Loot Restrictions On i90 and Above Gear/Weapons

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Originally Posted by Dhex

Or just... sack up and deal with the realities of a Need & Greed system.

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Or do it like during 1.0
A random member get the item in a special loot bag and he decide then if he want to keep it or give it someone else. Without rolling for it. Everyone would have the same chance to get it, because RNG.

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Originally Posted by Felis

And how would you know that someone don't plan it? Only because someone have the class at level 1 don't mean that he never plan to level this class someday.

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To me it's not even about the greed factor. There is a much higher chance of an instant impact on the community if the person with that class leveled to 50 already (especially if they actively play that class also) gets the gear rather than someone who does not. That is one more slightly better geared person joining a party to help everyone clear content which means more gear for more people.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

You're arguing something that has nothing to do with lotting i90. You can't trade i90 for seals, or even i80 for that matter. The highest gear level you can turn in for GC seals right now is i70 and I see no hint of that changing any time soon.

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My mistake! However it really doesn't matter since right under this statement you again make arguments that defend someone rolling on an item to turn it into seals or discard it. That is of course why I always have an issue when I see these arguments on the forum since it defends bad behavior in an indirect way.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

Secondly, if you decide to pass because you think someone else needs the gear more, that's fine. Other people will choose to lot, and it's their right to whether you think they need it or not. And frankly, who are you to decide who is more "worthy" than anyone else on a greed lot? Greed, however you try to make it sound more noble or justified, is simply greed. You don't need it for the class you're on, but you want it, they don't need it for the class they're on, but they want it. Greed is greed is greed, no matter the reason for it.

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Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly. The idea that things can't evolve and change organically because of some choice of verbage is silly. I have no idea why so often so many people have such an issue with the suggestion that it might be better if people were less grabby and a little more contemplative about loot.

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Originally Posted by Worm

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly.

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this doesn't make sense. sure they gave you a way to talk when lotting on gear. that doesn't mean that your justified greed is better than someone else's greed that you've decided is not justified.

Look I'm not sure why you guys are caught up on whether I think a roll is better or worse when you think 'nothing is real, everything is permitted' with relation to the greed button. I mean you would have to defend a guy discarding loot and taunting someone over because well he was allowed to hit greed. I've seen enough nihilistic loot posts on these forums to realize I can't make you guys think there is any bad behavior within the world of rolling on gear.

My point wasn't whether the roll is better or worse, my point is that acting like the way a system is implemented is some kind of demand that you work your way through it with the most strict literal interpretation is silly. Just because I can talk during a loot roll doesn't imply I need to try to make every Foestriker's drop into a impromptu loot council, alternatively just because someone years ago used the term "Greed" to describe a type of roll doesn't mean the baseline of that roll is complete self interest.

I mean I can't do anything about it. It even bothers me when everyone needs on the crafting drops in the new dungeons. It bothers me when I see these moral relativist arguments where effectively it's stated that everyone should hit need or greed any time it's possible. I honestly in my short time in this game really felt like people have very bad attitudes about loot and I have even outside of duty finder seen behavior that really just was a shocking to me. Maybe it's just an issue with the changing value of loot and the attitudes around it, but I've just gotten an overall sense that people have a sort spiteful attitude around loot. I feel like moral relativism arguments just back up and encourage that kind of stuff.

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Originally Posted by Worm

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i'm in no way defending people who greed on items when they don't need them right at that very moment. I never said there is no such think as "bad behavior" when rolling on gear. the op wants a loot restriction so only people who can use that item at that very moment can roll on it. i'm saying that's illogical. lets say you and I are in a raid together and piece of loot drops. you and I are going to greed on it. say the piece is for whm and your whm could use the piece at that very moment but my whm would require leveling up to be able to use it. why should I not be allowed to greed on it just because your whm can use it at that very moment? why is your greed superior to my greed? and why should my greeding on the item be deemed "bad behavior?" and why does this subjective reasoning require SE to change the game?

Some people need a weapon to "motivate" them to level a class therefore it's not up to you to judge who "deserves" the roll.

As a player who plans to level all jobs to 50, there are a lot of things I need ear wise. But even then, of something drops, if it's. Not. For my smn or sch (my 2 current jobs that I'm geari

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But my 2 jobs I'm gearing currently, if it's not from them, I won't greed on it even unless. I ask and no one else minds

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

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Look you're injecting the OP back into more general conversation that went off the original topic, so naturally it gets confused when we veer away and out of the blue there's a response where someone assumes I'm the OP and where I assume they're continuing on this side discussion with me. I don't necessarily agree the game needs to be changed but I think people should be more contemplative about their rolls, just because I'm in a thread where I don't disagree with the OP doesn't necessarily mean I totally share his views. However when I see yet again the same posts about how "greed is greed" or how "there's nothing 'courteous' about passing on loot" it just reminds me of a really irritating attitude toward loot which I've noticed in game. It tends to be a go-to defense anytime someone brings up the general behavior of the community with regards to loot and I generally regard it as a bad argument because it implies there is no way to judge duty finder loot time behavior, people essentially state no etiquette exists because there's a little window. So my problem isn't really the OP but more so the type of argument that is regularly used against posts like the OP.

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Originally Posted by Worm

My mistake! However it really doesn't matter since right under this statement you again make arguments that defend someone rolling on an item to turn it into seals or discard it. That is of course why I always have an issue when I see these arguments on the forum since it defends bad behavior in an indirect way.

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly. The idea that things can't evolve and change organically because of some choice of verbage is silly. I have no idea why so often so many people have such an issue with the suggestion that it might be better if people were less grabby and a little more contemplative about loot.

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The game is designed to allow people to greed on an item, regardless of any other factors aside from it being in the loot pool. There is absolutely nothing wrong with setting up runs where you lock gear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if you can lock a piece before it actually drops. What is selfish is assuming everyone else wants to give up that gear for you when you have mentioned NOTHING about it in the last 30-60 minutes before it actually drops. If you can't be bothered to even think about it, why would anyone in their right mind assume you actually need it much less any more than they want it?

Uh I've made multiple posts where I was saying mentioning what you want is an important aspect. I don't think I even made a post in regards to the OP where I didn't mention communication and how some players silently seethe at loot results and rush to the forums without saying anything in game. Like I said in my previous post my issue is arguments that essentially defend all kinds of behavior. Do you believe there are hypothetical loot improprieties within the duty finder system? Then we basically agree. When you say there's nothing courteous about passing I honestly have no idea what you're thinking, other than maybe you're making the same kind of proto-nihilistic morally relative garbage arguments that always seem to crop up when someone suggests there actually may be times when you shouldn't jam Need or Greed on the sole merit that they have lit up.

Ok seriously. If you have the alt class to 50, just use that class in the instance and roll need. Why is that so hard? Otherwise, yeah, you better settle for greed in duty finder parties.

Now let's say you are running coil for some monk gear, but the party needs a healer. So you go on healer instead. You then establish a loot agreement with the group you are going in with that you get the monk gear. That's fine. No one sees any problem with that. Someone else taking the loot after the party has established a loot agreement is actually reportable.

However if you just go on healer for shorter duty finder queues, then you are forfeiting the item for a shorter wait time.

I pass on stuff I don't need at the moment. I plan on lvling everything to 50. Yeah, I haven't even unlocked paladin. I don't roll on paladin stuff. That doesn't mean i can't roll on it. I have the intent on lvling it in the future, and I ran and completed the dungeon just like everyone else in the party. The only person who has the right to get it over me is the person running the dungeon as a paladin. That's fair. In some other games, you don't even get that benefit and everyone is on equal footing for it.

People have their reasons for rolling greed. I have no right to judge other peoples decisions. Yah, if i really wanted the item i might be a bit upset if someone else gets it. I'm not going to complain that "oh i have that class at lvl 50 i deserve it." No, just because i have a class at 50 does not mean I'm entitled to that item if I run the instance on another class. You know what I do? I run the instance again. If I really want the item but don't want to run on the class, I make a party of my own and establish a loot agreement.

