SMNs, get used to the current Egis.

We definitely need new egis. I was very disappointed that there were no new egis added with the expansion. At the very least Ramuh, Shiva, and Levi should have been added and could have easily filled the Ranged/Magic, Tank, and DPS roles that Garuda, Titan, and Ifrit currently fill now. I understand that a lot of work was put into the expansion, but it just feels like Smn was an afterthought and I feel that attention to "summoning" should have been more of a focus when adding more Smn abilities. As with other primals, I feel that when a Smn defeats a primal, it only seems natural that there should be an ability for the Smn to make a pact with the primal for the primal to lend it's essence to assist the Smn in battle. With Smn being a brand new Job added for A Realm Reborn it seems that SE would really want to flesh out this new Job, which was not available during 1.0, however it seems that they neglected to take the proper action necessary to truly flesh out Smn to continue to allow it to be the Job that it is intended to be. Glamouring egis is a cool idea and all, but to me it seems like Smn deserves more attention and more story appropriate reasons for why they are able to summon an egi that looks like Ramuh, Shiva, Levi etc. such as quests like the quests where the Smn has to go face the essence of the primal in a solo battle and "subdue" the essence by defeating it, and after doing so the essence of the primal lends itself to the Smn to be used in battle. Throwing in a, "Hey you can now just glamour your existing egis, without the need to actually subdue the essence of the primals.", like I mentioned, just seems like a cheap, easy, way out of actually giving us more quests and more egi fights, which we should have to complete before being able to use egis of other primals.

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Originally Posted by Aryalandi

We get to summon Bahamut's decapitated head now...

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Only if you have Effects turned ON. As a result, I've never seen the presumed awesomeness; I prefer the Egis, at least I can see them. *shrug*

I have patience, I can wait and am excited when I hear a "most likely, given time" with a concern though.

We'll (likely) get glamours for egis, but their looks are not decided. Its fine if they add more similar cute(?) crystal pudgy babies.. but please /also/ add something more defined and regal.

Even if I have to hunt them down like rare pokemon and take blue mage smashings to the face I'd be happy to see something a bit more "not FFXIV's so far existing egis". More "the other" FF summoners, visually speaking at least. Not saying 100% sized primals, personally I like the zodiac of FFXII so for myself I wouldn't mind bit greater variation of visuals either.

Given lore ofc, as it seems primals are just a big ball of faith power (and not an actual personable entity, minus the personable aspects given by the faith wielders), so why not a fenrir or diablos primal-egi if you really wanted and were strong enough - could even have a Hildibrand primal lol (please no... just because he is so special but, lol).

I love how everyone is so gloom and doom about this egi glamour system.

It's a thing that started as a 'what if'. It was never a committed thing, but he said specifically 'we need to start working on this' and talked about how they should implement it.

So it's going to happen, but like he Said it's going to be a lot of work.

To be honest with you summoner don't need 'new egis'. Theres only so many archetypes you can fit into for a pet. Skins is the next best thing because it will give you some indivuality. When I first heard of it I was angry as well. I didn't like it. But I thought about it and it grew on me. Why do I need 20 different types of spells that summon something that does pretty much the same thing as the other 19? Ones a tank, ones a melee dps, another is ranged. Maybe they should have different focuses.. Maybe ones all damage maybe one buffs.. But maybe they can still do that with glamour.

Why don't we wait and see what they do before we get those sticks in our asses all bent out of shape.

Why is Egi appearance such a big deal? Personally, I'd be happier knowing my Egi's actually made a decent contribution moreso than having it look like Leviathan or something. Having a pet that looks awesome but still hits like a child isn't exactly something I'd get excited over.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

That'd be horrible! Do you know there are people out there who actually enjoy PET classes.. if you dont... dont play it..



It is okay.. still the egis are ugly and nothing near enjoyable like the avatar pets in FFXI..
and these are PS2 graphics... the character model designers did an awesome job with the avatars of FFXI Summoner.. in FFXIV quietly poor.

