An Open Letter to Yoshida-san: What can I do with a house?

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Originally Posted by NeruMew

Not that one specifically. I was searching for one that was something among the lines "Show your FC house"

Or something like that, people where posting pictures of their "FC houses".

Thank you however, I appreciate your gesture and searching for it.

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Ah. You mean "Show off your FC mansion! - Screenshots"? I managed to find the link when I resorted to google after 30 pages in general chat, but only to see "Invalid Forum Top specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" I had no desired results with search function. Looks like it has been deleted.

That's pretty much exactly what I figured houses were for. To look at and show off and decorate and stuff.

Kinda the same concept as why people build stuff on Minecraft.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Build airships and go adventuring? How does one adventure in an world of instances....Enjoying the game but I think that's funny.

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Yeah, that's... really puzzling.

To build an airship... to go where?

Airship... maybe a waste of time to elitists who only care about endgame. But... there are crafters who would find building one to be fun... even if it doesn't go anywhere or do anything.

Houses are missing one of the most critical functions any player is going to want: a retainer bell.

Currently, the only 'functional' items are the company chest and mailbox.

The "Airship" can be theoretically a city-to-city shortcut from the residence, but I already believe that we've established that Yoshi will promise ten things to get people excited, and only deliver one in a haphazard way.

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Originally Posted by NeruMew

It has been said already. Medium and Large houses have 3 floors (ground floor, first floor and basement)... Small houses are of the size of an inn room (plus the backyard). All of the houses have backyards and their sizes are relative to the house size.

Difference between medium and large size is just the size of the stories. Bigger floors for large.

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Medium has 2 floors, large has 3 floors. Only large has a basement.

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Originally Posted by Zourin

Houses are missing one of the most critical functions any player is going to want: a retainer bell.

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Retainer Bell is coming, maybe with 2.2

I'm super confused about housing. So only a free company can purchase a house? Individual players cant? Seems pretty lame to me, i wanted my own cottage I could decorate!

I agree, information is extremely lacking about a feature that has already shipped.

Looking at the housing zones, the ratio of sizes is 3 large, 7 medium, 20 small. To have size-exclusive content means SE is planning that 2/3 of even active, achieving customers (those whose FCs can afford an FC house) will miss out. That increases to 90% locked out if some content is only for large housing.

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Originally Posted by Kirosuu

small house.....is very very very small
of medium and large got second floor and underground floor with different just size
small house is like a box.....maybe like a small room in hotel/motel
so i doubt small house will get future house function

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The scaling on any size house is far out of line compared to the number of members and gil grinding effort it would take to get one, my son suggested that somehow the inside of houses will outsize the exteriors, ill believe that when I see it.

Hell for the original ballpark figures of 625mil for large plots on legacy servers, that kind of gil should get a plot the size of an entire "ward".

This patch should have never went live with housing attached, even at half the cost, the comments about server capacity from Yoshi suggest to me it will be a very looong time before questions like these are answered if at all.

Really shouldn't be that hard to get these questions answered.

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

Really shouldn't be that hard to get these questions answered.

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It does take time. The route seems to be either:
[EN post] -> [some bold person posts it in Japanese on JP forums] -> [devs respond] -> [Reinheart translates it to EN on his thread]
or
[EN post] -> [reps notice] -> [SE translates it] -> [devs respond] -> [SE translates response to EN] -> [Rep posts it in this thread]

Oh, just to clarify: I don't think the translation is the most time-consuming part, but it does add a little delay.

I myself wonder more about "when?" not "what?"

in other words if its going to take 3 more months of our subs before we get housing at a fair price then how long will it take to make the content available... I give it another 2 before even a single feature is released.

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Originally Posted by Beeraga

We need an official Dev response whether the future planned items like choco raising/workshop/airship will be available for all housing sizes. No one is asking players to answer that, but we do need the Devs to.

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Greetings,

If you are concerned about being able to partake in the future content planned for housing, specifically the ability to build airships and such in small houses since they do not have a basement, please do not worry! While we can't get into the details, small houses will also be able to do this.

We'll be sure to let you know more details moving forward!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

If you are concerned about being able to partake in the future content planned for housing, specifically the ability to build airships and such in small houses since they do not have a basement, please do not worry! While we can't get into the details, small houses will also be able to do this.

We'll be sure to let you know more details moving forward!

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I hope this means you'll be adding a second floor to small houses so FC don't have to live in dorm rooms.

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Originally Posted by Legend_

It would be cool if a full party was required of DOH to build an airship, hell make it an alliance

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Mind if I expand on this idea and suggest an alliance consisting of various disciples of the hand to complete the airship? Perhaps not cooking, but I can certainly see where the others could be used. Goldsmith for the navigational instruments, Alchemists for getting the thing aloft by some use of combined science and magic, and the rest are pretty self-explanatory.

I like it!!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

If you are concerned about being able to partake in the future content planned for housing, specifically the ability to build airships and such in small houses since they do not have a basement, please do not worry! While we can't get into the details, small houses will also be able to do this.

We'll be sure to let you know more details moving forward!

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Will we be able to do as much of it at once as the larger houses? Will the small house be able to fit the shop and the dueling arena and the crafters' workshop? Or will we have to pick which extension we want the most?

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

Mind if I expand on this idea and suggest an alliance consisting of various disciples of the hand to complete the airship? Perhaps not cooking, but I can certainly see where the others could be used. Goldsmith for the navigational instruments, Alchemists for getting the thing aloft by some use of combined science and magic, and the rest are pretty self-explanatory.

I like it!!

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Ummm, no. We don't need such ridiculous requirements that not every FC will be able to participate. This game needs less segregated content.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

If you are concerned about being able to partake in the future content planned for housing, specifically the ability to build airships and such in small houses since they do not have a basement, please do not worry! While we can't get into the details, small houses will also be able to do this.

We'll be sure to let you know more details moving forward!

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Could your please remove small FC houses from the game, they are really a joke. Fine for personal housing but for a FC.... lets see if you can fit every Employee from Square Enix into a shed. Thats how pathetic they are & the same reason why your employees wouldnt want to do that is the same reason why FC's & people in general dont want to buy them. e.t.c. Main reason anyone has is because of the idionic pricing.
Just remove them.

Small FC houses is basically an insult towards us. Even for a tiny FC it is cramped.
There really is no point redusing the price on these plots of lands when noone wants it.

Please remove them and let the medium houses be the smallest houses available as standard.

Gummi SHIP!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

If you are concerned about being able to partake in the future content planned for housing, specifically the ability to build airships and such in small houses since they do not have a basement, please do not worry! While we can't get into the details, small houses will also be able to do this.

We'll be sure to let you know more details moving forward!

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SQE tells us "not to worry", "to look forward" or "be excited for" in regards to a lot of things; Most of those things come back to bite us. For all we know "being able to do this" means that they just expect smaller FC's to mooch off the workshops that larger FC's have and call that a feature.

You (SQE) need to start being far more open about what you have planned for the game. Not just what you want to do but how you want to do it; A lot of people who were a lot less cynical about the company (or game) than I am are starting to waver. Don't take those people for granted.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

SQE tells us "not to worry", "to look forward" or "be excited for" in regards to a lot of things; Most of those things come back to bite us. For all we know "being able to do this" means that they just expect smaller FC's to mooch off the workshops that larger FC's have and call that a feature.

You (SQE) need to start being far more open about what you have planned for the game. Not just what you want to do but how you want to do it; A lot of people who were a lot less cynical about the company (or game) than I am are starting to waver. Don't take those people for granted.

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First MMO? Most companies do this to build up hype and also save face when feature don't turn out like they planned. Most likely it'll be discussed in the Live Letter this Saturday.

and the fact is the small house does not have basement....where the hell are they suppose to place craft station & build airship ? the room is smaller than inn room (and inn room is for 1 character).

So, what do you do with the small house ? open a shop w/o craft station and cant build boat or airship ?

The houses sizes we have right now are great for personal housing, which is what these lots seem to actually be for. But, FC housing needs XL and XXL housing, which would make sense Uldah (which I would prefer living in big apartment style housing? in that city over a suburban home like it is in The Goblet) and Revanent's Toll since that seems to be the go to hub for adventurers in FF14. I also agree that the lot sizes and yard space should be increased, but not before making FC-only housing areas.

It would also be great to be able to get multiple housing plans. I would really love a two-story with basement house in the style of the tree house that the main character of the Legend of Mana video game on the PS1 lived in, which would be great for Gridania! You just have to admit that it would fit in aesthetically with that area!

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

and the fact is the small house does not have basement....where the hell are they suppose to place craft station & build airship ? the room is smaller than inn room (and inn room is for 1 character).

So, what do you do with the small house ? open a shop w/o craft station and cant build boat or airship ?

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Oh, it will most likely be that most of the house (70-90%) will be the actual workshop for your airship. It should be a real cool thing to see when someone enters your house. You'll literally be living and sleeping in the same house as your baby!

Maybe the size of the airship built will be determined by the size of the home?

