I challenge you think hard about your housing qualms with SE

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Originally Posted by Kallera

It is not crafting endgame! many of the recipes start at low levels and require common obtainable items for that level! Only the advanced post 50 items require endgame crafting and difficult to get items, and that's expected because they are endgame recipes, not because they are housing items in and of themselves!

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We are talking about houses, not housing item. I know crafters who have been saving money since ARR relaunch with the goal of buying a mansion on the hill.

Personally it's not the pricing of the small abodes that get me (These should be more than enough size wise for personal housing) it's that he tells us.

"I think you should work for your house" that's great and all but all the small plots are bought up immediatly and then you can't "Work" towards anything realistic like a medium or large. Housing should have been a replacement to your inn room, instanced with 3 rooms.

-Main living room
-Gardening room
-Bedroom

You can then have a avenue for the perfect gil sink, sell extra space in the personal houses, more rooms that we can position in a grid-like fashion add second floors, basements. Keep it simple and modular for memory reasons (But christ think if we could actually build out instanced homes ala sims style (Just explain the gardening as greenhouse type areas)

But hey what do I know?

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Originally Posted by Lii

How do you know there never will be enough? they are doubling the number in 2.4, and they will most likely keep adding wards after that.

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Assuming that there are only 500,000 active players in the 64 current worlds, that would mean that there is roughly an average of 7,800 per world. Lets say for numbers sake that only 50% of them want a house. At 30 houses per ward that means you would need 130 wards. That doubling you so nicely speak of brings the total to a whole 12.

(bear in mind 1/3 of the houses are medium and large which very few can afford - so from a small size plot perspective the wards needed would really be about 195)

How long do they need to add them at 6 per update to get that extra 118?

See why people are concerned?

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

A complete regression to 1.0?

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Does it come with butts?

Edit: Because that's an expansion I can get behind.

Edit 2: I'm ready and rearing to go.

Edit 3: For Final Fantassy 3.1.0.

Edit 4: I've bottomed out, so you all can have the thread back.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

"I think you should work for your house" that's great and all but all the small plots are bought up immediatly and then you can't "Work" towards anything realistic like a medium or large.

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Ya it's fun. If you work for it no more houses are free by the time you have enough. If you save money beforehand then the prices are set based on what everyone on the server has, so you are back to step 0. The irony.

The cost does not really bother me. I think a lot of people were under the impression that it would be a thing everyone could afford and take part in, not a select few people at endgame or otherwise financially well off. 1.5m after the price goes down is pretty do-able at level 50 though. I don't really feel like I was "lied" too as developers should be allowed to change their minds when developing a feature. It's a basic part of the development process. I rather doubt the developers had some malicious intent behind their reasoning.

The bigger problem is the limited space, which is always going to be an issue, and probably something the development team should have addressed *before* pushing housing live. I get a sense that they wanted to gauge how popular the feature actually was by play-testing their player base a bit so that they could figure out what needed to be done before they did something costly like purchase more servers. A lot of people on this forum like to point out that there would need to be hundreds of wards to accommodate every player, but what they often fail to address is that not every player is likely to take advantage of the housing system.

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A think a good intermediary step would be: Allow the functions of gardening and chocobo stables to be utilized independently of an estate. There's a rather large unused stable areas in Limsa Lominsa and Girdania that could easily accommodate this feature. Send your chocobo there and have them get strong in a sort of pokemon day-care inspired area.

Allow personal rooms outside of free companies. Apartments or Moghouses that are just situated within the three main cities. Some of those unused doors could allow you to go to your apartment when you interact with them. Give it about three rooms, and allow one of those rooms to be a garden. I know that's *basically* what a moghouse is in FFXI, but I think this development team has a bad obsession with trying to make things unnecessarily different just for the sake of being unique (such as the retainer cluster**** that was the answer to auction houses back in 1.0, before they just basically gave us an auction house).

An apartment would be a cheap thing that everyone could afford from fairly early levels. Maybe it costs monthly rent to appease the "drain gil from the economies" obsession, maybe it requires level 30 to ensure that the player knows how to get money. But it would be a small little space for your player that is his and is generally what I think most people wanted when they heard about personal housing. If you *still* want a giant grandoise estate at level 50 you can absolutely go do that, but it's no longer a requirement to take advantage certain aspects of the game (chocobo raising, and gardening).

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Personally it's not the pricing of the small abodes that get me (These should be more than enough size wise for personal housing) it's that he tells us.

"I think you should work for your house" that's great and all but all the small plots are bought up immediatly and then you can't "Work" towards anything realistic like a medium or large. Housing should have been a replacement to your inn room, instanced with 3 rooms.

-Main living room
-Gardening room
-Bedroom

You can then have a avenue for the perfect gil sink, sell extra space in the personal houses, more rooms that we can position in a grid-like fashion add second floors, basements. Keep it simple and modular for memory reasons (But christ think if we could actually build out instanced homes ala sims style (Just explain the gardening as greenhouse type areas)

But hey what do I know?

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/sarcasm yep you're right. They aren't planning on adding more lots nor are they planning on adding more wards when 2.4 drops..... This is truly all we'll ever have /facepalm

I wonder those who are not concerned about the prices, want a small house or in a server that has the lowest cost available
for all servers. Because the Price is my biggest concern as I don't want a Small house, I wanna Large.
I'm never in this lifetime will afford it.
Bigger house = More customization and room to play. MOAR GARDENS! :D
But yeah...I do not know of any other game who wants us to sell our soul for a friggin' house.

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2lutoc6.jpg

I was never angry at the housing issue. If anything, I was disappointed but I also expected something like this.

My friend on Behemoth had been saving up quite a bit prior to 2.38 in the hopes of getting a personal house, but even the amount that he had saved up turned out to be short.

Though I never expected to be able to afford a personal house (of any size) right out of the gate, I had hoped to one day be able to purchase one so that I can ease the burden of gardening for the FC. My friends, including the aforementioned one, had been hoping to do the same as well. Actually, that probably applies for the FC my Leviathan character is in too.

Yoshida's reaction towards that interviewer only have around 300k gill is telling. What it tells, exactly, is up for debate, but it doesn't give me hope at all.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Housing is too expensive
But, is it? Every reward in an MMORPG comes with work. You wouldn't log onto an mmorpg and expect to be max level without any effort. You wouldn't expect to log into a new patch and be able to instantly grab the newest most powerful loot from new bosses.

MMORPGs are based off of delayed gratification and working hard for your goal. Housing is no different. If you only have 300,000G in your inventory, ask yourself: Have I truly been working towards affording a house? Have I been working as hard as I do in other aspects of the game? You probably spent a good 70-80 hours getting to level 50 for the first time. How many hours have you spent farming gil?

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Seeing as most MMOs, even the "hardcore" FFXI gave housing for free, I don't see how it should be different here (or at least cheaper). FFXIV is weird in the the progression content is easy/casual, and the fluff content and/or at least stuff that seems to be catered to casuals is the stuff that is hard or required "hardcore" dedication.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

I have all the money I need for a house, but there aren't any small houses left!
Are you SURE there aren't any small houses left? If this is the actually the case, you're probably on a legacy server. And this is a valid complaint. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a house if you have the gil.

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It's applied to most servers, and guess what? Math isn't on your side. Sooner or later there will be a limit. The way SE is implementing this is ridiculous and is going to cause them issues in the future (wards as static zone), when instances could solve this issue instantly (heh). This puts things into perspective:

https://i.imgur.com/g1Zcr2L.png

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Housing is too expensiveAre you still upset about housing? You probably are. And that's fine. But just remember this:

This, too, will pass in time.

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People are pissed because it's another half-assed delivery of content. "Personal Housing" has been asked by people since 1.0, and then it ends up being FC housing, but with the flag to allow only FCs to buy it turned off. WTF were they doing all that time? If that was all that housing was suppose to be, why didn't they just let anyone buy it back in 2.2 (or was it 2.1? Can't recall). Either the original idea didn't work, or they didn't have anything and threw this out as a solution.

I personally don't care, since I have a FC personal house with an awesome FC. HOWEVER, the reason a lot of people are pissed is because this seems to happen over and over. Half-baked ideas being pushed out, causing problems later on. I hear a lot of people on the forums going "if this is how they did personal housing, I'm not sure about future patches and the expansion". It puts doubt in their ability to deliver content.

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

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So you're saying that, in addition to a housing shortage and insane gil requirements, Gil-P is also forcing his poorly-planned system behind gates which require long grinds. That makes it even worse, you know.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

The graphic that has just be linked intentionally skews numbers to prove a point.

1. There are not 2,000,000 active subscribers. There are 2,000,000 registered accounts.

2. Lots of people play and don't even hit 50.

3. Lots of people don't even have max GC or the gil required to buy a house.

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Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Tell that to the devs, apparently we've all got monocles and top hats according to the studies they don't show us.

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The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

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Originally Posted by Lii

The prices of the houses also took in account the limited amount of them. Right now only the rich can get houses, but they are going to keep adding wards so even the poor masses will be able to get a house.

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Gil-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

What bothers me most is, in order to even unlock housing, we've had to slay gods, bring entire armies of beastmen to their knees single-handedly, and saved the entire known world from utter annihilation; and the game thanks us by charging us more for a small housing deed than most of ul'Dah's merchants will ever see in their entire lifetimes.

What kind of greedy, selfish jerks have we been helping all this time..?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

/sarcasm yep you're right. They aren't planning on adding more lots nor are they planning on adding more wards when 2.4 drops..... This is truly all we'll ever have /facepalm

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You are aware that now that housing is open to all players the ammount of space available is severly limited as compared to when a entire FC had to be formed just to obtain one right? This would take thousands of potential home seekers (per server) in a house that their FC owned instead of each person in a 100 man FC tried to buy up all the houses they could.

But hey your right, they are gonna double it in 2.4 and in the future...just wait for a few years and maybe everyone can finally be able to get a house even if they have the money!

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Originally Posted by Chasely

yoshi-P never said that at all. In fact, on multiple occasions, he's said that anyone without the odd 5 million lying around is lazy. This includes him, of course. He only has 2 million gil. Luckily, he can (and does) program things in to give himself whatever he wants.

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Well it is very easy to get gil in this game, it practically throws it at you. I didnt even have to try to earn gil and I had the 5 mil for the house I bought.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

I think these forums can be an incredible difficult place. On one hand, it's a great feed of live communication with other players and the development team of the game we all love.

On the other hand, I believe that sometimes it's very easy to form an opinion based off of the current band wagon mentality of the forums.

I challenge you think about the following points, and my replies, while doing the difficult task of putting your emotions to the side. In the end, just like every other human being, you're entitled to your opinion. But, your opinion is only more valid once you've seriously considered the other possible stances regarding this issue.

Housing is too expensive
But, is it? Every reward in an MMORPG comes with work. You wouldn't log onto an mmorpg and expect to be max level without any effort. You wouldn't expect to log into a new patch and be able to instantly grab the newest most powerful loot from new bosses.

MMORPGs are based off of delayed gratification and working hard for your goal. Housing is no different. If you only have 300,000G in your inventory, ask yourself: Have I truly been working towards affording a house? Have I been working as hard as I do in other aspects of the game? You probably spent a good 70-80 hours getting to level 50 for the first time. How many hours have you spent farming gil?

I'm saying it's too expensive based off what the developers said
I've heard a lot of things tossed around. Number one: the developers insinuated that 850k was the ballpark for housing. Number two: the developers said it would be less than Free Company housing.

You can currently purchase a house for ~1,500,000G after it is fully devalued (basing prices off of the middle category of pricing.) This is almost double what the 850k number is; however, it is consistent with costing significantly less than what Free Company housing was going for when the housing wards were initially released.

When the housing wards were initially released, I remember buying pineapple juice consistently for raiding at the price of <1000G. Now, I am lucky to buy it for 3000G. There are many examples like this to show that even though the initial plot prices have remained the same, there is a lot of inflation. If you compare relative buying power of gil, being able to afford a 1,500,000G fully devalued house is a LOT more doable than it was when the housing was initially released.

I have all the money I need for a house, but there aren't any small houses left!
Are you SURE there aren't any small houses left? If this is the actually the case, you're probably on a legacy server. And this is a valid complaint. There is no reason you shouldn't be able to buy a house if you have the gil.

But, the reality is that this isn't the case for most servers. I feel for the people who are out of luck on legacy servers though.

I don't want to compete with Free Companies to buy a house
I don't see this really as an issue. Most Free Companies bought houses long before the individual housing was released. If anything, I think sharing wards with Free Companies only creates for a neighbourhood with more people running around it, which is a very cool feel in an online game. And, more people to water your flowers for you.


Are you still upset about housing? You probably are. And that's fine. But just remember this:

This, too, will pass in time.

Think back to everything that have passed: login capacity at launch, incredibly high repair costs draining everyone's gil, instance capacity and waiting in AK queues for 60 minutes to get one run done, first Titan HM kills being glitchfests, warriors being useless tanks, being so excited to fight Behemoth and dying to an invisible mob at 1FPS, original housing being unaffordable, hunts have way to little HP, S ranks being invisible to 95% of people there.

Think about all of these things that upset us in the past. I look back and smile now. Did I enjoy the game still? Do I still enjoy the game? For me, the answer is yes.

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Just so you're aware, the whole reason there is and will be limited land, and prices are so high is because Yoshi does NOT want everyone to be able to buy a house. Since their server infrastructure is substandard, we get to the pay the price of SE's poor planning by not having enough land slots at a decent price to go around.

Also, while we're on the subject, housing/land costs are so high because the economy has been mismanaged. Remember when all the whiners were complaining that there wasn't enough gil fountains? Now there is so much gil in circulation that large PERSONAL houses can cost up to 87 MILLION Gil. That is completely ludicrous. Again, the subscriber pays the ultimate price.

I worked hard in 1.0 to get around 30 million gil which was a respectable amount in that game. FC/Personal housing was being talked about and I felt I would have plenty to purchase a house. That's how long I've been patiently waiting. I had my gil chopped by a factor of 10 when 2.0 hit down to 3 million. I hoped that Yoshi would stay true to his word that this was a true redenomination. But I was skeptical because the max gil you could carry in 1.0 was 999 million and it remained the same in 2.0. I worked hard again and had gotten my total up to 10 million before 2.38 thinking that would be plenty to buy a mediumish house when separate personal housing came. I thought it would be fine because, you know, personal housing would be much cheaper I had been told.

Imagine my shock, after all those months, when 2.38 hit and I finally got a chance to login. The cheapest house available for purchase was 27 million gil - this would have been 270 million in 1.0 which is a completely insane crazy bananas amount of gil if you played 1.0 at all.

I'm extremely disappointed and have stopped playing for the meantime. Salt has been poured on my wounds as I realized that my real problem is that I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated. During 1.0 it was said the FC housing would be priced appropriately so that a few people would have to pool their gil together. So the lie that personal housing would be cheaper goes back even further than Yoshi's statement some months ago. Pricing both the same is an insulting decision and is deeply duplicitous.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I'm stuck on a Legacy server on which everything is purposefully inflated..

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Yes, the legacy server situation is broken. And, hopefully this gets fixed in time.

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Originally Posted by Lii

Well it is very easy to get gil in this game, it practically throws it at you. I didnt even have to try to earn gil and I had the 5 mil for the house I bought.

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Apparently you didn't spend gil either. Not everyone conserves money like you, and therefore most people on average have less than one mil. :P
Some of us actually work hard on materia melds, crafting, and now lately buying food for chocos or investing in gardening. There's always SOMETHING I need to buy at some point based on how I play and what I'm leveling. Chances are you don't do any of those things so you're rich as all get out. A lot of us choose a more pricey-path to enjoy the rest of the game's content.

"We've released the Second Coil of Bahamut. However, due to server stress, there are only 160 instances available. Once those instances have been used, you'll have to wait until next patch to try. Oh, and we're still releasing a limited number of instances on the next patch, but hope to eventually release more. So, Second Coil of Bahamut is released, we know not everyone will be able to play it initially, but please look forward to it"

Now, OP, would you still defend a situation like that? If not, why? And how would that be any different than the current housing travesty??

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Originally Posted by CrystalObsidian

Apparently you didn't spend gil either. Not everyone conserves money like you, and therefore most people on average have less than one mil. :P
Some of us actually work hard on materia melds, crafting, and now lately buying food for chocos or investing in gardening. There's always SOMETHING I need to buy at some point based on how I play and what I'm leveling. Chances are you don't do any of those things so you're rich as all get out. A lot of us choose a more pricey-path to enjoy the rest of the game's content.

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Judging by that persons profile, they have put some serious time (probably way more than us little people) into the game, by the equipment they have and all classes at 50, I would think anyone with that amount of time in the game probably earned 5 million at some point also.

Oh and one hideous looking outfit to boot.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

"We've released the Second Coil of Bahamut. However, due to server stress, there are only 160 instances available. Once those instances have been used, you'll have to wait until next patch to try. Oh, and we're still releasing a limited number of instances on the next patch, but hope to eventually release more. So, Second Coil of Bahamut is released, we know not everyone will be able to play it initially, but please look forward to it"

Now, OP, would you still defend a situation like that? If not, why? And how would that be any different than the current housing travesty??

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"But getting gear is just fluff content that is a status symbol and/or looks pretty. I mean come on guys, if you cleared it with i100 you really do not need i110 for any reason other than show"

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

"We've released the Second Coil of Bahamut. However, due to server stress, there are only 160 instances available. Once those instances have been used, you'll have to wait until next patch to try. Oh, and we're still releasing a limited number of instances on the next patch, but hope to eventually release more. So, Second Coil of Bahamut is released, we know not everyone will be able to play it initially, but please look forward to it"

Now, OP, would you still defend a situation like that?

