Why does White Mage feel so bland?

As a result, I feel that the trend we've seen of WHMs moving to AST will continue. I agree that in the spur of the moment, I opted for using critical values versus base (1750 is a lot less than 3500), but my original point of the amount of utility both classes have (debuffs and buffs), versus just raw DPS, is lackluster. And because of the utility that both AST and SCH have to offer, I worry that WHM will no longer be relevant in endgame progression, and it will be difficult to be able to LFG (especially with this large investment that some of us have put into the class).

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Originally Posted by Gist

less rewarding for the effort input than the other two healers

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Are you joking me? Thats AST's motto 3 hours ago.

AST got a few potency buff and a decent healing cool down and WHM is suddenly not relevant in endgame progression. Please stop. WHM did perfectly fine before this patch and they will continue to be perfectly fine.

You have to realize that before the patch AST is simply not an option for most groups, now after the patch, AST is simply a viable option and no more. No one is going to say no to a healer class that can heal well, AST was a healer class that could NOT heal well.

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Originally Posted by Gist

most healers play white mage, and that's not deniable given the simplicity of the class.

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1) CNJ/WHM is the only healing class available at level 1. SCH is unlocked at level 30 and AST requires you to have a level 50+ that has completed 2.55
2) You need to get WHM to level 34 to get Stoneskin, which is needed on both the other healing classes as well as PLD.
3) This game has the ability to level multiple classes/jobs on one character.

I missed the letter myself (so forgive the ignorance, those who have seen it and have more context about the photo than I), but any of those 3 things can skew the numbers if not taken into consideration. The picture has no indication of this, so I'm just going to assume they have not. [EDIT] Even if this only includes jobs that are at level 60, I have all 3 healers at 60 myself, but I only ever play 2.

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Originally Posted by DawnSolaria

You have to realize that before the patch AST is simply not an option for most groups, now after the patch, AST is simply a viable option and no more. No one is going to say no to a healer class that can heal well, AST was a healer class that could NOT heal well.

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Well maybe the elitist number crunchers will.

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Originally Posted by Selli

1) CNJ/WHM is the only healing class available at level 1. SCH is unlocked at level 30 and AST requires you to have a level 50+ that has completed 2.55
2) You need to get WHM to level 34 to get Stoneskin, which is needed on both the other healing classes as well as PLD.
3) This game has the ability to level multiple classes/jobs on one character.

I missed the letter myself (so forgive the ignorance, those who have seen it and have more context about the photo than I), but any of those 3 things can skew the numbers if not taken into consideration. The picture has no indication of this, so I'm just going to assume they have not. [EDIT] Even if this only includes jobs that are at level 60, I have all 3 healers at 60 myself, but I only ever play 2.

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Stoneskin is most certainly "not" needed on bother healers, SCH can easily get away with never having to due to aldo being miles ahead better in most situations. Stoneskins nerf pretty much made it cost more then it's worth to use, during battle at least.

Well, I can see where OP is coming from and even agree to some extent; I don't think it's an end of the world sort of situation though. I mean, seems to me the most notable things whm has is holy, cure 3, assize and maybe even aero 3. Ast got some more unique stuff like disable, synastry and the various card buffs (even if those buffs are of questionable effectiveness compared to selene).

Also, not sure if anyone has mentioned yet, but Whm is still the only healer that brings the mind bonus. And even if it's not traited, you still get another eye for an eye (and virus, though that's less notable really).

Also, also, talk about healer dps, but in a meta where one healer does the bulk of the healing ( that being the whm in whm/sch parties), I'm now wondering how things would play if astrologian could handle the bulk of the healing as whm did before on top of possibly upping party dps even when they're not dpsing.

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Originally Posted by Gist

most healers play white mage, and that's not deniable given the simplicity of the class

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If WHM is so "simple", why do 90% of WHMs suck so bad at playing the job (poor mana management, inability to stance dance without people dying, not using powerful CDs like POM or divine seal to name a few things I see frequently). Just because there are a lot of WHMs doesn't make them decent at it. IMO, SCH is far simpler. They get to dps while the WHM carries the bulk of the healing and their pet does their work for them. Don't get me started on AST tunnel vision messing with cards. Behind every good SCH/AST is an even better WHM.

But anyway, I stopped taking you seriously the moment you talked about not dpsing as a healer. Maybe that's why you are bored which will only get worse if you switch to SCH and expect to just heal. Good luck doing any real end game progression without contributing some healer dps.

