Few logged in because progress wouldn't be saved I've read. But I don't think I can side with that reason. If you love something as much as many here claim then they should have logged in regardless to show just how special it is/was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
So now threads like this surface, threads that even pose the question of would you go back to 1.xx ? To which a lot of people said yes. So did those who care fail themselves? I kinda feel like they did.
Can we have Tanaka back now?
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10-23-2014, 05:27 AMTeaTimeBear
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10-23-2014, 05:30 AMFumijj_Gah
Hiromichi Tanaka is one of best producer videogames' world had, ever. He was also the producer of my favourite MMORPG ever so far that I played for 11 years, Final Fantasy XI.
Tanaka jus had his view about MMO and he didn't care about the new generation who want everything and quickly and this killed his 1.0. However, like I already said lot of time, the care, music and design 1.0 had were ways better than ARR.
But ARR is a new generation MMORPG and we need to deal with that. -
10-23-2014, 05:30 AMRyuukishiSome people only want what they can't have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seoki
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10-23-2014, 05:36 AMEnthy
I would love to see Tanaka involved in FFXIV again. I think it's really unfair that he was forced to release his unfinished game and people graded it as if it was a finished product and bashed him into oblivion about how bad it was. Would you do the same with a Chef and the meals he prepares? No.
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10-23-2014, 05:42 AMGilraen
You know, again, the game may have been unfinished, but the systems noone liked weren't unfinished. They were Tanaka's idea of what people wanted, even in the face of said same people clearly bemoaning their very existence. And when asked to change or remove said systems he refused, stating that people will grow to love them. I admire people that stick to heir guns, but there's times where you should be the leaf instead of the tree.
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10-23-2014, 05:45 AMcookiecutterhttp://www.fbcomics.com/images/comic...0something.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Seoki
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10-23-2014, 05:47 AMSeokiThis is hilariously misguided and your bias shines through like a sun in the vast empty abyss of space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fumijj_Gah
More care than FFXIV:ARR?
You can't POSSIBLY be serious saying that Tanaka and his team had more care than anything Yoshi and his team have done for ARR.
You do understand that prior to Yoshi P taking over Tanaka's position in December of 2010 that there had been absolutely NO content updates.
NOTHING was added to the game, I am willing to bet you over 1 million dollars that Tanaka and his team had absolutely no intention of caring for their game.
Why? Because they did NOTHING. They never talked about what they were goign to fix; they simply ran away with their tails between their legs.
Music? That is arguable because both Soken and Uematsu created great tracks and you can vouch for both. So I'll leave it at that.
Design? This is where your bias really shines...
UI that was hosted on their servers in Japan that constantly were stricken with lag and latency issues.
There are no hotkeys to target the nearest available enemy
You have to click mulitple buttons to simply open your inventory there is no dedicated inventory button
No vendors were labeled and you had to aimlessly run (and I use run very loosely because you move like a slug) to find a shop that MIGHT have your classes gear.
Combat that was horribly slow and terrible! There was absolutely nothing to combat that kept it fresh and exciting.
No quests other then the main story line.
The only quests in the game are levequests and you can only have 8 every 36 HOURS (Take that in...8 quests every 36 hours)
There was no content in the game and the design was horrifically flawed.
Oh but you'll argue you could grind out with your friends and have group play like you did in FFXI? Too bad the fatigue system is there and slows down the exp gain you get to a literal amount of 0
So no the design was terrible the care was non existent and the music was fantastic.
Don't bring Tanaka back.
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10-23-2014, 05:49 AMFawkesPretty sure you had to have been paying for a sub when service "stopped" in september in order to even be able to log in after that. So people like me who missed out on the final days couldn't log in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
Also I don't think any of us knew they were throwing 1.23 combat out with the bathwater at that point. -
10-23-2014, 05:55 AMZReport
Man some of you dudes talking like you're gonna quit the game cold turkey post expansion.
