Is this all you people care about?

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Aaaaaand the crux of the mater shows up.
You're mad that everything is become more excess-able to the masses and catering to a wider audience then just the select niche you fall under.

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Oh I'm sorry... I forgot that in a game you had to actually do stuff to get stuff.

Gee. Silly me for thinking back at all those puzzles, challenging bosses, stat allocations, equipment setups and their special effects vs enemy weaknesses.

Whoops. I must have really forgotten that I'm just a douche bag elitest who wants to have things, so other people can't have them.

Yup that must be it.

As for the argument of different set ups only gives the "illusion of choice". I played a WAR/THF back in FFXI when WAR/NIN was the flavour of the month and I rocked that.

I played a Frost DK in WoW back when Unholy was the go to, and I rocked it.

The number crunchers can say all the crap they want about whats optimal, but when there is choice, there is still choice and there is always room for improvement.

Yeah it is, there was a guy complaining the other day about diadem being worthless because you cant glamour the gear, lets just ignore the fact diadem made all gear obsolete.
The forums are a cesspool for casuals who RP or only care about glamour. Run while you can

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

cranky sounding stuff.

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And ranting on the forums for ONE video game that has little impact on the western entertainment meta does nothing to further your point. Your being argumentative and negative, the game is meant to be enjoyed in numerous fashions and some of them entail collecting and sharing achievements. It's not hurting you. There are LOTS of players who participate in varying areas of the forums and or never deal with glamour. You're having a super strong case of confirmation bias.

Just enjoy the game the way you want to, if people doing that for themselves upsets you... Well, you might want to consider not using the Internet. I personally don't watch television because it bores me. Makes great nap time background sound though.

I can make you a list of mmos that don't have glamour, collectible mounts, or the other features you seem casual, if that'll make your day better. :) I've played a lot.

Yo Square where that Star Wars event at

Glamour is part of end game least for crafters why else would they put a item that sole purpose is nothing but glamour as a level 60 2 star recipe.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Open World PVP (probably a terrible idea but fathomable)

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To Improve PvP game balance, the ability Cleric Stance will no longer be usable

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Guess healers are going to have to start carrying around INT accessories and Keeper's Hymns because the only time you'll be able to any damage to anything is in instances. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In all seriousness, I love PvP, but they need to tune the old stuff first.

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Originally Posted by Selli

Guess healers are going to have to start carrying around INT accessories and Keeper's Hymns because the only time you'll be able to any damage to anything is in instances. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In all seriousness, I love PvP, but they need to tune the old stuff instead of throwing new stuff at us.

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The only actual "new" content we've gotten since ARR has been Diadem and Lords of Verminion. Everything else is just a reskinned clone. Hunts. Tomes. Pointless raids.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

Whoops. I must have really forgotten that I'm just a douche bag

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That's ok we all forget things sometimes

I like how you complain about all the glamor/vanity threads, yet you spent 10+ on that hairstyle. You're a pretty cool guy.

I 100% agree with OP on some of this stuff.

I want to improve the job and role I play I don't even care if I have to spend days or weeks if it means I can get an item that will improve me.

Right now all we have is the item levels which mean nothing not because of the diadem but because we will have higher item level gear in 3.2 at this point they mind as well save us the trouble and just give us items to increase the item lvl and stats on our AF2 gear instead of designing new tome gear.


I don't know why people would pay a sub just to play dress up.

Pretty much the only community rep posts web gotten is about glamour.

There's a lot of good ideas for content on the forums but they barely get threw because of the language barrier.

OP - is this your first day in the forum?

We have daily threads about broken this, imbalanced that, obsolete content here, underdeveloped endgame there. Maybe you should make one of those instead of a meta-thread that takes space from a more targeted issue.

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Oh I'm sorry... I forgot that in a game you had to actually do stuff to get stuff.

Gee. Silly me for thinking back at all those puzzles, challenging bosses, stat allocations, equipment setups and their special effects vs enemy weaknesses.

Whoops. I must have really forgotten that I'm just a douche bag elitest who wants to have things, so other people can't have them.

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When did I ever say that you should get stuff for free?
Or that you are "a douche bag elitist who wants to have things, so other people can't have them"?
I just said that everything is being more excess-able so more people can play.
Sadly, catering to a select group of "Hardcore" players just isn't equitable for companies.
I can understand wanting more in-depth game play but taking out your frustration over gaming companies trying to cater more people and going on an anti-casual-gamer rant just doesn't help your case one bit.

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The only actual "new" content we've gotten since ARR has been Diadem and Lords of Verminion. Everything else is just a reskinned clone. Hunts. Tomes. Pointless raids.

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You are missing my point. My point is you can't take something that's kind of broken for 3/13 of the jobs in the game and throw it into the open world. I'd much rather see PvP get the changes it needs and deserves than see them add a "new" version.

And open world PvP isn't new either. It just happens to not exist in this MMO.

What's the point of this thread? I mean really, what are you actually trying to accomplish here? If it's a thread to piss and moan we have a dozen of those a day. If you're trying to call out the playerbase for being casual or even pants on head stupid we see a dozen of those a day too. If this is just to say people like things you don't likethere are a ton of those as well. I'm just trying to figure out what the rationale is behind it all because it doesn't go anywhere besides a flame war or a circlejerk.

