She was the consort of Nidhogg. Not one of the seven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timat
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06-30-2015, 01:45 AMGrayve
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06-30-2015, 02:13 AMTimatThat I know, but Tiamat was Bahamut's consort and they were BOTH part of the sevenQuote:
Originally Posted by Grayve
I recall as I said something about her being said to be brood SISTER to Nidhogg...implying she was one of the 7 as well. -
06-30-2015, 02:14 AMTimat
I have her triad card here....
in it its says she is one of the seven great wyrms.....so yea....
wait nvm its was talkign about Nid...still recall someone saying she was in sis though/ -
06-30-2015, 02:26 AMFrederick22Tioman is the boss of the 2nd dungeon in HwQuote:
Originally Posted by Timat
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Timat
My advice is that you watch all the cutscenes of the story bit more carefull instead of skiping all of then, seriously xD -
06-30-2015, 02:28 AMJonnycbad
Is Fafnir in the game already?
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06-30-2015, 03:49 AMFrederick22Yes he is Midgarsomr. The picture shows him and his 7 children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanzer
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06-30-2015, 03:50 AMneorei
i bet you, their mother is jormungandr
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06-30-2015, 03:58 AMTimatI know who Tioman is....Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
What I am saying is that I recall her being called Nidhogg's brood sister...which would make her one of the 7 great wyrms -
06-30-2015, 04:05 AMAllyrionIt's titled Midgardsormr and His 7 Children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanzer
You know Jörmungandr is just another name (the real name) of Midgardsormr, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by neorei
It's more likely to be Angrboda.
Or Midgardsormr is like that of Ymir in Norse mythology and just birthed the children on his own.
You keep referencing something you vaguely remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Timat
She's only referenced a few times. Go back and check it before making your claim.
Because I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. Maybe misremembering or misunderstanding something that happens.
It happens, but don't try to make some kind of claim on some recollection you can't fully recall.
The closest thing I remember is she is referenced as part of Nidhogg and his Brood I believe.
That was in context of being different from Hraesvalgr's brood who we parleyed with in Dravanian Forelands.
So Brood in that context was part of Nidhogg's own family group but those Broods are not part of the 7.
Fairly certain she is never directly called his Brood-Sister.
But I'm not going to re-check. You're the one making the claim, so come back with the direct quote you're thinking of if you wish to refute our current understanding. -
06-30-2015, 04:35 AMWaffilicious
Bahamut primal we encountered at the end of 1.0 was an super powerful version of Bahamut as said in one of the last quests, the reason they don't wanna capture a primal like bahamut again to stop reincarnation is because they start fermenting themselves with prayer until they become an A-bomb
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06-30-2015, 05:43 AMmyaheleYou're probably confusing TioMAN (Nidhogg's consort/mother of his children) with TiAMAT child of Midgardsmnr; brood-sister of Nidhogg/Bahamut and consort of BahamutQuote:
Originally Posted by Timat
Speaking of Primal Bahamut, I am pretty sure one of the reason's why he was/is so powerful is due to the fact that he had thousands of years worth of prayers from those captured meracydian dragons + collecting energy from the Sun.
The real Bahamut, while strong, was defeated by the Allagan and it seems as if they defeated him pre-Omega weapon since it was the Primal Bahamut that was said to have been a threat to the Allagan
It really bad to measure a Great Dragon's strength based on Primal Bahamut. They're all strong, but not all-powerful. Just see Midgardsmnr vs a fraction of Garlean millitary; he was able to destroy one Dreadnaught at the cost of his then-adult body. -
06-30-2015, 05:52 AMneorei
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tioman_Island
According to legend, Tioman Island is the resting place of a beautiful dragon princess.[1] Whilst flying to visit her prince in Singapore, this beautiful maiden stopped to seek solace in the crystal-clear waters of the South China Sea. Enraptured by the charms of the place, she decided to discontinue her journey. By taking the form of an island, she pledged to offer shelter and comfort to passing travelers. -
06-30-2015, 06:36 AMAllyrionThe Dreadnaught was actually one of a kind (till recently).Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
The only reason we aren't under Garlean rule right now is because of him taking that continent conquering ship out.
That was not really a fraction of their force. It was the bulk of a full invasion force.
Since then they have not tried an invasion of that scale because they lost so much people and and their main tool for conquering other places.
