According to the ST quest, there are two ways to "seal" the tower. Shutting it down and locking the door is one, the command progresses automatically, and anyone with the "key" will still be able to come and go as they please (until the "key" is lost). The second is to cripple it from within, rendering it inoperable. The problem is, the key to the tower and the key to the door were already established by Doga and Unei as being one and the same, so it follows that anyone capable of opening the door wouldn't actually need a bearer of the royal blood to activate and operate the tower itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
So why did he seal himself inside, even though his attitude towards the tower itself up until then was one of complete indifference? Depression, cheep feelz, emotional blackmail as a motivator, or perhaps he was shown something else that convinced him his fate was decided. The Japanese and English scripts are actually completely contradictory on that point, as well as his final objective, so have no way of knowing for sure, at least for now. Or possibly ever. Hooray for open-ended conclusions?
If any one Scion is dead, it'll be Yda. Just leaving that there so I can feel tragically smug when I find out I'm right.http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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05-06-2015, 04:15 AMFenral
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05-06-2015, 04:48 AMDante_V
I honestly hope that they do not continue anything with the CT quest line/story. I didn't like the new NPC's honestly and the entire thing was uninspired outside of the part regarding the imprisonment and utility of bahamut (which is explained in the binding coil in a 1000x more interesting story). I am really hope they break away from past things from titles and introduce more original stories. As far as the lore goes in regards to 3, I think it holds it's inspiration from there obviously but i don't think it is fair to say what is true in 3 must be true in 14 as they are different universes and stories and while one may take inspiration from the other I'm not sure certain conclusions can be based on that end alone. Just my opinion tho.
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05-06-2015, 05:21 AMFenralIf it helps, Yoshida has gone both ways in interviews on the subject of things borrowed from other Final Fantasys. He wants to stay as true as possible to the source material while still taking ownership of the presentation in Final Fantasy XIV. Since Eureka had no real story to speak of in FFIII, they could easily take ownership of it by giving it one, while still staying true to the general details from FFIII. "There is something still active under the Crystal Tower" is a far as we've been led to believe, with Eureka only being the most probable from what Yoshida has said on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante_V
But we still don't actually know if anything will be done with that hint, let alone in the 3.X cycle, or if it will even be related at all to the CT story or characters, so don't worry about it if you don't like the idea. I personally think they're planning on dealing with a lot more original material before they get back to CT, as some sort of throwback, but that's probably years from now.
Going by the arrangement of the pillars, it may end up being entered through the broken-down arch on the first floor of Syrcus Tower, but it goes without saying that a lot will need to happen before anyone is getting in there.
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05-06-2015, 05:24 AMCiliaTo be fair, whether or not the tower can be shut down and sealed from the outside is unknown. That detail wasn't specified, and I've not the time to go check it right now. I'm assuming it can't be, since Doga / Unei are probably the ones who originally sealed it off and they were trapped inside until the Calamity. How they were able to get out without leaving the door open, well... I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Either way, even if future civilizations are able to open the tower and use it without Royal Allagan blood, they might misuse it or even make it go nuclear since they don't know how to properly operate it. This is presumably why G'raha sealed himself inside and shut it down; he's sort of a sentinel to make sure nobody like Xande comes along again to try and jump-start the apocalypse with it, knowingly or otherwise.
Magical Allagan blood told G'raha it was his fate to do it; either that or it was his interpretation of Princess Salina's vague wish. He doesn't explicitly state this, but this is the feeling I get from his words, and as people don't seem to question or reject their fates in XIV...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Can't comment on the contradictions between the English and Japanese scripts, as I've no access to the Japanese script and couldn't read it anyway.