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Originally Posted by echoica

and their pet does their work for them.

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While I agree with you on everything else, please don't spread this kind of nonsense. It is like saying SMN is easier than BLM because Garuda-egi does all the work for them.

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If WHM is so "simple", why do 90% of WHMs suck so bad at playing the job (poor mana management, inability to stance dance without people dying, not using powerful CDs like POM or divine seal to name a few things I see frequently). Just because there are a lot of WHMs doesn't make them decent at it.

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Are you serious? this can be said of ANY job, regardless of simplicity, Some people simply aren't good at this game, No matter the job. WHM is of no exception, as unlike other jobs it may be simple by design but it requires you to fully pay attention and have high awarness, which most avarage people lack.

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IMO, SCH is far simpler. They get to dps while the WHM carries the bulk of the healing and their pet does their work for them. Don't get me started on AST tunnel vision messing with cards. Behind every good SCH/AST is an even better WHM.

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Wrong again... to get that "dps while healing" movement going, requires SCH to understand the job and know WHEN to do it, without letting people die in the process. and fairy healing is so little if you even attempt to let your fairy do "all the work" you'll find a very angry group, as they will be dead shortly after.

"messing with cards" IS how AST works. what the hell are you talking about, ARE you sure you're talking about the same jobs?

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But anyway, I stopped taking you seriously the moment you talked about not dpsing as a healer. Maybe that's why you are bored which will only get worse if you switch to SCH and expect to just heal. Good luck doing any real end game progression without contributing some healer dps.

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Based on what you just said i have a hard time taking YOU seriously..

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While I agree with you on everything else, please don\\'t spread this kind of nonsense. It is like saying SMN is easier than BLM because Garuda-egi does all the work for them.

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Actually that's not even remotely what I'm saying. The expectation for raiding SCHs (the good ones anyway) is to max dps and spam fairy heals on tanks. How is that not fair to say the fairy is doing the healing for you? Besides dungeons being face roll to the point you barely drop clerics as a SCH. The fairy carries the heals. Not nonsense. And not an insult to being a SCH so don't take it as such. It's how the job plays :P

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Actually that's not even remotely what I'm saying. The expectation for raiding SCHs (the good ones anyway) is to max dps and spam fairy heals on tanks. How is that not fair to say the fairy is doing the healing for you? Besides dungeons being face roll to the point you barely drop clerics as a SCH. The fairy carries the heals. Not nonsense. And not an insult to being a SCH so don't take it as such. It's how the job plays :P

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Fairy spam is basically a manual regen. In that sense, it is like saying that regen is doing the WHM work. Only without manually using it, so it is even easier.

People still overestimate how much the fairy heals now. 1.4k heals every 3 seconds is not even enough to keep up a tank taking only auto attacks in progression content.

White mage is on a weird situation right now with AST having the exact same base healing toolkit that uses less mp.

Cure I : 400 potency 442 mp
Benefic I : 400 potency 352 mp

Cure II : 650 potency
Benefic II : 650 potency 795 mp

Medica I : 300 potency 1237 mp
Helios : 300 potency 1060 mp
Assize : 300 potency 0 mp (more often used to restore mp and deal dps than actual healing)

Medica II : 200 potency, 50 potency HoT 20y range 1502 mp
Aspected Helios : 200 potency, 40 potency HoT 15y range 1326 mp
Collective Unconscious : 200 potency HoT, self service 0 mp (-10% dmg included)

Regen : 150 potency HoT 618 mp
Aspected Benefic : 190 potency 140 potency HoT 707 mp

Tetragrammaton : 700 potency 0 mp
Essential dignity : 400~1000 potency 0 mp

In combat, stoneskin spam is easier for astrologian since lightspeed allows them to instantly cast it at lower mp cost.

DPS wise currently astrologian has it easier. They don't have to turn cleric stance a single time to get ~400 dps since a spread balance/arrow buffs everyone by ~50 dps everytime is used, to add up, astrologian is a dot dps whose dots don't require accuracy so if they turn cleric on, they simply need to flash it for a couple of seconds.

I honestly have no idea what yoshida wants white mages to be now, are we supposed to dps? If so why are we the only healer job that has accuracy issues? Are we supposed to be the aoe/burst healer? Then why every single skill astrologian has now is the same thing as white mage?

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Probably seems there are less bad SCHs because WHM there is much less room for error then if you are on SCH with fairy support. So when a WHM is bad it's much more painfully obvious and mistakes much less forgivable. This is very clear in a serious raid progression group where the WHM carries the bulk of healing while the SCH dps.