Just communicate with people in party. Everyone is not a jerk. Most people just say sure and agree to let you have it. They aren't fretting about having the item. I shouldn't have to look up your character information for lvl 50s and assume you want an item for a class you aren't playing as at the moment. You also shouldn't look up my character information and assume I'll never use the gear. Stop assuming things and making up your own rules for random duty finder runs.

Long story short.

If you are in need of anything, make a PF party for it. set the rules. you can level limit the amount of people aiming for one item, which I see a lot of JP parties doing it. Most of such parties limit it to 2, and you can only aim for one item. Example, I join as a BRD but I wanted PLD gear, so PLD gear is all I can greed here, and the leader may restrict to only 1 or 2 persons that aims for PLD gear.

Done it a lot of times, it works.

Join a good farming LS or something. TBH 99% of the players around aren't jerks. Just ask nicely instead of "oh I have that job at 50 and yours is not 50 so f*** off the loot should be mine".

If anyone tells me that I'll just greed/need it and throw it away.

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Originally Posted by Farah

Yah, if i really wanted the item i might be a bit upset if someone else gets it. I'm not going to complain that "oh i have that class at lvl 50 i deserve it." No, just because i have a class at 50 does not mean I'm entitled to that item if I run the instance on another class. You know what I do? I run the instance again. If I really want the item but don't want to run on the class, I make a party of my own and establish a loot agreement.

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This, pretty much. Let's be real, even if you're on the right job to roll need on an item, you may lose the roll if there's another person on same job that rolls higher than you. I have that happen quite often, and yes it's frustrating, but it's not like you can't just run the dungeon or trial again.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

All of this and some more of this. Sure it's selfish, but it's even more selfish when someone needs/greeds on the piece of gear you've been wanting and come to find out, they don't even have the job unlocked -.- While yours is at 50

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Aaaaand just happened again -.- Decided to come drg to t4 since someone else decided to swap to brd. What drops? Brd head. Who gets it? The guy with lvl ~20 arc -.-

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Aaaaand just happened again -.- Decided to come drg to t4 since someone else decided to swap to brd. What drops? Brd head. Who gets it? The guy with lvl ~20 arc -.-

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And you know what you could have done before going in? Made a loot agreement with the party. The other guy completed the run the same as you, and has a right to the loot the same as you. His odds were just better when he rolled. Wish you better luck next time you run. It's irritating I'm sure, but there is no point in getting sour with other players. Brd visor is also T2, not T4.

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Originally Posted by Farah

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Not sure why I hit 4 and didn't realize it but yeah lol Not annoyed at the player, just annoyed that theres that chance they may never level it, because we all know those types of people who do it just because they can :/

It'd just be nice if people used common sense (someone who can use it now and help runs better) over their own greedy desires (glamour/just because) :/ Reminds me of those people back in Brayflox who'd come in as a 50 mage hitting need on battlemage's just for glamour (that was months away then) over the people who are actually lvling a mage that lvl who ACTUALLY need the gear


Also, to comment on the people saying "You should just come ____ then" This is a mmo, not a single player game, sometimes you can't just come a certain job, especially if someone in the pt, for example, asks if anyone can be a tank and let's say you can, and they have a DD who can join and it'd fill up the pt and you can get on with whatever you're doing. Since it's a mmo and you're playing with actual people, you shouldn't be selfish and go "Nope, not changing", the correct thing to do is "Sure, why not" because you know, it helps the party and actually gets crap done. I've seen way too many people who are selfish and flat out refuse to change jobs if it'll help the party, or they just drop out of it, causing the wait to be much longer than it needs to be. People seem to forget this. Semi-off topic, but this is one of the many reasons people talk about how bad the XIV community is (it really is, worse I've seen imo).

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

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I understand the frustration, but I look at it as if those levels are never there. I don't search people after a run to see if they are going to use the gear they just got. I feel what they do with the gear is none of my business, just like the level of their classes is none of my business.

I really love the battlemage set, so i farmed brayflox with my friends for it before I ever leveled a magic class. I now have a lvl 44 black mage, who has spent most of its time in that battlemage set. I love that set, and I don't blame anyone who wants it. I guess I'm just more relaxed than other people about gear, because I know I'll eventually get it cause I will keep running til i get it.

