Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

If they rly wanted to balance bard, they should made healer need to heal more and put mage balad to more used, first 4 turn can be beaten without using a single time.

Giving bard access to CNJ again and making songs be time-based buffs like in FFXI? Well, my buddy who loved playing bard as a support class will be super happy but all the people who wanted epic DPS are going to be crying hard.

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Originally Posted by Dedayius

Giving bard access to CNJ again and making songs be time-based buffs like in FFXI? Well, my buddy who loved playing bard as a support class will be super happy but all the people who wanted epic DPS are going to be crying hard.

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You'd have to redesign all bard gear and make it more focused on MND to affect buffs and healing.

Not gonna happen.

Lol bards crying that their DPS is getting nerfed when they should have been a support class to begin with :P ....Im all for them adding pure support classes in to this game, I would love for BRD to be more supporty, wait for Ranger if you want to be a super DPS. SE screwed bard up from the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

Lol bards crying that their DPS is getting nerfed when they should have been a support class to begin with :P ....Im all for them adding pure support classes in to this game, I would love for BRD to be more supporty, wait for Ranger if you want to be a super DPS. SE screwed bard up from the beginning.

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said someone not having bard as a main job.

I don't think bard is a full support neither should be, as a archer upgrade, doing substantial dps should be his main focus, but since he learn the ways of bard after some time, he also should learn to manage his time to input some support in the battle, just as he is right now.

In fact thay they should do is give bard some kind of hast song with 30% penalty on dps and we would keep it almost full time and have our lowered to a point other dps wouldn't feel treat and qq about it.

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Originally Posted by Mergadeth

I wish they would just tell us what they are doing so we can make contingency plans, start rolling on alts etc.

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Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

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Originally Posted by Husband

Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

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Says a Goldsmith...

I want to get an answer for this, Since BRDs are only Support and not DPS, if a player only played as ARC would you still take them in your group or would you laugh and deny them? Be honest here because truth be told you would laugh and deny them because they are not playing as BRD. So with this in mind, stop being whiny crybabies that we can do dmg at range and move because we do not have the greatest dmg as it is. To get the same dmg my undergeared DRG gets i have to have every crit and dmg increase buff active at the same time and not to mention we lose 20% dmg with songs. Seriously this community has gone to crap with all the babies that have flocked to it.

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Originally Posted by Husband

Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

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Wait till people start ditching us like they did with Warrior because we will be useless outside of Coil. And the only reason they will carry us is because of Mages Ballad.

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Originally Posted by Husband

Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

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Nah! I'll admit I am prone to initial overreaction. You got me there. Who knows, it might be great. It might open up more possibilities and utility. Not planning on re rolling as my inner intelligent person realizes this is a living game and will evolve and change overtime. So my advice to myself and every other bard....if they change something about your abilities and you still like the game, how about finding a way to do the best at what you have. Make your job awesome! Own your abilities and view it as just another challenege to overcome. If a woman with no hands can function with her feets as if she had hands and raise two kids....then WE bards can adapt to some class tweaks.

With that said, I still don't see the need for a change. Can't say for sure as we don't even know what it is yet. Here's to hoping it won't be noticable and BRDs can still be viable DPS.

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

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Originally Posted by Mergadeth

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

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The Problem they have is that it takes up a DPS slot that can be filled by a DPS class that does more dmg which is all of them, even my SMN does more dmg than my BRD does. Also, they problably feel that unless the group needs Mage's Ballad BRD isn't viable job to take with them unless they have no other choice.

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Originally Posted by Mergadeth

Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

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My experiences?

Tanks and SCH don't care, WHM only like them for Ballad, all the other DPS (melee especially) compete with them and are often pushed aside for them. Unless you're in a static group, being a melee or SMN it can be hard to find a group to do anything because BRD are seen as godly DPS and have Ballad (BLM too, outside of WP speed runs, which then its all "LF BRD + BLM for WP SR"). I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Yes, I'm lucky to have people to run dungeons with now, and have WHM up (and soon WAR), but my time shouting was not fun. And there are tons of people out there that rely on PUGs to run dungeons.

No, I don't hate BRD just for being BRD, I mean, you really do need 1 for most 8-mans, but except for Turn 2 (for Silence) 2 BRD just isn't necessary; I'd rather have 2 melee (DRG), a BRD, and a SMN/BLM...heck, that's our 'normal' static (BLM/SMN depending on who wants to heal). However, I do dislike FoTM BRD who blame everyone else for their nerfs. Kinda like how I dislike a lot of PAL because they don't want to share tanking with WAR.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

My experiences?

Tanks and SCH don't care, WHM only like them for Ballad, all the other DPS (melee especially) compete with them and are often pushed aside for them. Unless you're in a static group, being a melee or SMN it can be hard to find a group to do anything because BRD are seen as godly DPS and have Ballad (BLM too, outside of WP speed runs, which then its all "LF BRD + BLM for WP SR"). I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Yes, I'm lucky to have people to run dungeons with now, and have WHM up (and soon WAR), but my time shouting was not fun. And there are tons of people out there that rely on PUGs to run dungeons.

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Disagree, most ppl i know, actually almost all ppl i know dont like to have more them 1 meele because they prefer a second blm or smn, since they hit for same dmg and tend to receive less dmg from mecannics, i know a lot of player who would love to have a good monk on their static, but go find a monk that can silence and mantein a dps... 1 each 50...

what does a drg bring more then dps to the party that a blm doesn't? meele limit break, sure, dps, no, more dps to bards..., now blm can bring virus and eye for an eye... so the the fact is, meele dps only bring the limit break that can't be replace for a smn or blm

Bard don't need nerf, Mdps need some suport skill to use and make it more needed.

Why can't we be friends ♫ Welp I know we always have DRG's or MNK's in party. Awesome LB ftw! My DPS pales in comparison to BLM and DRG tbh so we work best with a little bit of everything really.

i've got an awesome static group and FC so I hope whatever SE does, I can still help my raid party and members out like I do now. I'm not in this to be the best DPS or shove any other DPS out of the picture. I just want to help and actually be useful. I really do appreciate how difficult it is to play melee in this game. But not everyone will be happy and you have to roll with the punches I suppose.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

My experiences?
I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

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Groups want 2 bards for the silence. This is foolhardy in my opinion, but this patch won't change it unless there are changes to silence. Increasing the cooldown could cement their place as backup/emergency silence.

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Originally Posted by trinka

Groups want 2 bards for the silence. This is foolhardy in my opinion, but this patch won't change it unless there are changes to silence. Increasing the cooldown could cement their place as backup/emergency silence.

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This only happens on groups in with pld or monk doesn't silence well, one of the statics in my fc has a pld who i've never seen miss a single silence, this is 1 less bard.

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Originally Posted by NightWrath

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Why 2 DRG? No good MNK around. We have two really good DRG, and can't find any casters who are better and mesh well with us. Worse comes to worse, I go heal and one of them DPSs. And yes, melee overall needs to be buffed to further cement the risk vs reward mechanics; it is supposed to be addressed in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Why 2 DRG? No good MNK around. We have two really good DRG, and can't find any casters who are better and mesh well with us. Worse comes to worse, I go heal and one of them DPSs. And yes, melee overall needs to be buffed to further cement the risk vs reward mechanics; it is supposed to be addressed in 2.1.

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Didnt understand the snip, sorry

Good monk are rare, most give up from the difficult to do high dps and call the class trash.
Maybe be true caster cant make a dps like urs, i would chance a 2 drg for a caster with like -20dps to have more virus and eye for an eye, plus a better aoe, and that's the problem of the game.

If u see the fc that does all turn with one tank, u will see they don't use any meele dps, because they prefer to rotate for longer period of time dmg reductions.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I won't be surprised if they switch LNC for CNJ or ACN. More support, less damage

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More support? Are you guys thinking before write this kind of things? What are we going to cast? Protect? Or stoneskin? For sure will be stronger than the whm/sch one >_<

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Originally Posted by Resultsmayvary

A Dragoon on a dummy for sure, but a Bards mobility and ability to do damage in any situation overcompensated for the discrepancy. Dragoons also have a 27 press rotation so their DPS is a bit more earned, not to mention that melee should have some incentive for their increased difficulty and rigid requirements.

And the people who say that one class is OP are the people who want all classes to be viable. If one class is clearly superior to all others it crushes balance.

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I always run coil with a dragoon for the great damage that he have. Always parse more than 260 obviously he KNOW HOW TO USE THE CLASS.

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Originally Posted by Azurus

Lol bards crying that their DPS is getting nerfed when they should have been a support class to begin with :P ....Im all for them adding pure support classes in to this game, I would love for BRD to be more supporty, wait for Ranger if you want to be a super DPS. SE screwed bard up from the beginning.

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Hard to have a "support" class with 4 person dungeons.

I think it's a huge mistake to nerf BRD. MNK and BLM (with equivalent gear) should already be able to easily outclass BRD in terms of dps in any fight that isn't over in like 10 seconds. Which is fine, because they have a lot of unique utility they bring to the table, but they aren't so crazy overpowered as they need some kind of nerf.

I also think MNK and DRG are going to easily outclass BLM after they get buffed, and BLM will start to lag behind. Currently MNK and BLM are the heavy hitters, and MNK and BLM seem about equal (even with both having to move around in most fights of note).

Just seems like it's going to get messier before it gets cleaner at this rate. Good luck, SE.

Why do you care?

The reason BRDs get taken for Raids is Silence + Songs. Silence costs no TP and Songs cost MP, if anything they should covert Invigorate to an MP restoration.

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Originally Posted by Norbi

Yeah, because Army's Paeon doesn't drain our mana. And we don't need that mana anyway for Mage's Ballad in healing-intensive fights, or for Foe's Requiem during burn phases. And Army's Paeon doesn't also reduce our damage output by 20% or anything. Nope. Just infinite TP with no drawbacks at all.

