The Wyrmking vs. Thordan

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Originally Posted by Belhi

So apparently there is a Famitsu interview from Pax East that confirms Bahamut as one of the seven children of Midgardsomr.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ast_interview/

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"The 7 heavenly dragons will be key to the Ishgard quest. Nizbeck, Bahamut, Tiamat, and more. Bahamut's story will how he was summoned and captured will also be revealed."

Sounds to me like they'll be addressing Bahamut in the new quest.

Just read through that interview in its native Nihongo. He says that the story of how Bahamut was summoned and captured by the ancient Allagan Empire will be explained in a side story.

Call me crazy, but if Cid's moving to Ishgard, that probably necessitates dragging CT into canon to prevent him from being in two places at once (ha, let me dream), and Yoshi may have just hinted at the story behind our next 24-man raid. Sounds like there's a Meracydian Temple of Bahamut in our future.

Interesting. So, it seems to me that we wont actually be confronting Bahamut again, just getting some backstory on him and his 6 brothers. Though I imagain we'll be fighting at least one...

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Interesting. So, it seems to me that we wont actually be confronting Bahamut again, just getting some backstory on him and his 6 brothers. Though I imagain we'll be fighting at least one...

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6 siblings, not brothers. Tiamat is female, and Midgardsormr said that he sired 7 children, not 7 sons iirc.

For what it's worth, "Nizbek" is a mistranslation. The final version of the translation can be found here: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...29-Translation

Yoshida confirms that 3 out of the 7 Midgardbabbys are Nidhogg, Tiamat, and Bahamut. He refers to the origins of Bahamut and his summoning as part of a "side story quest". Let's hope the Delivery Moogle takes us to Meracydia!

I'm not sure if dragons have defined genders. People may call Midgardsormr "King of Kings" and "Father of Dragons," but as far as we know he doesn't have a queen, and he may have birthed his seven children on his own. In other words, I think dragons may be hermaphroditic. That is, unless the sin the Ishgardians committed was the slaying of his queen, the mother of Nidhogg and the other six children, which would totally make sense that they call for retribution.

The dragon story is almost certainly going to predate the Ishgardians. After all we have the Allag as well. Hell, we may even discover one of the civilisations from the other eras and how some of the other Umbral eras were triggered. I wouldn't be surprised if Mrs Midgardsormr died long before even the Allag rose to prominence. Midgardsormr strikes me as a rather cynical individual.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Just read through that interview in its native Nihongo. He says that the story of how Bahamut was summoned and captured by the ancient Allagan Empire will be explained in a side story.

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could have sworn that the fall of meracydia as explained in the binding coil.

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Originally Posted by Belhi

Midgardsormr strikes me as a rather cynical individual.

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he seemed straightforward to me...for a character of his archetype. but then again my language is set to jp.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

could have sworn that the fall of meracydia as explained in the binding coil.

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It was. But it didn't explain how one of Midgardsormr's seven offspring, a flesh-and-blood dragon, became a Primal to begin with. That story was apparently saved for the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Fenral

It was. But it didn't explain how one of Midgardsormr's seven offspring, a flesh-and-blood dragon, became a Primal to begin with. That story was apparently saved for the expansion.

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Or how they managed to get a distinctly angry primal and a fair amount of his followers into the artificial satellite. I'm gonna go with it was a trap, because that makes a decent amount of sense.

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Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst

Or how they managed to get a distinctly angry primal and a fair amount of his followers into the artificial satellite. I'm gonna go with it was a trap, because that makes a decent amount of sense.

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I always thought they defeated Bahamut with Omega, then some Allagan scientist had the twisted idea of using him as a power source. So they imprisoned as many dragons as they could in the satellite, brought a whole sea of crystals into the center, and forced them to summon Bahamut again within Dalamud; which they probably did willingly at first thinking that Bahamut could save them. Afterwards, the binding coils took care of the rest.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

I always thought they defeated Bahamut with Omega, then some Allagan scientist had the twisted idea of using him as a power source. So they imprisoned as many dragons as they could in the satellite, brought a whole sea of crystals into the center, and forced them to summon Bahamut again within Dalamud; which they probably did willingly at first thinking that Bahamut could save them. Afterwards, the binding coils took care of the rest.

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Kind of? It's my understanding that Bahamut was defeated, but not killed - subdued, if you will - and trapped in Dalamund along with test-tube-tortured Meracydians.

I'm gonna take an educated guess and say that the Allagan had more than one Dalamund - devices created for the purpose of containing live primals. That being the case, it would be only natural for Allag scientists to entrap a weakened Bahamut while trying to conquer Meracydia.

Anonymoose jestingly posted this picture;

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

http://i1310.photobucket.com/albums/...pseimwc2xz.png

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But it's probably a more accurate depiction of the Allagan Empire than most consider.

I totaly agree with you Trehavik, there is a Turn on the coils that make sense that the allags could have made a prototipe before making the real scale.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

I totaly agree with you Trehavik, there is a Turn on the coils that make sense that the allags could have made a prototipe before making the real scale.

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Well, the coils were Dalamund, so the fact that they were rebuilding the sphere for Bahamut-Remade makes sense there. No, I'm drawing my conclusion from A) The fact that the Allagan Empire seemingly got off on entrapping primals, not killing them, and B) "Mini Dalamund", which I found in the "Tour of the North" video.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Well, the coils were Dalamund, so the fact that they were rebuilding the sphere for Bahamut-Remade makes sense there. No, I'm drawing my conclusion from A) The fact that the Allagan Empire seemingly got off on entrapping primals, not killing them, and B) "Mini Dalamund", which I found in the "Tour of the North" video.

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It looks like dalamund but we arent quite sure if it is a remaking. we have to be closer to be sure. If you take a serious look at the video you will see that the swords that are arround the sphere are like moving

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

For what it's worth, "Nizbek" is a mistranslation. The final version of the translation can be found here: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/125...29-Translation

Yoshida confirms that 3 out of the 7 Midgardbabbys are Nidhogg, Tiamat, and Bahamut. He refers to the origins of Bahamut and his summoning as part of a "side story quest". Let's hope the Delivery Moogle takes us to Meracydia!

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According to the 2.5 Part 2 website, one of the 7 Midgardbabbys might be Vishap.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

For me, I just can't get my head around what he was doing during the Allagans reign if he predates them. I'm given to disregard his name, given Jourmangand (and Thor) show up in World of Darkness with no importance, and the German could be interpreted in various ways (at the beginning of time, at the beginning of current events, etc.).

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They didn't exactly elaborate on that "seal" that was supposedly broken either.