Hurray! Finally saved up 6mil for my personal house!

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

For me, money was NEVER the issue, availability was.

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Yes, yes it was. You did not have the gil to purchase the house when it came out. So, money WAS the issue.

Grats, OP. And could I get some money makng tips? :3 I'm poor as dirt.

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Originally Posted by Whimsicalalien

Grats, OP. And could I get some money makng tips? :3 I'm poor as dirt.

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Find something cool and sell it on the MB, make sure you undercut by atleast 10% of the cheapest price. Gil in pocket.

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Originally Posted by Ellatrix

Person who does not start to work on making gil until well after housing is released is surprised that all the plots are gone and taken by people who wanted a house and started working on making gil when housing was announced.

Haven't we seen this thread before?

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This is a bit of an idiotic response. By this reasoning anyone that joined the game after housing was released is not expected to be able to get a house?

SE really should have left the wards to FCs and given personal houses there own entirely instanced system. Anyone saying they don't have the resources to do that please look at every other MMO with instanced housing.

DC universe f2p model was capable of giving every player a free house with some decent functionality. Why not FFXIV with it's subscription model? (And no, i'm not actually asking for a free house, i'm still happy to pay, i just mean the ability to do so).

Fully-instanced housing is the way to go. Even on Balmung where essentially every plot on all wards are taken there is no 'community' to the housing wards. You may see people out and about, but Ul'dah/Mor Dhona are still where it's at for random chat with people.

Make it instanced, make it free (refund those who bought houses) and everyone's a winner. It's not hard. They've managed it with personal rooms, they managed it in XI for crying out loud.

The housing wards were an experiment that has failed. If you are working when housing wards are expanded on Balmung you will miss out on a small house again. It's not a question of gil, it's a question of huge demand caused by a throttled supply.

/still yet to see a housing system rival SWG's: Player-owned houses, cantinas, hospitals, rapid transport etc all in the open-world.

All small houses are gone on Atomos, a supposedly LOW pop server. So, the "you're on a high pop server" argument doesn't hold up. :/ SE could've done this in a better way. Let's agree to that at least...

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Originally Posted by Sadana

All small houses are gone on Atomos, a supposedly LOW pop server. So, the "you're on a high pop server" argument doesn't hold up. :/ SE could've done this in a better way. Let's agree to that at least...

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If it is full, it's likely only very recent. It took a long, long time for small plots to fill up on Adamantoise, which is larger than Atomos by about 20 thousand people.

However, that brings up the point whereby we really do need constant addition of extra wards to support this system; whether it's a large server with heavy demand or a smaller serve, they will fill up in time, especially with no auto-vacating systems or similar in place.

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Originally Posted by Zantitrach

Yes, yes it was. You did not have the gil to purchase the house when it came out. So, money WAS the issue.

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On Balmung they once sold out within 15 minutes of being added. Money was not the issue. Availability was. You're making assumptions.

No more small house, my neighbourhood is empty. Full of small house, nobody buy the medium house in front of me and the large house at one side near my large one :/

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

On Balmung they once sold out within 15 minutes of being added. Money was not the issue. Availability was. You're making assumptions.

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I think this is only true when the first personal housing came out. But when the subdivisions came out, it took a long time before all the plots were taken.
If you still weren't able to get a good plot when the subdivisions were added, you will have the same problem every time new plots were added and you'll still be homeless.

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Originally Posted by craig_meredith2003

No small left on Leviathian either.

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Really? Ah shoot and after spending a few mil on gear i was gonna save up for one :(

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I think this is only true when the first personal housing came out. But when the subdivisions came out, it took a long time before all the plots were taken.
If you still weren't able to get a good plot when the subdivisions were added, you will have the same problem every time new plots were added and you'll still be homeless.

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It was true when subdivisions were released as well. I don't know about 15 mins, but I know when I came home from work ~4hours later the smalls were all gone.

SE needs to do a few things to fix the housing situation on more populated servers.

1. Add more functionality for the larger houses. The only thing a medium or large house offers over a small is 1 or 2 extra garden beds, respectively. Why bother when it's cheaper to buy multiple small houses for the gardens?

2. Increase the item caps already. I know a lot of people or FCs, myself included, who refuse to buy a large house because it looks better to have a fully decorated small or medium instead of a sparsely decorated large.

