I'm pretty okay with that. Makes me think of the new weapon trials system in FFXI. And I still like the idea of having a use for my old weapons/armor as I level other than just selling them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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06-29-2011, 05:43 AMthenewzero
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06-29-2011, 05:48 AMXenor
I think it's stupid. Why am I going to wear a crab bow NQ to transform it into materia when I could be using my +3? Am I missing something here? It's just causing 50s to needlessly grind to make materia. No one is going to invite you to a raid party and say it's ok for you to bring your gimp equipment for materia purposes. People want you wearing your best.
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06-29-2011, 05:50 AMSorelThen wear your best. What's stopping you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-29-2011, 05:55 AMReinheartI had noobs who tried to come to events in FFXI with lower level jobs, or hitting mobs with different weapon while farming for key item to pop NM's and stuff. Probably not raid party but other stuff they may add into the game; people might be able to wear that gear so they can make it into materia + doesn't mean you have to party, they making stuff so you can solo probably can work on the materia's during your solo hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-29-2011, 05:57 AMPerrin_AybarraYou can wear your +3 if you wish no one is stopping you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
Also you need to stop thinking that everything is thought out for the ones that are currently level 50. It makes a lot of sense if you think about it starting at level 1. You wear gears, you level up a bit, you change your old gears into materia and you attach it on your new gears. Rinse and repeat. When you reach level 50 and start to get end-game gears, your old gears that you were wearing will be ready to turn into materia to attach to your shiny new gear.
If you are not willing to sacrifice your current gear, then buy it and stop crying. Or just grind materia on lower-gear when you have some free time. Work for your stuff sometimes, you might feel good about it. -
06-29-2011, 06:16 AMTirionCreyThis!Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra
And to debunk your argument...the BEST gear would be your Crab Bow+3 PLUS the Materia from another Crab Bow probably...so go figure...
In the end SE gives you the choice, do you want to be hardcore and grind equip to turn into Materia to add it to your best equip, or do you just want to wear whatever is best for you w/o adding Materia. This is a great system. It encourages the hardcore people, while not putting the "casual" players at a big disadvantage, cause if they wear their equip, it will be convertable into materia as well, just later and not as fast as a hardcore person might get it done. Win:Win Situation! -
06-29-2011, 06:37 AMCoglin
Keeping in mind that 100% of this topic is based on unfounded assumption, I have some unfounded concepts of my own I like, and think would work well.
Example.
Each slot could have a "blank slate" type piece of gear.
Helm of possibility.....
Chest plate of possibility.....
Gloves of possibility.....
Hooded robe of possibility.....
So on and so forth.....
These base items can have base states, and drop of NMs.
Next, other NMs can drop various materia that can be crafted into the base gear. Each materis can have a name or color. Personally I would like to see it have names from the series.
Materia could work similarly to the way it is used in Final Fantasy VII. However, a new feature called Materia Fusion allows for two Materia to be fused together to create a stronger Materia with higher stats.
■Magic Materia is divided into Dark Green for offensive magic, Light Green for curative magic, and Yellow-Green for defensive magic.
■Command Materia is divided into Pale Yellow for attack commands and Gold Yellow for item-associated commands.
■Independent Materia is divided into Light Purple for DMW Materia and Dark Purple for stat-enhancing Materia.
■Support Materia is divided into Light Blue for elemental and status-related Materia and Dark Blue for SP abilities.
There are five basic Materia types, distinguished by color.
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Red - Summon Materia: Used to summon creatures to aid in battle.
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Green - Magic Materia: Used to cast spells, including Black, White, and status-inducing spells. Also affects Strength and Magic stats.
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Yellow - Command Materia: Allows the use of extra commands in battle like Throw and Steal.
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Blue - Support Materia: Can be linked to other Materia in order to enhance their effects.
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Purple - Independent Materia: Various functions, including increasing stats and auto-abilities such as Cover.
In addition to the above, there is the unique Command Materia, the Enemy Skill Materia, which teaches Enemy Skills to the player.
Frankly, its about time to get pets into the game. As well its time to get blue magic in the game.
Now depending on what stats or abilities one wants to specialize in, would be directly influenced by the materia one has imbued in there basic gear. SO the gear on one player may have completely different stated and benefits then anothers.