Disagree. If any of the Scions aren't dead it's probably Yda; they would't tease us with a glimpse of her unmasked face like that and leave us hanging, not to mention the character development she got in overcoming Moenbryda's death.Quote:
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05-06-2015, 06:26 AMFenralThey were inside when it went under, sealed by Amon during the earthquake using high-level time magic, left when the time bubble broke after the Calamity, and the door simply closed behind them. They said as much. Both Doga and Nero also confirm that the door only opens to those with royal blood, but anything else we can guess about how it works is just speculation no more or less valid than anyone else's, since so little was explained.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
G'raha is this game's Balthier. Completely different personality in Japanese, and the impression left by the final scene is also completely different, even if the outlines are basically the same. Among other things, where the Japanese script says he is fulfilling his purpose "in his own way," the English outright replaces that with, "My blood has informed me of this fact." Considering the response the Midgardsormr thread got, I'm pretty sure that even if I did ask in the Localization forum about why they changed it, "localization" would be the only answer, and for the moment it doesn't change anything. I'm leaving this mostly as a note should it become important later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
There's a lot people thought the writers wouldn't do. I suspect they started dropping hints about her so that, once it hits us that she's gone for good, we can be extra sad knowing that we never even got to see her face. But this is all silly and tangential, 'cause I don't want anyone to be dead, I've just taken to steeling myself for the worst when it come to characters I like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
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05-06-2015, 11:39 AMCiliaI rewatched most of the cutscenes; all true, except (at least in the English script) Doga and Unei never state what happened when or how they left Syrcus Tower. All they say is that they awakened in Syrcus Tower five years ago during the Calamity, and have been roaming the world searching for someone who can help them defeat Xande since. How they left isn't elaborated upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Of course it's always possible they closed it behind them, or closes automatically whenever someone with permission to enter isn't nearby. Kind of shoots a hole in how we were able to reenter to reach the World of Darkness though, since G'raha didn't have the power to access, operate, or seal off Syrcus Tower until Doga and Unei game him their blood. It's also possible that you can only shut it down and close it off from the inside; the fact it was closed off when you approached despite Doga and Unei previously exiting lends credence to this. There's just not enough information to know for sure.
Also, that's a bad link.
If this alternate line is true (I'll take your word for it), it's simply confirmation that G'raha is going along with his interpretation of Princess Salina's vague wish. True enough, stating he is fulfilling his purpose "in his own way" is much, much more open-ended and vague about other possibilities. Might there be another reason he decided to seal himself in Syrcus Tower? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe... I can't think of one right now, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Still, that "I wish I could have been a part of your adventures longer" line pretty much flagged him for the "sealin' hisself in the Tower" route.
Apropos of nothing, while watching I noticed Rammbroes does have that tattoo (albeit white) on his dome. Then again, he's stated to be a former member of the Circle, so it still doesn't really prove or disprove anything. -
05-06-2015, 01:13 PMFenralFixed it, so now the audience following along at home can call me on any accidental misquotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
If it had happened back in 2.3, I would have considered it proper set-up. I consider everything after beating up Cloud (of Darkness) a single "ending," so I never really considered that separate from the rest. If any of what I said confused you on that, I didn't mean to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
My memory was fuzzy, and I'll admit it before someone else tries to call me on it, at least in so far as the Japanese script does also still mention the blood (in a different context, due to the localization info shuffle). It all ultimately boils down to what was considered important in the wording, so that an obvious indication that G'raha is acting on his own logic wasn't considered necessary can also simply mean it will never be brought up again either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
Though it is still interesting to note that the causality (in either script, but plainer in Japanese) is quite clearly "I'm doing this because I was made to remember." The unspoken implication being that he wouldn't have do it if he hadn't. This is, of course, where "fate" comes into play, but it seems much more like the FFXIII sort of enforced destiny than just a nice, tidy coincidence that causes things to go all rosy for everyone. Possibly also meaningless, since he didn't seem to have any obvious issue with it, but it's there all the same.
Never said it did, though I didn't notice that it was actually the same tattoo. Good catch! Just leaves the eye brand as unexplained, then, but for that we just need another Student or two. (Maybe in the expansion? Are you there, Krile?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
How different this entire quest-line might have been if each episode had a lead-in like Labyrinth of the Ancients, and in-raid cutscenes like in Coil. Less gating and faster raiding, so hooray for the playability side of things, but I can't help but wonder if it was meant to be just a little bit more fleshed-out. The world may never know.
Ultimately, all I've been doing here is throwing darts at the weird little cracks, though by now it's amounted to taking a shotgun to the shooting range and hitting every spot on the target (which is bad, and usually against the rules). This way I'll be right no matter what happens! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...s/rolleyes.png
Yes, everything turning out great for everyone the whole world over, and seeing G'raha again after Cid and the Ironworks crew (and maybe even Nero!) pull off a miracle and keep their promise of opening the tower again themselves, is absolutely a beautiful future worth striving for, so I don't want you to think I'm against that, per se. I just kind of wonder, at what point does that "there is nothing wrong with this plan" idealism hit that Crystal Braves tipping point?