Final Fantasy 11 Online - Summoner Avatars Youtube

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But they put so much effort into the summon models they forgot to add gameplay for the Summoner player itself :P

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Snark aside, I'm glad that they would rather delay it and give us something great than rush it and give us something really halfassed.

Over a year ago we were promised Levi and Shiva egi's (Shiva was "a cute girl from ice"). They said couldn't do it until xpac. Of course right before xpac we got the news of no more egis but we'd have the glamour. It's getting really freaking annoying to be constantly lied to. It's not "misleading", it's not even "lying by omission" it is flat out lies and empty promises. Why even mention the glamour thing if there had been ZERO work done on it? Did the devs just wake up on the morning of the stream and think "SMNs are gonna be mad about the egis, tell them we'll give them glamours!"?

Instead of over-promising and under-delivering please just stop saying anything at all until it's ready to be patched in.

I don't want to sound ungrateful for the positive changes we got to abilities etc, I could not be more pleased with the combat skills, but please stop promising us new stuff in regards to the egis unless there's actually solid progress being made on it.

SMN straight up does not need new egis lol. Glamours sure, but what exactly would a new egi do? They already have a ranged pet, a melee pet, and a tank pet. You can't have a healing/support pet because that's the SCH niche. If anything SCH should get a third fairy to to match SMN's 3 egis.

I do agree it would be super nice if they added glamours, but honestly after the huge buffs SMN got I really don't think this level of complaining is warranted.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

Why is Egi appearance such a big deal? Personally, I'd be happier knowing my Egi's actually made a decent contribution moreso than having it look like Leviathan or something. Having a pet that looks awesome but still hits like a child isn't exactly something I'd get excited over.

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Simple: they assured us we'd get a Ramuh/Leviathan-Egi (at the very least) for the expansion.
But now that it's out, and given their new stance on not introducing any more Egis (focusing on the Summoners themselves instead), it's no wonder why the Egi-glamour system is such a big deal.

The Caster/Tank/Attacker-based pets are the only ones we'll be using for the foreseeable future, so changing their skins to match the remaining primals we've beaten before seems both, appropriate and overdue.

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It is okay.. still the egis are ugly and nothing near enjoyable like the avatar pets in FFXI..
and these are PS2 graphics... the character model designers did an awesome job with the avatars of FFXI Summoner.. in FFXIV quietly poor.

Final Fantasy 11 Online - Summoner Avatars Youtube

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I wish I could 'like' this more than once. If the XI devs could do it with PS2 and dial-up or low end DSL then you would think it would be manageable to do a similar thing with XIV. Technology has come a long way in 13 years.

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Originally Posted by adn

SMN straight up does not need new egis lol. Glamours sure, but what exactly would a new egi do? They already have a ranged pet, a melee pet, and a tank pet. You can't have a healing/support pet because that's the SCH niche. If anything SCH should get a third fairy to to match SMN's 3 egis.

I do agree it would be super nice if they added glamours, but honestly after the huge buffs SMN got I really don't think this level of complaining is warranted.

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They wasted a whole job skill (the level 30 one) for that 3rd summon. Just swap out adloquium and it should be fine right? Right?

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They wasted a whole job skill (the level 30 one) for that 3rd summon. Just swap out adloquium and it should be fine right? Right?

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I dunno about Adlo but I would 100% trade Dissipation for a third fairy.

All I can say is. These egi glamours better look damn well amazing and not like the sack of crap that are the current egis.

You know I get the feeling I understand why most the rest of the community hate us career smn's lol...

Yoshi P put the glamour idea out there as a proposition, clearly people loved the idea more or less, now they know and are actually putting work into it. Things take time, I don't expect them to negate a bulk of content for 3.1 just so I can summon a ramuh pet. All the same I don't think it'd be too hard to at least give us the carbuncles to start and add new egi glamours gradually through patches. Even cash shop a few if you must. We can't expect it now now now though, we have to wait patiently, my best guess given demand is 3.2 but maybe a glimmer of it in 3.1? Just be patient. They gave SMN a great buff, it may not be a new egi, but we're now out dpsing most everyone including our BLM rivals.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

And note, "even if we were goin to change their appearance" - not sure if that's just the translation, but from this it feels like it might not even happen either.

