Wings instead of JUST flying mounts?

As soon as the "Lightning returns" and "<insert event with items no longer able to be obtained>" threads stop.

However, I recall at one point, dream or not but didn't we already have a scene of us flying before? I think it was well before even the Extreme primals. Sometime around when we first meet Cid?

I honestly think having wings is as much a no as fenrir flying. Tell me when has fenrir ever flown in ff. I think fenrir flying would be more lore braking. But no one seems to have a problem with that. So why do they have a problem with wings.

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

Mounts are one of the things along with pets/minions I enjoy the most in a/the game. I hate it whenever Dev's decide to nerf mounts or make them useless.

If we had wings like OP suggested nobody would bother to take a mount or use a mount, rendering them to useless.

So no thank you!!
The day that mounts would become useless will be a sad day for me. Also, it would be ashame for all the recources used to design them, not to mention the money people spent to get some of them.

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What brought you to that conclusion? Why would they need to be different from any mount already in the game? I'd sure as heck still use my other mounts. I like my other mounts.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I honestly think having wings is as much a no as fenrir flying. Tell me when has fenrir ever flown in ff. I think fenrir flying would be more lore braking. But no one seems to have a problem with that. So why do they have a problem with wings.

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Honestly for me it's less lore breaking and more that wings are obnoxious as hell in every other MMO, so they would probably be obnoxious here too.

But fenrir doesn't fly he's a wolf and wolves don't fly. I've played all the ff's that are out to date and the ones that have fenrir in it never have him flying. So please se if you don't want to put wings in this game deny the requests for fenrir to fly as well. I think it be kinda stupid and silly to see a wolf fly. Not to mention it doesn't really make any sense either.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

But fenrir doesn't fly he's a wolf and wolves don't fly. I've played all the ff's that are out to date and the ones that have fenrir in it never have him flying. So please se if you don't want to put wings in this game deny the requests for fenrir to fly as well. I think it be kinda stupid and silly to see a wolf fly. Not to mention it doesn't really make any sense either.

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Also, wings don't require months of saving up a currency / winning a very low chance lottery to buy....
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Yeah I can get why people don't want Fenrir to become "obsolete" in Heavensward areas, so I don't mind much flying Fenrir (or adamantoise).


Wings are just ugly and annoying.

I think fenrir should stay a non flying mount and so should the adamantoise doesn't matter how much you have to save to get them. I think your just being ridiculous Askaray.

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Originally Posted by Kogasan

I think fenrir should stay a non flying mount and so should the adamantoise doesn't matter how much you have to save to get them. I think your just being ridiculous Askaray.

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Then I hope you saw this in the thread that's like, right below this one:

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Originally Posted by Grekumah

Never fear, the dev. team is currently looking into giving Fenrir the ability to fly! :cool:

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So, you know

It's not just wings I want. It's the ability to travel without the use of a secondary item. Wings, wingless flight, even a sprint that's as useful as a ground mount. I've wanted this in every MMO I've played, and the one time I finally got to use it (Champions Online), it was awesome.
I don't see what the problem is so long as it's cosmetic. We have more than enough lore to support being able to travel without a mount by now. In the summoner questline I could fly with my own power. The common (non-playable) dragoon can leap as fast as a flying mount. Yet the closest I can get to not having to ride something to get around is the broomstick, which at least isn't large enough to eclipse my character.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

When will the wing requests stop...?

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Probably around the time we get them.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

we can't draw a line between Final Fantasy and Dreamland.

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What's the difference? Frankly, the more separated from reality Final Fantasy is, the neater it becomes.

And what's with all these poisonous replies? Did wings kill your father or something? Wings are awesome, of course we'd want them.

Not gonna prod the lore or mechanics reasoning, I'm just gonna be honest and say I don't want them as they'd look extremely tacky and cheap as hell no matter how well animated. Besides don't need some other reason for them to get lazy with mount designs.

A solid No to the wings, yes to maybe having a servant moogle carry me somewhere.

But what they said Aska is there looking into it that doesn't mean fenrir is going to get flying. They are just looking into the possibility. As with all possibilities they may or may not happen so don't go getting your hopes up just yet cause they could always still decide otherwise.