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10-23-2014, 05:58 AMGilraenQuite, this just illustrates how loved 1.# was. I let my subscription go into auto-cancellation, but many jumped ship as soon as they qualified for Legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
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10-23-2014, 06:00 AMNamasuYou just did the same thing that you want people to stop doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
First of all, like it or not, Yoshi-P effectively ripped up the foundation that was 1.0 and rebuilt a new base to foster his ideal MMORPG that is FFXIV:ARR. It's been repeated and repeated so many times in interview and live letters that he wants to start with a simple base in order to support the growth of complex game mechanics in the future (he even said this again in his interview with reddit).
So there's not point into posing that what-if scenario again. It just won't happen. This game's foundation is already cemented and dry for the targeted playerbase and there's no digging it up again. If you don't like the current form of the game (yes nobody can truly admit it's perfect), my advice is to just go play something else and forget about it and just check up on the updates every once in a while. Hopefully ARR will add in something that you want, if not go look somewhere else and come back again or give up hope. The choice is your.
Also for the people that cry for big open dangerous world over and over, your wish will most likely 99% chance be granted:
"So now there's chances that you might get on your Chocobo and auto run, look around, go to get yourself a... "Oh I'm dead". We want to bring back some of that thrill and we're adding that to our concept for 3.0. But we're not going to make it anything as thrilling as the original Final Fantasy XI. We know that there's people out there who love that though." -Yoshida
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10-23-2014, 06:02 AMAntonius2004
Exactly, you are correct. I loved FFXIV 1.23 and even after the fall of Dalamud, I continued to log in, hell, I usually checked to see who else was on and the same six others were usually on with me. Ahh, playig the game during that final month and a half really felt like the end of the world as there only just that small number of people.
Regardless of that 2.0 is definitely a much better game, but if given the opportunity I would like to explore 1.0 Eorzea one more time. :) -
10-23-2014, 06:10 AMReplicaXCan always count on ya for humor in a very opinion heavy thread man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
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10-23-2014, 06:28 AMNoshpanYou've made me hungry for cookies. The temptation to open up a bag of the fun size Three Musketeers I have for trick or treaters in 9 days is great. I hope you're happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
(Someone ate my monster taco while I was asleep and left the empty bag in the fridge. I'm a little miffed about that. And hungry. So very hungry.) -
10-23-2014, 07:19 AMBlaiseArathThat response and the one about more varied itemization in armor a possibility were the best things I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Namasu
I liked a lot of what XI had to give me so I did enjoy some of what XIV 1.0 brought to the table. I was disappointed that XIV's open world was nothing short of a varied waiting room... but they went a way in solving that with hunts, making it at least someone useful to go into the open world. I mean, its a nice middle ground between NMs and Non-NMs.
I'd enjoy S and A Ranks more if they dropped vanity gear or pets or something other than bloody logs.. but its a start. -
10-23-2014, 07:27 AMAdeline
Someone please tell me this thread isn't real and that all this is a figment of my imagination due to my lack of sleep/food over the last two days.
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10-23-2014, 07:43 AMcharlemagne
At the end FFXIV was a pretty damn good game for the most part. There was a fair amount of it I prefer to 2.0, but it wasn't in any way Tanaka's game. Yoshida's changes were what made it an enjoyable game. If FFXIV had been released in the state it closed I think it would have been a success.
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10-23-2014, 07:52 AMMahriMaaan, why'd you have to go and be all reasonable like that? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gramul
To be a bit more constructive, and in counterpoint to what you're saying: 1.0 didn't feel like it was intended as a wide-open, freeform sandbox. It felt like they just slapped down a lot of space to run around and grind in, and they're on record as saying that they thought people would stick around just because it had Final Fantasy in the name. It was less poor game design than the absence of game design.
