All Worlds Maintenance (Nov. 18)

If there are any changes to the dungeons, it may be to pets. They don't seem to have any damage resistance to the 5000 and etc Needles and can pretty much be instantaneously killed when people won't stay off of them, even if you place them. :p

Now that people are getting the hang of the dungeons I think they're seeing that they're not hard, it was just new mechanics that didn't "click" yet.

Nothing is getting nerfed. Dragoon is getting buffed.

Kraken hp reduction plz.
Plz? Plzzzzzzz

NIN should be balanced a little bit more, NIN DPS is a little ridiculous atm. Hopefully more dresses and suits for Eternal Bond will be released this patch :D, I want a veil for my bridesmaid dress!

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Kraken hp reduction plz.
Plz? Plzzzzzzz

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This. Kraken takes forever to kill compared to the other bosses, namely due to having to focus all DPS on the boss's arms.

All players named Violyre before 2.41 have a permanent 50% Echo buff on every class, everywhere in Eorzea.

According to Lodestone, that means only me and my alt. :D

Was it confirmed DRGs are getting a buff again?

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Originally Posted by myahele

Was it confirmed DRGs are getting a buff again?

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The devs did say in the english and japanese forums that they're looking into it.
I dunno if it will be this patch though.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

NIN should be balanced a little bit more, NIN DPS is a little ridiculous atm. Hopefully more dresses and suits for Eternal Bond will be released this patch :D, I want a veil for my bridesmaid dress!

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They might nerf nin's mudra potency i guess & the cost of tp for each move as u literally won't drop under 90% tp if u do a decent rotation without any death blossom spams.

seriously idk why people are whining about the ninja, okay aside from TP, but aside from that ninja is a rogue type character, in every mmo i have ever played rogue type character hit like a freight train but have shit def, if they lower the dmg too much, it'll break the character if u remember ninja takes way more dmg than every other job in the game, our def sux, yes we are nimble but the ocassional screw up is brutal, u nerf the dmg u break the class, yes drg does need a BUFF mostdef. but back to my point, the best thing they could do and not break it is lower the tp regen battle wise u kno the typical 60 tp ever 3 sec during battle to like 20or 30 and maybe make the poisons from 20 to mayb 10% thatll balance the job, cause if u ever played a rogue type character u kno wht i mean, low def but high dmg

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

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Ninja is unbalanced, this is evident to anyone that understands balance. Ninja's TP costs are the same as Monk with the potencies of Dragoon. They also get free power for no reason.

Don't nerf NIN. Buff DRG to be on par instead.

Echo for scob for the non static players. Hat3rz g0nna hat3

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

Ninja - ninja-nerf!!! /lolz

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why would they nerf nin? mnk is still the strongest dd, so they should nerf mnk in that case.
i'd guess at drg buff instead.
or new relic step. echo buff.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Ninja is unbalanced, this is evident to anyone that understands balance. Ninja's TP costs are the same as Monk with the potencies of Dragoon. They also get free power for no reason.

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only aeolian edge has high potency. you're using 2 dots who are a bit more costly, and res debuff as well, which aren't as strong.
either way, mnk is stronger, and drg is weaker; nin dont need nerf, drg need buff.
nin needs free power, or it would be weaker than drg.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

why would they nerf nin? mnk is still the strongest dd, so they should nerf mnk in that case.
i'd guess at drg buff instead.
or new relic step. echo buff.



only aeolian edge has high potency. you're using 2 dots who are a bit more costly, and res debuff as well, which aren't as strong.
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NIN have a lot of abilities that require no TP and you do not lose your combo when you interrupt to use them in between the combo actions.

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

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NINs arent fragile. They are pretty much equal to MNKs. If they were, they should have at the very least mdef as low as DRGs and HP like casters to be considered fragile.

If they nerf anything on Ninja, it should be the DoT potencies. That's the only thing which strikes me as superior on Ninja. Even Ninjutsu, when used in a proper rotation, shouldn't be doing more than what Dragoon offers in Jumps, and the "Dragoon has direction requirements on combos, Ninja doesn't!" argument kind of falls flat when you consider than Dragoon has no requirements on Jumps, while Ninja has to contend with latency messing up Ninjutsu; not to mention while Ninja only has three directional requirements, meeting that requirement on Trick Attack is pretty damn vital. I'd honestly rather have my directional requirements on GCD rather than on abilities...