3. Make transferring plots refund a portion of the gil, can be 25%, 50%, 14%, or some other arbitrarily picked number. Many small home owners settle for their small houses until they somehow amass enough gil to buy a bigger house. Refunding speeds this up and might help move some people into larger houses and free up smaller ones.

4. This is a personal thing but new maps please, not just a rotated copy. I find most of the large houses are inferior to smalls or mediums when it comes to scenery. Mist, guess which plots are always the first to sell. Those 3 small houses right in the front of the beach. Lavender Beds, that small house (plot 29 or something) in the corner of the map is essentially on an island connected by a small bridge with a nice view of the huge waterfall in the back; it's a quiet retreat home. The large house right next to it has a rock wall blocking the view and pretty much nothing else to offer. Plot 11 is a medium with a walkway wrapping around it with a small pond and a view of the lake and two waterfalls on the sides.

5. And, of course, adding more plots is always a band-aid solution, but that just adds more empty divisions on less populated servers and does nothing to help people move into large houses on the more populated servers.

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I think this is only true when the first personal housing came out. But when the subdivisions came out, it took a long time before all the plots were taken.
If you still weren't able to get a good plot when the subdivisions were added, you will have the same problem every time new plots were added and you'll still be homeless.

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Since you're on Mateus I don't expect you to know what happened on Balmung, but please check your assumptions at the door. Even when subdivisions were added I heard from multiple people the smalls were gone before I got home from work. It's an availability issue, and anyone who doesn't expect to have this problem every time new housing is added is fooling themselves.

Why don't they just make housing instanced or something? I don't understand why they had to do things the way they did.

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Originally Posted by Sylentmana

Why don't they just make housing instanced or something? I don't understand why they had to do things the way they did.

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They promised non-instanced housing before they worked out the practicalities of it. It was obvious something was amiss when they started saying the first wave of housing would be for FCs only.

Of course, we stupidly interpreted personal housing being completely seperate from FC housing to mean they would be different in some way.

i love having neighbors, really glad it isn't instanced, i'll literally sit around with them at the local market board and chat and craft for quite some time. But seriously, any person from this point on (or even at 2.4 drop) who does not have the gil on hand and ready when new housing is available (especially on such a populated server >.>) should expect this. Anyone serious enough to save up this kinda gil already knows about the housing situation and that it needs to be jumped on asap. Please be real people, it sucks... i agree, but you need to have a little foresight if you want to play house.

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Originally Posted by Pterois

Please be real people, it sucks... i agree, but you need to have a little foresight if you want to play house.

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And for the people who have gil but can't be online when the servers come up due to work or other obligations?

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Originally Posted by Pterois

But seriously, any person from this point on (or even at 2.4 drop) who does not have the gil on hand and ready when new housing is available (especially on such a populated server >.>) should expect this. Anyone serious enough to save up this kinda gil already knows about the housing situation and that it needs to be jumped on asap. Please be real people, it sucks... i agree, but you need to have a little foresight if you want to play house.

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No amount of foresight guarantees you a house. There are more people wanting houses on Balmung than SE can provide housing plots for. A new, casual* player has essentially no chance of getting a house. Housing isn't supposed to be be hardcore content.

*Casual in this case meaning 'won't take a day off work to spam the login button to have a chance of being one of the lucky few to get a house once every 4 months when additional housing is released'.

That's just it. This has turned housing into hard core content. Which makes me sad... and doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

On Balmung they once sold out within 15 minutes of being added. Money was not the issue. Availability was. You're making assumptions.

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The thread title specifically says that they just saved up the 6mil, though.

Gil was definitely an issue for them.

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Originally Posted by rappa

No more small house, my neighbourhood is empty. Full of small house, nobody buy the medium house in front of me and the large house at one side near my large one :/

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I see people around my FC house pretty frequently. My personal house too. I usually sit down at the market board and craft; there's several people that do the same thing. Sometimes we sit and talk. ^^

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Point is, there is nothing wrong with SE thinking players can afford medium houses. Anyone who actually tries to save up that kind of money will likely find a very easy way to do so. For me it was Demimateria and Ehcatl Sealant, even without that I could net ~500k/day off 30 minutes of basic Culinarian recipes... Even without crafting, the Duty Roulette, Challenge Log, and Treasure Maps were throwing Gil at me...

