Why is "It's something to do" apparently a valid defense?

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

You think you're special? That you're the only one who feels that way? People have fun in different ways, just because some people are doing things you don't find fun doesn't mean THEY are not having fun. Stop assuming your way of thinking is the only way of thinking.

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no, I'm not special, I understand that different people find different things fun like PvP and Extreme/savage content (which i don't find fun but others do)

it's just funny when people try to circumvent obvious time syncs that SE has put in place (all MMO's do this weather its F2P or P2P) , then come into the forum and open 5+ bitch threads on how they can't circumvent time syncs

The way I see it, there needs to be a long grind to keep this game moving. I do feel they could have done things a bit differently, of course, but I also respect that SE do more for FFXIV than (to my knowledge) any other MMO developer out there when it comes to content per major patch.

Some people seem to think this should have been something that can be completed in a day or two, and some people seem to think this should have been tougher content instead of a long grind. My response to those people would be: You mean, just like all the other content we have in the game already?

Some people hold the criticism of it being unoriginal - we've already done this before. Yes, that's true, and I can see that argument but I also do feel that they are pushing content that has been underutilised, which is a common thing for relic. Still, at least they aren't forcing us to all have Pedigree 9 chocobos. ;)

Some people say that it should have been fresh content, like a series of new trials similar to the old Chimera/Hydra fights. That I can get behind! It would be nice to have at least one fight that was unique to relic.

Some people have stated that they just feel it is too much work grinding away, and these are the people who confuse me most. The entire point of relic is that it is a different kind of weapon that takes time to get, not one that you simply spam your way to in a couple of days (although holy crap at how fast some are pushing through it already). If you wanted something fast, wouldn't you just get one of the other i210 weapons? I suspect we'll see a lot of people with i210 relic soon though - there is no lockout other than time spent working on it, to my knowledge.

My main query to those who want it done differently would be "How would you have done it?"

Personally, my biggest gripe with SE is that they aren't putting out those player surveys they used to a long time ago. I do feel a player survey is well overdue. They used those surveys to get a really good idea of what the players wanted, and they delivered. I just feel SE could use some further guidance on what the players want now, and I don't feel the forums on their own are good enough to give them this information. Perhaps problems like we're seeing here could have been avoided.

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Originally Posted by Loony_BoB

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How I would've done it different:
Include Crystal Tower, maybe some of Coil (unsynced?). Some actual non-specialist crafting/gathering? Heaven forbid I say it, actual exploration in Diadem over grinding monsters?

Like, we all know relic is also there to give a boost to content that isn't popular (anymore) or to help queues for things that are sort of necessary but taking really long for newer/less regular players. Relic didn't really achieve anything in that aspect.
Alexander was still being done to gear alts or new people and the queue times for it are definitely not bad at all, beastmen dailies had their own carrot already (especially Vanu). Crafting had its own carrot already too for plenty of people but since dungeon gear is dropped like candy and HQ crafted items were regular quest rewards and shoehorning specialist recipes is a real kick in the face. The dungeons are definitely not underplayed past level 50 but they buffed them so much and altered FATEs in no way to guarantee they are worthwhile in a party more so than dungeons, they killed that completely on their own. And treasure maps.. sort of do too actually, just nobody needs to really find a group for it since you can do them in parties of 2 fairly easily and the rewards can be pretty bad.

Even if I can justify defending the relic, I don't see who would like this over a Cookie Clicker minigame. I don't see the new players winning and I don't see the veterans winning. I don't even see anyone winning in-between except the people that want to try out FATEs. That is probably the only thing they got right and it can be skipped anyway. The whole thing just feels like SE telling us 'we'll give you a relic, but first you must help this wounded critter!' and then they give us either perfectly healthy critters or dead critters.

To answer the question, it's because people's standards (and even expectations) have dropped. When SE don't even attempt to disguise the fact you're just doing a bland, uninspired grind (something they delayed implementing in what could only have been for foul reasons) for what will amount to just a vanity piece (by the time the average player completes it), it says it all.

