If SE put up one server of final fantasy 14 1.0 would you go back?

Yes! I would love to try 1.0+ since I didn't have the opportunity to try it before. Also, I'm one of those people who actually like FFXI combat system, therefore I wouldn't mind 1.0's one. Yes, it's slower compared to 2.0, but this is not an action game, it's an RPG! RPG. With a slower pace combat, I was able to admire everything I was fighting and that helped me to get immersed into the fight. With 2.0's combat... most of the times I'm too busy looking at my skills and red AoE that I don't even have time to look at the mob completely lol. So yes, I would. :)

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Good times were had with people forgetting their oils and trying to sneak through tunnels just to end up training the whole place. Also, Blood Aggro made KRT monk party much more interesting and kept you on your toes.

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Not sure if sarcasm or not. I don't think so..? lol :P

I had a lot of hilarious times in FFXI just managing that system. I liked the feeling of "preparing" to go out on an adventure. You thought of what you did before you did it, like playing Witcher on crazy hard mode - you don't go without crafting for the occasion lol, you prepared for every adventure (there are many games like that, just played modded hardcore difficulty witcher recently hyping up for 3.. its on my mind ^^).

Also since we are talking about it, I feel like there are a few monsters that still have types in ARR... I swear Ochus see from all directions (smell?). Specially the ones by Hawthorne hut or w.e in East Shroud, they turn around full 180 to spray all over me lol.

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Originally Posted by Leowilde

Let me just point out that many of the players here, myself included, are members from XIV's original release. The game was eventually shut down to be remade, and we waited while they did so. We werent' waiting for a different game, we were waiting for the same game rebuilt. That is why many people will talk about ARR and compare it to the original, and wether one agrees with their opinions or not, I do think the comparison is both natural and entitled.

ARR is a different game only in the sense that they molded XIV in a more mainstream and shape, it is still the same logo (with the addition of "A realm reborn"), the same lore, even the same NPCs. If you pay even the least attention to the dialogue, the changes that XIV went through during the downtime are explained by NPCs, such as changes in the landscapes, the Moogles' new function as postmen etc. Would you then claim ARR to be a brand new game? I certainly wouldn't, it really isn't. It's the same game, under a new direction of game design made by the team to make the game float. It's no wonder people compare it to the original, wether they like or dislike the changes.

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To a certain extent I truly understand where you're coming from. And I appreciate the gentle approach towards me as well in your post. Me personally, and if I can find it, I thought it was stated FFXIV:ARR was a new game, from FFXIV. Mainly, a different engine, and different servers. To me that's new game. But I'm not ignorant or blind to the fact that the lore, some of the music, and most of the atmosphere is from FFXIV. Which I appreciate, even if I didn't experience it first hand myself.

I was pointing out, that there is such a thing as holding on to something for far too long. I learned that personally the hard way when it came to FFXI. Thankfully I left before, what I thought personally was just another bullet into poor FFXI, SoA came out. I personally wasn't thrilled with the direction XI was going in after Abyssea (I actually loved Aby, that's my opinion though.) I don't mind if they actually add more FFXIV elements into there, I think it would make for some exciting things to happen. I'm excited and happy for the future of this game and I can't wait to see what Yoshi-P brings to the table (Since if I'm not mistaken, he brought Abyssea to FFXI, which I thought was awesome.) Any who, the point I was simply trying to get at is this, those who are filled with such resentment and hate towards FFXIV:ARR, it just confuses me as to why you toture yourself in staying here or in the game or both. Why play something that you don't enjoy? To those that stay, from FFXIV, that want to see it grow, and give positive and helpful suggestions, that's great! I hope you guys continue to enjoy and get excited for the future as I do.

In short, I just don't think moving backwards towards something that isn't even a game anymore, will help the future of FFXIV:ARR.

In a heartbeat, if they would update it like they used to and add new content.

Having experienced 1.0 in the original beta I must answer with an emphatic "No". 1.0 beta almost made me NOT want to participate in the 2.0 beta. That is how terrible it was.