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Of course he would!

"Hopefully they will fix it in time, it's not a big issue, I don't see why people are upset!"

"Think hard about your Coil qualms...

1. .....
2. .....
3. ....."

:D

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Now, OP, would you still defend a situation like that? If not, why? And how would that be any different than the current housing travesty??

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We've already had a situation like this before.

The choice is yours. Play the game or not.

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Originally Posted by scarebearz

"Hopefully they will fix it in time, it's not a big issue, I don't see why people are upset!"
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This already happened. They fixed it within 3 weeks and the game kept on moving forward after it.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

This already happened. They fixed it within 3 weeks and the game kept on moving forward after it.

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If they fix the "Personal Housing" disaster within 3 weeks as well, I'm sure pretty much everyone will forgive them.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

If they fix the "Personal Housing" disaster within 3 weeks as well, I'm sure pretty much everyone will forgive them.

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It depends. People want things to be fixed that aren't broken.

Housing supply needs fixing.

Pricing does not. Yoshida has released a few statements in agreement with this.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

It depends. People want things to be fixed that aren't broken.

Housing supply needs fixing.

Pricing does not. Yoshida has released a few statements in agreement with this.

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that's all people are really asking for, the situation to be fixed. There are FCs on my server that have wanted a house since 2.1 hit, and haven't been able to because the land is bought up almost instantly, on Balmung I logged in 10(TEN) minutes after the patch and all the small plots both new wards of Lavender beds (where I wanted my house) were taken already. I was fortunate enough to have enough(and be willing to spend it) on the ideal house I wanted, that doesn't make the system right, or good though. The pricing is perfectly fine, the houses themselves should have been a separate set of wards though imo.


That being said, I think a LARGE part of the frustration comes from the lack of information, people were going by what was said in december (the quote that is in my signature), and the community reps, nor yoshi-p did anything at all to give the proper information ahead of time, couple with Yoshi-P's statement regarding the issue pre-planned (He posted that 3(three) minutes after the NA patchnotes went live, you can't tell me he didn't have that message pre-planned.) It was a message that SHOULD have been posted a month or two ago, to be honest, I doubt anyone would have been as angry if they hadn't had it just dropped on them like it is.

On a side note, I'm very curious to see how they handle doubling the land (since he says they're doubling the LAND in each ward, not doubling each ward from what I remember reading) will play out.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

It depends. People want things to be fixed that aren't broken.

Housing supply needs fixing.

Pricing does not. Yoshida has released a few statements in agreement with this.

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Of course he agrees that pricing is not the issue:

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Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

So today I attended TGS 2014 (me legs are killing me...) and I had the opportunity to personally talk to Yoshida.

Me - 'I also looked forward to Personal Housing, but did not end up buying a house DUE TO IT BEING A LIL TO EXP' <-(I did slightly emphasize this, though in reality I do have enough).

'We have come to the decision which is 2.38 in housing, by thoroughly checking the market and gil retained by players. We know how much each player has. Though it is expensive, I think housing should be an achievement where players work hard to earn the gil, it should take some effort to buy a house.

Players who laze around should make some effort to make gil.

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Everything in this game makes you gil: Dungeons, Daily Roulette's, Fates, Leves, Quest's, Missions etc...

Money is NOT the issue and obviously he's missing this fact too, because he thinks everything can be solved by players being less lazy and making more gil.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

"...it should take some effort to buy a house. Players who laze around should make some effort to make gil."

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You may not like what he says here, but it's just correct from all points of view :D

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

You may not like what he says here, but it's just correct from all points of view :D

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Originally Posted by Edli

You can use this lazy excuse for every outlandish concept a developer can come up with. You want to ride a mount? It costs 100 million and only 50 players on the server can do it. You don't like that? Well you're just being lazy.

That's so easy isn't it?

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This is just as correct.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

This is also correct.

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Beyond the fact that it's a complete hyperbole the analogy doesn't even align with the dynamics of housing.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Beyond the fact that it's a complete hyperbole the analogy doesn't even align with the dynamics of housing.

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You may think it is just dandy getting screwed around time and again, but I am honestly sick of it. Those ridiculous announcements that got us upset in the past; what you called good times I was legitimately not happy, and them being in the past does not make them good times.