There is no point in arguing with people who defend this quest. Instead you should pity them, for they live lives with low standards. They are the kind of people who would jump to SE's defence if in 3.2 SE removed all dungeons and raids from the game and made eso tomes available only by doing 100 FATEs for 1 eso tome, and they would lap it up and applaud SE, while barking out their same old "don't do it then" argument. That it is neither about the grind or the investment, but rather about the fact that there is nothing new or original in this quest at all and that it is just making us grind to oblivion the same stuff we've grinded the past six months during content draught, is something that just goes completely over the defenders' heads. The fact that people wouldn't mind the grind at all if it actually felt fresh and provided a good reward for the effort involved, is something that just blows their feeble minds.

So, don't argue with the defenders. Pity them and their cursed lives of low standards and low expectations, where they are content never demanding a developer to step up their game and provide better or new for the money we monthly give them. The developers could take a dump in their laps and they would fall on their knees and thanks them for it.

To the defenders, I say, give SE the number to your bankaccount. You might as well just do that if you're zealously going to defend every lazy, uninspired decision they make. How does it feel to be a mindless cashcow being milked dry while getting naught in return but the same thing you've had during ARR for 5 patches straight? I thought we were in HW now, not in ARR-content-recycled-again-for-the-fifth-time-because-the-developers-can't-bother-with-actual-new-HW-content-to-make-a-satisfying-new-questline.

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

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relic was known since 2.1 is dev tool to help new players and grind

so i wont expect new anima relics to be any different if you are expecting different thing then idk what to say to u

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Originally Posted by Hellboy-sa

relic was known since 2.1 is dev tool to help new players and grind

so i wont expect new anima relics to be any different if you are expecting different thing then idk what to say to u

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Live report from FF XIV forums! This is Laurelin Kementari for Independant News, here to give you an update on the developping situation concerning the 3.15 relic discussions! Latest report suggest that forum member Hellboy-sa made a dive towards the point but missed it in an absolutely spectacular fashion. The point sailed over his head and was last reported going into orbit around Jupiter. We will continue to monitor the situation and bring you the latest developments! This was Laurelin Kementari, back to the studio!

Because we are too entlited to this game and we don`t see it. Thats we should be oh-so-ever thankfull at the mercy of SE for giving us this chance of enjoying this throughtly thought, polished and absolutely justified delayed piece of content.

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Tomorrow SE could arbritrarely just delete all data in their datacenters for whatever reason and you would see people here defending them "it gives us something to do!", "now we can start anew!" and im not exaggerating, any reasonable person reading these days insane white knighting going on knows it true. Again, the standars of these people is near to non existent. There is people defending that SE took 6 months to copypaste content.

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Tomorrow SE could arbritrarely just delete all data in their datacenters for whatever reason and you would see people here defending them "it gives us something to do!", "now we can start anew!" and im not exaggerating, any reasonable person reading these days insane white knighting going on knows it true. Again, the standars of these people is near to non existent. There is people defending that SE took 6 months to copypaste content.

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I'm not sure if I'm laughing because of how ridiculously funny it sounds, or the fact that deep in the back of my head, your scenario would just come to pass. It basically sums up this entire situation. I remember reading in another thread yesterday, not sure which, that a person was willing to do whatever SE cranked out, even if it was shit on the plate.

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Originally Posted by Hellboy-sa

relic was known since 2.1 is dev tool to help new players and grind

so i wont expect new anima relics to be any different if you are expecting different thing then idk what to say to u

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The fact it's a grind isn't why people are criticising the 'content'. If the Heavensward 50-60 MSQ consisted of you having to do the same exact ARR dungeons and trials would you defend it by going 'well the last MSQ had you doing dungeons so I won't expect this one to be different'?

My 'defense' is that I'm actually enjoying it. I understand that plenty of people aren't but I am. I respect the opinions of those who are unhappy with the situation even if I don't agree with everything they say. Please return the courtesy.

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Originally Posted by Conando

The whole crafting thing they tacked on guarantees people who don't have the money are stuck unless they have quite a few friends with specialties.

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Last time I checked, anyone can level all classes, and even switch specialties, if they really want to do all by themselves.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

in my opinion they should make the relic a 10 times harder grind, but let the weapon -once you get it- rank up automatically with every major patch, that it stays on top of all weapons forever

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So, I suppose raid weapons should do the same. After all, raiders put a lot of effort into them, so they should be eternally rewarded for that, right ?