We're still sending an overeager kid down Good Intentions Boulevard with an ancient doomsday machine, counting on finding a way to ensure that whoever opens that door, whenever it is opened, doesn't just kill and dissect him and have their way with his tower. Not to mention Nero's final walkaway scene can be best summarized with the words "there's something underneath." It's ultimately best for everyone if the powers-that-be simply never address it, or G'raha, again, but to me that's almost a good enough reason why they can't. -
05-06-2015, 03:30 PMCiliaUnfortunately, since G'raha wasn't awakened to his destiny at the end of Syrcus Tower, there was no way to foreshadow what the outcome of the full ending of the Crystal Tower would be like. Obviously we'd dive into the World of Darkness and rescue Doga, Unei, and Nero, but not much else could be discerned other than Syrcus Tower being shut down; Rammbroes declares this NOAH's new goal in light of Doga and Unei exposing Xande's mad schemes, as well as after everyone acknowledges the danger it poses to the current world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
We knew it was going to be shut down in 2.3. Just didn't know G'raha would seal himself inside it, and he could only decide on that course of action after getting his Allagan blood awakened in the World of Darkness.
Ah, but see, fate isn't always kind. Frixio outright states you're "destined to walk a fate far crueler than [she] can imagine" when you're given the Lightning Crystal. While 2.0-2.4 left us with this warm fuzzy "I'm Eorzea's superhero" for the most part, that line steeled me long ago for the harsh fate Hydaelyn has shackled us to. Lo and behold, 2.5.x stripped us of our divine favor and forced us to suffer a cruel fate; I've continued to curse Hydaelyn herself and state that I never asked for this since.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
He's really in a similar boat to us. While we're bound to Hydaelyn's yoke, G'raha is shackled to the will of ancient Allag. We had no say in the matter, and yet we're forced to play a role on the grand stage we might not even want. While his fate is not very kind, at least he has the comfort of rest.
Fate is cruel. We don't always find sugar and rainbows at the end of its path. Only... to succumb to the will of the Gods, of fate... is this our only choice? Or can we shatter the shackles of fate and create our own future, one shaped by neither Hydaelyn nor Zodiark? That, I think, is the question that needs answering in the overarching story.
Would G'raha not have "needed" to seal himself inside Syrcus Tower had the Crystal Tower storyline not played out? Nope. Could he have challenged his fate even after learning of it? Yes, but he chose not to. That's... that's on him, not us.
's cool, analyzing things and trying to find the truth is what debate is unless it's a clash of ideals. An' I'm not a politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
We didn't do anything. What happened was G'raha's choice, and even if we disagree with it, he all but says verbatim we couldn't have changed his mind. It probably would have been wiser to seal it off from the outside if that's possible... but just like the formation of the Crystal Braves that wasn't our decision to make, even in-story. There's no guarantee things will end well for G'raha when someone is able to open Syrcus Tower, but... all we can do is believe in him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
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05-07-2015, 12:17 AMFenral
I don't even need to line by line the above, because you know I agree, more or less, but as I was never comfortable with the premise I am far less inclined to write it off and move on (but we must, for the future, etc. Yeah, that). You've also managed to highlight, much better than I could, exactly how much drama was simply left unplayed at the end of the whole thing (and, by extension, has yet to be played out). A brief encounter with another soul bound to walk a destiny separate from your own... It's poetic, to be sure, albeit in a much more somber and tragic way than it was played on-screen, but...
I still think Allag has an bigger endgame than simply "hope for all mankind," and that the Crystal Tower will factor into it, but not necessarily as it was intended to. Nothing supporting that except this chill that runs down my spine every time I look at it, but we'll see where it goes. -
05-08-2015, 05:45 PMEchofallsI also like to think that we're not quite done with Allag yet, mostly based on the cliff-hanger cutscene at the end. But I doubt we'll find out anything for a long while yet.Quote:
I don't even need to line by line the above, because you know I agree, more or less, but as I was never comfortable with the premise I am far less inclined to write it off and move on (but we must, for the future, etc. Yeah, that). You've also managed to highlight, much better than I could, exactly how much drama was simply left unplayed at the end of the whole thing (and, by extension, has yet to be played out). A brief encounter with another soul bound to walk a destiny separate from your own... It's poetic, to be sure, albeit in a much more somber and tragic way than it was played on-screen, but...