I have a DRG in my static that changed to NIN. All I hear is "Goad please!" And "Trick attack incoming!"
They're good because of the utilities, dps wise any good player could do the same or higher with a MNK. The difference is the boost they give to the rest of the party, which is why I prefer having a Nin in my static.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

why would they nerf nin? mnk is still the strongest dd, so they should nerf mnk in that case.
i'd guess at drg buff instead.
or new relic step. echo buff.

only aeolian edge has high potency. you're using 2 dots who are a bit more costly, and res debuff as well, which aren't as strong.
either way, mnk is stronger, and drg is weaker; nin dont need nerf, drg need buff.
nin needs free power, or it would be weaker than drg.

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Sorry but Ninjas deal more DPS than us Monks, it is true. Also, no. Aeolian Edge isn't the only high potency, the DoTs and every Ninjutsu has high potency. Even Dancing Edge has high potency. Ninja's potencies are about as high as Dragoon's with the TP costs of Monk with free power. Monk and Dragoon has to work for their power, Ninja does not.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

not to mention while Ninja only has three directional requirements, meeting that requirement on Trick Attack is pretty damn vital. I'd honestly rather have my directional requirements on GCD rather than on abilities...

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No, they have two. Technically one since you'll never use Sneak Attack.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

No, they have two. Technically one since you'll never use Sneak Attack.

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I was counting Dancing Edge, though I guess that's simply for the potency, rather than the effect. Something they really should apply to Dragoon at this point.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I was counting Dancing Edge, though I guess that's simply for the potency, rather than the effect. Something they really should apply to Dragoon at this point.

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Dancing Edge doesn't have a positional, that is a mistranslation. The Japanese text doesn't mention anything about position.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Dancing Edge doesn't have a positional, that is a mistranslation. The Japanese text doesn't mention anything about position.

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Guess we've figured out the extent of 2.41s Ninja adjustments, then.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

NIN have a lot of abilities that require no TP and you do not lose your combo when you interrupt to use them in between the combo actions.

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same as drg and mnk...
MNK has touch of death, steel peak, howling fist, that you can use without interrupting combos, and they cost no TP either. (well touch cost tp)
DRG got jumps, and leg sweep.

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Sorry but Ninjas deal more DPS than us Monks, it is true. Also, no. Aeolian Edge isn't the only high potency, the DoTs and every Ninjutsu has high potency. Even Dancing Edge has high potency. Ninja's potencies are about as high as

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in that case, bad mnk. a good mnk is always highest dps.
the mnk in my static, always does 50dps higher than me, when im nin. i'm a few ilv lower, so i can catch up a little, but it's not possible to out-dps him, unless i get higher ilv. Also i could probably get a bit higher dps, if latency wasn't messing up mudras.
either way, without poison buff, nin damage would be lower than drg, and they are buffing drg, so there's no reason for them to nerf nin.
actually, after buffing drg, my drg will probably deal more damage than nin, so they might need to buff nin, instead :)

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Other times, he'll cast it so often that he goes full resist and starts one shotting healers around the 50% mark.
Random is good. Random is fun.
Random that NEEDS to be stunned is ... not so good.

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Doesnt need to be stunned, just need healer to keep on top of cleansing the poison debuff on players. thats what kills is the poison tick after, not the tail screw attack.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

NINs arent fragile. They are pretty much equal to MNKs. If they were, they should have at the very least mdef as low as DRGs and HP like casters to be considered fragile.

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actually ur wrong, ninjas take more dmg than a monk, if u dotn see it u havnt played the class enough, they take more dmg thn casters which are supposed to have the weakest def, go do raid on a monk or drg or caster. record the dmg u take, thn do the same on a ninja ull see an extra intake of dmg

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Ninja is unbalanced, this is evident to anyone that understands balance. Ninja's TP costs are the same as Monk with the potencies of Dragoon. They also get free power for no reason.

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i understand balance quite well, like i said ninja is a rogue type class, and no the potency is nowhere close to drg u obviously are exagerating tht. ninjas tp regen during battle is rediculous they regen it faster thn they can use it ie thts why u never gotta use invigorate, if u lower thier tp regen itll lower thier ability usage slowing thier dps enough. and have u tried dpsing on a ninja and not use ur poisons. u dps cant get close to blm bards or monks but whn u use ur poisons ur dps skyrockets. and also for ur point of their free extra power, tht has a downside as well. for one if u dps with out the skill speed buff ur dps sux. 2 its really easy to screw them up unless u macro thm but even tht has its issues they are extremely susceptible to lag screwin em up. thts why i said lower their tp regen decrease thier poison bonus from 20% to 10%. so yes i understand balance quite well read my posts before u start posting shit.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

What the hell is hard about Qarn? Outside of people going in blind and not saying so, I've *never* failed to clear this.