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Originally Posted by Yamimarik

I don't mind if they actually add more FFXIV elements into there, I think it would make for some exciting things to happen.

Any who, the point I was simply trying to get at is this, those who are filled with such resentment and hate towards FFXIV:ARR, it just confuses me as to why you toture yourself in staying here or in the game or both. Why play something that you don't enjoy? To those that stay, from FFXIV, that want to see it grow, and give positive and helpful suggestions, that's great! I hope you guys continue to enjoy and get excited for the future as I do.

In short, I just don't think moving backwards towards something that isn't even a game anymore, will help the future of FFXIV:ARR.

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I guess the negative population of the original players linger in hope of changes that will bring back what they loved about the original. The exact thing people miss probably vary from person to person. Some of those things I honestly think might come in the future, like larger zones, eventually. Others, probably not.

Anyway, to answer OP's question; no, I wouldn't play on that server. But for me it's mostly a matter of immersion - I'm no roleplayer, but it would feel odd to be there if the original landscapes were present, like good ol' Coerthas. As much as I loved Coerthas back then, storywise it doesn't look like that anymore. Nostalgia would definetly be a reason to play, and also just for the fun of seeing how slow the combat system actually was (I really never thought about it, but I'm pretty sure I'd notice the difference!). :) But no.

Definitively yes, even if I am enjoying ARR, 1.0 had magic I only found on Vana Diel (FFXI, actually the best MMORPG out there imho).
FFXIV follow a quest-layout that's nice in some ways but too linear: FFXI and XIV 1.0 just made you in an amazing world with an incredible OST with no guides or hints. However, they could improve UI.

I would not. Just because I would miss a lot of features of this game, the DR for one, jumping, and not having lag (THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME) In 1.0 there was lag, no matter what, so Titan would not work ever, unless you had a machine to tell you about everything coming up. The lag is what made 1.0 really rough :(

Other than that, I really enjoyed the gameplay itself, the "skillchains" were fantastic, breaking horn's if you wanted it to drop and such that was amazing...i do miss that.

-Tari

it's just certain elements that i miss.

bigger areas.
better graphics.
casting while moving.
not so WoWish.
not so flashy.

but there were just soooooooo many flaws.
all in all i like ARR a tiny bit more.

There was a reason why nobody was playing on 1.0 (was more a 0.3 in my eyes, I have impression it was like " oh, the game is not finished, whatever, lets give it to them like this" )

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Ironically, Yoshi did in fact plan to keep 1.0's servers up and active as long as there was sufficient interest from players. Accordingly he actually brought the game back online two weeks after the initial shutdown for a little over a month at the end of 2012, but because no one really cared (I logged in regularly and there was like hardly more than one or two people on my server at any time), SE decided to shut it down for good on December 31st 2012.

So yeah, players had their chance to keep the original game active and they squandered it.

Although there are some things I miss from 1.0, ARR is just better in every way, and thus 1.0 thoroughly deserved it's bullet behind the ear.

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If they announced that everything you did in ARR for the next month wouldn't matter, and there would be a rollback, would you log on? Would most people? Ask yourself that question and answer it honestly and you will know why no one was on when 1.0's server were brought back up that December. I am not saying ARR isn't better, nor am I saying 1.0 didn't have major issues. However, to state it the way you did, without looking at the obvious, is disingenuous at best.

Yes I would. 1.0 got better each and every update. Content wasnt nerfed and there was no ilvl's. The relic quest was a hell of a lot more challenging and pretty much everything wasnt dumbed down for the lowest common denominator. You could actually over meld and it meant something as well as everything wasnt handed out like candy.

What I'd like is for them to import the 1.0 Storyline into 2.0 so those of us new players could do all the old fights. I'd only do it though if the entire system was using the current ARR engine and game mechanics though. Don't bring back the old class systems or skills, keep what we have now just put the old story in it. Perhaps as some sort of Flashback?

For screenshots and stuff, sure. Also, I could play the content I missed.

I'd play on it

By play I mean take a few hundred screenshots of my cat's lovely arse.