I still think Allag has an bigger endgame than simply "hope for all mankind," and that the Crystal Tower will factor into it, but not necessarily as it was intended to. Nothing supporting that except this chill that runs down my spine every time I look at it, but we'll see where it goes.
For an ending about hope, I found it to be rather depressing...
1: Unless we blast the doors down, we're probably never going to see G'raha again.
2: By the time he wakes up, Revenant's Toll will look like Academia.
3: Who's to say the people of that future will even be friendly to him?
4: If the tower can only be controlled by Allagan royalty, did it sort of slip his mind in his rush to seal it up and sleep because his gift was only temporary, that he forgot it was only temporary? It's going to expire one day, just much later. But it will expire and then the tower will be left as nothing but a pretty landmark again. -
05-08-2015, 11:17 PMFenralThis. Just, yeah. He was already "hope" for some of us, and that hope is now all but entirely gone. Or, wait, no. We, the WoLs are hope, and he's just a vessel for the royal Allagan blood. He's found his own way to help out! *sob*Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
Remember Nero's tomestone. There's much more to it than just a couple of notes on Allagan royalty, so I wonder if the data on it can be of more use to Cid now that he's been inside the tower itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
Get it? It's a Hope joke! In rather poor taste, though... (We also saw Hope again five minutes later in XIII-2. Trying to think of when a scene like this was supposed to be a final goodbye in other media, and it's not coming to me.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
The practical problems with using the tower all boil down to "basic human nature." Sure, we can create a world where that basic nature will no longer endanger the world, but should we? Even Hayao Miyazaki, of all people, said no. It gives, and people are going to to take. If it can provide everything people "hope" for, people won't need to look elsewhere, and that's already been portrayed as having serious consequences. G'raha... probably won't be treated like a hero once his "purpose" is served, because that's just how people are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
He didn't forget... in the Japanese script. This has more to do with "exchange of information" streamlining, EngLoc's worst habit, so it's more that he just isn't repeating information the player already knows. This is also the basis for my "one last shot" theory, since using it for a single, massive application and then letting it shut down for good is a fairly poetic way of letting it symbolize hope without any of the explained drawbacks. We might even get a scene were G'raha tries to seal himself inside again, before his control wears off, but Cid or Ramnbroes stops him by waxing poetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
I get the feeling we were supposed to be comfortable with letting it end like this, because "yay hope," but not because they had no intention of planning more. There's too much doesn't add up as neatly (in a narrative sense) as a proper wrap-up would. -
05-09-2015, 01:06 AMCiliaG'raha is looking at the big picture, not his personal desires, and submitting to the will of ancient Allag was his way of preserving hope for the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
"What if the world's hope is different from your hope? Even if the world is [safe], it's meaningless if you aren't happy."
We endure the despair and keep fighting. That's why we're the hero of the story.
1. Maybe, but I felt the Crystal Tower was intended to be a standalone side-story. The Garleans were able to get the Ultima Weapon up and running again, though, so it's not outside the realm of possibility; it's just highly improbable, especially with the current technology available to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
2. Same as 1, pretty much. It's also possible nobody will ever open Syrcus Tower again, ever, but that's why it's "hope" - we have to believe, not know.
3. Nobody, really, but again, "hope."
4. Need to rewatch the cutscene, but I don't recall Doga and Unei telling him it was only temporary. Either way, once / if people are able to reopen Syrcus Tower without the "key" it stands to believe they could operate it without the "key" as well, and even if not G'raha could probably have children able to control the Tower now that his Allagan blood has been enhanced.