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

Live report from FF XIV forums! This is Laurelin Kementari for Independant News, here to give you an update on the developping situation concerning the 3.15 relic discussions! Latest report suggest that forum member Hellboy-sa made a dive towards the point but missed it in an absolutely spectacular fashion. The point sailed over his head and was last reported going into orbit around Jupiter. We will continue to monitor the situation and bring you the latest developments! This was Laurelin Kementari, back to the studio!

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uhm, hellboy is right

back in 2.1 everyone complained that the relic is too hard, titan too strong, only elitist can get it, why cant we have a grind to settle fair conditions?
there were tons of threads and complaints about the "too high difficulty"

thats why they made every step a grind + it revives old content

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Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang

Tomorrow SE could arbritrarely just delete all data in their datacenters for whatever reason and you would see people here defending them "it gives us something to do!", "now we can start anew!" and im not exaggerating

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I've actually seen this happen in other games I've played, that's the sad part. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they did something like instantly demolish all houses currently in the game (as an example off of the top of my head), and I would fully expect a large chunk of the community to vehemently defend it.

I still love how both sides think the forums is a large chunk of the community. Like the Relic or Don't like it stop with this high level of exaggeration on all sides.
A few of you are about to get into the level of insulting each other that gets you banned. Then you'll have someone post how you got banned for no reason.
Just a warning

I really think we should remove "content" that several people find a chore and not fun...
In one week, you could shut the game because EVERY content would be removed...

Would it make you feel better ?

We relic-grinders like it. You don't. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

uhm, hellboy is right

back in 2.1 everyone complained that the relic is too hard, titan too strong, only elitist can get it, why cant we have a grind to settle fair conditions?
there were tons of threads and complaints about the "too high difficulty"

thats why they made every step a grind + it revives old content

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Live report from the danger zone! It seems the missing of the point is caused by a form of disease that is apparently contagious, as it is spreading and has already claimed another forum member by the name of ServerCollapse, who's failure to grasp the point was per chance even more spectacular than the one only a few moments earlier, as well as several other unfortunate souls. No authorities were willing to comment on this new development and SE continues its radio silence. Tensions and panic are on the rise! We will continue to monitor the developping of the situation. Back to the studio!

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Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

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The dev team have glued their fingers on ctrl, c and v but the PR team is amazing, gotta give it do them. You've got this borderline cult of Yoshida, the belief that the more money they'll spend on the game, the more funding it will recieve (and use it to justify anything), I've read people believe Yoshida when he says that he'll never let the game go F2P like he'd tell his costumers to drop the sub and just wait for the game to be free (and like he has any choice in the matter), now there's this new narrative of the dev team being a small group of geniuses whose limitless talent is being held back by SE, not to mention the 2 years old excuse of the miracle they pulled with AAR (guess what, if they didn't suck so much in the first place they wouldn't have had to), PS3 limitations...

They'll believe anything as long as a community rep tells them it's good for the game, even when it's painfully clear it's not.

If next patch you start over with a lvl1 character and no items or gear you'll have people call SE generous for making us revisit the storyline and leveling without having to make an alt.

People say it's something to do because others are whining that there's no content left for them. These relics are implemented, literally, to give us something to do while the new content isn't flowing.

People are crying that they don't have any content to do but then cry when they give us something time consuming to work on. The relic isn't even difficult. In short, if people's argument is the "lack of content", they're going to get the response that actually, there is content, you just don't want to do it.

As another player said, if you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to do it. But respect other people's opinions who do like it and stop jumping down their throat. Some people enjoy it and they have every right to.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

My 'defense' is that I'm actually enjoying it. I understand that plenty of people aren't but I am. I respect the opinions of those who are unhappy with the situation even if I don't agree with everything they say. Please return the courtesy.

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Whilst it's great that you're enjoying yourself, your join date implies you haven't been playing all that long.

Those of us that have been here since launch have been doing this for over two years already. The expansion added nothing truly new, just more of the same. The relic is quite literally just a copy and paste job of the 2.X relic before they nerfed it. The devs are just recycling content and on top of that the patches are being delayed whilst becoming smaller and lower quality.