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I think it's a matter of missing one word there. "Only". As in "Even if we were only going to change their appearance, we would need to create the effects, sound, and actions for each egi"

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I bet Egi glamours will cost like the current Thavnair-sets.... over 50mio gil. <.<

So.. Im not hyped

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Or locked behind cash shop like they did with more retainers.

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Originally Posted by Khaoticsuccubus

All I can say is. These egi glamours better look damn well amazing and not like the sack of crap that are the current egis.

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My hopes as well or on next level cap increase they become a more physical form thus giving change to them.

I'll never understand how the transition from Arcanist to Summoner causes the us to forget how to summon Carbuncle

I also love how they spit in our faces with the 50+ job quests and how we were supposed to be able to summon new egis.

Please look forward to egi skins on the cash shop.

You know what I think? I think they should have just stick with Carbuncles. Especially with this Obsidian Carbuncle bullshit lol.

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Originally Posted by Darkshade

Please look forward to egi skins on the cash shop.

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Hey, I'll be happy to buy them off the Cash Shop... just no more bundling them with $40-60 physical items that I neither need nor want!

I'm all good for waiting. I'm also excited to see what the new egi's will look like eventually. I don't want them to be like FFXI Avatars since that's not how Egis work in the lore.

I get the feeling a lot of people still don't accept summoning in Eorzea works differently from prior FF worlds.

It would have awesome if instead of bio, bio II, and miasma, it was a fire dot from Ifrit, a wind dot from Garuda, and an earth dot from Titan. Why are summoners poisoning stuff?

Then we learn either more dots, or skills like dreadwyrm trance from all the newer primals every expansion. Summon a cane of Ramuh for AOE instead of Painflare, Leviathan does a tidal wave instead of fester... I dunno. Just throwing it out there.

You know what.. get rid of the pets, remove most of the dots, give us BLM type magic and replace deathflare skill with something called 'Summon (Primal Name)' that comes into the world to do damage to the boss/trash as it does in every other FF game out there.

Would be wicked to see fat chocobo land on the bosses head every now and then...

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Originally Posted by AsahinaMyLove

I bet Egi glamours will cost like the current Thavnair-sets.... over 50mio gil. <.<

So.. Im not hyped

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I would expect this to be quested. Despite use of the word 'glamour' this will have nothing to do with the current glamour system we have since there are no items involved and this will directly affect skills. An entirely new system will need to be built to manage it. It also would make a lot more sense for SMNs to learn to summon the remaining egis via special job quests rather than random items bought on the market board.

Before glamour system:

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http://www.cfoic.com/shira/wp-conten...potato0730.jpg

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I thought this was going to be about how SMNs are not getting any new Egis anytime soon.

Are people still complaining over this?

All I wanted was to be able to summon the Carbuncles as SMN ...

/sigh

I like the current iteration of summoner. It's about a million times more interesting than what it was for the majority of its XI life.

Most people just want summoner to be blatantly overpowered in a way that doesn't work for MMOs.

I initially thought the egis looked kind of lame, but honestly it works better than having huge pets running around on the field destroying visibility/etc.

I think the glamour system is the right move - expand the pet "roles" of tank/caster/melee while increasing the "feel" of summoner that some people are looking for. IMO this is a similar argument to people who are upset about Drk not being a DPS class - I'd rather them use classic jobs and take a spin on them so that they fit into FF XIV/the balance of it than add a bunch of stuff no one cares about. IMO the classes were part of the failure of 1.0.

Personally I'm hoping for something like shiva/titan/topaz tank, ifrit/leviathan/ruby melee, ramuh/garuda/emerald caster.

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Originally Posted by Lutzia

You know what.. get rid of the pets, remove most of the dots, give us BLM type magic and replace deathflare skill with something called 'Summon (Primal Name)' that comes into the world to do damage to the boss/trash as it does in every other FF game out there.

Would be wicked to see fat chocobo land on the bosses head every now and then...

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This sounds awful. Just play black mage.