I don't get mad at other people because they are probably really happy they got that gear. They may not use it like you intend to, but they wanted it just like you did. If someone told me I didn't deserve the gear that I rolled on and worked for the same as you, I would be pretty upset. I won't tell you that you don't deserve the gear, and you should show me the same courtesy. That's how I view it.

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Originally Posted by Farah

I understand the frustration, but I look at it as if those levels are never there. I don't search people after a run to see if they are going to use the gear they just got. I feel what they do with the gear is none of my business, just like the level of their classes is none of my business.

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I check what jobs they have for various reasons. Let's say if they're on blm and they're pulling tons of hate and dying. I'd check to see if they have brd lvled so I can ask them to use quelling strikes and if they don't then I'd suggest to level it, since it's useful to have. Another reason is if we lack a certain job, to check if someone's able to change to it so we can fill up the party and do the content, instead of waiting for a while and having people leave the party, because for some reason, everyone is so impatient these days.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

It'd just be nice if people used common sense (someone who can use it now and help runs better) over their own greedy desires (glamour/just because) :/ Reminds me of those people back in Brayflox who'd come in as a 50 mage hitting need on battlemage's just for glamour (that was months away then) over the people who are actually lvling a mage that lvl who ACTUALLY need the gear

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If I'm level 50 and I'm running brayflox for no other reason than solely the battlemage set, then I am supposed to pass on it if it drops if there is another caster in the party, totally voiding my 30 minutes spent running the instance? In this case, we both ran the instance for one reason and one only, me for the vanity, the other caster for exp and loot. Why is the 30 minutes i spend somehow less valuable than the other player? Not to mention that the other caster still gets experience even if he does not win the loot, and gear at that level is easily replaceable every 3-4 levels. Please think before you type, this kinda self righteous post just irks me to no end.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

If I'm level 50 and I'm running brayflox for no other reason than solely the battlemage set, then I am supposed to pass on it if it drops if there is another caster in the party, totally voiding my 30 minutes spent running the instance? In this case, we both ran the instance for one reason and one only, me for the vanity, the other caster for exp and loot. Why is the 30 minutes i spend somehow less valuable than the other player? Not to mention that the other caster still gets experience even if he does not win the loot, and gear at that level is easily replaceable every 3-4 levels. Please think before you type, this kinda self righteous post just irks me to no end.

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Because in the real world, we call that being a douche. Same thing applies online, don't think you can pull dick moves like that for your own selfishness over people who actually need the gear to level in just because no one knows who you are.



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Originally Posted by skaterger

What are you using to justify that levelling is more important than glamour?

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A) Using gear to level increases stats, thus increasing the efficiency of running a dungeon/fight
B) Using gear for glamour does absolutely nothing for your stats or how a dungeon/fight goes.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Because in the real world, we call that being a douche. Same thing applies online, don't think you can pull dick moves like that for your own selfishness over people who actually need the gear to level in just because no one knows who you are.

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This is as real a world as we can get missy. And in the real world, calling people douches without substantiating your point makes you look like a complete imbecile. You have yet to answer my question. Why is my 30 minutes spent in the dungeon somehow less valuable than the other player?. And before you spout any of that leveling gear crap, I have addressed that issue which you so conveniently chose to ignore. Just for laughs, I'll give you one more point to ponder. What are you using to justify that levelling is more important than glamour? What about those people whose sole focus in the game is to collect all the loot from lower level dungeons. Please don't be so selfish to disregard these group of players whose main focus is glamour and perhaps you need a mirror to look at yourself before calling others greedy and selfish.

I didn't read the entire thread, but here are my thoughts on the matter anyways.

There is no way for you to know another persons intentions unless you ask them and they tell you what they are. Even if a person doesn't even have a class unlocked does not mean they never intend to do so, and level it to the point of being able to use any given loot drop. Putting a restriction on what you can greed roll on sort of defeats the purpose of it being called a greed roll in the first place, don't you think? If a system as you propose were put into place, this is where people would actually start to get screwed over.