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05-09-2015, 01:35 AMFenralWe actually have next to no evidence to support that that's what was actually going through his head, since while there are many far more grounded and acceptable explanations for why he did what he did, he used exactly none of them, opting instead for "destiny." Whatever he thinks is going to happen after he seals the tower, he's committed himself to go along with whatever happens next, and there's actually nothing stopping that from being a much earlier reunion than expected (except devil's proof assumptions on quest progression).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cilia
Given the overall ideological level of the setting (as in, strangled dead on the floor), I think it could easily be recast as empty and hypocritical sort of hope, not to mention how spectacularly misses the point of what it means for hope to be a "light in the darkness." It's too soon to say, but I still think one way or another they'll get back to it. Eventually. -
05-09-2015, 03:44 AMCiliaWell I suppose calling the Crystal Tower "the world's hope" is a bit of a misnomer - it's the hope of the ancient Allagans. As long as the tower stands it's proof they existed, and with the truth of the Calamity leading to the 4th Umbral Era now known, perhaps people will recognize not all of the Allagans were "evil." If people are able to use it in the future, the Crystal Tower will truly be a "light in the darkness" of Allagan history; their legacy will not be one of naught but cruelty and ruin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
It's still a potential source of hope for the world, but the qualifier is potential.
This is all semantics anyway, but as close as I can figure G'raha did what he did to keep the legacy of Allag alive and shine some light on their dark history, as well as preserve a potentially invaluable resource and keep it out of the wrong hands for the time being (that and the "destiny" rubbish). I can only imagine how much ceruleum Lolorito's gonna need to run Omega without the Crystal Tower to provide practically free energy... -
05-09-2015, 04:31 AMEchofallsI sincerely hope that this something similar to what happens. If he does leave and try to lock himself back in, we'll.. just have to tie him to a chair or something until he stops being so... blood addled. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
What massive application would we use the tower for? A little voice in my head suggested "Blow up Zodiark!". Huh..
I don't feel comfortable letting it end like this, and considering that the story is rather loosely based around III.... Whatever became of that other character who thought it was his destiny to sacrifice himself... Hmm?
Let's wait and see..
In the meantime, I'll keep writing lighthearted, G'raha-related fluff in my Lodestone blog. :)
Phew... Writing this in between the floors of Syrcus Tower is difficult. -
05-09-2015, 05:15 AMFenralI'm "hope"-ing it won't wait that long, but if we really did just set up the Crystal Tower to finish off the True Final Boss of the whole damn thing, I suppose there are worse uses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
I already have head-canon covered for if the ending is ever definitively declared "open to your own interpretation." Yes, this entry actually avoided disqualification and won me an earring, which my retainer G'raha is now wearing. As an aside to Cilia, now you know who you've been debating "G'raha can never come back" with. Knowing your opponent is key.Quote:
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05-09-2015, 05:36 AMEchofallsWait... That was you? That was your image on Deviantart on your account? Huh...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Well, it would certaintly make an entertaning finish for finale, don't you think? :D
But let's hope that there's still more of Allag to unravel, too many doors still remain shut... -
05-09-2015, 05:43 AMFenralWait, you saw that version? Yeah, that's me. So hard to get exposure on DeviantArt without paying for it, so I just use it to store things I don't want to put on Tumblr. I'm glad to know someones seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
The Floating Continent coming up in the expansion apparently has a lot to do with genetic engineering, so that kind screams Allagan to me. Also, FFIII's Floating Continent was built by Hein, who got renamed to Amon in FFXIV, and Amon is kind of known for that sort of thing. The plot sickens...Quote:
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05-09-2015, 05:51 AMEchofallsAh, very good. I'd recommend checking your Deviantart notes, I feel a pressing need to take this conversation elsewhere before I drive the topic off the rails. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Didn't the guy who inspired G'raha try to throw himself into a reactor because "Destiny Says So" to keep the continent in the sky? I walk through Syrcus tower, I look at Scylla and I think " WTF was Allag doing to its people towards the end?!" -
05-09-2015, 06:03 AMFenralYes, but unlike the childish stunt G'raha pulled out of an inflated sense of self-importance, Desch actually had to do what he did or everyone on the Floating Continent would have died. It was sad, but he really had no time to think about other options, and, well, it proved to be enough to mark him as a soul capable of saving the Warriors of Light in their time of need. The FFXIV version is a bit odd on that, but it hits a few of the same points and left a few of the same possibilities open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
But yeah, the Allagans were F*d up, and telling me that they had the tech to hijack people's lives 2000 years after they all died out doesn't exactly give me the warm fuzzies it was (apparently) meant to. How many other Allagan "sleeper agents" like G'raha are out there, oblivious that the people of 2000 years ago have decided on a role for them in their plan and care nothing for the person they could have become on their own? -