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Originally Posted by Lutzia

You know what.. get rid of the pets, remove most of the dots, give us BLM type magic and replace deathflare skill with something called 'Summon (Primal Name)' that comes into the world to do damage to the boss/trash as it does in every other FF game out there.

Would be wicked to see fat chocobo land on the bosses head every now and then...

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Pretty much I would go for this ^^ Then they can call summoner something else and actually work on a proper pet job instead of this mishmash of ideas job they call summoner xD. Its like they didn't know what to do with summoner, so they just threw things at it until something worked.

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Originally Posted by Azuta

Pretty much I would go for this ^^ Then they can call summoner something else and actually work on a proper pet job instead of this mishmash of ideas job they call summoner xD. Its like they didn't know what to do with summoner, so they just threw things at it until something worked.

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Thank god all of the summoner whiners aren't actually in charge of development.

@ckc22

I don't know where you get "most people just want summoner to be blatantly overpowered[...]" from but I see people just wanting a bit of variation given how bland the job was prior to 3.0. I mean even the trollquest at the start for the new smn storyline was a bit of a low blow by SE. ;P

In terms of comparing smn from FFXI to the iterration in FFXIV. I wouldn't call the job more interesting but more useful. The concept of having a lot of different summons with different skill (garuda party blink/titan party stoneskin/carbuncle being able to heal) was great on paper. Sadly the restrictions that class had in terms of mp management at least in lower levels made this job really hard to play with the playstyle at the time. So summoners got reduced to using whm as subjob and played the healer for the group (with the occasional buffs from garuda or titan)

What we have with the smn class now is not a smn but a warlock which is fine.

The glamour system is indeed a great move to give smn some variety and I really hope sch get something along the lines to. (if not model changes but than maybe clothes/hairstyles for the faires)
The comment made by SE even as disappointing as it sounds makes this whole thing quite optimistic, because it seems like they really want to put effort in this and not just slap some stuff together that makes nobody really happy.

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Originally Posted by REPROBEAN_CHILD

The Ramuh adds could have been good egis...

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They are. Or were. They were apperntly found in the files way back before launch as a potential Egi for Ramuh.

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Most people just want summoner to be blatantly overpowered in a way that doesn't work for MMOs.

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Idk about "most people", but as far as I'm concerned - I don't care about power (quite frankly, it's powerful enough if played right), but I would like some actual wow-factor to it. Primals, summoning creatures... Sounds like this awesome thing to make people's jaws drop, and instead we're just pewpewing away little balls of light for the most part. Sure, Deathflare is great when it can be popped (although let's not even talk about how much "summoner" the route to it is), but every time I'm in a party with a BLM, I feel inferior in playstyle/visuals. And no I'm not saying I should feel superior, because keep it balanced, yes - but I shouldn't feel inferior either. It's just the lack of visual oomph that I personally dislike.

After getting a couple Egi's for summoner I see the reason why its Melee/ Mage/ Tank/ ??? Aside from them being the three early primals there's nothing else besides stat effects to having Egis of the others. I can see glamming an Egi with parts of outfits and accessories (garuda in a summer hat, titan with a shirt and tie, etc) or even their color. But seeing say Leviathan do burning strike with a water effect seems a bit much. Might as well just have an actual summon at that point.

The egis really turn me off to playing Smn, I would have wanted smaller avatar versions of the Primals instead. Also (I know this will never happen) I would have wanted the class to be closer to the Summoner in FFXI, that is to say, you summon and your "abilities" are commands that you give the pet, make the Summoner more focused on the actual pet rather than the Summoner itself. But MMO design for pet classes has, unfortunately, moved away from that.

I love my little potato. The windy chicken is okay, the fire lizard is kind of weird... it looks like a manananggal (a demon thing in my country's folklore) but I love his deeps. I would like to be able to use carbys as a summoner though.

That said, I totally understand why this would be difficult to implement for the devs. It's like skinning and animating a couple of mini-classes in one job/class. I'd be a happy summy if they could implement some changes, but I'd expect some summon additions or changes for our scholar bros and sis too.