Let me give you an example: Let's say I'm running Titan Hard Mode as a Paladin, hoping that the Wall of Crags drops. I have other level 50 classes I could be running this with, but I chose to run it as a Paladin because I'm most interested in the shield and want to have the best chance at getting it if it drops. Instead of the shield, he drops a spear. Say my Dragoon class is only a level 47. Well I guess I'm shit out of luck on this one, huh? No choice but to pass because I can't use it yet. How is that fair, and how with any measure of confidence can you say that you have any more right to it than I do just because you've leveled that class to 50?

Now using the same example in the current state of things (the way it will always be)... I greed on the item. I'm not going to piss and moan if I lose the greed roll because it's not the reason I'm there, and if I want a better chance at getting it I will finish getting my Dragoon to 50 and run it again as that class. If I get the spear on the greed roll, great! Now I won't have to come back as a Dragoon. A small consolation prize for time spent trying to get what I really want while in the process of helping 7 other people to have a chance to get things that they want.

Now to address some of the other posts from this thread: Say the shield drops. I'm equipped with an Allagan Round Shield, and there's another Paladin in the group equipped with a Darklight Kite Shield. You can bet your ass I'm rolling need on that shield. Why? Because it is the one and only reason I'm even running that instance in the first place. You can say all you want that common decency would dictate that I should just let the other Paladin have it because it's an upgrade for him, and I don't need it as far as stats are concerned, but that simply doesn't make it so. I would argue that common decency would dictate that you understand that your time is no more valuable than mine (let alone the 6 other people in the group), and you should deal with it and not be a cry baby if I happen to win the roll. Especially since that 50/50 shot you just got is a hell of a lot better than sitting your ass in que waiting for another tank.

Any person that argues against this is just plain selfish and is always going to be looking for a reason to say they have more right to something than you do.

Common decency... common sense... they aren't really all that common, are they?

It is simple really, you want a drop you queue as that class or you make a PF group in which you reserve a certain loot. Always expect people to do what benefits them the most. Utilitarism is really not cared about so much unless it is for an FC or static,

Love the people just blowing it off with "want the gear, play that job". How many of you are main healers or tanks? I would absolutely LOVE if every healer or tank with a dps alt to switch to that job after the week or so after a patch when they get the gear they needed on their main.

You think queues are bad now... I have 7 50s atm, plan to finish the last 2 but this really only affects me on my main dps alt(bard). The rest of the jobs are just sorta there. I queue for everything as SCH(my main) because sure, the queue time is shorter, but mostly because it's better geared and I can clear(and 3-7 other people) the run faster than if I were on bard. I do queue on bard for some things now that it's i90 if I REALLY want something. (Mostly vanity stuff, stupid Shikaree set :/) I don't use the Duty Finder for anything you'd get i90 from though so I guess this thread doesn't even apply to me. Oh well.

Anyway I'm of the mind that if you can't immediately or very soon use it, you should pass. Since 2.2 I've never once needed a piece of darklight healing gear even though I can. I could use the seals but those are so stupid easy to come by. I greed with everyone else. Call me self-righteous or what have you but when I see people need stuff that you KNOW they don't need I have a lesser opinion of them than I would otherwise.

That said I wouldn't really care about a Need > Greed50 > Greed > pass sorta system either way. I just want people to stop saying "come on that job" because doing that is going to royally screw you all over. I had no interest in the new healer 70 set. Guess I shoulda skipped doing everything on sch and went solely as brd... Now imagine EVERY tank and healer doing that. Or every dps going as their undergeared tank or healer because they want those sets too. *shrug* Little courtesy goes a long way.

Lastly though, I do think you should say something if you're after something specific. This game definitely needs more people talking. I greed just about everything but I will almost always pass if someone asks for something specific.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

I check what jobs they have for various reasons. Let's say if they're on blm and they're pulling tons of hate and dying. I'd check to see if they have brd lvled so I can ask them to use quelling strikes and if they don't then I'd suggest to level it, since it's useful to have. Another reason is if we lack a certain job, to check if someone's able to change to it so we can fill up the party and do the content, instead of waiting for a while and having people leave the party, because for some reason, everyone is so impatient these days.