Sastasha on the ther hand, Karlabos. Something is off about Tail Screw. Most of the time, My Ninja can catch every single Tail Screw, right till its dead. Sometimes he will cast it when i have 5 seconds left on recast from the previous one, Other times, he'll cast it so often that he goes full resist and starts one shotting healers around the 50% mark.
Random is good. Random is fun.
Random that NEEDS to be stunned is ... not so good.

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You do relies that, that is what is called a hate reset move nad a healr chek, the fight is designed to see if your helers are on there game wich is why the move is almost fatal when it goes off, I never hered anyone stung that move to my knowledge this move was done on purpose to test the recovery abilitys of your healer. If you notice one thing about the move it never hits the healer.

Ninja does not take more damage than Monk, not before cooldowns are considered, anyway. They share the same amount of VIT and the same amount of Def/M.Def on their gear (when they're not sharing gear post i120). They take the same damage and have the same HP.

The difference is that Ninja has no damage mitigation. Perfect Dodge is about it, and that is pretty pathetic (oh what I'd give for All Fours to be deleted in place of a trait that enhances Perfect Dodge). It also lacks Bloodbath and a natively stronger Second Wind. Only real way a Monk is going to take less damage though, is if they pop Fists of Earth before an AoE, other than that it's mostly just Monk has an easier time healing itself. Honestly, the only issue I've had with survivability on Ninja is that I pull hate too much...

As for potency goes; Ninja has a slightly stronger potency than Dragoon just from comparing their GCD rotations, and that's ignoring the extra 5% damage Ninja just gets over Dragoon applying Heavy Thrust (ignoring Blood for Blood, though). Ninja beats both Dragoon and Monk in terms of DoT, too. Only real drawback is that Ninja has an extra skill in its rotation and Ninjutsu isn't as simple to weave as other cooldowns. Dragoon doesn't even really win out in ability damage either, Ninjutsu, even when using a proper rotation of Kassatsu/Raiton/Huton/Suiton/Sneak Attack, should be doing more.

Monk could really do with a Greased Lightning duration buff at the very least, though I really hope Lv60 brings Pugilist some skills similar to the PvP ones which can land you in Greased Lighting III right away. Dragoon could do with a potency increase on Jumps, perhaps a recast reduction. If they nerf Ninja, Mutilate/Shadow Fang potency could be lowered, and Aeolian Edge could be nerfed (alternatively, buff Full Thrust). Perhaps lower Raiton to 300 potency.

inb4 half the Ninja potencies I'm working off are translation errors.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

same as drg and mnk...
MNK has touch of death, steel peak, howling fist, that you can use without interrupting combos, and they cost no TP either. (well touch cost tp)
DRG got jumps, and leg sweep.

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Touch of death requires no TP and is off the GCD? WOW AWESOME NEWS.

All credibility lost.

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Originally Posted by Corfish

Which boss would be nerfed? None of the bosses in 2.4 HM are all that hard. Hardest is Qarn because people tunnel vision so hard.

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There are a few wonky things in some of the boss fights. The Sabotender's 100,000 needles are supposed to be broken by damage, but I've been in some groups where all the damage they could muster couldn't stop it but killing all the adds did, and other groups where we got killed after killing adds anyway. Wandil's Snow Drift doesn't always give freezy stacks to everyone and no one knows why. Mummy stacks from standing where the sarcophagi spawn stack way too quickly (I went from 0 to 4 in about two seconds the one time I stood on the edge), plus the time spent from waiting for sarcophagus to trap you, slowly become a mummy, finally get released and wander from one end of the room to the other just takes you out of the fight for far too long. Karlabos, while not really a hard fight if you watch for the slime drops and wait for Tail Screw after that, should really give a sniper lock-on icon on the character when they get Prey. And Fenrir really could use a buff; he's just too much of a one-note joke to be the final boss of a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Doesnt need to be stunned, just need healer to keep on top of cleansing the poison debuff on players. thats what kills is the poison tick after, not the tail screw attack.

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Downside is it can apply 2 stacks of this debuff, and casting Esuna/Leeches on everyone isn't always possible in the short time frame between poison application and Tail Screw, especially since you don't know which player it will target and up to 3 people may have the debuff on. This is why stuns are good... stuns are necessary.