This is just a rough idea, but Its a working idea. Either way, I would like to see the only way to aquire materia stones or the items they can be merged into, drop off NMs. -
06-29-2011, 06:40 AMViridianaThat doesn't actually debunk the argument. The materia from another Crab Bow is going to have to be farmed. Since they're adding the system to increase demand for NQ gear, I highly doubt there's going to be any difference between materia derived from NQ vs +3 bows. This means one of two things (or a mix of the two, I guess). Demand for +3s will go up (not the intended effect), or people will wear NQs to convert to materia (wearing sub-optimal gear). On the other hand, I doubt anyone will turn +3s into materia. Worst case, there will be multiple, situational materia that one would want added to their weapons. This would certainly encourage a mix of the two, since it's easier to carry multiple weapons with separate materia than to completely re-do the materia inlays each time. Especially true if the weapon's been double-inlayed. Either way, it's certain that everyone (more or less) will be running around in sub-optimal gear just to convert it to materia for their real weapon. Maybe after a while enough materia will be floating around the market that it won't really matter, but until then, yeah. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by TirionCrey
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06-29-2011, 07:13 AMAirleaYes. Yes you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-29-2011, 07:15 AMLerrisThat's your own fault for trying to perform two incompatible activities at once. If you're going raiding, you should be focused on the raid, not on producing materia. If you don't want to grind to make materia, don't. Wait for it to show up on the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-29-2011, 08:26 AMXenor
Woah, is this thread where all the trolls hang out or something? Where to begin with this drivel.
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Originally Posted by Sorel
Clearly not one of you read the post you're responding to. No sane person is going to turn their +3 bow into materia. You might prefer to convert a 30mil bow over a 50k NQ but that's up to you, it's not something that should be encouraged and most people will agree with that. A game shouldn't encourage you to spend more time using sub-optimal equip than you spend using your best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra
Presumably you get better materia by converting higher ranked gear. So are you suggesting people should wear that rank 50 gear from rank 1 just so they can convert it to materia as they rank up? We should be discouraging the use of over ranked gear, not encouraging it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra
All it encourages is yet more botting. Do you really think people are going to sit and hardcore grind gear into materia? Hell no, they're going to set their bots to attack mobs all night while they sleep and wake up with a full set of materia. Players don't like hardcore grinding, that's evident from the number of people that quit with the complaint of levelling being too slow, the number of people botting crafts to 50, the number of people who cancel leves, the number of people who demand more SP from gathering nodes. I repeat; people do not like hardcore grinding. Let's leave that out of the game, it's a relic from the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by TirionCrey
Which is exactly what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lerris
The logic of "If you don't like the content, don't do it" has gotten this game quite far since September hasn't it? I mean, the playerbase is just huge right now, filled with millions of people who just LOVE the content that exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lerris
No, we don't want a hardcore grindfest. Neither do you by the looks of your sig and that rank 31 being your highest class. If you loved grinding as much as you make out surely you'd have at least one class over 40 by now, if not capped. 1-31 takes about two days. -
06-29-2011, 09:17 AMSorel
Hi Xenor. Since you decided to call me a troll when I simply asked you an honest question, I will once again repeat the question, and emphasize that I'm not being sarcastic. This is an honest question.
Why can't you wear your best gear during parties/raids/dungeons? The Materia System (as far as I can tell) does nothing to prevent you from doing so. -
06-29-2011, 10:27 AMHulan
My apologies for asking what may be a stupid question, but if you want to utilize the Materia system, but don't want to wear sub-optimal gear, why don't you just buy the Materia you want and equip it to your optimal gear?
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06-29-2011, 12:05 PMNuruThere is that, and if the raid requires you to wear your best, then use your +3 Bow. Then on your own time, grind on an NQ bow and convert it into Materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulan
One of those things..
Not. Hard. to. Understand.
It has also been said that low rank people will not be able to relate anything to higher rank materia conversion. Wearing high rank gear at a lower level is even further discouraged with this materia system, as no progress in the conversion will be made. -
06-29-2011, 12:58 PMXenorI didn't answer your question because you didn't read my post. If you did read it then you'd not be asking such a question. You WILL be wearing your best gear in raid content because you won't be invited if you're a gimp. The system still encourages you to be a gimp in every scenario where wearing your best equipment isn't important however (all current content for example). That's what I don't like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorel
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06-29-2011, 05:41 PMPayadopa
I don't understand your concern. Nobody is forcing you (mostly a good thing in MMOs) and in your non-raiding free time you can still turn your gear into materia. See? Everyone's happy. And with a nice party of friends, I'm sure nobody would kill you if you'd come with a NQ bow instead of a shiny +12 one.
