I too have frequent 90k issues and as such will never craft anything serious. I only levelled my GSM for Ehcatl quests and fixing my own accessories.
It is fun, and I am sad to give up on it so easily, but I am not willing to sacrifice millions of gils so I could say I crafted something.
Lost 3m for the DC，SE you win, I quit this game
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12-05-2014, 01:36 PMThistledown
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12-06-2014, 01:56 AMCorrel
Professional Software Developer here. Let me see if I can explain why the seemingly "easy" feature of auto-resume crafting would be rather difficult/dangerous to implement. Broadly speaking, the first task would be to decide where to store the save data. Here, you have two options:
Client
Effectively, after every crafting action, the game would need to save the state of the current craft to your hard drive, so if you DC/crash, you can resume the craft. The major issue with this is one of exploits. If I'm saving the state locally, anyone with sufficient knowledge can alter the save data to give themselves an advantage. Time for Byregot's Blessing? Hack the file to say I had an excellent condition! Given the advantage this would give people, it's safe to say that this is probably not an acceptable solution, so on to the next option.
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12-06-2014, 01:56 AMCorrel
Server
After each crafting action, persist that information to the server. This increases the amount of load on the servers and network as they need to be constantly saving data and lord knows those poor servers are already crying. Additionally, this will potentially increase the amount of time that every action you take on a crafting project, since the server now needs to do verify that it's saved the state to let you continue. Overall, this feature would either a.) Require beefier servers to be purchased to account for additional load (prolly should happen anyhow) or b.) Everyone logged in during peak times will get a worse experience because already stressed servers are being pushed even harder.
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12-06-2014, 01:57 AMCorrel
Other Misc. Issues
1.) Food/FC Buffs - How do these get saved? What happens when you resume after the timers should have worn off. How does this affect the rest of the game as food buffs get used in all levels of content.
2.) Macro execution - What do I need to save if a DC happens mid-macro? Should the entire macro be saved? What happens if the next login occurs on a different machine that doesn't have that macro? Do the servers need to start storing user macros as well.
3.) Patches - What happens if the DC happens right before a patch and something related to the recipe happens with the patch (difficult changed, HQ'ing made possible, etc...)? How do you reconcile progress made with the old recipe on the new one? Do you just throw away all stored progress on each patch?
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12-06-2014, 03:06 AMNoF2PI know the feeling, it's too cruel when that happens. When a game gets that frustrating it's time to move on. You're playing for fun after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur_Rivendell
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12-06-2014, 07:50 AMRiceisNice> Most of this stuff is server sided anyway....which brings to...Quote:
Originally Posted by Correl
>PS3 Limitations? Server limitations? This is one MMO game I've seen that apparently has this issue as a constant. We already have buffs and timers that tick real time even as your character logs off, as well as their location, state of health, equipment, etc etc. The only thing that isn't stored in the servers are macros, HUD, options, hotbars and gear sets.
>Like I mentioned above, food buffs, or just buffs in general still tick even when you're offline. This wouldn't be any different.
> You're thinking too hard about how macros work. All they are is a sequence of command strings put into chat box. I mean, even lag messes up crafting macros. DCing mid macro would cut the macro progress entirely.
> Why anyone would do a high-profile craft minutes before a patch is beyond me. Even then, there hasn't been any adjustment (to my knowledge) to crafts concerning their stats. The only change that was done was ingeunity's effect (which is a buff, and wouldn't influence the crafting stats directly). -
12-06-2014, 09:24 AMGiantbaneThe entire game world state is stored on the server and is managed by the server and server alone. The client is trusted to manage as few states as possible, and definitely nothing like crafting progress. If they trusted the client to handle the crafting progress, steps and whatever, that would have been hacked within hours of release.Quote:
Originally Posted by Correl
Server just needs to save the player & buff state and restore it upon reload. You wouldn't be able to touch that unless you hacked the server.
They *could* do something tricky where the server pretends you didn't disconnect and leave you in a completely static state within the game world. Just prevent the relevant buffs/food/whatever from ticking down. This would at least keep the crafting state unless the server shuts down (a much less frequent issue and usually predictable issue) without needing to add additional data (even if it could be temporary) to the character database. Although it's a little bit of a hack, so it's not the most desirable solution. -
12-06-2014, 11:09 AMYuki_Tokita
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12-07-2014, 02:17 AMgeordie
This is annoying i know how you feel just lost about 1.8 mil in mats due to a dc ; ;
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12-07-2014, 02:34 AMKirisunna
Hey, so just a quick thing about the dc problem 'cause it seems like OP's issue with the dc's is not just the mats they lost. They couldn't do any other aspect of the game either. Anyways, point being there is a thread for it http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ated-90k-error. The most annoying part is it's 22 pages long at this current moment in time and still no response from any mods.
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12-09-2014, 02:44 PMVorpal_SporkYour internet isn't going to suddenly stop sucking in your new game. I don't have any lag or disconnection problems so it isn't the servers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthur_Rivendell
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12-10-2014, 04:14 PMBubblegum01
Wow revelation! Just because you don't have dc issue it doesn't exist. I guess cancer doesn't exist too since you don't have it. Those people in poverty MUST be lying too!
