WAR 2.1 Patch Notes

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

I think its so that Storm's Path and Storm's Eye can be used more freely, in addition to giving WAR the niche of "Snap Enmity" tank.

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We don't have damage problems while tanking (WARs already do more damage) so we can freely give up storm's eye for the bonus damage reduction provided by storm's path and still retain parity with a PLD tank.

I don't get the enmity increases at all. (nor the reduction in unchained cooldown)

The enmity increase is because you have to actually use SP now, which means less BB.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

We don't have damage problems while tanking (WARs already do more damage) so we can freely give up storm's eye for the bonus damage reduction provided by storm's path and still retain parity with a PLD tank.

I don't get the enmity increases at all. (nor the reduction in unchained cooldown)

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negligibly more damage yes, but paladin only have 1 combo to generate threat and reduce incoming damage not to mention fight or flight which is probably the best dps skill in the game (1/3 uptime, no drawback) so they are constantly generating more threat while taking less damage, but warrior has to weave miam combos in which would justify the enmity increase so they can SP -> SE -> BB without dps pulling too much aggro. Though you are probably right that the unchained CDR is not needed.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

We don't have damage problems while tanking (WARs already do more damage) so we can freely give up storm's eye for the bonus damage reduction provided by storm's path and still retain parity with a PLD tank.

I don't get the enmity increases at all. (nor the reduction in unchained cooldown)

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Its not about damage, its about enmity. An overall enmity increase will allow you to swap out doing a BB combo to do a SP combo without losing too much ground on enmity.

Also, I think someone else quoted me and said something along the lines of asking me what Snap Enmity I was referring to. Welp...if you create aggro at a faster rate than your competitors, your initial attacks should be able to "snap" aggro onto you, and then allow you to sustain a lead.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

You can cut about 6% off your GCD if you stack it on every piece you have.



The 30% likely applies multiplicatively. To get 100% uptime, you'd need to fit 9 GCDs in 6 seconds, which is a GCD time of 0.667 seconds. Assuming 100% uptime on Fey Light, that's 0.952 per GCD base, which is... let's see... something to the tune of 1889 skill speed. So yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

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No, you need a lot less. Storm's Path is going to last probably somewhere around 10 seconds. It'll be at least a 5% buff which puts the Warrior ahead of a Paladin for that duration. There's no reason to think that it would be multiplicative but regardless, you'd need 100-200 Skill Speed. Vmage is saying (I think) it's not a haste buff but a stat buff. I wouldn't be surprised if he's right, and that I should not have trusted Hiir's numbers. I asked Hiir Noivr how he got his GCD (~1.5) on his blog.

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Originally Posted by Altimis

So SE decide to make WAR have some DR huh?

but some skill looks stupid in my eyes

Vengeance - ALSO reduced damage taken by 30%

WAT!? Vengeance by it mean, its suppose to reflect damage or something counter attack back at foes. NOW its reduced 30% damage taken and what the point to reflect damage? Less damage taken, less reflecting damage.

Its sound contradictory

AND What about FORESIGHT? SE will not change anything of this? WAT? RALLY? 5% DR regardless 20% def up? you seriously not see its useless?

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What the hell are you even talking about?
Vengeance
Delivers an attack with a potency of 50 every time you suffer physical damage.
Duration: 15s
Grants Wrath when used with Defiance.
Duration: 30s

I'm pretty happy overall here although slightly disappointed there's zero mention of changes to Foresight and Bloodbath.

It's important to note that although IB now appears like an inferior Rampart due to the 6 second duration, its an on demand mitigation button now. I think the idea is that we're free to use Infuriate on several different tools depending on the situation dynamics rather than sit on it. Need to wrangle mobs up? Steel Cyclone. Anticipating a Mountain Buster to the face? IB. Need/want to push a bit more damage because there's nothing else to spend on? Unchained.

Homgang is an incredibly welcomed change personally. Its an oh sh*t button and provides more useful utility if the survival isn't needed.

I get the feeling Storm's Path will render Storm's Eye mostly obsolete which is a shame. Two combo rotations is slightly clunky. Three doesn't seem functionally sound due to Eye's debuff duration.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Yea it seems like the could have adjusted Foresight but maybe not since it's a cross-class skill?

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I'm thinking that's the case. Almost all of the changes listed are MRD/WAR-exclusive abilities.

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Originally Posted by Coramac

No, you need a lot less.

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Storm's Path has nothing to do with this. It's an enemy damage debuff to compare to PLD's Rage of Halone debuff. If you want to compare total mitigation, then I'm going to have to start with that ~12% base advantage that PLD has without any abilities at all, just from blocking and Shield Oath over Defiance (post-buff).

From Doctor Mog's sheet in p3, skill speed reductions with Greased Lighting are multiplicative with skill speed bonuses. It is unlikely that Fey Light behaves differently. You get 0.01 GCD reduction per 10.5 points on average (10/11 alternating) starting with -0.01 at 342. Getting 1.5s GCD with WAR is totally impossible; you would need 712 skill speed. MNK stack 491 just to get to 2.00 at 3 GL stacks.

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Originally Posted by Ehayte

Its not about damage, its about enmity. An overall enmity increase will allow you to swap out doing a BB combo to do a SP combo without losing too much ground on enmity.

Also, I think someone else quoted me and said something along the lines of asking me what Snap Enmity I was referring to. Welp...if you create aggro at a faster rate than your competitors, your initial attacks should be able to "snap" aggro onto you, and then allow you to sustain a lead.

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but is that really necessary? WAR wasn't having threat issues before, either. If you don't have to choose between SP, SE and lower enmity that seems like a little much.

Time to convert to Pure STR.
Finally Storm Path will be useful.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Storm's Path has nothing to do with this. It's an enemy damage debuff to compare to PLD's Rage of Halone debuff. If you want to compare total mitigation, then I'm going to have to start with that ~12% base advantage that PLD has without any abilities at all, just from blocking and Shield Oath over Defiance (post-buff). From Doctor Mog's sheet in p3, skill speed reductions with Greased Lighting are multiplicative with skill speed bonuses. It is unlikely that Fey Light behaves differently. You get 0.01 GCD reduction per 10.5 points on average (10/11 alternating) starting with -0.01 at 342. Getting 1.5s GCD with WAR is totally impossible; you would need 712 skill speed. MNK stack 491 just to get to 2.00 at 3 GL stacks.

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Blocking is an probability mechanic. You only bother with it for looking at long term efficiency or at high rates for burst damage probability.

Additionally, I'm pretty confident his spread sheet is wrong. He made the same careless error I made (or at least would be amazed to find out I hadn't) in prior post so I don't think he tested but rather assumed. He's multiplying by .85 for Greased Lightning where he should divide by 1.15. Listening to his video, it didn't sound like he tested this. I suppose it's correct, but that would be a huge anomaly for an MMO.

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Originally Posted by Coramac

Additionally, I'm pretty confident his spread sheet is wrong. He made the same careless error I made (or at least would be amazed to find out I hadn't) in prior post so I don't think he tested but rather assumed. He's multiplying by .85 for Greased Lightning where he should divide by 1.15. Listening to his video, it didn't sound like he tested this. I suppose it's correct, but that would be a huge anomaly for an MMO.

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Fortunate for us, GCD values are displayed by the UI. This will be easy to test.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Fortunate for us, GCD values are displayed by the UI. This will be easy to test.

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Yea, it should be easy to test. I don't have a character who can test it though. A naked monk with 2.5 spd GCD should go to 2.13 or 2.12 at 3 Greased Lightning if it it's a straight reduction. It'd be 2.17 or 2.18 if it works the standard way. I'd be surprised if it didn't work the standard haste way, but there's a lot of weird mechanisms in this game.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

Time to convert to Pure STR.
Finally Storm Path will be useful.

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Storm's Path will be useful for the damage reduction mechanic. The miserable heal amount isn't getting buffed at all.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

From Doctor Mog's sheet in p3, skill speed reductions with Greased Lighting are multiplicative with skill speed bonuses. It is unlikely that Fey Light behaves differently. You get 0.01 GCD reduction per 10.5 points on average (10/11 alternating) starting with -0.01 at 342. Getting 1.5s GCD with WAR is totally impossible; you would need 712 skill speed. MNK stack 491 just to get to 2.00 at 3 GL stacks.

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the fairy buff lowers my global from 2.44 to 2.33

i have no idea what number it could possibly be multiplying by 30% to make that happen... what seems to be going on is that it's tripling your current gcd reduction from gear (best guess)

greased lightning actually does what it says it does, reduces your global by 5% per stack (although it uses your global after gear is taken into account.. meaning it scales inversely with skillspeed)

tldr - fairy buff is way way way worse than advertised. (in my case .11/2.44 is like 4.5%)

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Storm's Path will be useful for the damage reduction mechanic. The miserable heal amount isn't getting buffed at all.

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Im not going full STR for self heals, lol @ the thought. Storm Paths self heal will always be garbage.
Going full str, because WAR's mitigation is going to raise to the point that the VIT wont be as necessary.
Figure it like this. WARs with the right gear, can complete all content with full vit. They're defenses are getting buffed, meaning they don't need as much Vitality to complete the same content once buffed.
Tldr; If you aren't going to die, then kill quicker. Nom sayan

I am trying to understand the threat bonuses. I use my War in WP/AK because threat is so much easier with War. I use Pld when I need to survive/stun. Maybe so the combos that don't produce high threat are easier to use?

This are some really good changes and will really help the squishyness of War while not making it faceroll.

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Originally Posted by Hundred

Im not going full STR for self heals, lol @ the thought.
Going full str, because WAR's mitigation is going to raise to the point that the VIT wont be necessary.

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War HP is already so high that it is hard to justify putting points into Vit. With these changes that just enforces it more.

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Originally Posted by Vmage

the fairy buff lowers my global from 2.44 to 2.33

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Oh my, that's... pretty broken, haha. I can't imagine they would want it based on bonus only, but you are right that the numbers do suggest that it's tripling an existing bonus. I can fiddle with the magic version and see.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

War HP is already so high that it is hard to justify putting points into Vit. With these changes that just enforces it more.

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WAR and PLD have identical eHP, and that isn't changing.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

WAR and PLD have identical eHP, and that isn't changing.

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I believe it was decided earlier that PLD still have slightly more healing (25% healing received +), even if identical eHP

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Originally Posted by Vmage

the fairy buff lowers my global from 2.44 to 2.33

i have no idea what number it could possibly be multiplying by 30% to make that happen...

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Your skill speed, which has a base value of 341.