I really dislike everyone asking for these type of things just because "Well, there's other lore iffy choices too" Where do you draw the line? You can't just ask for anything you want and expect them to bend around to give it to you just because you wanted it. "Why not have Squall and Cloud appear leading a raid against Exdeath?" No lore against that. Mind you, we all know how silly that would be and noone asked for that but I imagine it's only a matter of time until people start asking for similar things. It's the same thing as for Fenrir and the tortoise. It would just look weird and be ill fitting as all get out. Especially with how tacky constant wings would be. Look at the wedding wings, and the Summoner LB3 wings. Those are cool, special even! When you pop that, it's a sight to see, a real show stopper. Now imagine being able to always walk around with tiny Bahamutt wings or constant wings of aether behind you. It's lame, most people would use it, and would just ruin these special moments. Not to mention there's no basis at all for flight in that matter. Hell, look at black mages, masters of Aetherial manipulaton. The best they can do is slip and slide around, and now you're saying you want every pugilist, gladiator, and dragoon to be able to fly? I just can't even begin to fathom how stupid that would be. There is a separation of story/gameplay for sure, but that's just going way too far.

In summary GIVE HALLOWED GROUND A WING EFFECT ON CAST SQUARE BUT NEVER ADD WINGS AS A CONSTANT GLAMOR PLEASE THANK YOU. /endafterworkrant

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Originally Posted by Avidria

What brought you to that conclusion? Why would they need to be different from any mount already in the game? I'd sure as heck still use my other mounts. I like my other mounts.

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Uhm either you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Or I misunderstood your second question.


What I was trying to say earlier is:
If we get wings, most people would not bother using their mounts to travel around. They would just pop their wings and travel/fly.
New players wouldn't even bother getting the questline for a chocobo, they would just wait until they can get their wings (unless it gets Gated behind a certain level limit).

So with this in mind, as a mount lover myself I find it very sad to see that all the work and design that devs put behind for creating mounts, would become a waste.

From my own experience, I started playing this game 3/4 months ago. I bought the game but I also bought Heavensward digital collectors edition so I have a Griffin.
With wings added to the game, my Griffin would become a rare sight because I would be one of the very few people who still uses their mounts to travel around.

Perhaps I am exaggerating, or maybe not. Either way, I don't want to see Wings become obsolute rendering the use of mounts to become (almost) useless.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

You said adding wings would make other mounts useless. Why?

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Already explained above.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

@edit, you explained your thoughts, not your reasoning. Why would people just abandon chocobos and mounts in favor of wings if wings acted the same as any other mount?

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I thought that it was obvious from my comments above...


To answer your question:
Because of lazyness and or convenient/easiness. Whenever a possibility arises to do certain things faster and or easier, people will do just that.

I also agree on other peoples arguments being against this lore wise etc.

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

Uhm either you misunderstood what I was trying to say. Or I misunderstood your second question.

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You said adding wings would make other mounts useless. Why? They likely wouldn't function any differently than a mount. It doesn't sound like the op, or anyone here, wants more than that. You'd just be flying with wings instead of a dragon or whatever your mount of choice is.

And it's clear from this thread that plenty of people aren't interested in wings or, in some cases, are quite strongly opposed to even having them exist. Even if they did add this, via whatever means or explanation, I seriously doubt it'd spell the end of mounts.

@edit, you explained your thoughts, not your reasoning. Why would people just abandon chocobos and mounts in favor of wings if wings acted the same as any other mount?

I mean I get why most people here don't want wings, and I see their point (lore etc.), but I don't get where this argument is coming from.

I will start by saying personally, I wouldn't care for them. So you can chalk me up to the "no" column.

That said I have issue with some of the replies and the "general opinion".

1. There is nothing wrong with adding things like wings and the like. Some people might like it and just because they would be the minority, doesn't mean they cannot get some love.

2. The lore argument is hilarious to me. Most of our mounts, some of our minions, and a number of job armors and weapons could all fall under the "lore breaking" category. Its a bit silly to say its to lore breaking to have wings as we fly off on Midgardsomr's back.... just saying.

Eh... no please, no more AION.. :(

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Originally Posted by Daranion

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I know on Summoner, one of the first things I thought of was wings, for flying, only on Summoner have I thought this though. (dreadwyrm stance, portion of power , yadda yadda.)

I don't know why people bring up "balance" when talking about flying with wings, there is absolutely 0 game play that happens around flying, it is purely traversal, and all characters/classes/jobs can do it.... Short of being lazy and not getting the currents. (oh wait, there was those one things, in beastmen quests that sneezed things into chat dialog... I guess that counts as "game play".)

Also, popping wings to fly, it could be a mount category/button. Even if it wasn't... it would still be another button.... so not like wings vs mounts has any advantage over each other... that is, in my opinion, the weakest argument against something I have ever heard. Let me be clear here, I have no opinion one way or the other. (you know why? because it has 0 to do with game play, and "immersion" is relative.)