Like don't misunderstand what I'm saying here (which I think you have). I love SCH and I'm not hating on it at all. I've raided as both WHM and SCH. I choose to play WHM in raid more often though because it's a bigger challenge solo healing hard content while your counterpart gets to balls out dps. My point is that WHM is not simple as was stated. And most definitely not dead to end game. That is my point.

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Originally Posted by Gist

It's not that WHM as a class is underpowered (Benediction, Asylum), but rather, less rewarding for the effort input than the other two healers, and I think that over time, this ... mechanical gap will only widen, due to this being the simplest healing class. However, with recent changes, people are going to get more bang for their buck by playing AST (not only because it's shiny and new, but because it also has unique utility that WHM currently doesn't offer). The tools that WHM has to heal are dwarfed in comparison to the amount that both other classes have to keep their parties alive (2 kits rather than 1).

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No offense here but it seems you are primarily a crafter, haven't even unlocked AST or SCH, haven't even stepped foot into coil and are trying to tell people about the healing meta in hardcore endgame content yet have zero experience in the matter. WHM will be absolutely fine for your Alex NM and Lvl 60 dungeon runs. You have nothing to worry about. Promise. And whm is just fine as a class and within the endgame healing meta. I can absolutely say without a doubt that the "I'm a healer and I don't feel like dpsing" rhetoric will instantly disqualify you from savage level content until it's out geared or nerfed because once you get to this point it becomes "about the team" and not "what I feel like" and for every healer that "doesn't feel like it" there is a healer who DOES feel like it ready to take your spot.

Casuals with their crying thing every time a class get buff. Listen up Maggots and learn:
1. All healing class now can Single heal properly, this make all healing class able to be part of a raid instead of not wanted because cant single heal well.

2. learn the Pros and cons of the classes and what Yoshi intend with it. Like: WHM = AOE Heal and Hot AOE King / SCH = Shield Healing Class with double healing (pet) / AST = buffer type healing.

When you learn this you can call yourself non casual. WHM will still be viable because he has and its still the Best Aoe healer out there. SCH shield Still superior to AST because 1 critical it can double the shield protection while AST CANT do that, can spam that shield every time aetherflow is up and wala MANA back (make ast throw him spear card on it and that aetherflow will be ready before you even know it again). AST is the king of buffing and no other class should be better at it.

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Originally Posted by echoica

Probably seems there are less bad SCHs because WHM there is much less room for error then if you are on SCH with fairy support. So when a WHM is bad it's much more painfully obvious and mistakes much less forgivable. This is very clear in a serious raid progression group where the WHM carries the bulk of healing while the SCH dps.

Like don't misunderstand what I'm saying here (which I think you have). I love SCH and I'm not hating on it at all. I've raided as both WHM and SCH. I choose to play WHM in raid more often though because it's a bigger challenge solo healing hard content while your counterpart gets to balls out dps. My point is that WHM is not simple as was stated. And most definitely not dead to end game. That is my point.

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Fair enough, But WHM is a burst healer, this is why WHM+SCH works so well, because the SCH is able to fully utilize their job DPS+Healing+ reducing incoming damage while whm does thiers (full burst healing) You made it sound like both jobs required little effort. and is the easiest to play. The biggest challenge to WHM imo at least is MP mangement, All that power comes with a price, Faster MP usage. and unlike sch we don't have aether flow to give a large chunk back every minute. as well as an ability that also absorbs MP, ours is only 90 seconds and the mp regen is 120 seconds

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Probably seems there are less bad SCHs because WHM there is much less room for error then if you are on SCH with fairy support. So when a WHM is bad it's much more painfully obvious and mistakes much less forgivable. This is very clear in a serious raid progression group where the WHM carries the bulk of healing while the SCH dps.

Like don't misunderstand what I'm saying here (which I think you have). I love SCH and I'm not hating on it at all. I've raided as both WHM and SCH. I choose to play WHM in raid more often though because it's a bigger challenge solo healing hard content while your counterpart gets to balls out dps. My point is that WHM is not simple as was stated. And most definitely not dead to end game. That is my point.

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Except that whm dps is better in a3s than sch, so sch solo healing with whm dpsing with accuracy melded accessorries is a perfectly viable strategy.