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12-10-2014, 07:46 PMMancub22
Screw this game, spent the entire day farming mats and crafting to get those master demis from desynth. All I have to show for a days work is about 20 gold nuggets and a couple fieldcraft 3's, made no progression whatsoever. I at least like to have a little sense of accomplishment after hours of grinding and crafting but nope, a day completely wasted. I'm done with this joke of a game.
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12-10-2014, 10:17 PMDefterosdoes the artisan main hand desynth into fieldcraft 3 too? o_oQuote:
Originally Posted by Mancub22
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12-11-2014, 04:42 AMCerickI play the game with my wife sitting right next to me on the same connection from the same switch connected to the same router all through direct connect 100 Mbps and not wireless. My wife disconnects 90ks at least 1-2 times a night. We have practically the exact same PC build, same OS, same Network Card, same video card and same drivers etc.. as they were built from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vorpal_Spork
We play quite a few MMOs together and have noticed that FF14 definitely seems to be the least stable of any that we have played ( Everquest, Aion, SWTOR, FF14 to name some ) EQ for example, we have literally sat online for days as it does not have an afk timer. Aion the same thing, just put a piece of paper in the tab key to scroll through everyone around you while a private store is setup to sell items... hour to days and rarely get DC'd. FF14, only my wife gets DC'd nightly while I do not.
I'll be the first one to check for hardware issues in the case above since it is only my wife that is DC'd, but seeing as how other games do not DC us, very easy deduction points to server issues on SE side. -
12-11-2014, 08:12 AMColdHearted
Why blame SE? Check your ISP. Just because you don't DC and she does- doesn't mean there isn't packet loss somewhere between the router and the machine. Are you both playing FFXIV at the same time? Use 192.168.100.1 to check your modem's status, the forward should be between 10 and -10 and the reverse should be under 50 (at least in our system it is that way). You should also have 0 corrected or uncorrected code words. You can also use the IP of the router to log into it and check the settings. Do you have priorities set? does yours take priority over hers and therefore when a slow down occurs on the ISP side she is the one getting kicked? Run a speed test and a ping test on each machine (not at the same time), do the results match? What IP is the router assigning? If yours is a lower number than hers and the router does not have the ability to set priorities, yours takes priority. How in depth is your network? Adding pieces of eq adds "hops" or numbers of jumps a piece of data has to go through and back. did you try to hardwire her machine to the modem to see if the problem persists? Have you swapped her Cat5 cable with yours? Have you swapped ports on the router? Does she have any background programs running that you don't (torrents are a big one). Just a few ideas, feel free to ask any questions you have here, I will eventually answer.
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12-11-2014, 10:22 PMShneibelbecause of abuse, abuse and abuseQuote:
Originally Posted by Odd
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12-11-2014, 11:38 PMCerickI've tested the cables, the router, and the switch that is connected to the router. I've even replaced my Modem and Switch recently to update them to be identical across my house. I've hard wired the entire house when it was built. All lines test successful at a gig. Setup is Cable line into the house connects straight to the modem, in turn connects to the router in which it then connects to the switch in my computer room. The switch then is connected to 3 computers in the computer room, 1 printer, and on occasion a 4th computer when I work from home.Quote:
Originally Posted by ColdHearted
It just doesn't make any sense why we don't DC on other games that we leave on AFK for days at a time, but 90k on FF14.
We don't torrent or run intensive programs in the background. Quite literally the computers are used for gaming and that's it. All media is streamed from our network HDD to our TV in our entertainment room. Is it really that hard to believe that SE either has poorly written the code and it is potentially conflicting with drivers and crashes the client or that their servers are not networked efficiently?
Launch time with them rushing to get more servers onboard to cover the large amount of subs and even the recent DDoS attacks that has crashed the instance servers... When you rush a config.. bad things happen even if they are only intermittent. -
12-12-2014, 08:55 PMLemuel81
90k error is on SE side as far as im concerned. While I rarely have it, once in a blue moon does happen and i have a great connection. Its pretty silly to have the mentality of "I dont disconnect, but you do so its your end" Ive had at times my whole FC disconnect at once and sometimes only a handful.
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12-12-2014, 10:28 PMLineageRazor
While I sympethize with the OP, it could be worse. Much worse. The crafting system in FFXI was designed such that, no matter how high your skill, no matter what the recipe, there's always a chance of failure (I think a 5% chance?). More than once, I've failed a high-level recipe with ingredients costing millions, and lost everything. It had nothing to do with d/c, and everything to do with RNG.
This was balanced slightly by the fact that a failed synth didn't always lose all ingredients, but it sure did seem like the more expensive ingredients were the ones most likely to be lost. And, of course, some recipes were specially tweaked so that if you failed you were guaranteed to lose all ingredients. Hakutaku Eye Cluster was infamous for this.
On the plus side, if you DID d/c during a synth, the synth would continue to completion server-side, since it's all automatic once you choose the ingredients and start the synth. All in all, I'll take the low chance of a mid-synth d/c in this game over the 5% failure rate in FFXI anyday. -
12-13-2014, 09:12 AMTheodoreMcIntyreDisconnects are something SE should have planned for regardless of whose end it's coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoulstar