Vote Kick if watching cut scene? Dev Pls Respond

As long as SE are incredibly strict on the punishments doled out to people who abuse the votekick feature, we'll be fine.

Because the punishment should be really bad. (Thinking day in gaol at least, for any incidents past the first warning).

Who cares if people watch cutscenes? I mean really?

There should be an option to turn cutscenes off, even just that you haven't seen. :)

I wonder if duty roulette will also have options like normal duty finder. I'd like to be more than likely to end up with a party that's simply questing for story because speed runs after work doesn't exactly feel enjoyable to me.

Just the thought of kicking someone from a party for watching a cut-scene is disgusting.
Why in god's name should there be a punishment for those who are playing the game how it is meant to be played?

The problem is that they are giving ultimate power of another persons fate over to the average player. For whatever reason you want to claim the players now get to designate the conditions for play.

The system probably wont track the how and why. It will be a feature that is instigated by the players and it will be up to the others to use it with proper morals which to be honest means it can be manipulated.

The problem is that SE don't understand the utter selfish and self-centred attitude of many 'western' players. I doubt very much that any such 'CS-watcher kicking' will happen on JP servers, by and large JP players are not like that, on the NA/EU servers I expect it'll be common place.

We checked on this with the UI team who informed us that the kick option cannot be used until 5 minutes after the start of the dungeon. However, even if a player is in a cutscene, the kick feature can be initiated if there are enough votes to support it. You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

That said, as stated by Yoshida previously, we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

We checked on this with the UI team who informed us that the kick option cannot be used until 5 minutes after the start of the dungeon. However, even if a player is in a cutscene, the kick feature can be initiated if there are enough votes to support it. You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

That said, as stated by Yoshida previously, we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

I mean Im still on my first run through here and havent even got near the "end" of the current V2 storyline and thats before its expanded with 2.1 so obviously I'm gonna be watchin Dungeon cutscenes when they come up, seems unfair I could get booted for wanting to enjoy the main selling point of the FF games - the story!

Or could you add a Duty Finder option that allows groups to be formed where all players want to watch cut-scenes?

As far as reporting goes, do people need to keep track of everyone they were with, or are names and their worlds automatically logged on SE's end?

If not, maybe have a log for players to view somewhere? Many people choose the same names across several worlds, so it can be difficult knowing which is which.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

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They could still get kicked the second the CS is over.

There will always be abuses. The only way to truly remove such abuse would be to make it impossible to kick someone doing the dungeon for their first time. Make so that if it's in your Journal for a story quest, you can not be kicked. Period.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

I mean Im still on my first run through here and havent even got near the "end" of the current V2 storyline and thats before its expanded with 2.1 so obviously I'm gonna be watchin Dungeon cutscenes when they come up, seems unfair I could get booted for wanting to enjoy the main selling point of the FF games - the story!

Or could you add a Duty Finder option that allows groups to be formed where all players want to watch cut-scenes?

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in 2.1 you'll be able to tick box for your purpose of playing dungeon
if you join event marked as [Speed Run] and start watching cut scenes, you'll be rightfully kicked
if you join event marked as [New Player], you should not expect kick, and if you do get kicked, you have rightful case to call GM for griefing.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

I mean Im still on my first run through here and havent even got near the "end" of the current V2 storyline and thats before its expanded with 2.1 so obviously I'm gonna be watchin Dungeon cutscenes when they come up, seems unfair I could get booted for wanting to enjoy the main selling point of the FF games - the story!

Or could you add a Duty Finder option that allows groups to be formed where all players want to watch cut-scenes?

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He just said if they did that then what about the people who are afk but stuck in a cutscene cause now it popped? They'd be sitting there afk for the longest because there'd be no way to boot them..... pretty sure thats what he was directing at.

I totally understand your point though because it bugs me when people are like "Just skip cutscenes you can see them in the inn." Especially now that we can just do stuff like wanderer palace or amdapor keep for tomes so in lower stuff than that... its pretty annoying for people who already did it to do that. :x

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Originally Posted by Seidaku

Is it going to be possible for people to initiate a vote kick for people who are watching the cut scenes?

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Even if it doesn't work while a cutscene is active I imagine it will immediately after.

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

in 2.1 you'll be able to tick box for your purpose of playing dungeon
if you join event marked as [Speed Run] and start watching cut scenes, you'll be rightfully kicked
if you join event marked as [New Player], you should not expect kick, and if you do get kicked, you have rightful case to call GM for griefing.

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I think this is the new server board for parties. I don't think this will be an option for DF groups. Unless you see it noted elsewhere otherwise.

And it sounds like Hvinire is saying that to avoid the AFK by staying in cutrscene would be the new issue.

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Originally Posted by Meirii

People are playing to enjoy the game not go through speed runs, organize a speed run party before you enter the dungeon

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exactly, dont use dutyfinder to find members for a speed run, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

We checked on this with the UI team who informed us that the kick option cannot be used until 5 minutes after the start of the dungeon. However, even if a player is in a cutscene, the kick feature can be initiated if there are enough votes to support it. You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

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I remember joining a CM run where 6 out of 8 left due to someone admitting it was his first time .

Being kicked out of a Story dungeon especially is poor design when youre forced to do them and you risk losing new players at the cost of some ill mannered customer who is going to pay you in eithet case.

There must be a functionality to prevent new players from being kicked out of a story dungeon the first time they run it.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Surely your systems know when players are in cut-scenes given how it says so in the Party List - cant you simply disable the kick function on players in cut-scene?

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There's a problem here: Some cutscenes have dialogue that must be manually advanced by the player. Thus, people can stay in certain cutscenes forever and prevent the party from progressing. So kick still needs to be possible during a cutscene

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Originally Posted by Meirii

People are playing to enjoy the game not go through speed runs, organize a speed run party before you enter the dungeon

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Good of you to speak for all the folks that play this game. Glad we got that all cleared up now, silly folks thinking people might enjoy playing in ways you don't like.

Regardless, the system, as posted, seems fine. If someone wants to needlessly hold everyone else up they'll get the boot. Majority rules.

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Originally Posted by Zirael_Foxfire

in 2.1 you'll be able to tick box for your purpose of playing dungeon
if you join event marked as [Speed Run] and start watching cut scenes, you'll be rightfully kicked
if you join event marked as [New Player], you should not expect kick, and if you do get kicked, you have rightful case to call GM for griefing.

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As C-croft said, this isn't for DF. The Party Board will let you find groups on your own server more easily, it's separate from DF.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

Regardless, the system, as posted, seems fine. If someone wants to needlessly hold everyone else up they'll get the boot. Majority rules.

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You must have missed this.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

We checked on this with the UI team who informed us that the kick option cannot be used until 5 minutes after the start of the dungeon. However, even if a player is in a cutscene, the kick feature can be initiated if there are enough votes to support it. You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

That said, as stated by Yoshida previously, we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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When you're in a DF group, you don't get to make the rules, majority or not. Kicking one person who may be new, and is watching Cutscenes, can easily be seen as abuse.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

However, even if a player is in a cutscene, the kick feature can be initiated if there are enough votes to support it. You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

That said, as stated by Yoshida previously, we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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Great, so what you're saying is those of us who actually like to watch the cut scenes in game as they're supposed to be viewed (minority) will be overridden by people who just want you to mash through the scenes and watch them later, when you're not in the context of playing through the story. SUPER LAME!!! I'm all for a vote kick system but not if it means I can't play the game the way I like. I should be able to watch the cut scenes in-game if I want to!!!

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Originally Posted by Naberrie

They could still get kicked the second the CS is over.

There will always be abuses. The only way to truly remove such abuse would be to make it impossible to kick someone doing the dungeon for their first time. Make so that if it's in your Journal for a story quest, you can not be kicked. Period.

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Absolutely not. First timers can be kick-worthy too, they're just as likely as anyone else to be abusive.

Hello...all the afk player would have to do is not progress their cutscenes and now you can't kick them out because their in a "cutscenes". Be careful what you ask for. The dev team is correct.

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Originally Posted by Leightronic

I'm all for a vote kick system but not if it means I can't play the game the way I like. I should be able to watch the cut scenes in-game if I want to!!!

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That's what a vote kick system is designed to do. It stops someone from playing the game in the way they like because the rest of the group finds their behavior detrimental/disagreeable. Maybe your SMN refuses to do anything but heal and insists your WHM dps. Maybe your DPS wants to pull the entire room when they know you can't handle it, or maybe that one guy wants to hold everyone up for 5 minutes at the beginning of every fight to watch cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

...we will take abuses of the system seriously and will take action against those using it for malicious purposes.

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Here's the thing about that.

When a person submits a GM report, and that report is not worded very specifically, the GMs close the ticket and send out a generic response. One of the specifics the GMs require is server, and when a person is in a Duty they are, in essence, not on any server. This means if someone wants to report someone else for abuse, they'll have to look them up on the Lodestone to find out what server they play on. Further problems possibly arise when the person being reported shares a name with one or more players on other servers. What if the wrong person is reported? How much effort are you really going to put into investigating these claims?


When I look at my blacklist and see dozens upon dozens of RMT spambots that I blacklisted and reported months ago that still haven't been deleted, I find it hard to believe you're going to take these abuses as seriously as you say you will.

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Originally Posted by Darkhaund

It because of people like you that do not care for the story that this game is ruined

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Go back and read the post you quoted again.

Read the whole thing this time. Read it out loud to yourself.

Maybe they should just pause the timer if a party member is viewing a cutscene, that way there's less tension to finish the dungeon. Even then, I don't think kicking someone for watching a cutscene is that good of an idea. First time players should NOT be vulnerable to the vote kick system. The people who want this feature for that are people who, like several people have mentioned, just want to mash through the dungeon.

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This was a problem in The Old Republic too, but they made sure you couldn't kick someone in a party because you were all watching the cutscene and had to wait for someone to reach the decision making bit. Operations aside since there is none of that inside the raid, but then again there is no time limit in the raid so nobody is pressured into finishing them quickly. The time limit in the dungeons is part of the reason why people try to mash through dungeons as fast as they can with little to no patience for new players, even though they and everyone else forget that they were new once too. They just feel entitled.

Going off track aside, the vote kick should have some conditions to it. Limitations so that it is not abused too much to become an issue for everyone other than the high noble sovereign players of mmos.

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Originally Posted by Seidaku

Is it going to be possible for people to initiate a vote kick for people who are watching the cut scenes? If this is going to be possible then let me know so I can just quit right now.

I will not support a game that will throw someone under the bus like this because of impatience from other people.

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It because of people like you that do not care for the story that this game is ruined

The title of this thread... No.

Why, it will be used as a tool for griefing. What about if you're running a slow computer or you're not the fastest to escape from a cutscene? Some idiot comes around and kicks you as you're trying to skip...

OP think before you write. This is an absolutely horrible idea and the MVP system is better, voting good players up is better than griefing because you're being a douche.

er... anyone here gave this a deep thought?

keep a guy watching a 30s cutscene... or wait 10s to realize hes watching said scene to kick him and wait another 20 seconds for another guy to join party? I see there is a lot of time saved here. O yea and best of luck kicking a tank. I am sure you guys saved yourselves a LOT of time finding a tank who is willing to not watch the cs.

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Here's the thing about that.

When a person submits a GM report, and that report is not worded very specifically, the GMs close the ticket and send out a generic response.

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Didn't happen to me, but I was very specific in my report...so they didn't gvive me a generic response..they pretty much handled my situation very well.

I disagree with the kick feature when watching a cutscene. Personally, if I'm with new players and I will ask, do you all want to watch the CS's? If the majority says yes, I will let them and not proceed deeper into the instance. CM and Pratorium have long CS's, but also a a 2 hr timer. Also, "you can watch the CS's in your inn room." No you cannot. You can only watch a few select ones. The only time a kick feature is needed is in a dungeon with no CS's and the Primal battles.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

You have to consider the fact that if it was not possible to kick people that were intentionally going AFK while watching a cutscene, then there would be more issues.

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More issues? I disagree, and makes me very worried for the purposes of this feature getting implemented.

I don't understand why people are so impatient! Just enjoy the game... If someone is playing poorly, help them play better. If someone is being rude or not being productive to the group regardless of trying to help them, then LEAVE THE GROUP. I personally don't see a point to a kick feature, even if someone is AFK. Just leave the group and re-queue... or god forbid "wait" if they are actually afk for a few minutes. What's the rush? This isn't WoW.

Let people watch cutscenes for christ sake. Or even go a step further, and FORCE CUTSCENES TO NOT BE SKIPPED!!! :D :D

Make cutscene dialogue line progress automatically after set period of time, and afk in cutscene wont be possible.

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Originally Posted by Bossycow

If someone is playing poorly, help them play better.

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Problem is some ppl done want to. I have been in dungeons where the tanks obviously fated themselves to 50, cannot hold hate for anything esp on more than 1 target and tell you to %@$# off if you try to give them helpful tips or just ignore you flat out and continue to suck throughout. Some goes for dd and healers

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Originally Posted by Bossycow

LEAVE THE GROUP

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Also not always an option if you are a dd and already have to wait up to an hr or more for a run in df, esp for story missions

I didn't know people watching cutscenes was an issue, since castrum/prae is no longer on anybody's radar.

The only time I have problems w/ people in cutscenes is when they stay in the cutscene for the entire run so they don't have to do any work.

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Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang

I didn't know people watching cutscenes was an issue, since castrum/prae is no longer on anybody's radar.

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Ran them last weekend for the first time. Was bullied into skipping cutscenes and told to watch them on the inn.

If you take more than 5 minutes to watch the CSs you're either a troll holding up the dungeon (we want these people kicked), had an emergency (who knows when you'll be back so KICK), or DCed (again who knows so KICK). One way to implement this to counter the occasional mid-dungeon CS is to place maybe a 1-2 min lockout on the vote to kick during CS points. This may not prevent assholes from kicking you once you're out but nothing is perfect.

By the way, someone will only appear as [DELETED] if the owner of the account deletes the character. Most if not all of those RMT on your blacklist are probably gone.

Pretty much every dungeon I've been in someone told me to skip the cutscenes.. not ask. Told.

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Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko

Or could you add a Duty Finder option that allows groups to be formed where all players want to watch cut-scenes?

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Sadly, I fear that would take 20 times longer for a real party to be formed. >.<