Titan HM needs a change for those who can't devote all their time to this game.

I know when I lag, and I know when my brain lags. And I know I was fairly bad @ Titan before using my free month with WTFast. And I know I was much better during that month.

I can tell the difference between dodging and thinking "oh that probably wasn't fast enough" vs times it should be fast enough.

It wasn't till after that free month of WTFast and doing Titan again without it and having several instances of thinking "oh good, was fast enough to dodge that", then finding out the game disagreed, that I knew for sure my latency is a bit bad for those fights.

the amount of insane entitlement and instant gratification from the OP is soooooooooooo clear, that or he dun have friends or fc to carry him

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

You still have to know the patterns just like everyone else should, even if you aren't dodging as many things, so that you know the best times to use your cooldowns, or you will get wrecked by MBs.
You have to know how/when to either dodge bombs or pop a CD and eat one, particularly post-heart when dodging bombs you shouldn't be will either end up with you taking two bombs or getting your group hit with RB.
Weight of the Land never pops under the tank? Yeah, if you try joining enough groups for this, I guarantee you eventually you'll get one that has 3 or more people dead post-heart, at which point you will have to start dodging those too.
Sure, maybe it's easier overall for them compared to other fights, but to say it's effortless for a tank just paints you as an inexperienced or bad tank tbh :<

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post heart, about 70% of the time, u get into the sweetspot and never have to move, watch for landslide and hit your cd to eat rock buster/mb. The other 30% u may have too many dead and have to dodge/eat a wol but its still effortless.
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The player base already did this. Stop being cheap and buy your win.

Seriously though. Please keep Titan the way it is to keep the baddies out of other content.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

The player base already did this. Stop being cheap and buy your win.

Seriously though. Please keep Titan the way it is to keep the baddies out of other content.

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You want baddies out of your content, but encourage buying a win? Makes sense.

OK I have relic weaponed out my DRG, MNK, and I am Ilvl 90 on Bard.... decided to level Warrior..

Progression- Bard first (Main)- Mnk second (for mantra and capped to 50, getting relic), DRG third (for BforB and cross class skills to complete BRD).... decided next up was to swing as a tank, and the queues are awesome..... got Warrior to 50. (yea i got lvl 30 everything else, so i guess i play enough)

My point is this.. Hit lvl 50 Warrior on Saturday.... DID THE ENTIRE RELIC QUEST FOR WARRIOR IN 3 HOURS on Sunday!!!! i was lvl 70, 3 ct pieces, DL gloves, 2 hoplite pieces, full DL accessories, and a 90 myth ring/ 90 bracelet, all of which was bought in the 2 weeks of duty roullette leveling the warrior to 50.

At noon EST i accepted the relic quest and started DF the entire thing cause i didnt want to be bothered by the PF mechanic, when queue times were awesome for a tank.

Chimera- 1 wipe, 1 kill
Hydra- 1 wipe, 1 kill
Ifrit- one shot
Garuda- 2 wipes, 1 kill
Titan- 2 wipes, abandon, 1 wipe, 1 kill

Got my relic in 3 hours as a warrior.

NOT BROKEN! Worked perfectly fine using Duty Finder the WHOLE WAY.

Moral of the story..... OP i'm talking to you.... Play better, or go buy Final Fantasy XIII-3. The HM Primals are easy enough, and on DF farm mode at this point. Don't suck so much. Im done

If it takes you that long to PF a titan hm, i suggest you transfer to a more populated server. i recently went back and got relics for all classes and never did it take more than 30 min to get a solid group to smash titan hm.

Tips for success:
1. Grab the Garuda HM or King Mog weapons. both are viable until u kill titan
2. Use your myth/philo tomes on gear. u can get a piece every 1-2 weeks. often myth is better than its allagan alternative anyway.
3. Keep practicing with the same group if possible. Eventually you'll be dodging his attacks b4 he even does them. Gain that muscle memory.
4. Don't get knocked off
5. Titan follows a very strict pattern. He will never surprise you.never ever ever

You understand you don't need such intense reflexes like you're mentioning since the entire fight is ahem * scripted. There is no rng in his rotations. If you really can't react then memorize his rotations and dodge prior to his moves if you're having so called lag.

If anything I Think it should be made even harder ,
I feel it's a little bit too easy to get a RELIC weapon currently, it's called Relic.. It isn't supposed to be easy.
I spent a whole month chasing after mine for war.
My next job(blm) I finished in a day.... Too easy, no satisfaction

Ummmm, No.

Why do we need to make it all easy for the give it to me now crowd.

I have an idea, get a Free Company.

Hopefully they will further nerf hm primals ( mainly titan ) because you know, the new wall for primals is titan ex.
So just let the ppl that are behind catch up because there's really no point in keeping the whole attitude of keeping baddies out when that content u r defending becomes obsolete months later.
So keep your entitlement to your self because we all know that most ppl at endgame are trash without strat videos and statics.
People who pug have more diversity in playstyle as they always have to adjust to the new party to hopefully obtain a victory.

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Originally Posted by Moonwolfthegrey

I feel it\\'s a little bit too easy to get a RELIC weapon currently, it\\'s called Relic

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But relics are becoming obsolete unless they make it have possible future upgrades past zenith.
Getting relics were hard and expensive in the "past".
Getting relics "now" is quick and easy as that content became old and familiar. Ppl come in with higher gear because you know, all that myth they earned doing ak, wp, ct, hm dungeons?
Stop trying to make this game sound like its super hardcore and shouldn\\'t have content that will be eventually accessible to the playerbase that\\'s behind.
Also you spent your time because you probably wanted to get it earlier which u did.
These ppl felt no rush/ had troubles so now they are months/ weeks behind you, so after all that wait don\\'t you think they deserve to finally achieve what you have achieved long ago?

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Originally Posted by CianaIezuborn

I will concede the point that it's frustrating as a tank, but that's really because you literally do nothing the entire fight. It's one of the fights where most of the pressure is on the dps

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Lol! Most pressure on the dps?
Don't make me laugh!!
The most pressure is probably the healers as you need to dodge, heal, and ocasionally help dps the heart when the dps is lacking.
It's just a dps check = gear and skill rotations. But skill rotation applies for healers and tanks too. So it makes dps have 1 less viable reason. So it just comes down to dps being geared.
So technically the difficulty goes like
Whm > sch > ( caster dps ) > ( melee dps) > brd > tank
Because don't u just hate it when the bards screw up the worst when they obviously have the highest mobility out of everyone?

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But relics are becoming obsolete unless they make it have possible future upgrades past zenith.

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Disciples of War and Magic may also want to dust off their relic weapons if they aren't still using them, as an opportunity to unlock their true powers will present itself.

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I highly doubt Titan HM will see the adjustments, if the next step up in the relic upgrade is substantial.

Don't think it will become obsolete developer said there's going to be an upgrade to zenith relics so titan hm will still be doable if you're trying to get new relic

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post heart, about 70% of the time, u get into the sweetspot and never have to move, watch for landslide and hit your cd to eat rock buster/mb. The other 30% u may have too many dead and have to dodge/eat a wol but its still effortless.

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If what your screenshot shows is the sweet spot, I think I'll pass. I've already stepped off the platform way too many times before trying to find one (that, or just getting hit by two bombs instead of one) and I eventually decided it's better off to just eat one rather than keep screwing the party over.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Hopefully they will further nerf hm primals ( mainly titan ) because you know, the new wall for primals is titan ex.
So just let the ppl that are behind catch up because there's really no point in keeping the whole attitude of keeping baddies out when that content u r defending becomes obsolete months later.
So keep your entitlement to your self because we all know that most ppl at endgame are trash without strat videos and statics.
People who pug have more diversity in playstyle as they always have to adjust to the new party to hopefully obtain a victory.

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They most certainly should not do this. Titan HM helps you learn for Titan EX. Content needs to have gradual difficulty increases not HUGE jumps. If they nerf all the lower stuff it is going to be like someone running for 10min every day for a year and then trying to run a full marathon. That jump is too much and the person will not be prepared.

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They most certainly should not do this. Titan HM helps you learn for Titan EX.

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Except it really doesn't.

These fights are all about knowing the patterns, and what to do about specific moves. Titan EX has completely different patterns and moves. You can run Titan HM over nine thousaaaaaaand times but if you have not seen/heard anything about how the Titan EX fight works, you will not be prepared.

About the only thing Titan HM will "teach" you in preparation for Titan EX is how badly you can/will get screwed by lag.

Also, again, there is no indication that anyone who is trying to beat Titan HM even wants to do Titan EX in the first place. A lot of people just want their relic weapons done and couldn't give two sheets about the EX primals yet.

when looking up the eorzea app for my iOS i saw one called titan companion (cause i just put in ffxiv because i forgot the name) and just had to download it, already had 9/9 relics but was curious what it did
if i had this app for my first titan it would have been amazing, but now ill just join a pfs group and tank it for fun

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Originally Posted by krazyrs

post heart, about 70% of the time, u get into the sweetspot and never have to move, watch for landslide and hit your cd to eat rock buster/mb. The other 30% u may have too many dead and have to dodge/eat a wol but its still effortless.

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I think he was saying that it's not as derpaderp as you say it is for a tank. For a new tank, you don't know of any "sweet spots" to just sit there and cd for mb. New tanks have to learn when to use cd's to eat bombs and also have them up for eating mb's. They also have to dodge wotl if some people are dead. Good/great tanks would also find ways to dodge the bombs without getting the party clipped by rock buster and then moving back to position while keeping aggro rotation and remembering when mb is coming to pop a cd.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Except it really doesn't.

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Except it does. The patterns can be different, I don't have to know them to be able to dodge plumes, bombs and landslides vs TItan EX. During the first days of Titan EX, when I joined some groups via PF, it was easy to notice who was carried trough Titan HM from those who weren't.

Well, for starter the fight is fun when everyone over know they doing and also are in at least ilvl76+.
Issue is;
Titan act as a springboard where it require too much effort duo whatever, u name it.
The relic is REQUIRED to the end game progression.
Sure, it's shouldn't given as free but the Trial shall be doable via duty finder and i'm sorry to inform you that is for the most impossible to get it done because let's be real u'll be there at ilvl65-70.
Also, Titan is just last small part into the chain quest of A relic reborn, so the feedback i can give is;

Removal of lockout system if a player fall.
How?
Buff Goal.
If a player fall from the pit, Titan will raise such player into a Goal, Titan at this point will also summon an EGI.
Dinamic:
OFFTANK shall be tanking the EGI.
During this period, Titan will STOP it's skill rotation.
If the party fail to free such player from the goal within a time, the EGI will destroy the Goal causing a moderate AoE killing the aformentioned player.
Titan adjustament:
Titan shall get an overall potency reduction, 20%-30% at least.
Critial chance from Mountain Buster must be removed.
Heart:
Just make it scale with the party ilvl already or reduce it's total hp by 20%-30%
Post heart change:
Goal will also summon an EGI, the dinamic shall be alike when a player fall.
Weight of the Land:
For help the poor European, increase the plums off duration by 1 sec and half.

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Except it does. The patterns can be different, I don't have to know them to be able to dodge plumes, bombs and landslides

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Good for you. Most people need to know this or they are just repeatedly caught off guard. When this person is one of your healers especially, you generally aren't going to win.

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During the first days of Titan EX, when I joined some groups via PF, it was easy to notice who was carried trough Titan HM from those who weren't.

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Nope, you really have no way of knowing this for sure. Titan EX is a whole other ball game. People can be a pro at Titan HM and still flounder here if they don't know the patterns.

By no means is Titan HM hard. It comes down to one simplistic fact, dodging. And lets be honest, the reason most get frustrated and leave a group, is because a lot of folks suck at dodging.

You can chuck up to lag, blah blah blah... I play on the PS3 and we all know the deal with that, yet I never had an issue dodging once I understood the fight. I watch it over and over again, folks try to finish their casting instead of moving the very second the plumes drop.

So remember folks, these three simple words in order of importance:

DODGE, DODGE AND DODGE!!!!! :cool:

OP, I see you already got your relic. Congrats.

Titan HM is okay as is. The fight was a wall for me as well and it took me 4 days to clear, but now, I have 3 relics from it for my alts and I have also helped friends through the fight, all with different party compositions so it's not that difficult. If anything, it makes the achievement of finally getting your relic that much more satisfying.

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Except it does. The patterns can be different, I don't have to know them to be able to dodge plumes, bombs and landslides vs TItan EX. During the first days of Titan EX, when I joined some groups via PF, it was easy to notice who was carried trough Titan HM from those who weren't.

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"Phase one! Time to dodge a landslide and prepare for Tumult. . .WTF!? Weights?!"

Doesn't sound too bad, but if this is also a player that has to pre-dodge due to latency, they're dead now. And you're going to assume they were carried?

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

You want baddies out of your content, but encourage buying a win? Makes sense.

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Sarcasm Police says "Hi"

It was more of a knock at bad players, seeing how five people can beat Titan HM with 3 others AFK

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Originally Posted by parallax78

*prepares to be flamed*

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If by "flamed" you mean "heavily encouraged to join a group dedicated to killing titan or joining an FC", then yeah, sure. All you have to do as a tank is just sit there. It really isn't even that big of a deal if you feel like you have to eat a bomb.

What people suffer from most on this encounter is not knowing how the bomb patterns work and really bad positioning for Weight of the Land.

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Originally Posted by parallax78

Challenge yes, complete halt until you organise a group of people with reflexes faster than a cheetah on a laggy server? no.

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Well, I know for sure that there is a night and day difference between walmart internet running 4-6 mbps and an internet service that is supposed to run 50 mbps but runs 36 mbps.

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Originally Posted by L-D-Omlette

You want baddies out of your content, but encourage buying a win? Makes sense.

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I bought Titan carry from the first Non-Legacy group to kill Twintania. I have 4 Turn 5 kills and killed Twintania at least once before our newest set of adjustments were applied to it. Unless that's some sort of alt character, as far as I can tell you have none.

Buying a carry doesn't mean anything. Well, actually, if it means anything, it just means that you don't have a lot of patience and/or the people you play with aren't that great at the game. I also want to be clear that this is not a personal attack and should not be taken as such... But you know, I bought a carry and I let my friend play my character during it while I took a dump.

Said group performed a lot of carries and they can tell you themselves that a lot of the players that they played with did pretty well. Just because someone buys a carry doesn't make them a bad player and pretty much anyone who does boost small time stuff like this will tell you the same.

Know what I did on my first Titan sell? walked off the platform. what can i say, im a real klutz

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"Phase one! Time to dodge a landslide and prepare for Tumult. . .WTF!? Weights?!"

Doesn't sound too bad, but if this is also a player that has to pre-dodge due to latency, they're dead now. And you're going to assume they were carried?

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Nope, I never said "OLOLOL YOU DIED ONCE YOU NOOB". During the first days, many groups tried to kill him during hours, not 2 tries and leave.
When II saw players who don't know where to go when bombs wer popping, yes they were carried. When we discovered the fight, during the adds, there was a new setup for the boms and after the first wipe someone everybody had already understand "go to the last set of bomb, wait for the first set to explode and go there", someone who was carried will just die again.

And, please, stop making it sounds like I said "the fight is the same". The fight isn't the same (the pattern isn't), but the vast majority of the mechanisms are the same.

So lol has anyone ever considered that buying a win could mean you just wanted to buy competent teammates?
Like i know its mind blowing if u pulled ur weight during a bought party cuz the more common method is you die = you stay dead.

DUTY FINDER.


there's your problem.

Can I just ask everyone (in general) a question...?

On your servers, are there often Titan (hard) PF groups? I occasionally join them and we get someone their relic within a few tries because most people joining the PF group are people joining just to help out. I realize this might be because I am on a high-population server... so that is why I'm wondering how other servers function and if Titan (hard) is really such a hurdle now that you can ask for help in PF. Most people I know are happy to help, although I will admit sometimes it turns into a clear carry if the new person dies often and people just want to get it done. Obviously, they didn't buy the run... but... they're going to run into problems down the road when they can't be carried through Titan (extreme)... at least not easily.

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Can I just ask everyone (in general) a question.

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Honestly, on Gilgamesh, usually everyone gets carried in Titan HM PF. Usually parties just to help someone fill up fast, two people get slided off fairly early in the fight, and the other 6 carry the two non-relic'd people to victory. I've volunteered to solo heal or regular heal it multiple times and it always ends up the same way.

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And, please, stop making it sounds like I said "the fight is the same". The fight isn't the same (the pattern isn't), but the vast majority of the mechanisms are the same.

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You realize that, counter to what you said earlier, a lot of people *do* have to know the pattern ahead of time in order to be able to dodge, right? The mechanics can be basically the same all they want, if the pattern is way off it's going to be extremely difficult for certain people to dodge weights and landslides. How many deaths do they get through no fault of their own before you start assuming they were carried?

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You realize that, counter to what you said earlier, a lot of people *do* have to know the pattern ahead of time in order to be able to dodge, right? The mechanics can be basically the same all they want, if the pattern is way off it's going to be extremely difficult for certain people to dodge weights and landslides. How many deaths do they get through no fault of their own before you start assuming they were carried?

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Oh I give up, I told you something about bombs, you are back with WOL and Landslides. Learn to read, gl & hf.

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Originally Posted by Alcyon1

Oh I give up, I told you something about bombs, you are back with WOL and Landslides. Learn to read, gl & hf.

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You started with WoL and LS. >_>

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The patterns can be different, I don't have to know them to be able to dodge plumes, bombs and landslides vs TItan EX. During the first days of Titan EX, when I joined some groups via PF, it was easy to notice who was carried trough Titan HM from those who weren't.

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You can change your tune now to only mean bombs, but you did originally include all three, and you never retracted your comments regarding WoL and LS. Since you never said anything along the lines of "Okay, I can see how WoL and LS could be a problem, but what about bombs?" I assume that you're still going to be judging people for dying to things it's physically impossible for them to react to.

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I (<--- this is me) don't have to know the pattern to dodge them. You (<-- this isn't me) might need to know the patterns to pre-dodge them. Did I say the opposite ? Do I need to talk about you(<-- this isn't me) when I'm talking about myself ?
And during the first few days, yes it was easy to spot who was carried, when they didn't even know what to do during bombs or, after 3-4 tries (groups weren't disbanding after 2 deaths), they were still killed by the exact same WOL/landslide. For a tank POV, the fight is really different. From a healer or DPS pow, the fight is really simiilar.

I have been atleast 200+ attempts this week. Just came back from 2 months away. Que up in duty finder and go, main problem is DPS. Forget the getting hit by whatever it's all down to DPS. Even with three tier lb I've been in groups who can't get the heart down in time. Out of 200 tries maybe only 5 have got past the heart. Item level is just to low for us casuals. Level 41 weapons being used and still getting in...

Titan DF is for practice, u may one day kill it if a premade queues for it, if you are confident of your skills/mechanics join a PF group, even than some PF groups are title "EXP/Clear Only" but some BS their way to it, so even than it make a take a couple of DF group to actually get the kill.
Asking for nerf to HM is like asking for nerf to EX as well. if you can't beat titan HM, u have 0% chance of even coming close to beating Titan EX. HM is a test. Not everyone is meant to have a Relic weapon.

EDIT: Just keep practicing, there will be a point where the fight becomes a muscle memory/even if any1 claims to "Lag" odds are u will adapt to compensate the lag as well.