Yeah, back then I thought there would be a break. I thought maybe there will be something better.

Now I'm just waiting for fanfest, because its clear there will be nothing to look forward to. Nothing but the almighty treadmill.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

o_O rawr!!!

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Ok well the point is, if you want a house, work for it. You also fail to realize that there's 8 more (a total of 720 more houses!!!) wards coming in 2.4, in one more month. Which is a BOATLOAD of houses. You really think they're not going to make more wards later on as well?

Let's just boil it down to why people are really mad: They want a personal garden but don't want to invest 4-5 mil for a small house.

While we're at it, let me also complain about how I'm not allowed to have 3 star in all crafts simply handed over to me for a reasonable price. God forbid I have to work on something!!!

It doesn't matter. They designed housing in a way that runs counter to what the player base was promised and desired. Also, the details for the expansion provided by Yoshida indicate a failure to listen to major concerns presented over a year ago. He's cut player feedback out of the equation to speed up development, which is creating blow back every time a new patch comes out.

Being loud and angry is exactly what we should be right now as long as we're giving constructive feedback in our anger.

I am a little amused. I have voiced(complained) that there is poorly implemented content almost every patch. I would say it goes from one mistake to the next.

But right now we are dealing with the excuse of infrastructure. If they can not properly plan for the players why even do it. Hell they have this magic gil per player number. Should they not have had at least enough for 50% of the people who could afford. Next if this is a vanity item why do they get gardens because they are faster. If they were going to make gardening semi important economically and vanity everyone should have acess if they can meet the requirements.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Being loud and angry is exactly what we should be right now as long as we're giving constructive feedback in our anger.

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Being "loud and angry" may be your speciality, but it doesn't change the fact that there are more important things going on here.

If there was nothing to "WORK ON" nobody would be playing this game!!! If you really think them just handing out personal houses to people for free was the idea, I think you're sorely mistaken. They were still going to cost SOMETHING, so instead of 5 mil for a personal house it cost 2 million. People would STILL be complaining about the 2 million gil price tag.

Anyways, I barely post in the forums because it's just an opinion war, and opinions are seldom in agreement.

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

Being "loud and angry" may be your speciality, but it doesn't change the fact that there are more important things going on here.

If there was nothing to "WORK ON" nobody would be playing this game!!! If you really think them just handing out personal houses to people for free was the idea, I think you're sorely mistaken. They were still going to cost SOMETHING, so instead of 5 mil for a personal house it cost 2 million. People would STILL be complaining about the 2 million gil price tag.

Anyways, I barely post in the forums because it's just an opinion war, and opinions are seldom in agreement.

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It's about the execution, not the work involved in acquiring it.

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

You also fail to realize that there's 8 more (a total of 720 more houses!!!) wards coming in 2.4, in one more month. Which is a BOATLOAD of houses. You really think they're not going to make more wards later on as well?

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Someone hasn't seen the graphics floating around that does the maths. You need to look at the maths.

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

Let's just boil it down to why people are really mad: They want a personal garden but don't want to invest 4-5 mil for a small house.houses. You really think they're not going to make more wards later on as well?

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And what's wrong with that? Gardening should have NEVER been a FC activity. NEVER. It was a mistake then, it's a mistake letting it go on for so long. Even those of us who enjoy gardening and faithfully followed everything Pikku ever did, HATE the way it is here. I finally threw my hands up in defeat and told my FC I'm not doing it anymore. Everyone has a request. Everyone has a complaint. Then SE made the color seeds untradeable to FORCE us to let people plant or something. Everyone wanted a color. Everyone wanted an onion. Everyone has SOMETHING to say about the garden, yet the garden has sat open to everyone for a full three weeks and no one has touched it. I don't even care. It was too much stress for me. I won't even consider doing it again. That's how soured I am on that particular piece of "content" and the way that SE put it together.

So in the end, it boils down to yes, I want a little private slice of the game to do the things that I remembered loving so much in XI. I get it. You don't understand it. You maybe never played XI. Maybe there is something in the water over on Excalibur that makes every patch that comes down read as solid gold. I don't know what it is - but I'm getting really sick and tired of folks telling those of us who are interested in content we should just shut our mouths and take it. This was badly implemented. So were hunts.

And likely, neither of them will be corrected, and I will just move on. I'm only one sub and it's so oft an empty threat that I'm loathe to utter it... but between the viciousness of this playerbase toward one another, the producer's flippant and dismissive attitude, and the resounding silence we're once again seeing from a Final Fantasy development team... I just don't know what else to do.