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Originally Posted by Deifact

I'm super confused about housing. So only a free company can purchase a house? Individual players cant? Seems pretty lame to me, i wanted my own cottage I could decorate!

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I think you'll find that most small, and some medium, FC houses will be purchased by the FC owner without collecting donations once housing takes off, making it their own cottage that FC members have access to.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

First MMO? Most companies do this to build up hype and also save face when feature don't turn out like they planned. Most likely it'll be discussed in the Live Letter this Saturday.

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Actually no, i've played quite a few MMO's.

It's unfortunate, but with SQE's track record so far, they can talk, bluster or promise all they want about the features that will come out, but they've talked up their features in the past only to do the exact opposite when feature release comes out; So anything they say until release date for anything is just smoke.

A lot of people think small houses are currently too small for even small FCs (~8 member), but SE apparently doesn't. They are drastically lowering prices (50%) to encourage FCs to buy them. The originally 8 million gil small will have a new "starting price" of 4M late Feb, and by that time the houses that have been for sale since December will have prices that have fallen down to around 2.3M.) Plus we have no idea what personal housing will even look like. (An instanced room? An instanced yard+house? Over 200 wards per city?)

As for the rep response, I'm glad SE has offered at least a little cause to hope that small houses won't be left out of any FC housing content. Now if SE can just double that square footage, they might start selling a few. (Each wards has twice as many small houses as medium+large combined, so smalls should need to be quite a lot more popular than now.)

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Originally Posted by Camate

specifically the ability to build airships and such

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..Am I the only one that's still trying to figure out what this means? Airships? Like personal Airships? Like Airships that we will be able to control and literally fly in the skies of Eorzea?


...and...."and such" ? are we going to be making sea ships too?

You know maybe you just need a tiny shiny item on your table or something and when you click on it you'll be transferred to airship building dimension. :P

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Originally Posted by FritoBandito

Perhaps not cooking,

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Perhaps not cooking?!?! CRAFTERS GOTTA EAT TOO!!!! Lol >.<

I do like this idea, though. I would imagine crafting an airship would take a considerable amount of time. Maybe they could make it so there was a durability/efficiency type stat that would slowly degrade throughout the process. The hungrier the crafting team gets, the worse their performance becomes. It is up to the chef to make sure these good crafters receive the sustenance they need to go on building binges!!!!

I call role of Chef Ramsey >)

Prediction/Speculation:

FC houses will eventually have magic-door furnishings, that can be placed on the walls and will lead to individual members' personal houses/rooms. These magic doors will also be used expand FC houses to the Airship building areas, farming, chocobo raising, crafting zones, etc...

This is how even small FC houses will ultimately have enough room for large groups of players.


What we have currently is only the 'HUB' of FC housing.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

You know maybe you just need a tiny shiny item on your table or something and when you click on it you'll be transferred to airship building dimension. :P

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Basically this. Probably a furniture item resembling a floor hatch or something that you place on the floor, which leads to another instanced room that mimics an underground workshop. If SE wants to be lazy it'll probably look the same regardless of your house size and city.

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Originally Posted by EmiliM

Basically this. Probably a furniture item resembling a floor hatch or something that you place on the floor, which leads to another instanced room that mimics an underground workshop. If SE wants to be lazy it'll probably look the same regardless of your house size and city.

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Lorewise could be that the guys at Ironworks build a teleporter using allagan tech they figure out from CT. Using that they let us borrow a part of their workshop which could be said to get a new headquarters.

I was doing some research and found this update from Yoshi-P... from over two years ago... (Nobody can say they don't have long-term plans...) :) It mentions an "underground facility" for airships, as well as other housing-related future content.

From a "Future of Gathering Classes" update on November 9, 2011 (source: Japanese, English Translation)

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Originally Posted by "Naoki_Yoshida

I spoke a little bit about housing in the 2nd edition of the LIVE producer letter. I personally came up with the basic design for housing. (We have separate staff working on the details, and I feel bad for them that I was so ambitious with my plans)

I decided to implement a garden by any means necessary so that we can add content for Disciples of the Land and Hand.

It is also possible for players to decorate the exterior of buildings using custom architectural items created by Disciples of the Hand using construction material gathered by Disciples of the Land. There are roofs and other architectural items that can be purchased with gil, but custom items will only be attained through Disciples of the Hand and Land.

We also plan on implementing gardens so that players can plant gysahl greens and raise chocobo chicks.

Another thing we have planned for housing is an underground facility for building boats and airships. (This will be implemented sometime after the release of 2.0) We will release an image for housing as soon as possible, so please look forward to this patiently.

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