05-09-2015, 06:30 AMEchofallsYeah, his ego was through the ceiling at that point, comapre him before and after WoD. With Heterochromia he seems much more humble, lost even. With red eyes he seems way too overconfident. "Heir to the thoughts and dreams of a lost civilization". Must make him feel very special.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Doesn't mean that we Warriors of Light won't give him a hefty /slap if he talks down to us. :D
Wasn't that 5000 years ago? Just be glad that the Allagans are only using blood as a medium. Dread the possibility as to if they could actually mind swap places with people. Imagine it, one day you're gardening at your house when you get a strange headache, the next second you're in an unfamilliar place, in an unfamilliar body, watching as the world falls to pieces... You're going to die here and a stranger will be walking around in your skin.Quote:
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*Lightbulb*
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05-09-2015, 06:40 AMFenralHe has all of Salina's memories (among others) mixed in with his own now. I'd say there's a second person in there already, if not a third or even a fourth. And we just let him go because he said "hope" a few times. That's not going to come back to haunt us...Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
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05-09-2015, 08:47 AMBloodyYou mean like the possessed Miqote who gives us the weekly Tower quest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
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05-11-2015, 04:59 AMEchofallsIf I recall correctly, I believe that Noah mentioned he was only "borrowing" Koh's body, she picked up the orb containing his soul and he let himself flow into her. I'd imagine it's more of a case of shoving her mind into a corner... Where she can only watch her body do and say things she can't control... and do naught but scream.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloody
What I meant was more like Lovecraft's Yithians. :D
On the upside though, I recently noticed that my G'raha Retainer makes his ears twitch when he smiles after finishing a venture. It's very sweet. :D -
05-15-2015, 12:48 PMFenralAny other Lore-hounds out there with an idea of how seriously we should be taking her, setting-wise? I suppose they needed some sort of justification for how we can still raid after the tower was sealed, but, of all things, the ghost of Archmagus Noah himself, ambling about the world of today in a brain-jacked Miqo'te (rather, another brain-jacked Miqo'te), muttering about how people should be free from the "shadows of the past?" And how exactly does he expect to get back to his resting place in the tower when he's done with, whatever he's doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echofalls
I think I'm actually more concerned at the idea of "her" being a totally inessential character in our ongoing studies of the Allagan legacy. -
05-15-2015, 01:31 PMmyahele
Yeah, it's kinda funny how it's pretty much hand-waived away that the soul/mind of an renowned Allagan is controlling the body of somebody.
Though, I supposed it makes alot more sense than G'raha remembering things due to his blood -
05-15-2015, 02:09 PMDualblade
A thought: Maybe that possessed Miqo'te will end being the starting part of the quest for unlocking Eureka? Or failing that, part of the quest chain, with G'raha locked in the Tower Noah'Koh would be the best bet of seeing whats happening with that.
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05-15-2015, 10:04 PMEchofalls... What do you mean another brain-jacked-?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenral
Oh. Right... :(
(Mental note to smack G'raha with my grimoire when next we see him)
You'd think that NOAH would care that one of their researchers is currently being possessed by the Allagan Archmagus...? No?
... Do you think there's any chance we could get some... Tomestones of Technology and speed things up a bit? -
05-16-2015, 05:36 AMFrederick22All we know so far is jus this big alllagan estructure, that we know as the "floating continent", where probably the new 24- raid is.Quote:
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05-16-2015, 11:49 AMReinhartThey've said in the past that the new 24-man raid is going to be new content for FFXIV, and not a nostalgic one like CT was. Also that the Floating Continent is an actual world map area and not an instance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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05-16-2015, 12:29 PMmyahele
That doesn't mean that it won't have an entrance to a raid like all the other zones, though:
http://www.ffxivinfo.com/heavensward/images/news/1.jpg
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05-16-2015, 12:39 PMFrederick22Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
You both guys didnt understand what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinhart
Yes the Floating Continent is the new area, but think guys. That place could be like Mor Dhona, might be the new area but that doesnt mean that the entrace to the raid is not there. Crystal Tower was there on 2.0, but all was locked until 2.1. Also, even that the raid is not nostalgic, that doest mean that isn't allagan related, and could be or could be not realted to the Crystal Tower at all. -
05-16-2015, 12:47 PMmyaheleThat's exactly what I saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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05-17-2015, 04:56 AMFenralThat can be explained, but the real trouble lies in figuring out where it becomes a beautiful tale of a long-forgotten hope, as opposed to a C-grade science-horror flick.Quote:
Originally Posted by myahele
From the mechanics that have been explained, I imagine the royal blood contains an extra bio-mechanical vector (i.e. nanomachines), though possibly more bio- than mechanical, given the Allagans leanings. This vector, functioning normally, carries all the extra information that would be useful to the royal family, accessible as a sort of memory expansion, in addition to serving as a near-field access key granting full admin rights over compatible systems, i.e. Syrcus Tower. So the Royal Allagan blood basically turns bearers into living Amiibos.