I do know, that people bringing up Fenrir seems strange, since in FFXI, if I am remembering correctly, there was a few cut scenes where he was "floating" "hovering" over Windurst, so it isn't exactly outside of the realm of possibility, plus.... you know magic... and dragons, flying with wings seems like a weird and funky time to draw the line in the sand and say... "it isn't real enough". Let us not even get started on how all EX primals drop horses/ponies and each horse/pony is "imbued" with a fraction of that primal, somehow, that gives them glowing feet from the depths of the "aether" or w/e IDK... My point is... it just seems like a weird spot to put your foot down and say "no, enough is enough" ... maybe? no? IDK...

Also bringing up other games into an idea such as this has 0 to do with anything. You may be sick of something... doesn't mean others have even experienced it in the first place... just saying.

When flying has anything to do with game play beyond "I got to the node faster and easier." then we can talk balance issues etc..

This is, all of coarse, my opinion, so take it with a huge grain of salt.

no thx , as someone sayed a few posts before , wings should be only for special moments ^^

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

New players wouldn't even bother getting the questline for a chocobo, they would just wait until they can get their wings (unless it gets Gated behind a certain level limit).

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Its not really possible to skip your chocobo since you need to acquire it in order to ride a mount at all (from what I remember). The GC quest requires that you get your license which automatically gives you the chocobo. As for not using your chocobo, it already acts as a companion so, yeah....I also do not get where people are thinking it would fall under an ability, it would work like a typical mount function. As I said, look at your ahriman, flight could work the same way since that mount never touches the ground, so you can 'float' in ground travel areas. Honestly, having Cid make a jetpack would be cooler, but w/e.

I agree, I'm sick of these chocobos flying around like mounts, they should be fried up, turned into wings and put in a bucket for £15.99 (need gil convert kthx o/)

Well, as long as we're asking for things we aren't going to get, I want to be able to travel by using "jump" like Eistenian does in cutsceans, I want some kind of nock back skill forndragoons so I can shout "Rus Fo Dah!" Every time I send an enemy flying, and I not only want cloud's fenrir motorcycle, I want it to fly. And I want a Lazar for my Mana Cutter mount.

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Originally Posted by Daranion

You can't just ask for anything you want

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Why not? "No harm in asking."

I don't expect Yoshi to implement every suggestion on the forum. I do expect people to be respectful of others wishes and not shoot stuff down, because they wouldn't use it or it doesn't fit well with their immersion. That just seems ridiculous given everything else we have in game.

That said, I do expect people to poke holes in suggestions that don't work. Me pointing out that lore is a horrible reason to counter this, due to all the other lore-unfriendly additions we have, is me pointing out an error in others pointing an error in this suggestion.

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Originally Posted by o3o

Did you not see the 20 pages of NO WINGS when someone asked the very same question?
This isn't Aion online.
Or <Insert korean free to play game with wings and glitter and everyone and their mothers glow>

Though to be honest I thought it was funny when they tried putting in glowing armor, and nobody liked it.

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Read your post and decided to fish up the previous thread on this same topic.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ensward-Thread

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Originally Posted by BunnyHop

I thought that it was obvious from my comments above...

To answer your question:
Because of lazyness and or convenient/easiness. Whenever a possibility arises to do certain things faster and or easier, people will do just that.

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I think you're misunderstanding both what I'm asking you and what the OP is asking for. Wings would, in all likelihood and as requested by the op, act exactly the same as any other mount. They wouldn't be any faster, or more convenient. They'd be purely cosmetic.

What I was asking is why you were assuming that they wouldn't be exactly like any other mount.

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Originally Posted by AriaEnia

Eh... no please, no more AION.. :(

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People keep saying this. Did people really hate flying in Aion or something? O.o

Please NO.

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Originally Posted by Avidria

People keep saying this. Did people really hate flying in Aion or something? O.o

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Aion is Aion, FFXIV is FFXIV. You don't want people putting things like pandaren, gnome punting or quests involving you throwing bear cubs (safely) onto trampolines now, do you? If the developers start adding random things that either have no build up or just for the sake of it, it starts losing the original identity of the game being Final Fantasy, and more of a fantasy kitchen sink.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Aion is Aion, FFXIV is FFXIV. You don't want people putting things like pandaren, gnome punting or quests involving you throwing bear cubs (safely) onto trampolines now, do you?

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Wings are hardly exclusive to Aion, and Aion's flight system is absolutely nothing like flight here. I don't think asking for wings in a fantasy game is the same as asking for them to copy paste races from other mmos.

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If the developers start adding random things that either have no build up or just for the sake of it, it starts losing the original identity of the game being Final Fantasy, and more of a fantasy kitchen sink.

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Mm fair enough. Guess I'm less opposed to this since this is the only Final Fantasy game I've ever played so I know next to nothing about FF outside of 14.