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Half the threads I see here are people asking for glamour, asking for mounts, asking for Lightning Returns, returns, returns again. Asking for Star Wars cross over events. Kingdom Hearts.

Asking for more NPC glamour. Asking for mounts to fly.

Is this game seriously Fashion Fantasy 14? Is that all these casuals care about is playing dress up with dolly?

Glamour is great but come on seriously. Is that ALL the community is concerned with?

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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/65134612.jpg

Just because you can't compete in the fashion meta doesn't mean you gotta go around soiling yourself over it.

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I 100% agree with OP on some of this stuff.

I want to improve the job and role I play I don't even care if I have to spend days or weeks if it means I can get an item that will improve me.

Right now all we have is the item levels which mean nothing not because of the diadem but because we will have higher item level gear in 3.2 at this point they mind as well save us the trouble and just give us items to increase the item lvl and stats on our AF2 gear instead of designing new tome gear.

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I've started leveling alt classes since levels don't get outdated. I used to spend a significant amount of time gearing my character and spent weekends raiding, but I don't even actively pursue gear anymore since I know catch up gear and uncapped tomestones will all be easier to get in the next patch. It doesn't surprise me that people like their cosmetic upgrades because in 3 months, their glamour will be just as viable, it just needs to be slapped onto a +2 Cuirass of Striking. Maybe people will be less interested in playing dress up when the gear itself has more interesting qualities than what visual glamour you can slap over it.

I'm a casual and an unapologetic glamour addict. I love the glamour community in XIV because it's generally positive and uplifting, unlike my experiences with the raiding community. Putting together unique outfits stretches the limits of player creativity in a way that no other facet of the game does - since houses are limited to a small fraction of the community and everyone more or less has to play the same outside of it.

Plus $15/month for virtual fashions is a heck of a lot cheaper than what real life fashion would cost me.

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I love the glamour community in XIV because it's generally positive and uplifting, unlike my experiences with the raiding community.

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More to the point... Looking at the "new posts" feed, the only thread on page 1 talking about glamor is this one. There's several threads talking about balance issues. It's not like we're getting spammed here.

(I'd still like a link to star wars and KH glamor threads the OP claims exist ：P)

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There were plenty of threads on how to fix content, and then 99% of them get ignored and only the ones regarding minions, mounts, and whatever else get answered. What do you expect? People get demotivated after they see they aren't being responded to.

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couldn't agree more!

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Plus $15/month for virtual fashions is a heck of a lot cheaper than what real life fashion would cost me.

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And in the majority of cases, it looks better on the wearer as well.

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Half the threads I see here are people asking for glamour, asking for mounts, asking for Lightning Returns, returns, returns again. Asking for Star Wars cross over events. Kingdom Hearts.

Asking for more NPC glamour. Asking for mounts to fly.

Is this game seriously Fashion Fantasy 14? Is that all these casuals care about is playing dress up with dolly?

Glamour is great but come on seriously. Is that ALL the community is concerned with?

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Uhm... what do you think "hardcore" players are also doing all that raiding for? The gear they are getting is basically glamour gear as well.. Nice try putting one set of eggs into one basket though.

It's not the main concern but I do admit glamour is an enjoyable aspect because I don't end up looking just like everyone else. Personally I'd rather forgo all the "return" or "bring back" just because I'd rather see new or interesting content and before anyone attacks me, I've missed some events and I don't care about them cus guess what, I wasn't here for it.

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And in the majority of cases, it looks better on the wearer as well.

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Very true. Katarh's figure is 1000x better than mine.

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Gaming has seriously gone to crap when Minecraft is one of the most popular games out there.

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Sounds like your issue is more with society.

Sorry but the world doesn't cater to only you. Everyone has different interests.

I actually like Minecraft because it's a nice creative tool that's also social. In case you didn't know the "casual" market is huge. Square Enix is a business. If you stop playing because thousands of "casuals" find enjoyment in glamour, then SE (nor anyone else) is going to give a crap

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(I'd still like a link to star wars and KH glamor threads the OP claims exist ：P)

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There was one last night that was locked by page 3. I can't find it by running a quick search, so maybe it was deleted.

As for OP, <insert 'why not both' meme here>. Why does it even matter if half of the threads are about glamour things? There's plenty of other discussion going on about all the things you're talking about wanting. Also, don't forget that General Discussion is not the only place people post.

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(I'd still like a link to star wars and KH glamor threads the OP claims exist ：P)

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Event-Please

:D

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Yes, sorry for being so "Casual" snip?

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Sorry at work, just finished edit. please review on page 3

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When I say casuals. As I said, I mean the Bejewelled, Flappy Bird, Angry Birds, Minecraft crowd. Those casuals. The pay microtransactions for everything, to unlock some special little thing, instant gratification crowd. The ones who just want to log in and be like "Look at me I'm a shiny bad ass guy with a sword. I dont give a damn about Final Fantasy lore or lolelitesttooltips

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See, I really love Minecraft and I've been known to play Bejeweled on occasion, but I also enjoy this game's lore along with pvp and raiding. What's that make me?

Sweeping generalizations don't make for a very good argument.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Event-Please

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Hmm. 4 likes, and many more likes to the posts saying "no". Not exactly a popular thread.

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When did I ever say that you should get stuff for free?
Or that you are "a douche bag elitist who wants to have things, so other people can't have them"?
I just said that everything is being more excess-able so more people can play.
Sadly, catering to a select group of "Hardcore" players just isn't equitable for companies.
I can understand wanting more in-depth game play but taking out your frustration over gaming companies trying to cater more people and going on an anti-casual-gamer rant just doesn't help your case one bit.

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I wasn't aware that fundamental RPG elements were considered "Hardcore".

Companies trying to cater to more people. Eg milk more money is just another example of the art metas destruction. Just like Justin Bieber, Just like Honey Boo Boo and just like Ancient Aliens. Catering to the mindless masses.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE glamour.

But glamour is NOT gameplay. Why should I even bother upgrading my gear when it will be worthless and easily replaceable within a couple of months? Why should I bother learning my rotation when the accepted community standard is mediocrity at best.

I have NEVER played a game where I've sat AFK in the middle of a city for so long doing nothing.

End game is basically pointless. Coil was interesting. It felt like yeah maybe this is going some where. Maybe this gear is worth something. Then coil 2 came out, Ok ill go with it. Then coil 3.. its getting sort of repetetive. Then Alexander, and its the exact same thing reskinned and I wont even bother with it.

Nobody seems to care about the lack of actual content in this game. You can argue you can lvl alts, you can craft, you can gather. In EVERY other MMO I've EVER played, crafting, gathering and leveling an alt is side stuff. Not the meat of the game.


http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...I-glamor-items

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rakengard-Nier

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...be-Mount-Music

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ve-us-Doge-Day

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-Glamour-Guide

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...T-YOUR-SELFIES

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...your-Elezen%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...sels-need-work.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...5-Auditions%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Event-Please

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...6-Krile-s-Robe

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-..-please%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...elm-of-Fending

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-Tribe-Quests

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...infilia-Attire

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Glamour-System

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...yeable-options

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-your-au-ra%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...y-Ears-for-Men

20+ threads within 4 pages dedicated to Glamour/Vanity.

So obviously Glamour is more important to the community than Puzzles, Meaningful Challenges, Quests, Story, Skill Mastery.

MMO forums used to be littered with stat builds, equipment guides.

None of that is here. None of it will be because all anyone wants is Bunny ears for Men and Lightnings outfit

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Hmm. 4 likes, and many more likes to the posts saying "no". Not exactly a popular thread.

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Yup - but that's the thread that had been mentioned - I couldn't find the KH one, though o_O
I'm kind of neutral on the idea of SW event... though it would seem kind of out of place x.x

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Yup - but that's the thread that had been mentioned - I couldn't find the KH one, though o_O
I'm kind of neutral on the idea of SW event... though it would seem kind of out of place x.x

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Yeah despite the scifi elements in this game, I don't think the tone would mesh very well.

Probably because asking for better features, changes to existing, different design choices for endgame and dungeons... etc etc, anything that'll be bigger than adding some new glamours (and even then) is usually ignored or met with #server/data/ps3 limitations, maybe a "looking into it" if lucky, which usually ends in nothing.

Just an observation of course.

Edit; Now I've read responses, I'm glad to know more than a few also see this as a (not the) reason why more meaningful requests don't appear.

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Half the threads I see here are people asking for glamour, asking for mounts, asking for Lightning Returns, returns, returns again. Asking for Star Wars cross over events. Kingdom Hearts.

Asking for more NPC glamour. Asking for mounts to fly.

Is this game seriously Fashion Fantasy 14? Is that all these casuals care about is playing dress up with dolly?

Glamour is great but come on seriously. Is that ALL the community is concerned with?

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what forums are you reading

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what forums are you reading

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To be fair, there have been a number of Lightning Returns threads.

But to be fairer, there's constantly balance and endgame discussion threads. Hey there's even a PVP balance thread going on right now. So yeah I don't get where "ALL the community is concerned with" comes from.

Edit to counter the OP's edit:
here's a list of new posts at the time of this edit:
http://i.imgur.com/LdrYKeA.png

Yep, so much glamor discussion...

The Star Wars thread was half assed/joking btw. I would never expect them to cross franchises like that lol

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Yup - but that's the thread that had been mentioned - I couldn't find the KH one, though o_O
I'm kind of neutral on the idea of SW event... though it would seem kind of out of place x.x

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This was the thread it was part of
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Event-Please

This thread is a hot mess.

I dunno, I spent a good chunk of last evening trying to find the best color combination for this MNK getup.

http://i.imgur.com/ebh8vAF.jpg

Official party functions like Thordan EX is still for the NIN for now, but the idea of switching depends on a lot of things. Thankfully, glamour isn't one of them. :)

http://i.imgur.com/4jLPyFa.jpg