I promised I wouldn't post anything, but this thread has so many problems I couldn't resist. AST got two kinds of changes this patch: actual buffs and some changes to shut up bad players who were crying all the time for nothing. Aspected Helios lost 40 overall potency in Diurnal and imo it was adjusted to show big numbers on the screen during the burst; bad players will feel like they're healing more, but in the end it will not be the case. I would like a range increase more than what we got, but the potency lost is not big, so I don't mind it. I personally don't believe the potency increase for Benefic and Benefic II was needed, since the permanent speed buff we get in Diurnal made them as efficient as Cure/Physick; I'm not going to complain, though. Anyway, I don't believe that the increase is going to make WHM useless, since Divine Seal is a pure healing cooldown, while we have to burn Synastry to get increased potency. It was a smart move, imo.

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I promised I wouldn't post anything, but this thread has so many problems I couldn't resist. AST got two kinds of changes this patch: actual buffs and some changes to shut up bad players who were crying all the time for nothing. Aspected Helios lost 40 overall potency in Diurnal and imo it was adjusted to show big numbers on the screen during the burst; bad players will feel like they're healing more, but in the end it will not be the case.

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...that's a very nice theory, but I think it far more likely that they adjusted the HoT potency on Aspected Helios almost entirely because of the massive potency increase they gave Aspected Benefic's HoT. They probably don't want Aspected Helios in Diurnal to be virtually the same overall potency as WHM's Medica II given the other buffs just released for AST.

As for the potency buffs for Benefic and Benefic II, I was rather surprised to see them. Not because of Diurnal's speed buff (still next-to-useless from a healing standpoint), but because I believe that the base potencies weren't the issue. I can only guess that they're taking the simplest fixes they think they can get away with and hoping that the slight potency boost and the change to Synastry will reduce the demand for more healing CDs.

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I think they adjusted Aspected Benefic's HoT potency to make it more MP worthy. As it was, it was not a good spell to keep up, since the HoT didn't allow you to not spam Benefic in most cases; now you can save some MP by keeping it up. The change in Asp. Helios was a "potency replacement" (if that's a thing): they took 100 combined potency from the HoTs and added 60 potency to the burst (40 potency loss); in hps, it's the same as Medica II, because Asp. Helios has a shorter cast (even without the speed bonus), so the difference remains in the range. Imo, it was a nerf; a barely noticeable nerf, but one that will show bigger burst numbers and will make a lot of people happy. I still believe that most changes were "political", but we got some very nice buffs. The only thing I'm still missing is the ability to change sects during combat, but since I'm paired with a SCH and with the CU buff, I wouldn't use it much anyways, so it's all good.

Now back to the main topic: WHM is anything but bland and useless now. It "lost" some of its OPness because ASTs got buffed, so the gap (which was not that large to begin with, imo) was filled. They're still the AoE healing beasts and Divine Seal remains as a very nice signature move that can't be matched by any other in the game. I do believe they could get some love in the DPS department by rearranging the potency from their DoTs, so they won't miss (maybe give Aero a trait and turn Aero III into a pure AoE DoT?), but that's not a big deal with melded accessories, as someone stated here. I'm happy that they're allowing parties to do multiple strategies, like having a WHM dps while a SCH/AST heals, and vice versa.

Well, as i said before a bunch of times.
Instead of creating an unique job they decided to turn it into a hybrid....
Good luck balancing this now SE :)
But honestly.
AST does have reduced MP usage BUT, the only MP regen tool they have is LA on a 120s CD.
And an unreliable RNG card.
SCHs have their infinite MP management.
and WHM has Assize AND shroud.
And, really, WHM still is the king of healz, stop crying over nothing please.
AST needed some buffs, and they got it, go play your job and be happy with it no one's going to replace you.
ugh.
ONE OTHER THING.
You don't need "reasons" to stay with your job, all you need to do is to have fun with it, WHM will aways have their place in the game.
Again, WHMs are crying over nothing, just let dem astros be happy because they deserve it.

WHM has always felt bland to me, reason I leveled AST and wanted to main AST from the moment I hit 60 lol. Why say that now that AST has gotten fixes and not before they did? Is it just because they got fixed now that you feel the job is bland now? The Sects were there from the start pre-fix so I don't know why come up with this conclusion now, only because AST is competitive now.

AST
Proshell

Potency was really the only saving grace. To be fair its still early though. Oh, and hey its not bland. You can do things no other healer can do!!! Ya know, things like um... Fluid Aura... And.... Um... Uh... Repose. Yeah! WHM isn't bland /sarcasm.

Idk, I'm not particularly worried, while I would prefer to main WHM I find AST to be fun. If push comes to shove I'll just switch mains.

