer but on one of the webpages showing off screen shots but is there really a Vivi doll or minion somewhere in 3.2?
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02-14-2016, 08:19 AMChewy2ndThe Vivi thing is part of the Hildibrand storyline (its one of the pictures in the Hildibrand section of the 3.2 site)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kotemon
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02-14-2016, 01:06 PMSekundessounet
Considering translations, Koji Fox told that the French version is directly based of the Japanese version, and is more accurate (like the Coils of Bahamut which were named "Labyrinthe/Méndres/Abîmes de Bahamut" in the original and French version). So this language may be the more accurate.
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02-14-2016, 02:07 PMYasuhiro
Think their will be new themes for Alexander Midas? The Super Sentai part of the clip made it sound like there is.
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02-14-2016, 03:11 PMRoclIf it follows the same general pattern as Coil it should be the same ole same ole "Seeking the peace of reason" (or whatever) for the beginning fights (A5-7? M1-3?) and a new (ish) track for the final fight (which should be the voltron)Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasuhiro
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02-14-2016, 03:31 PMYasuhiro"Seeking the peace of reason"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocl
Goddamn it it's been drilled in my head so much I actually read it as its sang. -
02-14-2016, 03:41 PMKotemonI'm eager to see if there is a blazing sword drop in the Ex modeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocl
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02-14-2016, 07:34 PMCeasariaQuote:
Originally Posted by dejiko_san
Let me correct this last sentence
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Que la bénédiction de la lumière soit sur vous, enfants d'Hydaelyn.
Vous êtes notre seul espoir --> Your are our only hope.
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02-17-2016, 03:42 AMdalta
il just copy a commant i made on a video of it
'ahh finally 3.2 its finally time to go and face nidhog and end the dragon song war once and fo- wait hildabrand? oh fuck this noise ima hang out with him :)'
but sadly iv a feeling its not coming with 3.2 but with 3.2.5 and a half >_>
also really pissed that thay put ff6 music in for sethirot boss but then thay ditched it for some stupid generic rock music -_-
we get it yoshida. you really like the sound of someone pretending thay can play instremants/sing but please MAYBE we can not insult the classic work of Nobuo Uematsu with that crap -
02-17-2016, 03:50 AMMholitoIt would get really old to have the same battle theme for three patch trials in a row. You also don't even know how the phase 2 song sounds like, so I would reccomend holding your judgement until you actually know if you like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalta
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02-17-2016, 01:41 PMPArcher
EDIT: Apparently, skipping a raid day robs me of the ability to read
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02-17-2016, 01:54 PMSekundessounetThe music of the second phase was "The Feast" 's music, we don't know how the music will play out yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalta
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02-17-2016, 02:08 PMLego3400It's been used exactly twice. Once as an NPC in a haloween event a couple years ago, and another is a vendor that will sell you the Wind Up Sun in exchange for an Elixir.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
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02-17-2016, 04:21 PMWaryaxAren't there magic pots in the Labyrinth of theAancients? On the second boss?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lego3400
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02-17-2016, 04:53 PMYasuhiroI think the only lyrical track in XIV I liked was maybe Shiva but even then it's not something I'd ever listen to on Youtube at random.Quote:
Originally Posted by dalta
I'd rather XIII-2's generic buttrock than some of the lyrical tracks in XIV. But I digress, just have to wait and see what Sethirots new boss theme is like same with the last Alexander Midas boss. Might not even be lyrical tracks which will make me happy. -
02-17-2016, 05:01 PMCilia
Who be insultin' this game's music?!
It have some good trackz, like uhh Ramuh and Bismarck themes. Those are good. The rock does get a little boring from time to time, those make up for it. -
02-17-2016, 05:06 PMYasuhiroRamuh is good but the start makes me wanna cover my ears other than that the lyrics are nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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02-17-2016, 05:26 PMTheodric
I honestly like most of the music in this game. The only exception to this is Shiva's second theme which I feel is a very jarring contrast to her aesthetics, personality and the first theme. The new music is one of the things I look forward to the most in each new patch.
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02-17-2016, 05:40 PMFrederick22There is a reason why the music change so drasticaly. The first theme talks about Ysayle's idea of Shiva ( being this powerfull ice queen, tec ). The second theme referes too Ysayle herself, and her feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
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02-17-2016, 06:17 PMTheodricSo many people say. Personally I believe that it didn't fit at all - and that it was, perhaps, just a stray experiment to try out a new style of music. Type-0 has a lot of 'rock' music and it's awesome. Lyrical rock, however, can very easily just come across as noise - especially if the quality of the singing is dubious. Out of game, on the 'enhanced' version, it sounds more tolerable - but the in-game version lacks the same bite in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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02-17-2016, 06:40 PMCyrilLuciferI could not possibly disagree more. The nasal chanting is very distinct and attractive, it's the rest of the song with the singer singing in Engrish (not the Sylphic) that falls flat, as most Engrish does. Yes, that includes Persona 3 and 4's Engrish. Sorry. They're good because of the catchy music, not the absurd vocals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yasuhiro
I was honestly hoping it would stay more nasal and choral and they would go for an Ar tonelico/noSurge style of battle theme. We're definitely missing one of those, especially since they're pretty much universally acclaimed.
(I totally don't see the point of insulting Soken though? Because seriously, he does some amazing work and I'm of mind that Uematsu hasn't put an entire soundtrack above "average" in about 15 years, with only a few singular hits here and there. Lots of nostalgia speaking when it comes to Uematsu and lots of knee jerking when it comes to Soken. I never really saw this type of hate for composers on XI's forums; Mizuta is damn good, too and certainly doesn't deserve it, either way.) -
02-17-2016, 07:12 PMCiliaI agree; the song overall probably would have been much better if it were entirely in Sylphic. The Engrish isn't good, but it doesn't detract from it too much IMO because it keeps that mystical, old-timey feel (pronunciation wasn't the same as it is now).Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
People are just putting on their nostalgia goggles for Uematsu's work. A lot of it is memorable, but to complain Soken is butchering his work with remixes... you must not have set foot into Syrcus Tower. It's amazing what 20 years, hardware updates, and a new vision can breathe into chiptune music. Plus the vast majority of the music in-game now is original work of Soken's (I think Ifrit's theme, Primal Judgment, and remixes of old songs are the only songs that aren't his own), and while it can be hit and miss at times, looking back on Uematsu's work without the nostalgia filter it's about as good.
Back on point - I need more context for the last scene with Hydaelyn. Based on the images it seems to take place after the scene with Minfilia in front of the Crystal, and in fact it could be Minfilia who disappears into the light we see in that scene. Can't tell what's going on - Hydaelyn speaking through Minfilia, perhaps, and appearing before us in her true crystal form only in meta world? Aaagh, the suspense is... well, not killing me, but irritating me. -
02-17-2016, 07:20 PMYasuhiroYou like the part where a woman is screaming YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHHH or whatever at the start, we are talking about the same part right? Because that's what I mean when I say RIGHT at the start. People like hearing that? More power to yah if you like the first 5 seconds to be the best part I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer
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02-17-2016, 07:33 PMAlice_89th
I am just curious why there is a (large) black coeurl minion in one of the Midas fights....
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02-17-2016, 07:40 PMMwynn
It's the Cat of that Illuminati Boss (The one who leads the Group)