What happened with G'raha, however, seems to be the result of 5000-or-so years without maintenance. In a degraded state, the information could no longer be accessed freely, and any attempts by the "blood" to interface with their host caused intense pain as random bits of information were forcibly written directly into his brain, in a phenomenon that I imagine could have easily been mistaken for an Echo vision by knowledgeable observers. After receiving the "transfusion" from Unei and Doga, however, the degraded vector he inherited from Salina was able to use the stable vector to establish a proper link, suddenly and painfully forcing all the information, "memories," and "purpose" contained within into his head in one fell swoop. The end result is not entirely unlike "remembering," but all the established facts support that it was never something that he, himself, had ever "forgotten."
The exact nature of the vector is almost irrelevant, because even just knowing the mechanics as they were explained in-game I can't help but want to ask, "what about that was supposed to be hope, guys?" It also doesn't really help that he was unbearably vague as to his own personal motivations behind doing what he did, especially as an off-the-wall split-second decision. I'd like to hope that this all wasn't simply an unfortunate case of the writers trying to cram as much "spot the FF3 reference" as they could into their remaining runtime without much thought as to the implications behind the mechanics involved, but we just don't have an answer, for now. -
07-02-2016, 12:28 AMNalienNecromancer Unlocked!
Eureka... Yeah...
I just had an interesting thought on this... Given Deep Dungeons are going to be a thing going forward, and given Palace of the Dead will feature Edda regardless of your level (so you can encounter her again before Tam-Tara (Hard))... Well, I'm sure you see where I'm going with this...
Deep Dungeon: The Forbidden Land, Eureka
When can we expect this, SE? Don't act like it isn't happening... I know it's happening... Various loose ends throughout the story are starting to make sense now that Deep Dungeons are a thing... -
07-02-2016, 12:55 AMAlberelHoly necro indeed. xDQuote:
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But yeah I would love to see the Deep Dungeon feature used as a means to return to and explore areas with a few loose ends in the story. -
07-02-2016, 01:04 AMCausalityYou are forgetting every single Hope filled Giant outside of it that views it as a Sacred place and fight to the death to defend it from the archaeologists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayve
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07-06-2016, 04:00 AMFenral
Stop digging up my old shame! (Not that I really regret that much if it, but anyway...)
My current suspicion (hope?) is actually that CT will simply be included in the pre-4.0 recap, leading up to Eureka as our next Idyllshire zone. Yoshida did say he wanted it to have equipment and shops, right?
Yeah, right. Poor G'raha is apparently an even lower TT card priority than Doga and Unei. I was hoping he'd at least have factored into the explanation for Krile's entirely inexplicable knowledge of Allagan tech, but the only thing they seem to have in common so far is complete apathy towards the fates of their peers. And now I'm all sad again... -
07-06-2016, 12:39 PMCilia
So many things right, so many things wrong...
... well, the possibility is still there. As with the Shadow of Mhach though, I'm still not expecting it to have lasting implications on the overarching plot.
(And don't worry Waffles, G'raha will get his card yet! It's gonna be, like, 4 stars!) -
07-07-2016, 12:32 AMFenral
And I still think they kinda jumped the shark with the whole thing, introducing a character with implications that huge if they never intended to use them again. Especially if Garlemald was actually built by remnants of Allag. That'd be like fighting Nidhogg without Estinien.
(Maybe they have to wait on it, because they want to put it in the "Scion" category! I can dream.)