PS: no supervirus / disable functionality for WHM :(

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2. learn the Pros and cons of the classes and what Yoshi intend with it. Like: WHM = AOE Heal and Hot AOE King

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This is no longer true given the potency adjustments.

But perhaps it's a good thing that WHMs will be phased out. It'll boost numbers towards other classes in that pie, and diversity is always good.

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Except that whm dps is better in a3s than sch, so sch solo healing with whm dpsing with accuracy melded accessorries is a perfectly viable strategy.

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I dont think I agree with this for a variety of reasons (I'm currently on a3s prog). SCH dps weaving in energy drains is not only mana efficient but also very effective. WHM would have to spam stone 3 to match that and would deplete their mana very quickly rendering them useless in both healing &dps pretty quickly. Not only that but the shared cleave dmg & aoe going out in a3s is easier on WHM to top because divine seal med 2 and SCH aoe healing cd. And for SCH to blow regen they would need to use eos to buff solo healing dropping raid dps (no Selene). Sure it can be a strategy but I don't think it's optimal. I think maybe more viable for adds but then again both healers are gonna dps so solo healing there is kinda irrelevant.

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WHM has always felt bland to me, reason I leveled AST and wanted to main AST from the moment I hit 60 lol. Why say that now that AST has gotten fixes and not before they did? Is it just because they got fixed now that you feel the job is bland now? The Sects were there from the start pre-fix so I don't know why come up with this conclusion now, only because AST is competitive now.

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It's really ever since the introduction of AST as a class that I've realized that there just ... isn't much that will attract people to the class. In the HW teaser trailer, we were shown Tetragrammaton. So flashy, right?

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This is no longer true given the potency adjustments.

But perhaps it's a good thing that WHMs will be phased out. I'll boost numbers towards other classes in that pie, and diversity is always good.

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The melodrama is real. If SCH didn't kill WHM during 2.x despite the doom-and-gloom threads that ran rampant, AST is unlikely to kill it, either.

If AST could literally do everything that WHM could, sure...but it can't. Divine Seal is still a superior healing CD (and can be activated more frequently), Assize is instant and great for either healing or DPS, Benediction, Tetragrammaton, Cure III, Aero III...come on. I don't see AST "phasing out" WHM.

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But perhaps it\\'s a good thing that WHMs will be phased out.

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Are you for real? LOL

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It's really ever since the introduction of AST as a class that I've realized that there just ... isn't much that will attract people to the class. In the HW teaser trailer, we were shown Tetragrammaton. So flashy, right?

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Bland is in the eye of the beholder. Tetragrammaton isn't a walking disco, but it's very powerful, free, on a decent CD, and will heal for more than Essential Dignity unless you are EDing someone who's nearly dead.

Personally I find WHM to be much more enjoyable than it was in 2.x. It feels less plodding than it was before thanks to a bit of skill padding and a greater arsenal of oGCD abilities.

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It's really ever since the introduction of AST as a class that I've realized that there just ... isn't much that will attract people to the class. In the HW teaser trailer, we were shown Tetragrammaton. So flashy, right?

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Heh yeah, I wasn't too excited about the new WHM abilities either, which influenced my decision to switch to AST. At first I was like meh Tetragrammaton, but in the end it became one of my most useful tools as WHM and probably one of my favourite ones.

They gave all our cool things to other classes in order to make those classes work.

Cleric stance is our ability, remember.

I don't think many people will switch based on usefulness. Look at the numbers of who have gone into savage. People play based on aesthetics, I myself don't like the WHM cast and spell animations (sorry WHMs). I played SCH up to 50 then switched to AST. I played SCH because it was my only option, I never really liked the aesthetics of SCH (SORRY SCHs!!!!)

This is not the end of WHM.

While I don't agree with the OP about WHM dying out due to these patches and I /do/ think AST needed a buff to make them competitive with the other healers, I admit I don't necessarily agree with how it was done. At launch they were more or less played off as a class that could chose to be a watered down WHM or a water down SCH depending on the needs of the party and the cards would be their main differentiating quality. Unfortunately the RNG and other issues with the cards sorta didn't play out and make it significant enough to encourage anyone to pick them over the other two established healers. I feel as if buffs to AST should be to make their cards viable enough to the party that they are chosen on that basis. As it stands it feels like they buffed the WHM aspect of them and more or less put them on par or close to with WHM in healing capacity.