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06-29-2011, 06:33 PMViridianaI'm just gonna respond to this one. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuru
Okay, total list of options:
1) Wear +3 gear at all times, then turn it into materia. I shouldn't have to explain why this isn't gonna happen, and I think we even all agree on this one.
2) Wear +3 gear only during progression content; wear NQ otherwise to turn into materia. This still encourages wearing sub-optimal gear, even if it is on "content that doesn't matter." Suboptimal is suboptimal is suboptimal. Why would you encourage it?
3) Wear +3 gear at all times; buy your materia. I'm sure we can also all agree that materia is going to start out horribly over-priced. So, yeah, not happening any time soon. Besides, it's not that we don't want to make our own materia, it's that we don't see why being sub-optimal should *ever* be encouraged.
4) Pretend that materia doesn't exist. Wear +3 gear at all times.
5) Pretend that materia doesn't exist. Wear NQ gear at all times.
Ignoring that 4 and 5 are just my being sarcastic, that leaves options 1-3. Option 1 never involves going sub-optimal, but it also dodges part of the intent behind the system, i.e. increasing demand for NQ gear. Option 2 addresses that by equiping NQ gear, but that means going sub-optimal. Yes, it means going sub-optimal on my own time, but that's still not something I should have to do. For all that everyone complains about leves rewarding failure, y'all sure seem quick to be rewarding sub-optimal play. . . -
06-29-2011, 08:00 PMSorel
Just because the FFXIV gives you an option to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it encourages a player to take that option.
FFXIV currently allows the player the option of ranking up on all Disciple of Hand classes and no others. Going this option allows the player to be able to create and/or repair virtually every item in the game. The downside is that player will never participate effectively in combat. It's the players choice whether or not to actually take that option.
I personally don't take that option ... for various reasons which are all my own. It is my right to make that choice.
The Materia System will give players the option of using equipment that can then be turn into materia to enhance other equipment. The downside is that the equipment that is turned into materia is lost. It's the player's choice whether or not to actually take that option.
You don't have to do this, though. And if you don't want to do this, then don't do it. You don't have to participate in the FFXIV lowbie-equipment recycle program if you don't want to.
Keep your HQ +3. Fight awesome battles with it. You have that right. -
06-30-2011, 01:46 AMAirleaSimply applying it to the game as it is now is silly. There isn't any real endgame content. Pump your brakes and see what else they have in store for us. You're looking through a keyhole atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
Also, in scenarios where wearing your best equipment isn't important, why do you feel it's important? This hurts my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenor
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06-30-2011, 04:37 AMViridianaJust because FFXIV gives you an option to do something doesn't necessarily mean that it encourages a player to take that option.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorel
FFXIV currently allows the player the option of killing the Peiste at the end of Dunes, or of killing the Dreamtoad at the end of Necrologos. Taking this option allows the player to be able to receive gil rewards. The downside is that the player might not have the same leve next leve group.
I personally don't take that option, for reasons which are my own.
The leve-failing system gives players the option of always having good leves to link with their friends. The downside is that they don't get completion gil as often. It's the player's choice whether or not to actually take that option.
You don't have to do this, though. You don't have to level up efficiently if you don't want to.
Go ahead. Pop that last light. Have an awesome battle with that Peiste. You have that right. . . -
06-30-2011, 04:59 AMSorelQuote:
Originally Posted by Sorel
I agree. Players have the right not to level in the absolute most efficient manner possible. FFXIV doesn't necessarily encourage leveling in the most absolutely efficient manner possible. It's an option. A choice a player makes. For good or for ill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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07-02-2011, 06:35 AMTirionCrey
Lol this is just getting hilarious. What is everyones problem with "grinding" a piece of equip to 100% to convert it into materia to make your shiny +3 even better than it was? People can talk as much as they want to, there will be a shitton of players doing exactly that and they don't mind at all! People farmed Kokoroon, Cactuar Jack, Old Six Arms etc etc etc like they were Nidhogg back in FFXI and why? To get equip that does NOTHING cause stats are broken? If people would mind doing it, they wouldn't, but still they do, so everyone who claims "hardcore" grinding is a relic of the past go play Hello Kitty Online again...if it makes you perform better in your class, people will do it and a lot of people will like it(if maximizing your peformance actually shows a difference)
This whole system favours all type of players. Casuals can just do it while they play, Hardcore have something to do even if they have all classes to 50 already, and semi hardcore who don't have all classes at 50, can focus on converting equip into materia for their one main class they want to pimp out. It's content for EVERYONE, so stop bitching about stuff you don't understand!