For the feeling of adventure, yes!

I would play 1.0 over ARR

If both ARR and FFXIV 1.0 existed and both got their fare share of updates and hot fixes I would choose FFXIV 1.0

IMO I feel FFXIV did the following things better:
Battle System(slower but strategic)
Open World(actually felt like a world not someones aquarium tank)
Graphics(better detail)
Music(literally every song in FFXIV 1.0 is better than ARR Emerald Labyrinth was my fave)
Gear Design(though there wasn't much in the game at the time they were well detailed and practical,not just some cheesy glow slapped on it)
Community(no duty finder made it so we had to make friends)

What I feel ARR did better:
Party Finder (not duty finder)
Market wards
Jumping and collision detection
UI customization

I tried 1.0 way back and personaly the game was a trainwreck, from a weird system to the copy pasta zones. I would try it for a day to see the differences, but transfering from 2.0 to 1.0 is a big NONO

Example of copy pasta zones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La9nLBfH44c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA7GGnyNwEs

If you guys want to see a preeview of FFXIV 1.0 and its content, watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei0GxMOBztA

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Not sure if sarcasm or not. I don't think so..? lol :P snip

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Nah, wasn't sarcasm. It was really hilarious to see people trying to be ninjas without oils just to die midway of the tunnels or people not refreshing powders when going to Aspid. KRT group was doing Merit Points on hard mode as well. One misstep with low HP and you had more than you can handle.

I would never go back to 1.0

I would go back to 1.0 if they brought tanaka back and let him finish the game with the resources yoshi had to put together ARR, which is what FFXIV 1.0 really needed, more time and manpower to get properly finished

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Originally Posted by Gralna

No. /10char

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I bought the game originally and played it maybe a week. There's a reason I didn't put any more time into it and have no desire to ever go back.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people talk about how much better 1.0 looked. Every screen shot of the 1.0 Shroud looks like the same dark green blur to me? :S

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Originally Posted by Sammich

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people talk about how much better 1.0 looked. Every screen shot of the 1.0 Shroud looks like the same dark green blur to me? :S

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Not everyone could actually boost the graphics fully - You also probably seen a lot with AO on, which is what murdered many people's GPU so they always had low settings. ARR's graphics are actually a lot lower quality, they're just more vibrant so it looks "better" - the textures are actually fairly low res (zoom in on some.) 2.0/ARR was supposed to be 1.23 with better optimization, server architecture and more content, the promo screenshot was just that, then they pulled a 180 on that.

A world free from PS3 limitations?

Count me in!

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

A world free from PS3 limitations?

Count me in!

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Then you have to conquer:

Developer: "We don't want to do this style of content, enjoy the limited and be there done that style of 'WoW standard' content."

I would go back. With all its issues it was more of an MMORPG.
If SE had Tanaka for it, the better.

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Originally Posted by sorahu

remembering the puzzle of the black shroud and figuring out how to get to grindania for the first time, I mean 1.0 just seemed so deep

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I remember the puzzle of the black shroud too. I started there. It was a TERRIBLE starting zone. first thing most people did in gridania was buy a teleport to Ul'dah or Limsa, so that leaving the damn place wasn't so difficult.

so... nope, i don't think i would want 1.0 back these days. i do nostalgia hardcore for some of the stuff we got to do back then though, for the end of an era storyline.

I'd try it, am curious about it. =P

no, but I want my miqo'te hips from 1.0 back ! and the same dungeon system as well, but the hips first

That Gaurda video looks slow as hell.
The Dragoon did like 1 attack and hid behind the rock...at one point in like a 15 second time span...as a matter fact, everyone is hiding behind rocks forever before Garuda even comes near the tank.
O.o How did you guys put up with such SLOOOOOOOOOOOOWW combat? I thought the 2.5 gcd was killer...xD Then again FF12, yes 12, was boring to me because of combat so I probably
wouldn't of liked 11 much.

I'll say the effects sound pretty cool, bard looks cool, and the animations look nice.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Then you have to conquer:

Developer: "We don't want to do this style of content, enjoy the limited and be there done that style of 'WoW standard' content."