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On my server the only way you're going to net 500k/day off cul is by sitting at the retainer all day long constantly adjusting your prices to compete with undercutters. Gil is easy to make I'll agree with that but cul really isn't the way to go unless competition is small.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

It was true when subdivisions were released as well. I don't know about 15 mins, but I know when I came home from work ~4hours later the smalls were all gone.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Since you're on Mateus I don't expect you to know what happened on Balmung, but please check your assumptions at the door. Even when subdivisions were added I heard from multiple people the smalls were gone before I got home from work. It's an availability issue, and anyone who doesn't expect to have this problem every time new housing is added is fooling themselves.

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You should've expected this on a populated server. You know, that more people are playing.

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Originally Posted by Sounders

You should've expected this on a populated server. You know, that more people are playing.

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Shouldn't they dedicate more server resources to Balmung then? Give us more housing wards etc. You know, since more people are playing.

Regardless, under the current system, supply will never reach demand. If you're not at your computer when the maintenance finishes, you don't get a house.

Again, housing is not supposed to be hardcore content, I've seen people camp Fafnir/Nidhogg with less tension.

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Originally Posted by Sylentmana

Why don't they just make housing instanced or something? I don't understand why they had to do things the way they did.

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Simply because it will cost Yoshi-P more money. SO, as an excuse, he let the filthy rich sink some of their millions into a system that only the rich can afford, all the while saying it was better for the economy.

The rich get richer and the poor (or late-comers) get nothing in FFXIV.

And I love how those filthy rich blow in here and talk about how fair the current situation is. Do you all know how you sound? "Let them eat cake" indeed. It's laughable.

Just wanted to clarify a few things for those posters that seemed to miss it.



1) Money was never the issue, availability was. Money can be earned if one is frugal enough. Money doesnt matter at all if all plots are sold by the time you can log in due to server congestion immediately following the patch that brought more plots in. Also, what do new players do? is it then their fault for not buying the game at 2.0 launch or earlier? I know that 2.5 will bring in/back many players as will 3.0. With the way the housing is done, there will never be enough for everyone let alone just for those who want one. To be truthful, I've had the money for a while but with an influx of new players and the continued issues on many servers, I wanted to bring it to light again.

2) The current housing system is fine for FC housing but not ok for Personal housing. A personal house should have been a separate instance available to every character once they met the requirements. First come first serve should never have been a requirement for a personal house. It has been done this way in many other games (FFXI, WildStar, WKC, etc)

3) I did not pick Balmung because it was highly populated, when I chose Balmung it wasn't even an unofficial RP server. Come to think of it I was on Fabul when they merged with Balmung so I didnt even have the choice... I have been here (except for a short stint) since 1.0. I do not RP but wanted a house to decorate, have chocobo stables, a garden and crafting stuff. The free company I am in is in the same boat because we are a smaller group of closer knit players. Each time we saved up enough for a house, it got sold. So the best I get is an inn room... I would love to color my chocobo and I wonder how this will affect the chocobo breeding for the chocobo racing coming with the Golden Saucer? Will I need a house for that too?

4) It was not a "surprise" that the plots were sold out. I knew once I heard how "Personal" houses were getting implemented that (especially due to the server I am on and its current state)if i did not have the funds for my house and log on within the first 10 min of the servers going live, I would not get a house. The OP was just to state that I finally had enough for a small personal house and as predicted, there are none to be had. Now, even if they add in more wards, they will also get sold out within min of them going live, either by people like me or people who buy multiple plots to sell them to other players and make some coin.

5) As for server capacity, it take up so many resources BECAUSE of the way its implemented. I know they cant design the game to cater to a single server but this is not the only server having this issue and it could have been avoided if it had been done differently, imo.

6) This is comparable to how the Market wards were initially set up. It was a disaster and ended up having to be completely overhauled (and still slightly broken, but better). If they can fix the market wards, I really hope they can fix the personal housing.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

3) I did not pick Balmung because it was highly populated, when I chose Balmung it wasn't even an unofficial RP server. Come to think of it I was on Fabul when they merged with Balmung so I didnt even have the choice...