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Also Paeon totally fills TP faster than we use it. Yup.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

I think it's a huge mistake to nerf BRD. MNK and BLM (with equivalent gear) should already be able to easily outclass BRD in terms of dps in any fight that isn't over in like 10 seconds. Which is fine, because they have a lot of unique utility they bring to the table, but they aren't so crazy overpowered as they need some kind of nerf.

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I too find it a mistake to nerf bard, but going to assume it means we will either loser pugilist or lancer cross tree, either of which is bad and we are not taken to dungeons because of our dps, we are taken for our support ability. Oh let us not forget to buff the highest dps class in the game monk, that was pretty dumb. Although going to assume in the future BLM will become the highest dps just because if you can get spell speed to a number that is so fast you either can move at the last moment to not interrupt or have spell speed so fast you can just mash buttons faster than it will become the highest no question.

I'd be happier to see them tweaking cross class abilities than messing with our mobility. The mobility is what sets us apart from other classes.

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Originally Posted by Majidah

They will probably remove blood from blood.

If they also remove internal release, I will be VERY PISSED OFF.

This is a VERY unfair nerf. BLM dmg is OP, yet BRD gets nerf batted? Nerf that we can move like crazy while shooting, but not our actual damage. This makes no sense and was produced by crybabies.

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I loled, bards can move and dps while BLM can't besides using Scathe and it's pathetic damage that's on the GCD.

Moving and shooting means nothing, once you get content down you don't need to move and shoot. If you do it is usually a very small fraction of the whole fight. Why do people keep bringing that up?

Seems like there would still be plenty of time to rage like this after finding out exactly what the adjustments are going to be. I know sometimes I stop and think "boy, I was going to be mad at that thing today, but I just don't have the time" so I do understand the desire to make sure you can fit being angry into your schedule. I just feel like SE understands how difficult it is for us to plan our fury so I'm sure they will give us more concrete information with plenty of time to spare so we can add "ire" onto our daily calendars without disrupting things too much.

Adjustments could mean anything from adding more cross skills to taking some out, it could be anything really. Stop making speculations, no one knows just yet.

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Originally Posted by NeonC

Moving and shooting means nothing, once you get content down you don't need to move and shoot. If you do it is usually a very small fraction of the whole fight. Why do people keep bringing that up?

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Titan.

Aaaaand....Titan...and that's it

weeeeell....gives you some time to play some songs I suppose! Healers will appreciate it!

Go La La La instead of Pew Pew Pew!

Don't see me playing bard much if they turn us into a glorified harp player. I am a dps, I want to stay dps so give us ranger and let the music players have at it. Don't destroy a class I love. Quit nerfing us, and ppl quit qq'ing about the unfairness of bard. Archer has been this way since alpha and only now you're whining about us. You had your chance during alpha and all the beta phases to qq about how unfair you have it compared to us. Just leave us alone and buff the classes that are busy crying a river. Atm, there is only one ranged choice for a bow class and that's bard, why mess with something that's been this way since alpha?

People need to stop over-reacting (or crying, if you prefer). Everyone knew Bards did too many things too well and a nerf was coming. It was meant to be a support-ish class in the first place.

On that note, Acn cross class skills fits their intended role perfectly (which doesn't make sense on Blm whatsoever), and I predict that's what they'll have now.

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Originally Posted by Mergadeth

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

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Plain old envy that we don't have to face a certain direction to do our thing, or can dps on the move which btw we've been able to do since alpha. Perhaps they suck so much they can't handle our job so they want us destroyed? Aww poor babies. Although I do agree, mnk is more directional based than I remember in 1.0. But really, I don't want to one day log in and see we are now cookie cutter with the other classes.

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Originally Posted by KHShadowrunner

I just wish they'd make them have to stand to use abilities. That's all. Keep everything as is, just remove the one thing that bard can do that no other job can efficiently do.

If I can do the entirety of Haukke Manor solo because I can kite and use abilities, you know something's off.

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hush you. In Tera, archer, sorcerer and warrior are very mobile and can dps while they do it so SE should learn from that and listen to us like they have in the past. Don't make the mistake of ruining a class that so many have chosen as their mains.

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

For heaven's sake i pray they do not make it CNJ instead of LNC or PGL because then it will be 1.0 all over again....
In 1.0 I was forced to level BLM because BRDs were the black sheep of dps BECAUSE they were seen as support/off healer just because they could equip healing spells. But what you need to realize is, BRDs do not have the MP to spare for off healing since our songs suck the life out of our mp as it is. Either the crybabies want our songs or they want support, they can't have both unless SE changes the songs from mp consuption to timed like 1.23. Also when I am playing on my DRG i can do as much dmg or more than my BRD can consistently so I have no idea why these players are complaining about BRD especially since for now this is a PvE game. Who seriously complains that a class/job is OP in a PvE game?

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Those who tend to suck at something tend to complain about how unfair it is.

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Originally Posted by Stanice

People need to stop over-reacting (or crying, if you prefer). Everyone knew Bards did too many things too well and a nerf was coming. It was meant to be a support-ish class in the first place.

On that note, Acn cross class skills fits their intended role perfectly (which doesn't make sense on Blm whatsoever), and I predict that's what they'll have now.

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You know nothing Jon Stanice.