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The point is, if you are checking their info, it shouldn't be to justify you having gear over them. If you are doing it for pointers to help them be a better blm, that's great. I feel like the people laying claim to gear are impatient. I'm not claiming gear is mine because I have a lvl 50 alt. If someone else wins the drop, I do the dungeon again. Everyone should have EQUAL opportunity in a dungeon.

People also keep skipping over the fact that you can make a party and ESTABLISH A LOOT AGREEMENT WHICH IS REPORTABLE IF BROKEN. If you run on healer but want dps gear, if you ask the party for the gear BEFORE running the dungeon and they all agree to let you have it, it is a LOOT AGREEMENT. If someone rolls greed after that has been established, it is REPORTABLE. Idk how many times I've said that.

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Originally Posted by skaterger

Why is my 30 minutes spent in the dungeon somehow less valuable than the other player?

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Thank you. I can't stand it when people just keep skipping over that point. I spent a long time looking for a specific item, and if it drops with a less geared person (who lets say only has done this run once) in the party, I am required to let them have it. I actually am a gear collector. That other person can run the dungeon again, just like i did. My time and effort running the dungeon is the EXACT SAME as the other person, so i should have the EXACT SAME chance at loot. Why do people keep trying to justify it with "undergeared alt" should have the drop, then switching to say "only lvl 50s" get drop. Either my lvl 44 blm deserves the drop for gearing up, or your lvl 50 blm you arent playing on deserves the drop because it's lvl 50 and can use it right away. Clear this up people.

With the reasoning they keep saying I could be really selfish and keep laying claim to something by going "Oh my lvl 50 undergeared alt needs that" and according to them it would be justified and i would deserve it more than anyone else in party. How does that not seem wrong?

what people are failing to realize is that nothing outside of the instance has any relevance or bearing on a persons right to that loot except what happened within that specific instance. whether its your first time in the instance or if you've been farming it for weeks. whether you've leveled a job or not. all of it is irrelevant

all that matters is if you participated in THAT instance. everyone's time is equal

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Originally Posted by RentisB

Love the people just blowing it off with "want the gear, play that job".

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And I love how people graze through forum posts and pick one line out of context to rag on instead of looking at the bigger picture.

This thread just puts a light on the fact that we need better loot distribution options that have to be voted upon by the party. We should have the option to disable Need rolling so Greed parties can function without the threat of someone Need rolling on "accident" or just being a douche. Along with that, more in depth loot rolling options as well, such as what the OP is harping on with not being able to roll if you don't have that class/job leveled to the appropriate level. And might as well toss in the option to change your Need roll as well for those moments when you change to a Healer/Tank/DPS to help the party out but doing so means you lose out on Needing the gear you do want. Obviously, these options are better suited for PF/FC runs as it would be a nightmare of trolling should it be applied to DF.

I would like to say I always roll "Greed" on anything that can be sold for seals. I do this because:

1. No one chimed up saying they want a certain item, I will alway pass on an item if some ask for it.
2. If they actually needed that item their "Need" option would've out rolled my selfish desires of "Greed" for that item.
3. They waited until I had already hit the option that I desired to hit before chiming up, I can't help you get the item you want if you wait until the last minute to say something.

I am also a fair person too, I usually pass on Items if I feel like I have been taking all the items in the dungeon. I let someone take the Battlemage Robes in Brayflox because I took almost all the previous items before and knew he wanted the item.

My main point is ask nicely and you shall receive in most cases, because if you don't say anything than the drops are under "best of luck" system that usually goes with Roulettes.

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Originally Posted by KaitlynOfOz

I think I would be happier if the loot tables reflected the party makeup. If there isn't a SMN in the party, her book won't drop, no brd no bow, etc. I don't think you will ever get a setup where you have restrictions on "you must be this high" to need/greed an item, which is probably for the best since everyone can be every job even if they choose not to. I take issue to the people who beg for a party to let them have a drop for an alt when there are several people with current mains who could use the item (for ex a sch asking for a helm for his blm when there are 3 blms in the party who want the item). Loot tables based on active party members I think is a more reasonable goal.

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Now that's a suggestion that actually makes sense. Can't get behind the OP's argument however.