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Answer me that:

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Originally Posted by Dwill

... if you think the game still struggles with basic concepts, then why are you still here ? Certainly the game must be doing something right if you're still playing it and not out there playing WoW, Korean MMOs or FFXI.

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Answer me that:

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One doesn't have to think all the games content is good to enjoy other parts.

Alot of people end up staying in MMOs that generate no interest to them by the fact they have a community of people they enjoy being around. Please don't dismiss people just because they don't agree with you. Tupsi has every right to dislike game systems and to ask for different content as much as you do to defend whatever it is we have right now.

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To be on topic, I just would have liked to see Tanakas original vision for the game. In interviews with him prior it was obvious he didn't have any control from the get-go to design the game at all. He seemed to just be there for a scapegoat when things went bad. Not that I don't have faith in Yoshida but it's painfully obvious he has corperate execs breathing down his neck even harder to make this game follow the safest formula possible.

I would go back for the better movement motions (especially Lalafell!!!! I want my cute Lalafell demeanour back!! :(),
the original armoury system (being able to use all skills and super-personalize your character),
the vastness of the maps (the world felt really big, not like now),
the various detection from monsters, the various leves mechanics we had (more than just kill this and that),
the mini-games for gathering (a million times better than the current point and click for simpletons)
and the feeling of danger when walking in the world (mobs level 99!).

However, I would really miss jumping (even though it is flawed in ARR -- only two: walking or running jumps, no standing forward jumps),
the better character creator,
the areas are more alive in ARR (world objects and towns are properly represented),
the interesting story,
my magitek armor from FFVI,
chat bubbles (only NPC though... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.png) and the better UI.

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One doesn't have to think all the games content is good to enjoy other parts.

Alot of people end up staying in MMOs that generate no interest to them by the fact they have a community of people they enjoy being around. Please don't dismiss people just because they don't agree with you. Tupsi has every right to dislike game systems and to ask for different content as much as you do to defend whatever it is we have right now.

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When one only says negative comments and feedback about the game, we can only wonder if that person actually enjoys any part of it.

And I'm not dismissing Tupsi because of a difference of opinions. I'm dismissing him/her based on the fact that he/she keeps basing this/her claims on "Yoshi P said this, Yoshi P said that, From Yoshi P's own words" without providing actual source to back said claims which makes it seems like he/she is making things up just in hope of rallying more people toward his/her point of view, facts be damned. Everytime someone disagrees with him/her and calls him/her out on it, he/she magically disappears only to come back later rehashing the same things later on in hope people forgot about it. He/she has been doing this for quite sometime, the pattern is easily recognizable. He/she has every right to have a different opinion than I do and I would respect said opinions if he/she would not make up unfounded claims to try to have people support it.

If you wanna play it sooo bad then go and play it. seventhumbral Project
When you start to think, man this private server sucks. that is about what it was like during the real thing.

I never played 1.0 or any of its patches. But I'd like to, just to experience the story. As was said before, even if they could just build the 1.0 story in a way that could be played in 2.0 (apparently, according to the original FFXIV: ARR roadmap this was intended but never happened), it'd be awesome. I don't expect it will happen, though. So I turn to other options.

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To be on topic, I just would have liked to see Tanakas original vision for the game. In interviews with him prior it was obvious he didn't have any control from the get-go to design the game at all. He seemed to just be there for a scapegoat when things went bad. Not that I don't have faith in Yoshida but it's painfully obvious he has corperate execs breathing down his neck even harder to make this game follow the safest formula possible.

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This I don't understand. How does a director not have the ability or the power to direct the game? If he had so much knowledge, why didn't he help them before everything went south? Many things simply don't add up.

Can we get Simian Thrash back? My god....

shameless plug:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOhHrqHdv-8

Yes, 16 people to take down a nix or goobue was great fun. 1.0 pre-open beta game play

http://youtu.be/7xKhEXXSIho

http://youtu.be/oIaGhA1GfWc