I'd say FFXI was actually better, because at least there was some rhyme and reason behind its stiff impenetrability, though there were still a good amount of highly questionable choices and some stuff that felt clearly designed to restrict and punish, devoid of rewards even remotely proportional to the difficulty. -
10-23-2014, 07:52 AMMahri
(continued from previous post due to character limits)
Still, if people are feeling a marked contrast between 1.0 and ARR, and feeling that the current experience is too directed, that's fair, but I'd point more towards the leveling experience, with its very linear sequence of story quests (which you CAN break away from, but why would you, since you must progress to unlock new features?), as opposed to the endgame, where things actually open way up and you have a number of viable routes to go with character progression -- and hell, "progression" is something you can define yourself. Is progress better gear? Go get 'em! Is progress advancing the storyline? Advance! Is progress just getting free reign of the world to bumble around in and find stuff to do? Bumble away!
Something in particular I want to say: Hunts actually bring back a good feeling reminiscent of FFXI. They're weird, obtuse, and have a dumb pseudo-competitive "don't pull yet!" element, but they reward cooperation (in communication at least, if not in party dynamics) and have a rambly touch-and-go improvisational feel that nothing in, say, World of Warcraft quite compares to. -
10-23-2014, 07:57 AMMoqi
He'll be available at the cash shop!
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10-23-2014, 08:03 AMMahri
To be fair, I would buy a Tanaka with cash if I could make him go back and finish disc 2 of Xenogears.
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10-23-2014, 08:07 AMNyalia^--- This. Stupid FF7, causing them to divert resources away from Xenogears and release the game unfinished :( Not that FF7 wasn't a good game, but Xenogears was a masterpiece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahri
On topic, please no, thanks. I avoided 1.0 like the plague because it was horrible. I have no interest in playing it, never have, never will. 2.x is good fun. -
10-23-2014, 08:09 AMMahri
It was FF8 that stole all Xenogears' budget.
Yep, we got a 10+ hour cutscene of slideshow narration just so we could have "whatever" ad infinitum. -
10-23-2014, 08:12 AMNyaliaOh, was it? My memory is terrible, and that was a few years ago. If it was FF8, bah! FF8 was terrible and didn't deserve the budget it stole. Unless, of course, the Xenobudget was spent entirely on the Triple Triad game, the only good part of FF8. Then that's more okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mahri
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10-23-2014, 08:13 AMGilraenVII wasn't finished, either. To be fair, it was finished, but not by Square proper. About halfway they shipped it off to their US branch for completion. You can tell this best in the cutscene quality and in Tifa especially.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyalia
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10-23-2014, 08:17 AMMogi
Oh look a other i want 1.0 back bla bla bla wait till 3.0 is out jeez
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10-23-2014, 08:18 AMReplicaXTo be fair, they didn't have Yoshi back then for QA purposes aka "No! Recompose!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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10-23-2014, 08:24 AMKerwin
Tanaka was a scapegoat for 1.0's failures because SE pushed him to release an incomplete project. I enjoyed Yoshi ' s changes to 1.0 > 1.23 and was really hoping that they continues patching and fixing it. Engine limitations was the most serious issue with it though. Limiting total characters on screen to near 40 was a bit of a problem.
What I did love though was how the community treated each other then. Very reminiscent of XI. Now everyone treats each other so terribly in Duty Finder and without a static, makes content even harder to access.
Best let it rest and move on. -
10-23-2014, 08:29 AMLux_RaynaWhen I played XI ppl were a-holes. Not sure where this rosy view of XI community comes from. I played right after Rise of Zilart got released and had no such experience. 1.0 was honestly more of the same. Online communities have been bad since Runescape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerwin
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10-23-2014, 08:53 AMWelsper59I'm definitely one of the people that had a "good" community to work with. PUG groups were generally easy to get along with on Ifrit. The JP only comments weren't too abundant between individual players too. Heck, I'd say at least a quarter of the parties I joined during the first year or so of XI NA release was with JP players. During endgame, drama came up every so often, but the players themselves weren't difficult to work with usually... at first. Then the typical rush/SR mentality sat in and people were beginning to frequent the A-hole attitude a lot more often than before. The times were changing afterall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna
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10-23-2014, 08:53 AMZumi
Basically, if you played FFXI in the Zilart days, you would know all the trash taking people did at end game camps most LS hated each other with a passion, and hostility that went on when someone from a rival ls claimed a king. The constant KB wars where people would try to steal kb. The worst I seen at KB was when this one JP player kept spawning the Zilart mission weapon NMs and try to keep dragging it on whoever was fighting KB. Fafnir camp there was always people trying to mpk with spiders.