Will it kill the class? No. Do I feel like WHM should have something of their own? Yes. That is the point of balance. As said above, a lot of our best qualities and moves are given away. I don't necessarily feel that saying our dps is higher should be the defining trait of a healer. It should be secondary. Even the mana regen is...well frankly I hardly need it unless the party is inflicted with the dreaded 'WHAT MEAN DODGE' and constantly makes me raise/heal them. Its nice to be able to carry people through like that but I'm not even sure we are the undisputed AoE healers now since what I understand from the patch notes seems like they more or less have medica II. Cure III is highly situational and while Assize is nice I don't know that its enough to call it 'our thing'.

Long story short, healers should be different. Scholar should be best at mitigation, WHM should be best at raw healing and AST should be best at buffs and it should be by a noticeable margin. They should be buffing what is unique about AST and if they need more heals, adding that capacity to their cards in some fashion. Not making their WHM stance more powerful. If this is the direction its going, WHM sorta feels like they are slowly losing ground on their niche market. We aren't dead but we are becoming the short kid in the marching band. Are we doing our job? Yes. Will you take notice of us? Probably not. Just my piece on this going by the initial look over. I'm going to level my AST now to see how I feel after that.

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Close to, yes. But not equal. WHM still has the edge in total potencies for some key spells.

Asp. Benefic 1030
Regen 1050

Asp. Helios 600
Medica II 700 (plus 20y range)

In particular, the difference between Aspected Helios and Medica II is quite significant. 100 potency is nothing to scoff at, nor is the additional 5y range that Medica II has.

Benefic and Benefic II are now equally as powerful as their WHM counterparts (and slightly faster thanks to the Diurnal buff), but given that WHM's other two core healing spells are better, this is six of one and half a dozen of the other.

WHM also has three oGCD healing options as opposed to AST's one (Assize, Benediction, Tetragrammaton vs. Essential Dignity), which gives WHM more ability to respond rapidly to situations and a better ability to regain control when things go poorly or when DPS is required.

Divine Seal and Synastry are now comparable--one is usable more often for a slightly smaller healing boost, and the other has a longer cooldown but is more powerful. That's a trade-off.

They're still different in some notable ways. I think anyone that's concerned that WHM is losing identity to AST is having a bit of a kneejerk reaction.

Edit: It's also important to note that in any situation where an AST is replacing a WHM, the group has no MND bonus, which further lowers the effective potency of the AST's healing. When replacing a SCH this isn't the case, but that means there's already a WHM in the party, so there's no issue there. (There are still plenty of good reasons to take a SCH over an AST as well, but that's for another thread).

Whm dps is pretty damn good tbh. Its easy and effective. A bit rough on the mana pool but properly timed dps from the whm can be a hugh asset.

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Will it kill the class? No. Do I feel like WHM should have something of their own? Yes. That is the point of balance. As said above, a lot of our best qualities and moves are given away.

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You're right. Everything that made WHM unique has been given away while SCH and AST have abilities that make them unique. AST have their cards. SCH have their pet. What does WHM have now? Absolutely nothing.

WHM is SE's bitch job that they just keep beating like a dead horse asking "is it dead yet"? I just keep getting flashbacks of playing Ranger on Guild Wars 2 and all the buffs that were needed to make Ranger not broken, going to Warrior, the favored pet class of ANET that ALWAYS got all the buffs. Well, that's how I feel anyways.

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You're right. Everything that made WHM unique has been given away.

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I don't get how people can make this assertion with a straight face. If you play them all at 60, you will understand that WHM retains its own unique feel and capability.

All healers have strengths, but none can utterly replace the others in their respective bailiwicks.

Whm only feels bland because you think WHm is supposed to be this press 1 to heal the party to full.

You want WHM to be the jack of all trades master of all type class.

You want migitiation decent dps and burst heals.

Okay so WHM is a pure healer what is the problem ?

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You're right. Everything that made WHM unique has been given away while SCH and AST have abilities that make them unique. AST have their cards. SCH have their pet. What does WHM have now? Absolutely nothing.

WHM is SE's bitch job that they just keep beating like a dead horse asking "is it dead yet"? I just keep getting flashbacks of playing Ranger on Guild Wars 2 and all the buffs that were needed to make Ranger not broken, going to Warrior, the favored pet class of ANET that ALWAYS got all the buffs. Well, that's how I feel anyways.

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What? Whm still has the best healing toolkit even with the ast buffs. Our dps also can't be matched even by sch. The only reason we don't put up sch dps numbers is because we're busy being amazing at healing. That doesn't sound like a ~bitch to me.