It's not till recently had they remade that tool. And that's why it's worrying.
I agree with you, in general, of course.
But it's not like Midgardsormr died doing something minor.
He stopped the Garlean invasion dead in its tracks and crippled their power (relatively) for conquering other lands for quite a while. -
06-30-2015, 06:48 AMmyahele
I'm actually quite curious as to what thay're doing with Tiamat?
http://i.imgur.com/3USX7rd.jpg
Yeah, she's bound for eternity, but is that all? Is it some sick form of Allagan punishment they've inflicted on her for being the one to summon primal bahamut? I would think that they'd place a mind-control device on her. -
06-30-2015, 06:59 AMWaffilicious
It is implied that she can free herself anytime she wants but she doesn't want to because she thinks the prison is her way of atoning for the summoning of his brother as a primal
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06-30-2015, 08:18 AMKabzy
One question about Tiamat, she says:
Together with my brood-brother Bahamut, I journeyed south to Meracydia. And together, we brought forth innumerable children into the world.
Is there any lore on the 'relations' that dragons have with each other, and what is acceptable? -
06-30-2015, 08:25 AMmyaheleWho knows if they're truly biological siblings since Midgardsomnr came to Eorzea with 7 eggs which what that truly means, who knows?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
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06-30-2015, 08:30 AMFrederick22Yes, dragons do what dragons do, They dont have the same cultural teaching as humans has xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
I would guess that at least they do it with their father/mothers, but i could be wrong LOL -
06-30-2015, 11:42 AMStarDrakeIt appears to just be zealous restraining - she's not only shackled, but gruesomely pinned to the platform. I don't think it was intended as "punishment" so much as yet another example of late-era Allag possessing very little empathy for the treatment of their captives.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
But yes, it's quite implied that even for all that, she could break out of those restraints after five thousand years of their decay (and if not, then Middy or her siblings would assist her with it in a twinkling). It began as restraint, but she herself has taken it as punishment. -
06-30-2015, 12:06 PMMagnesium02
I wonder if there is any significance to the similarities of appearance of the dragons that are grouped together in the storyline.
Cause with Hraesvelgr, Ratatoskr and Nidhogg they all seem to have similar features with 4 or more horns that curve forward around the face. Plus their names all come from the same Norse Mythology about Yggdrasil and stuff, and their stories in MSQ is all intertwined.
Whereas Tiamat and two other dragons (one of which is Bahamut) have horns that start at the forehead to curve back. And they kind of have their stories separate from the others. And then you have the unknown Narwhal dragon who is just chillin with his own style.
It is mentioned on the Blue Dragon TT card that dragons have like a thousand year puberty in which they kinda evolve and do their own thing and can end up looking very different from others in their own species. And being that all the 7 are like the oldest dragons there are explains the diversity, but I still find it interesting that those 3 are kind similar -
06-30-2015, 12:22 PMsaber_alterThey probably just sealed her so she isn't a threat. Too smart to be brain jacked.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
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06-30-2015, 08:48 PMKabzyI think they allude to Tiamat being able to break free. Midgardsormr asks her why she has not forgiven herself yet, possibly implying that she could break free and live a normal life. Tiamat herself does not wish to as she regrets allowing the Allagans to use her sorrow to create a poor reincarnation of her beloved Bahamut. She says that this is her own punishment, and she'll atone here until the world itself ends.Quote:
Originally Posted by saber_alter
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07-01-2015, 01:34 AMEloahI think Tioman is, or rather was, Nidhogg's lover. Once she is defeated, her dying words are along the lines of, "I'm sorry my beloved". And if that is themcase then she is part of Nidhogg's brood but as his mate not his sister, although...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timat
Anyway, seeing as how she is merely a boss and has no story tie ins, I don't think she is one of the 7. I do think Vidofnir could be one of the 7, but I have no proof only a feeling. Though, her name does have a similar motif to the others. And, she also bears a resemblance similar to one of the 7 children in the artwork. -
07-01-2015, 10:58 AMDarthSanguineVidofnir is Hraesvelgr's daughter, not Midgardsormr's. She herself refers to Hraesvelgr as "father" during the main story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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07-01-2015, 10:59 AMFrederick22Lol Vdofnir is Hraesvelgr's dauther, did you skiped cutesenes or what? xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloah
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07-01-2015, 10:29 PMLeaf_Dragoon
At first I thought Tiamat was the dragon on the bottom because of the horns and black/dark coloration, but after realizing the one on bottom didn't have the face spikes it makes me think that either they changed Tiamat's color after that piece of concept art was made or that its because of the light around her and/or some effect of being bound by those rings.