It's fine for you because you're new and you can't see the cracks yet. Those of us that have been here since the beginning can see how incredibly lazy the devs are being and we're tired of it. They are NOT putting our subscriptions to good use.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

People say it's something to do because others are whining that there's no content left for them. These relics are implemented, literally, to give us something to do while the new content isn't flowing.

People are crying that they don't have any content to do but then cry when they give us something time consuming to work on. The relic isn't even difficult. In short, if people's argument is the "lack of content", they're going to get the response that actually, there is content, you just don't want to do it.

As another player said, if you don't like it, that's fine. You don't have to do it. But respect other people's opinions who do like it and stop jumping down their throat. Some people enjoy it and they have every right to.

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Grind is NOT content. New content would be new places to go, new enemies to kill, etc. This relic quest is having us redo OLD content hundreds of times. It's added nothing new, nothing to do; it's simply a carrot to keep us playing. Please don't confuse the two.

Most aren't even complaining about the grind anyway. The fact is, given the time the third stage of the relic will take to complete, most won't finish it before 3.2 renders the reward obsolete. What's the point in a grind with no reward?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Whilst it's great that you're enjoying yourself, your join date implies you haven't been playing all that long.

It's fine for you because you're new and you can't see the cracks yet. Those of us that have been here since the beginning can see how incredibly lazy the devs are being and we're tired of it. They are NOT putting our subscriptions to good use.

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Actually, I've been playing for almost two years and I have no issues with the new relic. Again, if you don't like it, that's fine. But please just let people enjoy it without making excuses up for why they are. There's no need to push your opinion on others.

Also, anything in the game is content. Just because it's revisiting old content and isn't shiny and new doesn't mean you can't do it. For the millionth time, it's optional, there's other weapons, and a whole lot of other stuff to do in the game.

It's a valid defense because there's a lot of fanboys/fangirls in this game and they will support the game just for being a Final Fanasy game even when it's broken. I've read alot of comments from fanboys/girls saying this game is awesome, grind is awesome EVERY single thing in this game it's pretty cool for them.

Those fans are always online chating and doing nothing, now with this relic thing they just have "something to do" but that's not the point. This game is an MMO and we should be able to have fun with the game (which does not happen)

Now..

The game is nice as RPG and I really enjoy the story

But...

As an MMO is crappy to be honest, lazy, repetitive and no sense

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Originally Posted by valoiz2

It's a valid defense because there's a lot of fanboys/fangirls in this game and they will support the game just for being a Final Fanasy game even when it's broken. I've read alot of comments from fanboys/girls saying this game is awesome, grind is awesome EVERY single thing in this game it's pretty cool for them.

Those fans are always online chating and doing nothing, now with this relic thing they just have "something to do" but that's not the point. This game is an MMO and we should be able to have fun with the game (which does not happen)

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Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Jesus, are people not allowed to just enjoy something without being criticised for it? Some of you people are so rude just because you're unhappy and can't let anyone else enjoy the content. Has it ever occurred to you that some people enjoy the game how it is?

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I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I have seen the words salt and whining more times than I care to. It cuts both ways, until the devs respond or people unsub, which they have been doing.

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Except most people who actually enjoy the patch are giving valid reasons why they enjoy it and are getting jumped on by the people who dislike it. People are allowed an opinion either way, but it isn't even intelligent argument anymore, it's just people insulting others because they have a disagreement.

Really makes me lose faith in the community when people get so angry over a patch.

It seems odd that criticism and the want for engaging new content is seen as some sort of grand offense to people.
If you love something you should be able to criticize it and look at it objectively.

2.0 relics started off with hunting monsters, melding materia to a weapon, going through trials, doing a dungeon, hunting more monsters, fighting three primals, and then doing a tomestone grind. It was a lot, but it was a variety linked together through a questline that made it feel like a journey to gain a weapon of power. It was also pretty much your stepping stone weapon. It gave a feeling of accomplishment.

3.0 anima is starting off with atma grind/dungeon runs. Atma is somewhat bearable since you can level alts with it and at least you can unsync run the dungeons, but there's nothing engaging. Then it's the turn in grind which, while many options are given, doesn't feel as cohesive as the 2.0 relic line did. It's just throwing you into content that you've either never touched because you didn't care or content you've ran into the ground during the content drought. Then you get a weapon that currently might be worse than your esoterics weapon.
Sure it'll get better, the 2.0 relics proved that, but with the first step of anima being all the worst parts of the 3.0 relic condensed what will the next steps bring?

And in the end, Anima isn't the main problem, it's how 3.0 and it's subsequent patches have been delivered. Anima was simply the match that lit the fuse on people's bottled up disappointment.

If you enjoy the grind more power to you, but I think there is a point where some criticism must be recognized as holding some validity.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

People are crying that they don't have any content to do but then cry when they give us something time consuming to work on. The relic isn't even difficult. In short, if people's argument is the "lack of content", they're going to get the response that actually, there is content, you just don't want to do it.

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No, there isn't any new content. I did all this stuff required by the relic weeks or months ago. I even did some of the dungeons over a year ago. I've done thousands of fates and cleared each of the required dungeons dozens of times. I've done beast tribe quests, I've done Alexander, I've done crafting. There is absolutely nothing new offered in the 3.15 relic quest.

I've not seen any argument from the "defenders" other than "I enjoy it, so there!", I've not seen any argument as to why they enjoy it. And if you're enjoying it so much... why arn't you in-game doing the "brand new, shiny interesting content"? Instead of lurking around in the forums telling people that their opinions are false and not worth anything? There shouldn't be a need for you to defend SE or the devteam, since they'll be able to see the actual numbers anyways, and if this "content" really is something that most people seem to enjoy, they'll know that without having you defending them and insulting everyone that might have a complaint.

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Originally Posted by Launched

No, there isn't any new content. I did all this stuff required by the relic weeks or months ago. I even did some of the dungeons over a year ago. I've done thousands of fates and cleared each of the required dungeons dozens of times. I've done beast tribe quests, I've done Alexander, I've done crafting. There is absolutely nothing new offered in the 3.15 relic quest.

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I didn't use the word "new". The point is, it's still something to do whether it's old content or not. It's not non-existent therefore it's "something to do."

Again to the other posters, nobody is even saying it's shiny and new. I'm not doing the content right now because of PS4 issues. Otherwise I would be enjoying it. Just leave us be and get off our backs because we don't agree with you.

Argument as to why I enjoy it? I like grinding. I can revisit Alexander with my friends. It gives me a reason to spend my laws. It gives me a goal to work towards. Are you happy now? Or is that not a good enough reason for you?

@Winterluna

It really makes me lose faith in the community when people like you outright support SE's laziness, all the while calling unsupporting players "whiners". You don't have to have a "valid" reason to like a game. I've had fun in an asia grinder for months. The game itself was trash, but doing things with friends rocked. You can't very well measure fun. But that's besides the point, since it's highly subjective.

But there's an objective way to measure content. HW is lacking in every single aspect here. 1 raid, 4 dungeons, 1 "farm raid", 3 primals. That's stuff for about a month, not for 6. I've yet to encounter any serious player complaining about the grind. Everyone complains that there nothing besides it. No story attached other than "Let's forge a weapon", no new content like the Chimera or Hydra for the original relic. It feels lackluster at best. At worst it's just the developers showing us the finger. How can you possibly defend this?

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Except most people who actually enjoy the patch are giving valid reasons why they enjoy it and are getting jumped on by the people who dislike it. People are allowed an opinion either way, but it isn't even intelligent argument anymore, it's just people insulting others because they have a disagreement.

Really makes me lose faith in the community when people get so angry over a patch.

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Its not just "one patch". This is several months in on content that many are not interested in doing, which was already showing its age even before 3.15. The minute the msq was done, we were back in idyllshire, doing the same things we were doing for tomes and turn ins. The relic was the breaking point for a lot of people when they saw that it was the same damn thing for a pittance of a reward.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Its not just "one patch". This is several months in on content that many are not interested in doing, which was already showing its age even before 3.15. The relic was the breaking point for a lot of people when they saw that it was the same damn thing for a pittance of a reward.

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That doesn't give people an automatic right to be rude and insulting to players who enjoy it.

@Adormus, I am not defending SE. I have made threads about certain aspects of the game I'm not happy with. Stop jumping to the conclusion that I'm defending them because I happen to be content with the game.