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10-23-2014, 09:43 AMDagr81
i really want to know what his vision would have been.
I really don;t think his the one that force the game out, in the state it was in.
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10-23-2014, 09:45 AMRakaMaimhov
Maybe MMO directors should be elected every 4 years or something the way some national leaders are. Tanaka had far too many "terms" between FFXI and FFXIV to be re-elected yet again. ;D
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10-23-2014, 09:55 AMAlkimiConsidering how badly that game ran (10-15 fps on max settings with a GTX 480, one of the best graphics cards out at the time) I can't even imagine what the PS3 version would have been like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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10-23-2014, 10:03 AMSapphic
Main things I remember from 1.0 are:
Having to walk aaallll the way around becuase of a tiny step and no jump, also remember the nerdrage on the forums when someone mentioned that they add jumping, argument against was pretty much it would turn every into kangaroos and spoil there immersion :P
Spamming 1 skill to build up TP.
Leve parties. Getting aa leve with Cactuar in west than and the party getting one shotted by 1000 needles. Hated Cactuars.
Boring and pretty pointless, but pretty, open world dungeons.
Annoying Ants in Thanalan.
A huge list of content they posted during Beta after people complained of there being (practically) no content in Beta, expectations where that the list of stuff would be in for release, it wasn't, what was in Beta was in live 1.0.
Having to go back to the aether to recharge mana, during levelling mana dropped pretty fast so you where constantly having to go back to recharge.
And as a positive, admiring the detail in the textures for the gear, that was perfect. Only thing though XD And Ydas voice in the Gridanian starter cutscenes, do prefer 1.0 Yda.
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10-23-2014, 10:22 AMAmberionTrue, he should have run the game like he did FFXI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagr81
When someone told him what to do, he did this:
http://i1017.photobucket.com/albums/...ps57f17799.jpg
Instead he let the other devs and higher up pull the strings. -
10-23-2014, 10:29 AMSinisterIsBack
I really do miss danger in MMO's.... nothing is dangerous in the open...at all.
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10-23-2014, 11:14 AMMilesSaintboroguhThere's little reason to make things dangerous for the sake of it if it serves no purpose. I'd be more annoyed than afraid if I got stomped on every single time I went out to do a daily, spending 20 minutes to get to a quest that takes less than 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack
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10-23-2014, 12:09 PMMahri
I do agree with the sentiment that Tanaka is kind of a scapegoat for the 1.0 fiasco.
Really, the state of the game itself was symptomatic of a MUCH bigger problem with Square-Enix company direction that still kinda persists to this day. FFXIV remains, for the most part, an oasis amidst it because it's got a bunch of crazily focused maniacs at the helm. -
10-23-2014, 12:25 PMMugiawaraNot saying this is the best MMO I ever played it's pretty copy paste, but let's not forget that 1.0Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodLines
DID fail horribly and it made 2.0...Why is everyone coming out the woodworks now?
Should of stayed put in 1.0. There could be some things that should be added from 1.0
but let's be real here, game sucked oh well, and now you got some thing like this
that many people enjoy albeit pretty hold your hands and gg easy for the most part... -Shrugs;
Seems to be 1.2x was heading to the right direction but it was too late...Ah well.
Yoshi obviously went the safe route for now. Well...it's working.