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Originally Posted by KitingGenbu

The Warrior of Light is able to manipulate aether so how would using aether energy to be able to fly be a stretch?

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One time with Hydaelyns aid and tremendous power. The other two times had tremendously powerful foci to gather, manipulate and direct the aether.

Otherwise, the Warrior of Light's aether manipulation isn't shown to be particularly special.

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b25460c48...i38jo1_500.png

I don't really see an issue with Cid and the rest of Garlond cooking up something.

Maybe they're required in lieu of paratroops for some sort of mass landing of Ishgardian troops or something, I dunno. But seriously, I don't see them as lore breaking. We have miniature cats that somehow manage to make functional aether-wings.

I'd prefer personal Jet Pack made by Cid over wings.

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Originally Posted by BigBossCL

I don't really see an issue with Cid and the rest of Garlond cooking up something.
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No one understands how the cats fly. And any attempts to do so are met with a furious flurry of punching and scratching. Not to mention gaelicats have made previous appearances in the franchise, and having them fly rather than full sized humans (or potatoes) is less ridiculous looking.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

No one understands how the cats fly. And any attempts to do so are met with a furious flurry of punching and scratching. Not to mention gaelicats have made previous appearances in the franchise, and having them fly rather than full sized humans (or potatoes) is less ridiculous looking.

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Gaelicats are also the spawn of Satan.
Do YOU want to fly the same way those things do?

Didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

No one understands how the cats fly. And any attempts to do so are met with a furious flurry of punching and scratching. Not to mention gaelicats have made previous appearances in the franchise, and having them fly rather than full sized humans (or potatoes) is less ridiculous looking.

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I'm going to go out on a limb and say it has something to do with the fabric wings and vest that they have.

I also don't think a person with a wingpack is going to look any less "ridiculous" than flying Magitek Armor and Fat Chocobos.

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Originally Posted by BigBossCL

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it has something to do with the fabric wings and vest that they have.

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Except that's not how it works, or if it's even fabric. The matter of fact is no one even knows why the damned cats evne have it in the first place, other than the possible explanations that they are voidsents/demons or literally the spawn of the seven hells/Satan.

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Originally Posted by BigBossCL

I also don't think a person with a wingpack is going to look any less "ridiculous" than flying Magitek Armor and Fat Chocobos.

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Because mechanical mounts can't be augmented to fly. Not to mention fat chocobos have always been a nonsensical thing, most people are willing to accept that they (since chocobos can also fly) are able to fly, let alone run at the speed they are. There's lines and willing suspensions that need to be made somewhere, otherwise we might as well let pigs and gigantoads fly (which even the game itself quips at beause giganpole can fly, and somehow lose this abilty after spawning legs, but no one wants flying gigantoads)

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Originally Posted by BigBossCL;3477326

But that's still not Final Fantasy, right gaiz?

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Except we aren't that race now, are we?

And then we have this http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120703195724.

But that's still not Final Fantasy, right gaiz?

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

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its all opinion either way, and not in the least gamebreaking.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Because mechanical mounts can't be augmented to fly. Not to mention fat chocobos have always been a nonsensical thing, most people are willing to accept that they (since chocobos can also fly) are able to fly, let alone run at the speed they are. There's lines and willing suspensions that need to be made somewhere, otherwise we might as well let pigs and gigantoads fly (which even the game itself quips at beause giganpole can fly, and somehow lose this abilty after spawning legs, but no one wants flying gigantoads)

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Whoever said that these wings wouldn't be mechanical in nature? Why so vehemently against something that's literally not immersion breaking in...the... slightest.

I still like the idea of wings in this game. I wouldn't even mind a glamor piece with some draconic wings. A mount works great too, and could be a cool feature - to have a 'wings' mount that you put on the characters back that enables them to fly. Mechanic, Draconic (Heavensward theme fitting), Angelic, Aetheric.... Man, I'd only use those wings if they were in the game. It'd look so much better than most of these mounts we have.

Saw someone mentioning an Ishgardian Paratrooper regiment.

If an air ship flew over, especially at decent speed, then the Goblin Glider Packs (Sized up as needed) would actually work perfectly well for a HALO jump into enemy territory.

Would be very similar to the "Squirrel Suits" that modern soldiers occasionally use on Earth.

And While it'd be an enjoyable novelty for a while, I'd ultimately start using my chocobo again just because I keep him on my Cross Bar 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

I still like the idea of wings in this game. I wouldn't even mind a glamor piece with some draconic wings.

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Coil bodies give everyone 'a wing' dont they?

i'm okay with Aether or mechanical wing mounts. not okay with feather/leather wings.