Right now you are basically trying to force your opinion on me because you are not happy. I am allowed to enjoy the game without being a 'FF fan', 'white knight' or trying to defend SE'.

I have a lot of spare time. I play FF for fun and if I wasn't enjoying myself I wouldn't play it. I don't need to justify myself to you because you have a problem with the game. Accept that people are happy with the patch, have you own opinion, and move on without jumping down people's throat.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

That doesn't give people an automatic right to be rude and insulting to players who enjoy it.

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Don't pretend the less than appropriate retorts as whiners and "wanting everything handed to them" don't exist. How IS your day, by the way?

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Don't pretend the less than appropriate retorts as whiners and "wanting everything handed to them" don't exist.

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Did I say that was acceptable too? I think not. But when people insult, they're not going to get a lovely comment in return.

I'm actually done posting here, I hope you all have a nice day. I'm having a great one thank you. Going to the cinema soon. :)

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

That doesn't give people an automatic right to be rude and insulting to players who enjoy it.

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I'll throw this right back at you, as you shouldn't have any right to insult or invalidate someone elses opinion just cause they don't agree with you. You have no right to insult people not enjoying the game, and who are giving their arguments as to why. Or are you somehow a special snowflake and the rules you keep spouting somehow doesn't aply to you yourself?

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Originally Posted by AzureFlare

How I would've done it different:
Include Crystal Tower, maybe some of Coil (unsynced?). Some actual non-specialist crafting/gathering? Heaven forbid I say it, actual exploration in Diadem over grinding monsters?

Like, we all know relic is also there to give a boost to content that isn't popular (anymore) or to help queues for things that are sort of necessary but taking really long for newer/less regular players. Relic didn't really achieve anything in that aspect.

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This is exactly my line of thinking. There is no need to grind so much of content people are already running anyway, Alex:N, but should have focused on stuff people really don't much of like CT, Coil, EX, Treasure Maps, Old Hunts. Could have even tossed MGP and PvP into the mix.

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Originally Posted by Yonanja

I'll throw this right back at you, as you shouldn't have any right to insult or invalidate someone elses opinion just cause they don't agree with you. You have no right to insult people not enjoying the game, and who are giving their arguments as to why. Or are you somehow a special snowflake and the rules you keep spouting somehow doesn't aply to you yourself?

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Except the only time I have been rude is when someone has directly been rude to myself or tried to tell me my opinion is wrong. Sorry, but im not going to play best buddies with someone talking to me like crap. Again, have a nice day, and please try to enjoy the game guys.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

This is exactly my line of thinking. There is no need to grind so much of content people are already running anyway, Alex:N, but should have focused on stuff people really don't much of like CT, Coil, EX, Treasure Maps, Old Hunts. Could have even tossed MGP and PvP into the mix.

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Honestly, out of all the things, that is the part that annoys me the most. From a scrubby designer's point of view, relic quest was never really about the player's reward, but about the player's interaction with the content (as is most stuff), especially with old and unused content. That was pretty much the beauty of the old relic past 2.0, liven up the world and the content that needed living up. And they completely missed it.

Scrubbing garbage cans is something to do too - probably more fun than the anima quest - and you don't have to pay for the privilege + exercise!

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Because people either have too much free time on their hands or they don't value it so they waste it with boring grind busywork in a game that is meant to entertain.

Humans are irrational creatures. Do not ask for a logical foundation to their behavior.

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If people really, and truly valued their free time, no one would be wasting it on video games at all. People would use that time to truly better themselves as people in their everyday lives. Please do not speak as though you are much better, as we all play this game and in that sense, we are all wasting our time.


As for everyone else, there is no amount of content that they can add that will not get stale after 1 month of being accessible. Point. Blank. Period. Hell, things get stale after you still do things after the first 10 times, I don't see how people think adding all new content to grind makes it that much better, at most it buys you a week of content feeling new before people start calling it old.

That is how fast people burn what is put out, example, Thordan Ex. If it's not beaten within a month, people cry that it's to hard and that it's time/gear gated.

If people are bored/upset, unsubscribe and go do something else. I've taken probably 9-11 months off of the game during my entire time of playing XIV, don't see why others can't do the same.