To be honest, if there's a single fight worth mentioning it's the Captain in Sastasha HM. His gun gets progressively stronger during the fight, and can later on take down 5k HP in only a few shots. There's very little margin for error during this period, and it only takes a healer caught mid-cast when it starts to be shot down dead before they can even cure themselves.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

The Sabotender's 100,000 needles are supposed to be broken by damage, but I've been in some groups where all the damage they could muster couldn't stop it but killing all the adds did, and other groups where we got killed after killing adds anyway.

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Well, there actually is an add you need to kill to stop the needles, it has a green line. Kill that then you can stop needles with damage.

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

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Um what? Yes, the potenices are as high and sometimes higher than Dragoon's. This is not an exaggeration as you can just look at them. Ninja also does not have increased TP Regen, their regen is the same as every other job. Goad is a skill and cannot be used on themselves. Stop trying to defend the Ninja when it is blatantly overpowered. It is also not easy at all to screw up Ninjutsu, it is incredibly easy to perform. Your post is ironic since you just showed you do not understand balance nor do you know English.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

actually, after buffing drg, my drg will probably deal more damage than nin, so they might need to buff nin, instead :)

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Dragoon should deal more damage than Ninja, they should also deal more damage than us Monks as well since they have to actually work for their power. Also they bring zero raid utility.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Well, there actually is an add you need to kill to stop the needles, it has a green line. Kill that then you can stop needles with damage.

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Yes, that's always been the first to go in all of my groups.

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Originally Posted by xenosuke1

actually ur wrong, ninjas take more dmg than a monk, if u dotn see it u havnt played the class enough, they take more dmg thn casters which are supposed to have the weakest def, go do raid on a monk or drg or caster. record the dmg u take, thn do the same on a ninja ull see an extra intake of dmg

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For the slight chance that you are not a crazy man, i gave it a testing and took my DRG, MNK, NIN, BRD and BLM to shiva ex, coil turn 8 and some open world testing and compared the incoming dmg. All dps were ilvl 110, the NIN and MNK had the exact same left side gear.

In short, no, the NIN did not take more dmg. He took the exact same dmg as the MNK. He took less magic dmg than the DRG and he took less phy dmg than the BLM (just as you would expect it to be considering their stats) and his HP where roughly the same as the MNK (he had 5403 HP compared to the MNK having 5437).

NIN is not fragile, u crazy.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

NIN is not fragile, u crazy.

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I looked up on xivdb and even the Ironworks and Dreadwyrm armor has the same stats between MNK and NIN. In short, NIN is as fragile as MNK is which isn't very.

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Originally Posted by Hollowed

Touch of death requires no TP and is off the GCD? WOW AWESOME NEWS.

All credibility lost.

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nowhere did i say that touch, is off gcd...i said that it doesn't interrupt combos. i also added that touch costs tp

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Originally Posted by Fayto

Dragoon should deal more damage than Ninja, they should also deal more damage than us Monks as well since they have to actually work for their power. Also they bring zero raid utility.

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drg does deal more damage than mnk, per hit. the problem is that drg dps sinks like a rock, after bursting.
most mnks cant maintain GL, so they need to work more for their power, than drg.
but yah, drg should output more raw damage. but still, it's not nin that need nerf, it's just drg that need buff.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

drg does deal more damage than mnk, per hit. the problem is that drg dps sinks like a rock, after bursting.
most mnks cant maintain GL, so they need to work more for their power, than drg.
but yah, drg should output more raw damage. but still, it's not nin that need nerf, it's just drg that need buff.

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Problem with that is sustained damage is more valuable in this game than burst damage is and that is where Dragoon falls as it has lower sustained damage than both Monk and Ninja as well as no utility. Ninja also needs nerfing because of its burst damage is just as good as its sustained damage along with its amazing raid utility.

Also nerfing is usually done to set a character or job in line with the rest of the game to have a better game environment, nerfing Ninja wont make it any different other then a better healthy game. It is why Bard got nerfed in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

Yes, that's always been the first to go in all of my groups.

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For 100k needles, once the tank add dies, just LB the boss. Braver immediately interrupts it, caster LB should as well, if not just a couple hits afterwards should do the trick.

Same thing with Capt. Madison. last adds (before he leaves) + line of fire, kill the grapple add (slave) quickly if you can then just melee LB him or caster LB him + the rest of the adds and slap him a couple times if necessary. The adds after he leaves aren't a huge deal if everyone is alive at that point.