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This. We didn't choose Balmung, Balmung chose us.


/Besaid represent

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

The thread title specifically says that they just saved up the 6mil, though.

Gil was definitely an issue for them.

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Seems you missed the point. Having the money was irrelevant since there wasn't even a house available. You can have caped gil and it doesn't mean anything if you aren't online the moment the servers come up after new housing is added. Seeing as the OP was on Balmung, and I specifically was commenting on the state of housing on Balmung, the user if they had done their research would have known well ahead of time that the only way to get a house would be to prepare themselves for the next wave of additional housing. Chances are they were saving this money up for weeks and the whole time there was never even 1 plot available to them.

Also, since you want to go back to what the OP posted. He also said this.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

For me, money was NEVER the issue, availability was.

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So what was it about the money again?

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Originally Posted by Sounders

You should've expected this on a populated server. You know, that more people are playing.

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I believe you confused my comment to you as a complaint. It wasn't. I was just pointing out that you were incorrect in your assumption about the state of housing especially as it pertains to Balmung. I'm well aware that I'll never have personal housing until something about the system is changed and have zero hopes or aspirations to have one because of it. Until that time they change the system to make it more available I'm hoping for improved guild house personal rooms.

Those assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

And for the people who have gil but can't be online when the servers come up due to work or other obligations?

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i had work that tuesday morning when i was up at 3am (for 2.4)... i logged out right in front of lavender beds entrance knowing i would make the B-line straight for a house and started saving gil two months beforehand. I would sympathize if you were LITERALLY at work but if it was just to early for you to wake up then i would just say you were not dedicated enough lol. I have 4 kids and sleep is a very precious thing to me so i don't wanna here some i shouldn't have to story... people know the state of the housing market so you should have moved asap when you had the chance.

But i still think the housing situation is far from concluded, don't get me wrong, they still have lots of stuff to fix. BUT if you want to play a new housing market game... i occasionally see small houses open up for what ever reason (character deleted or they only bought the land but didn't build) if you keep your eyes peeled you will see one open up, just make sure you have the gil on hand at all times.

Small lots are like 1.8 mil. Balmung just have overpriced stuff with no availability.

...What small lots? All I ever see in Balmung are medium and large plots even those are far and few in between.

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Originally Posted by Pterois

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What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

I get that they do have bigger fish to fry but it feels like none of the issues that have arisen were ever considered when they developed the content. That's my beef, poor planning on this particular content.

It's isn't hard to make gil. That's not the point the OP is making. The problem is supply. SE frankly misled everyone when they announced that personal housing would be accessible and cheaper than FC housing. They must have had some other plan in mind when they said that. What they implemented is just more FC housing plots with sales opened to individuals.

Housing is not just for interior decoration. It's the ONLY way to access content such as Chocobo raising and gardening. SE should consider implementing instanced community gardens and stables to get around this.

I'm glad I got my house before the release of personal housing. I earned the gil, made a solo Free Company and leveled it up to Rank 6. Hopefully, I'll be able to participate in other FC housing based activity when it is released (such as air ship construction) as well.

Just checked, 1 open in Mist on Leviathan

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

What about those who bought the game in the last few days?

I get that they do have bigger fish to fry but it feels like none of the issues that have arisen were ever considered when they developed the content. That's my beef, poor planning on this particular content.

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yeah there is no arguing that...

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Shouldn't they dedicate more server resources to Balmung then?

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Such an unfair advantage. That's why people go to popular servers. You think you're special and you should get more privileges.
While those hicks in less popular servers wont get any.

SE, for Twelves' sake, please give Balmung free world transfers to less populated servers.

"Kick people off for being afk", "my friends can't make a character", "I can't buy a house".

95% of the time that a similar thread pops up, it's Balmung. That world has issues. Might as well rename this forum section "Balmung problems".

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Originally Posted by Sounders

Such an unfair advantage. That's why people go to popular servers. You think you're special and you should get more privileges.
While those hicks in less popular servers wont get any.

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They get houses....

I think SE was banking on the hope that players would largely be contented with the rooms within a Free Company house. But almost everyone wants to own a house of their own, and SE had designed a system that simply cannot allow for that. This is exactly why we need them to bring back the official player polls before implementing large additions to the game.