This game is play to win.

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

I do agree that it's not pay to win.. whether or not it gives someone an advantage I don't know enough to say yet. I did read something from the interview that the ventures are going to result in some unique items that can't be farmed otherwise. Without knowing how important those items are, or what they're used for.. I can't really say whether having multiple gives anyone any sort of advantage beyond bag space (as much as I don't like the idea of paying for bag space in a sub game).

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they will give u unique item,craft mats,minion but considering that those venture are based on luck since u dont know what u gonna actually get and also the fact that they going to take 18h for a retainer to do em i doubt it will be more for items than furniture and vanity...highly doubt they would put anything "must have" behind an "18 hour IF"....also u get a better chance of getting those if u give ur retainer gear so if some1 has 4 retainer with normal gear prolly has less chance of getting those things than some1 that has 2 fully deckout ones

All in all just by having those 2 extra retainers means nothing...u actually have to take the time and prolly money to actually lvl em AND gear em up

I think it will mostly be a convenience for the more casual players, that don't have time for farming.... They will be able to get some more items if they want, but it won't be nearly as good as actually doing it yourself.

There might be other advantages to retainers doing the adventure instead of you, but I think we will experience that even without paying for the extra retainers.

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Originally Posted by Craiger

I think it will mostly be a convenience for the more casual players, that don't have time for farming.... They will be able to get some more items if they want, but it won't be nearly as good as actually doing it yourself.

There might be other advantages to retainers doing the adventure instead of you, but I think we will experience that even without paying for the extra retainers.

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its already been shown that its not that effective...the trailer shows a retainer in full ilvl80 (if i remember right) and she can only get 7 items per 1h....so maybe if u bother giving the retainer full ilvl100 (which i doubt any gonna do cuse of the restrictions) it will got up to 10 items per 1h

Mega Shin Tonberry EX will have "Square Enix's Grudge" and the only way to mitigate damage from it is to have more retainers. PF groups won't let you join unless you have at least 5 retainers.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

Mega Shin Tonberry EX will have "Square Enix's Grudge" and the only way to mitigate damage from it is to have more retainers. PF groups won't let you join unless you have at least 5 retainers.

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Or maybe you'll need to have played x number of hours, and his damage is mitigated by 1 per hour. Stupid play2win mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Aw OP, did you had to add that last line? It would have been so funny seeing people explode in what is obvious sarcasm.

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I'm sure many did Assirra, I'm sure many did. We don't see their responses because the intense sarcasm and hashtags in the OP completely annihilated them.

Aw OP, did you had to add that last line? It would have been so funny seeing people explode in what is obvious sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit

No question it gives an advantage. But there will always be someone with an advantage over you no matter what. I don't actually have a lot of time to play. characterlimitsnip.

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Can't really argue with anything you just said. The problem (for me) just comes in when people can pay extra to get the advantage, as that's the very thing I choose subs to avoid. That advantage doesn't have to be a pay 2 win thing, it can very easily be a pay 2 get ahead thing. I still choose subs games to avoid it because historically, they have been the "everyone pays the fee, everyone gets access to all the stuff (save for some cosmetic items)." Just differing opinions is all. I do want to thank you for not being rude about it though.. and I do agree that folks are highly over reacting with the whole cries of pay 2 win (this is actually the only thread I've posted in about the situation).

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Originally Posted by Sunarie

Snip all day every day

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Yeah, I know. This thread isn't really to tell people to ignore the retainer thing and suck it up. I don't much like it either. It's not that big of a deal as far as granting an advantage. But my point was only it's not pay2win, and XIV is nowhere close to pay2win. If people don't like it, they by all means should complain. But trying to make it sound worse than it is, is just counter productive. People end up sounding like raving idiots, rather than someone with legitimate concerns.

And yeah, I try not to be a douche unless someone feels the need to insult me, or thinks they're much more clever than they are.

I don't like extra retainer options, but this was going to be available in 1.0, so I expected it.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit

Yeah, I know. This thread isn't really to tell people to ignore the retainer thing and suck it up. I don't much like it either. It's not that big of a deal as far as granting an advantage. But my point was only it's not pay2win, and XIV is nowhere close to pay2win. If people don't like it, they by all means should complain. But trying to make it sound worse than it is, is just counter productive. People end up sounding like raving idiots, rather than someone with legitimate concerns.

And yeah, I try not to be a douche unless someone feels the need to insult me, or thinks they're much more clever than they are.

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"granting an advantage"

That's pay to win, period. However minuscule the advantage maybe be, is completely irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

"granting advantage"

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Then the game has been pay to win since its release. Getting more characters than someone else is a paid advantage. Why is that not pay 2 win but the retainers are?

I'd instruct you to read the thread yourself and find a real definition of pay2win before spouting inane crap but it would fall on deaf ears in this case anyway. Good day to you sir.

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Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit

Then the game has been pay to win since its release. Getting more characters than someone else is a paid advantage. Why is that not pay 2 win but the retainers are?

I'd instruct you to read the thread yourself and find a real definition of pay2win before spouting inane crap but it would fall on deaf ears in this case anyway. Good day to you sir.

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this game has been pay2win since it went pay2play

since anyone not paying can't play everyone is paying to be better then everyone not.

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Read thoroughly next time.

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Like you did?

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Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit

Then the game has been pay to win since its release. Getting more characters than someone else is a paid advantage. Why is that not pay 2 win but the retainers are?

I'd instruct you to read the thread yourself and find a real definition of pay2win before spouting inane crap but it would fall on deaf ears in this case anyway. Good day to you sir.

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Oh please, paying for more characters is mere convenience--in other words, it is pay for convenience.

The 2.2 retainers will bring a unique advantage--the type of advantage that's pay to win, regardless of how much of an advantage it brings to the table.

Thinks back to FFXI, hmm mules, nothing to see here folks.

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Originally Posted by Gextiv

Oh please, paying for more characters is mere convenience--in other words, it is pay for convenience.

The 2.2 retainers will bring a unique advantage--the type of advantage that's pay to win, regardless of how much of an advantage it brings to the table.

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I don't even. I can't even. I am literally unable to even.

You contradicted yourself. I was going to respond. But you did it for me. Thank you.

It's ok to state your opinion wether it's with or against the additional retainers issue, as long as we do it respectfully.