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07-02-2015, 03:18 AMFrederick22Dont think on the colors of the concept art, thats irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Leaf_Dragoon
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07-03-2015, 01:20 AMDarthSanguineVedrfolnir is one of Hraesvelgr's champions and is an ally in one of the FATEs in The Churning Mists. Shinryu probably is one of the 7 though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnesium02
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07-03-2015, 01:42 AMLystAPTiamat doesn't particularly want to be set free, given the dialogue. Her primary regret was consulting with the Ascians, servants of Darkness, of which she and her kin probably knew were bad news; but the death of her mate made her desperate, so she took in their aid and the end consequence was thrusted into Dalamud alongside many of her children.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kabzy
The Allagans were one thing, but to willingly consult with the Ascians is another, especially given that many of the older dragons seem to have known of them and their general ill intentions throughout time. The Ascians help "bring" back her "mate," but also taught the Allagans how to restrain him. -
07-03-2015, 07:56 AMSkyRobo1
Its possible that Shinyru could be one of his sons as well..Its also possible that Midgardsomr came from another dimension. As for the eldest to youngest (From the one's we know of) are;
- Bahamut
- Tiamat
- Hresvlgar or Nidhogg (Cant make up my mind on this one)
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07-03-2015, 08:35 PMClawtooth
As an aside - I think Fafnir's a good shout. We've had so many dragons in the game at this point that you can tell which names they're avoiding e.g. in WoD, the "Five-Headed Dragon" is traditionally Tiamat, but since they didn't use that name they were obviously saving it.
Similarly, Jormungand won't be one of the 7 or the mother or anything probably because the adds in the Queen Scylla/Xande Clone fight are Thor and Jormungand (likely a reference to Ragnarok). I know we've had name changes before but that was more to do with japanese naming stuff and there's a whole post from Koji about that.
So I'd go for Fafnir personally ... possibly Shinryu but I'm not sure on that since Omega is still very much in the picture and all, though again the likelyhood of them going with the Shinryu vs Omega branch of FF lore is in question. -
07-03-2015, 09:43 PMAnonymooseI think I'd prefer Fafnir over Shinryu, to be honest. After Midgardosrmr's saying that he came to this planet and fathered all dragons in this world, I've formed this nagging preference that Shinryu somehow be above him... "out there" somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Clawtooth
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07-07-2015, 03:00 PMBloodySo, anyone remember the frozen chained up dragon in the original HW preview video? I happened to find it out in Red Rim in Coerthas West, and it sure as hell looks like the pink dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnesium02
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07-07-2015, 03:05 PMDualbladeTo be fair Shinryu is usually opposite of Omega in many ways, and the fact that we haven't gotten to that point quite yet means we still have quite a bit of time. Then again they might instead go with Yiazmat instead...he was a giant Wyrm right? I never actually got to fight him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
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07-07-2015, 03:31 PMWyrahFhurrstSeems accurate to what we know! I just wish we knew what Bahamut looked like before being summoned as a Primal, since none of the dragons in the picture seem to really look all to much like him. I do agree, though, that Green & Pink are good suspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnesium02
I don't think that's any of the Seven. We would have heard mention of another of them being dead, and Midgardsormr said the Seven spread across Hydaelyn long before Ishgard came around, so I highly doubt the dead dragon in Coerthas Western Highlands is one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody
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07-08-2015, 01:49 AMDarthSanguineI think that might be Vishap (The boss from Steps of Faith).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody
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07-08-2015, 02:46 AMFrederick22Check his side >___>Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthSanguine
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07-08-2015, 11:19 AMDarthSanguineI checked the whole model. Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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07-08-2015, 12:04 PMWyrahFhurrstConsidering we kill Vishap while on the Steps of Faith, it may simply be another dragon that looks similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthSanguine
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07-08-2015, 07:34 PMDarthSanguineThat dragon is dead. That's why I said it's Vishap.Quote:
Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst