This game needs a lot of work...

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Originally Posted by Krokov

Inaccurate how? why does everyone or why do a lot of people seem to portray all these doomsday events for the game as its going to die its going to die since none of us have any real thorough documentation on how well or not well I games doing can only rely on reports from internet sites and such.

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Mostly because MMOs in general aren't doing so well. I don't know of many genres that can do well when they're all busy coping off each other. Outside of FPS I guess, but really how can you make FPS different? I like this game because I like Final Fantasy. The MMO market is pretty much pick your flavor of ice cream. I will say though SE has done really well holding on to the players it has. Most games end up consolidating servers within the first 6 months.

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Originally Posted by Autymnfyres

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Interesting question. Here's mine: I'd love to know the timeline of the design and development, I'm sorry, re-development of the current version of the game we are now playing. Then I'd be able to make a more balanced and informed opinion about justification of why apparently there 'just hasn't been enough TIME yet to produce fresh content'. We both know that info is not going to be divulged.

What is available though is the playerbase voicing questions and being disappointed who have reasonably been questioning the rehash of 'new content'.

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At least he admits this is all QQ since he can't answer direct questions.

Troll thread 2/10.

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Originally Posted by Vilzen

Mostly because MMOs in general aren't doing so well. I don't know of many genres that can do well when they're all busy coping off each other. Outside of FPS I guess, but really how can you make FPS different? I like this game because I like Final Fantasy. The MMO market is pretty much pick your flavor of ice cream. I will say though SE has done really well holding on to the players it has. Most games end up consolidating servers within the first 6 months.

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That still doesn't provide how we are seeing another MMO "die" especially this one. I remember the first three months of SWTOR people were saying it is going to "die" but it's still active isn't it?

That's what he means by throwing the doomsday scenario as a talking point is so overdone, it no longer has any meaning.

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Originally Posted by Tridus1x

That still doesn't provide how we are seeing another MMO "die" especially this one. I remember the first three months of SWTOR people were saying it is going to "die" but it's still active isn't it?

That's what he means by throwing the doomsday scenario as a talking point is so overdone, it no longer has any meaning.

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I guess it depends on what you mean by 'die'. Will this game always have players? Yup. Will the servers probably stay up as long as there are people willing to pay? Yep. Will it there always be a large number of servers that high populations? Nope. If your interpretation of an MMO deing is shutting the servers down very very few have done this. Hell if no one playing means the game is dead even FF1 hasn't died yet.

The only reason SWTOR is still active is because it went F2P. So....it died.

I agree with OP.
Rehashes of old dungeons plus an extra primal and a few more turns in BC isn't enough.
Even BC is a mediocre raid there is no real trash there is nothing really interesting no atomosphere it's sub par.

I even have to pay another 6 dollaars a month for WTFast to play effectively
The only thing keeping me here is there isn't much else in other mmo's that I would like to play atm but I will soon move on , I gave this game it's chance.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Let's put it this way:

ARR is a F2P style MMO with a P2P model - F2P MMO design are extremely popular which is why when games relaunch F2P they tend to recover dramatically after a failure.

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Tupsi ARR gives you one new dungeon, 2 hard modes and a raid every 3 mos now a F2P style MMO will give you at best one new dungeon and one pvp map after 1.5 years that is why ARR is P2P. F2P MMOs are designed to fill a niches like Realm vs Realm, Sand Box and Open World MMO's with horizontal progression. A good example would be Elder Scrolls Online or Eve Online.

The MMO genre in general is where it's at for one reason and that's because the player base dosen't know what they want. If your looking for a single player experience with massive multiple online players then prepare to be disappointed because then developers would have to ignore balancing issues. I your looking for Open world and horizontal progression prepare your self for a niche game because they don't sell way see Eve Online SWTOR or The Dark Ages of Camelot to see how they didn't grow and ended up with 50K players. That is the reason major MMO's use the same design because thats what sells and we all know players talk with there wallets not by complaining and whining.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

The MMO genre in general is where it's at for one reason and that's because the player base dosen't know what they want. If your looking for a single player experience with massive multiple online players then prepare to be disappointed because then developers would have to ignore balancing issues. I your looking for Open world and horizontal progression prepare your self for a niche game because they don't sell way see Eve Online SWTOR or The Dark Ages of Camelot to see how they didn't grow and ended up with 50K players. That is the reason major MMO's use the same design because thats what sells and we all know players talk with there wallets not by complaining and whining.

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Now again, in Engrish prease.

http://media2.giphy.com/media/qHY6ij6LYizle/giphy.gifOh look this thread how many is this now? just quit

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Originally Posted by Mogi

Oh look this thread how many is this now? just quit

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You would think that the amount of times "this thread" has come up would be cause for concern in most people. Odd.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

You would think that the amount of times "this thread" has come up would be cause for concern in most people. Odd.

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Lol i guess if your one of the ppl that act do nothing in game and just read some ppls post on here then maybe i see new ppl starting every day in Balmung legacy server some ppl are just un happy with everything they get nothing more

For me the 3 Months updates are failing, the wait is too long for little content =/.

One End game Primal/Boss Fight per month can work a lot better and a Full end game dungeons each 2 Months.

1.- Creating a Monthly boss fight will add a lot of vitality to the game.

2.- Each 2 months a new end game dungeon.

3.- Each 3 months release the big update, with some revamped dungeons in hard mode, hairstyles, vanity slots, minions, mounts, daily quests and 1 raid similar to crystal tower.

The balance at the end of year will be positive 12 bosses fights, 6 end game dungeons and 4 raids.

There are so many contradictions in the OP, that a legit response is near impossible.

Can you please start by providing sources for your information concerning subs, groups, and which encounters are played / not-played.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

For me the 3 Months updates are failing, the wait is too long for little content =/.

One End game Primal/Boss Fight per month can work a lot better and a Full end game dungeons each 2 Months.

1.- Creating a Monthly boss fight will add a lot of vitality to the game.

2.- Each 2 months a new end game dungeon.

3.- Each 3 months release the big update, with some revamped dungeons in hard mode, hairstyles, vanity slots, minions, mounts, daily quests and 1 raid similar to crystal tower.

The balance at the end of year will be positive 12 bosses fights, 6 end game dungeons and 4 raids.

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So rush stuff out to keep ppl happy? yes 1.0 did that very well and look were it is now:P

OP has alot of good points. Hopefully Yoshi has alot planned.

You think S.E will ever add interesting trash mobs in raids? Or would be primals and coil where you just begin at the boss pretty much and get started learning rotations/phases?

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Isn't the point of calling something "hard" to be the same thing but made harder?

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It is the same location, but a different, harder place of the location.

As example:
You choose the normal mode CDE dungeon (level 35) and go west after leaving the entrace room
You choose the hard mode CDE dungeon (level 50) and go southeast after leaving the entrace room, exploring a different part of the location, meeting different bosses

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Originally Posted by Mogi

So rush stuff out to keep ppl happy? yes 1.0 did that very well and look were it is now:P

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Yes Mogi i want see you suffering each month with new content! =)

Yeah, I just cancelled my recurring sub. The game has some good static content, although I have some minor criticism about the story, voice acting, and choice of questing system. But when it comes to end game, they really didn't address the major issue with MMORPGs that should have been addressed by now, and that's the fact that these games demand a constant flow of revenue, but are completely consisting of static content. End game really needs to provide a highly replayable experience, which redoing the same boss over and over again does not accomplish. Instead, they depended on the kind of boss design that creates a need for player made tutorial videos and so much unpleasant drama in the community. It's really this style of end game that's forcing me to quit. Eventually showing up for raids feels like a job and not a game.

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Originally Posted by CrAZYVIC

For me the 3 Months updates are failing, the wait is too long for little content =/.

One End game Primal/Boss Fight per month can work a lot better and a Full end game dungeons each 2 Months.

1.- Creating a Monthly boss fight will add a lot of vitality to the game.

2.- Each 2 months a new end game dungeon.

3.- Each 3 months release the big update, with some revamped dungeons in hard mode, hairstyles, vanity slots, minions, mounts, daily quests and 1 raid similar to crystal tower.

The balance at the end of year will be positive 12 bosses fights, 6 end game dungeons and 4 raids.

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You have zero freaking clue how much work that, do you?
You are basically asking for devs to not even take a toilet break and then they still won't get it finished.

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Originally Posted by GoodApolloIV

I realise that you are a business SE and you're here to make money and you think this formula for vertical progression you have is going to allure people forever, but i can assure you that if you keep releasing new content that is low-tier or gets forgotten within 2 months of the patch being released, you will be in for a rude awakening when all of that initial success starts to trickle away. End rant. Please fix this game. It's not dieing yet, but it's going to if this trend continues.

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It's not going to "die". Incredibly rarely is it that an MMO "dies", at least before the developer is pushing for its successor. All games become less popular, but that's because the band of "sugar rush" players have had their fill and are out to find the next big release. But there will always remain a niche group of players who stick to the game until the end. If it doesn't appeal to you, then it is entirely within your rights to find a game that does (after all, what's the point of playing a game if not for enjoyment?), but it is an insult to your own intelligence to assume that a game will die simply because it does not rest well with your perception of good game design.

Do away with iLvl all together. People would enjoy running content more (individually and as a community) if there were a better variety of items, and a chance to occasionally stumble upon that super-rare high quality item that everyone wants but rarely sees. (No, don't make the rare items disperse to the entire group because x people cried when they lost the roll.) Myth gear should only be filler gear.

This "everyone pays their sub to get the same thing" mindless gear rush to BiS is ruining the replay value and community as a whole.

Also, give us rare NMs (not fates) to hunt, and other similar activities to do in the open world. A little goes a long way.

I love this game, I just don't care for what the gear rush model does to the community.

i haven't logged in for awhile mainly because there is nothing to do anymore. i really disliked EX's cause they were way to easy and pretty much rehashed from hardmode with a dumb repeating final phase. Coil is a very casual dungeon, i know tons of people who played this game 4 hours a week and beat the content often. I think maybe a year or 2 this game will be good but I'm really worried the way they are doing there content aka making stuff like ct useless just to give all the new players everything now. I guess if we start playing in 2 years when you hit 50 ill be able to right off the bat spam t14 over and over to gear up with i115 gear completely ignoring everything else. The game needs more stuff to do socially and casualy. If i didn't buy a house i probably wouldn't resub for 2.2 but I'm giving them a chance because 2.1 was just a catch up patch. I am in 5-6 linkshells that each had 50-80 people online actively from what a friend is telling me those numbers are down to 5-10.

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Every content patch looks to be exactly the same. "some story, 2 hm dungeons, a new dungeon, some primals, and CT or Coil" First off, this "formula" is lazy

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I am totally with you on that

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Originally Posted by Assirra

You have zero freaking clue how much work that, do you?
You are basically asking for devs to not even take a toilet break and then they still won't get it finished.

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You have as much idea as he does, that is to say little to none, so don't act like you are any different

After the release of Beta Phase four, I and others on the Beta forums felt that the reductions of the lower level dungeons from P3 to P4 was too great both in size and difficulty. Of course they are low level XP leveling and experience dungeons and need to be seen in that context, but even so people only learn their classes and party roles by being pushed a little by content a little above their comfort level.
Also, there is the simple fact that in p3 they were a much more enjoyable to play through. Sadly the P4/release versions are bland uninteresting and lacking in the pressures that help people both learn and have fun.

i agree they need to start ading more relevant content. fresh 50s have enough dungeons as it bloody is.
also i hope they dont go the same way of not ading coil 6-9 to df. puting these roadblocks is just asinine. titan ex is in df. there is no excuse. let us practice and smash our heads against it if we want to.

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If you want keep your playerbase paying your game, you need work Friend.

The hardwork is the only way to go. The amount of content the dev team is creating atm is not enough for keep the playerbase interesed, you can see the big amount of complain everyday in this forums asking for :

1.- Open World content
2.- More Raids
3.- Content with horizontal progression
4.- Dungeons for more than 8 man

In the company i work. We do 4 projects per month. We code about 6 hours per day and 2 hours are for planning, depuration and presentation. Basically in 5 days we have to make a new program. If 10 people without the resources square enix have, can make this posible.

Why a company with professional programmers, 3D designers cant make a "Boss Fight" each month and new dungeon each 60 days?.

Tera being a F2P game, said. Create a full dungeon can take "almost 30 days".

Creating a boss fight in a small arena, not even a full dungeon cant take more than 15 days for a professional group of work like square enix.

A full dungeon probably yes 30 days, but giving they 60 days would be enough for avoid rush the project.

But.... if you think this game will keep his playerbase, with small content each 3 months. I respect your opinion.

This game will be FFXI - ver 2.0 Running 10 years with 400 - 500k playerbase. Im Ok with this, i played 8 years FFXI with that amount of players...

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Originally Posted by razzgrizz3

i agree they need to start ading more relevant content. fresh 50s have enough dungeons as it bloody is.
also i hope they dont go the same way of not ading coil 6-9 to df. puting these roadblocks is just asinine. titan ex is in df. there is no excuse. let us practice and smash our heads against it if we want to.

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6-9 would be not in Df because they get the same weekly lockout that 1-5 have currently.

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Originally Posted by Ricky

You have as much idea as he does, that is to say little to none, so don't act like you are any different

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I guess it's a good thing I have an idea, and yes that's a lot of work. I used to think that yeah it was easy to do updates. I mean the systems are in place, just need DAT copy and paste... Then I started working in my companies IT group as a tier 3 support agent working closely with the technical team with the world's leading ERP software. Let's just say most people in this forum have absolutely no idea what software development consists of.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have more quality content. Keyword quality.

You Dow know Final Fantasy XI was like Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn pre Rise of Zilart.

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Originally Posted by Vensaval

You would think that the amount of times "this thread" has come up would be cause for concern in most people. Odd.

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Good thing that the Population of the actual Forum-Users is in most Games below 5% of the actual Playersbase and in FFXIV the last official Number was 3%. Odd that the Rest of the Playerbase does not bother to come here and complain as well, if it would be actually something to be worried about. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Isn't the point of calling something "hard" to be the same thing but made harder?

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Hard mode does not need to mean the SAME thing but harder. yes in some MMO 'hard' mode is just the same thing with more HP and doing more DMG, but that is the lazy path.

Hard mode is a new version or revisiting of a previous dungeon at a later point in time which has been re-inhabited by new creatures/bosses/paths. This is what FFXIV does, and same as other games such as GW2. the main dungeon is the same, but your going to encounter new things, paths, bosses, ... and it will be at a higher level, and higher difficulty relative to the dungeons ilvl/lvl.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Good thing that the Population of the actual Forum-Users is in most Games below 5% of the actual Playersbase and in FFXIV the last official Number was 3%. Odd that the Rest of the Playerbase does not bother to come here and complain as well, if it would be actually something to be worried about. :rolleyes:

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Yet decisions are made quiet often on implementing different things into the game based on the posts and opinions on these forums.

If the opinions on the forums are so irrelevant then why do the devs read them and make game changes accordingly?

I like this game and the direction its headed mostly because I work 40 hours a week and really only have time to play during the weekend and during the week will do other small things like crafting and gathering for like an hour or two. I'm surprised that people have so much trouble spending $14.99 a month on a game. If you have that kind of trouble then honestly you should focus more on your life instead of this game. People say this game is bland and repetitive but that just means you play this game far to much and need to actually know how to walk away from it and do other things in life. Take a break from it if you feel burned out and stop trying to rush through all the content as fast as possible and just enjoy the game because this game is far better then any of the other mmorpgs that are currently out right now.

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Originally Posted by nocturnal84

Yet decisions are made quiet often on implementing different things into the game based on the posts and opinions on these forums.

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Decisions are made of the Feedback Forums, not of the General Discussion Forum. You will see people posting only in Feedback, which you have NEVER seen in General Discussion and never will see here. And it is still just a minority, which can be bad in some cases. I seriously would be happy if the FULL playerbase would bother more with the Forums, but they do not.

There were several Threads about giving Feedback ingame Mandatory, after you have completed something or the possibility of giving Feedback ingame in general. And hey.. there is a "Suggestion Form" in the Support Desk. But that is not the point, the point is people believe that you can say a Game is dying according to what is said on General Discussions; which is simply wrong.

Most people who play games are in their 30's and they have kids and work 40 hrs. So making an MMO thats harder and a time sink is out of the question because most of the player base will quit since they don't have the time to put into a single game.