Atmas and myth books should be tradable

I wouldn't mind Atma being tradeable. Really though, I just want some sort of way that I can help out friends that haven't been able to get their drops yet. Being able to trade them means that a FC party can farm for a while and if they get a drop, pass it on to the person that needs it. But if there was some other mechanism in place that gives a benefit for helping those that need atma then I'd be fine with that as well.

Why not make it so more people partied with you with Atma weapons increases the drop rate or something? I know people will start whoring themselves out if that was the case but it would help out some groups that have those random 1-2 members that take several hours between drops.

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Originally Posted by Nane-chan

Wow, you're an incredibly rude person to everyone who doesn't agree with you. Who says that your skill for playing the game is more worthy of recognition than the patience of someone else who works for their atma?

Atma farming is only a waste of time if you don't want to do it. If the grind is too intense for you, go somewhere else. Don't attack other people's leisurely pleasures by telling them they are wasting their time, or that what they are doing takes no skill. Skill is inter-subjective. If fate grinding is a person's goal, they are demonstrating their own skill—not your biased definition of what constitutes an "achievement" or actual "skill."

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Fair enough. You are right. I should choose my words differently.

FYI Relic weapons are always part of the story line. It is related to the lore of your job, and can only be equipped by your job, not the base class. Furthermore, Yoshida says it will be upgradable in future patches.

I'm sorry to say, Atma and Animus isn't really about skill nor waste of time. I could have said farming mirrors for Levi EX weapon is a complete waste of time because I see more people with Animus than Tidal weapon (tbh, mirror drop rate sucks more than Atma). Future patches where Animus is being upgraded, your Tidal weapon immediately becomes outdated, period. Sure, Levi EX takes skill to clear but getting mirror is a grind job, as much as Animus. 10% skill required to clear, 90% grind and fight against RNG which is the same as the Animus quest.


Looking at the above, Tidal weapon is in fact, the worse of the "waste of time" if you want to put it. Relic will be relevant in future patches, Tidal would not. Relic is part of the story and your job, Tidal is not. And being Final Fantasy and MMORPG, it is only normal that people would obtain it

I have a better idea.

Make the atma quests skill based, not luck based
~gasp~

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Originally Posted by Wicc

I have a better idea.

Make the atma quests skill based, not luck based
~gasp~

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Go farm Leviathan and/or Coil 6-9?

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Go farm Leviathan and/or Coil 6-9?

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Am I to assume you and others of your type will be assisting people through EM Titan (remember him?) and Twintania in order for these folks to make these expeditions? Or am I to read that as a condescending "Let them eat cake" retort?

No. Just, no.

If that were to happen, we may as well take the time and effort out of Coil drops while we're at it, and just let people trade and sell those, too. Hell, let's just give everything away on a silver platter so no one has to invest any time or effort into getting anything, with the exception of farming tomes for purchasing all these items. Let's go even further and just have an endless number of gil and tomes waiting for us in our mailboxes so we don't even have to farm those in order to purchase all these items that take too much time and too much effort to get. That sure sounds like a fun game to play.

People should just stop pushing forth effort. Infact let's invent a "skillmometer" that you can shove somewhere to get a reading on your skill. If you have high enough skill, you just get full 150 ilvl gear and a moogle flying mount to hover above mor-dhona and laugh at the peasants who aren't on your level.

Sorry OP on your bad luck with atmas and your depressed view at the myth farming. It's because of this grind though that we actually have something in the game now that could possibly retain some sense of accomplishment for more than a month.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

No, we can't have players to players interaction in this mmorpg!

Also lol at the RTM answers. People need to stop living in fear of RTM for everything.

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What fear? If you actually take the time and read posts without blinders. You would see that ppl are tired of Gil Buyers, typically players buying content clears due to lack of skill or items because they are too lazy to accomplish anything in this game.

I want interaction with players that don't cheat the system and learn to play, is that too much to ask for?

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Not like this game has a healthy economy anyway, what's the worst thing they can do? Buy all Limsa beach houses?

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^ This is one of the worst comments I've seen on a MMO forum. You basically support illegitimate practices.

Exactly, OP just wants to buy his relic. New thread, new topic. Nothing to see here move along lol.

There is no skill involved- If the atmas were a guaranteed drop on the FATES- people would be here screaming that it was a "welfare" weapon.

Therefor, the only real variable is the RNG factor- that is something completely out of the hands of the player. (Therefor it cannot be skill based)

Since the activity requires no skill (in fact many of the FATES are below max level) - and the RNG factor is an external factor- the only factor left is the player's tolerance for repetition.

If you consider tolerance for repetition to be the same thing as skill (or something to be considered an accomplishment) - then you would get much more satisfaction from an Asian grinding game. You also might just as well enjoy pushing a colored button over and over again.

Mind you- you are now judging player "skill" on something that has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to play this game or any other game- merely on their tolerance of repetitious activities.

I am not saying that it isn't a worthy consideration, however- since most of the game is farming and repeating the same content over and over again.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

What fear? If you actually take the time and read posts without blinders. You would see that ppl are tired of Gil Buyers, typically players buying content clears due to lack of skill or items because they are too lazy to accomplish anything in this game.

I want interaction with players that don't cheat the system and learn to play, is that too much to ask for?

^ This is one of the worst comments I've seen on a MMO forum. You basically support illegitimate practices.

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Way to missread my post. In a healthy economy, Gil-buyers and seller damage the economy. Unfortunately, due to the team behind this game not giving to much of a care about crafting and literally throwing items at the people GB and GL are basically innocuous since items barely sell and great sum of gil are useless.

Hence, it's useless to live in fear of RTM, you only end up damaging legitimate players. This isn't XI were money actually had a role and crafting took a part in end-game. What GB are going to do? Buy all the minions at the Market Board?

Think about legitimate players first, then think about RTM.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

RMTs would be very happy to hear this

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I don't think it's always a good idea to not do something because RMT might (in this case would) take advantage of it. I don't think this is a bad idea, but that's just my own thoughts on the subject. Who knows, it could happen.

In any case, RMT or not, it defies story if ATMAs and books are tradable.

ATMA are supposed to be obtained by using your job relic weapon which is unique to yourself to drop. It's something that drop that shows you slayed some monsters, and your relic absorbs them to become atma form. Along the lines of how some weapons absorbed the souls and powers of their slain enemies to become stronger. It doesn't make sense if someone slay the monsters for you and pass you the atma and your weapon absorbs them as if it was slain by it. Just... wrong.

Then the NPC tells you it can be stronger if the weapon absorbs more soul, like how the ancient zodiac braves did. The tales were so old that no one really knows, probably the NPC and Rowena that's why he told you to approach her, which fortunately she had a copy. If the books were sell-able, this means people can keep farming myths and buy as much copies as possible to sell. 100 copies? 1000 copies? Ridiculous for such an ancient lost tale right?

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

Way to missread my post. In a healthy economy, Gil-buyers and seller damage the economy. Unfortunately, due to the team behind this game not giving to much of a care about crafting and literally throwing items at the people GB and GL are basically innocuous since items barely sell and great sum of gil are useless.

Hence, it's useless to live in fear of RTM, you only end up damaging legitimate players. This isn't XI were money actually had a role and crafting took a part in end-game. What GB are going to do? Buy all the minions at the Market Board?

Think about legitimate players first, then think about RTM.

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um... the economy on my server has picked up nicely on almost all fronts since this last patch. And people still buy plenty of gil hence the reason there is still sellers sending /tells everyday

as to the OP, dumb idea for reasons already stated

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

In any case, RMT or not, it defies story if ATMAs and books are tradable.

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Suspension of disbelief was already lost when someone could get an atma from one FATE, while another might have to grind 100 fates in the same zone to get his.

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Originally Posted by DoubleT

um... the economy on my server has picked up nicely on almost all fronts since this last patch. And people still buy plenty of gil hence the reason there is still sellers sending /tells everyday

as to the OP, dumb idea for reasons already stated

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Same on mine, ppl gearing for 2nd coil with some Melded ilvl90s. Materia for crafting/gathering is selling well for the new recipes and nodes. Seal mats, myth mats, the list goes on. The market is far better now than it was when housing was released.

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Originally Posted by minihalcyon

Suspension of disbelief was already lost when someone could get an atma from one FATE, while another might have to grind 100 fates in the same zone to get his.

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The amount of people who gets 1 Atma from one FATE vs 1 Atma from 100 FATE remains the minority, at the ends of the bell curve. I don't have stats but looking at person experience and the players in my server, most people completed their Atma within reasonable time frame of 48-72 hours of grind.

Personally I think my Animus was done in about 90-100hrs total. My 2 other raid members who have done their Animus spent about the same total time. While Animus weapons still remain a pretty minority on my server, I've seen pretty lot of people with Atma weapon already.

I suppose if they did not want to alter the drop rate of atmas, they could change how the books are done a little bit. Allow players to the ability to buy all of the books as soon as they get the quest to gather the atmas. Make it so they cannot start the book portion of the quest until they have gathered all of the atmas. This would allow players the ability to still work on the quest, even if they are stuck on collecting atmas.

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Originally Posted by Deathscythe343

I suppose if they did not want to alter the drop rate of atmas, they could change how the books are done a little bit. Allow players to the ability to buy all of the books as soon as they get the quest to gather the atmas. Make it so they cannot start the book portion of the quest until they have gathered all of the atmas. This would allow players the ability to still work on the quest, even if they are stuck on collecting atmas.

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Doesn't work that way, SE would have to alter the story too. Since you need to use Atma weapon to clear the book monsters so that their slain souls are absorbed into the weapon to make it more powerful.

I'd rather allowing players to buy all books at once, once you have the Atma weapon. You'll notice a few dungeons are repeated - make no sense to kill the same dungeon boss again and again, cos I've already defeated it and "absorbed its soul". Also, you'll notice we will be travelling to the same places again and again, just different mobs. Elite Quarryman, Elite Priest and what not. Most of them only have 3 at a time and there's a lot of time wasted on waiting for it to respawn. If all books can be purchased at one go, we will just need to visit that damn place once and kill everything there.

I think this would have made the 9-book part less of a chore.

Any maybe then I may be enticed to complete another Animus.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Personally I think my Animus was done in about 90-100hrs total. My 2 other raid members who have done their Animus spent about the same total time. While Animus weapons still remain a pretty minority on my server, I've seen pretty lot of people with Atma weapon already.

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This is the thing that just baffles me. Do you, and other players, really enjoy this? Do you really enjoy spending 100 hours of doing the same thing over and over again? Does this really bring you joy and/or a sense of satisfaction and accomplishment? Do you really consider this "playing" a game?

I, personally, just can't do it. I would fall into a depression if I spend that many hours in a video game, only for a petty weapon. The guilt would consume me. I could not invest that ridiculous amount of time when I know I could be spending it with my family, or my friends, or reading books that develop my work related skills, or even going to the gym and improving my health.

And the real saddest part is that people don't understand that it doesn't HAVE to be this way. Developer's don't design a quest like this so you can feel accomplished. They try to pass it off as a silly excuse for "gameplay".

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

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Nothing surprising bro. Different people have different opinions.

I have FC mates that feels that he shouldn't spend too much time on this game and thus back then his progression in the first coil was very slow. That's because he feel that he'd rather spend more time with friends and family. Nothing wrong with that.

Meanwhile for me I'm used to grindy games. By no means I think this whole idea is perfect, but I'm not complaining either.