Player housing So very disappointed

I'm not usually a fan of housing in MMOs, always seems a bit of a waste, but Yoshi mentioned there'll be mannequins that you can put in your house and display gear on. I'm somewhat addicted to collecting gear, and the idea of being able to have multiple mannequins to display it all is worth getting a house for me. The fact that personal housing is still at least half a year away is also nice, since then I'll have plenty time to actually get the gil for it (and maybe level some crafts so I can make my own mannequins and what not ;))

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

Could I ask where you saw that? I don't remember reading anything about having to be in a FC for personal housing.

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uhm.. in the dev thing they posted a few days ago but I only read the german version so like I said it might have just been a mistranslation :P

edit: yeh was probably just a little confusion on my part since the statement about personal housing is mixed into the stuff about housing in general. -.-

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Originally Posted by amnie

uhm.. in the dev thing they posted a few days ago but I only read the german version so like I said it might have just been a mistranslation :P

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Oh okay. Was it the Q&A? I read through the entire thing, and I don't think it says anything about having to be in a FC for personal housing. I certainly hope that's not the case, as that would be a bit silly. However, I doubt that would be the case. Here is what I read: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...IX-Q-A-Updates

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

player houseing is said to come out 6month once the 2.1 is release it could come later or sooner just have to wait and see. Also if the only reason you paying a game is to have a house then i think you playing the wrong game HAHAHA YOU LOSER.

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No, it's not the only reason Zenaku. But it was something to keep me from being bored of the game. And I'm not sure if I can stay invested till June.

As a person who is interested in culture-clashes I think this thread demonstrates something fascinating about Western Individualism v. Eastern Social/Groupism. This game is developed in Japan and has an equally large, if not larger, Japanese gamer base. The American dream of owning your own land and your own home within your lifetime within any line of work is a pretty new phenomenon.

Consider the fact that we're immigrants to Eorzea, adventurers from another land, without respectable careers, peddling our wares on markets and killing monsters. We're not landed elite. We're not an established mercantile class. Guess who were the first to get a shot at owning property during feudal city-state times? Merchant's Guilds and Sworn Lords and their corresponding Knights. Guess what they collected? Dues and Taxes. Guess who stayed peasants living in shacks or on the land they worked. Everyone else that wasn't military nobility or mercantile.

You get your inn as quarters due to your membership in the adventurer's guild. You need GC alliance to even be qualified for the right to own land, like any feudal system. Those who invested in their "dull" crafting and gathering professions have lined pockets, whilst adventurers have shiny armor that amounts to plenty on the field, but little on the markets.

This is a realistic portrayal of what it is like to be a second class citizen of an unstable nation. I apologize on behalf of SE that Final Fantasy XIV has made you face those realities. You must choose your battles, you cannot have it all immediately, you are not entitled to it all immediately. Be wise, be diligent, and be realistic. This is the reward the hardcore players wanted. Something to show for their above and beyond efforts.

This is an MMORPG. A simulation of what it would be like to live in a fantasy society. Individuals have seldom accomplished much without teamwork, or standing on the shoulders of giants. Welcome to Eorzea.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

No, it's not the only reason Zenaku. But it was something to keep me from being bored of the game. And I'm not sure if I can stay invested till June.

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Apparently editing people quotes is keeping you occupied for now. Luckily there should be plenty of quotes to alter in the future.

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

That is a good question. As it stands, I suppose there would just be an empty house in the neighborhood. Would probably just stay there until someone contacted support, and a GM verified that ALL FC members are inactive. Then maybe they'd do something about it. I guess we'll find out. I doubt SE would do anything as long as there were active members though.

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A monthly/weekly fee would be annoying. But it would keep the number of instances down, and would be automated requiring less GM involvement. Maybe they expect everything to even out when individual housing is introduced. It's their game, I suppose they can do what makes sense to them.

Thanks for the clarification though. I read through the QA but forgot about that part when they mentioned no fees.

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Originally Posted by Liger

I think housing price is bad news specially for crafters. It is really difficult to sell anything at good prices these days. To me it seems people are trying to save money for housing. The only way to make good money these days is by either selling items you buy using tomes or by selling materia. I am really very woried if I will ever own a house ><.

This game is becoming a souce of stress to me ><.

I think I need a break ^^;

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If you are getting stressed over this, then you really need more problems in your life because it is absurd to get stressed over such a trivial, non-essential part of the game.

Besides that, you're wrong. This is the best news for crafters, because it means they're finally important for something other than materia. Every crafter should be happy about this, not stressed.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Wait, that's not coming at all?
...Maybe I should rethink my subscription for the next round of payment.

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Are you friggin' kidding me?
I'm with you, this is BS. I only wanted to do another sub because of Housing....Jesus Christ. Gave me something to do.
Was this game really ready for release if they push back everything?
Yes, I'm mad lol. Oh well....I dunno if we all help hands and stuff for the FC housing. I think they should of
gave Single housing then expanded to FC housing which was a really nice large home.
:/ Game needs variety and waiting 50043209423 days is no fun. So I guessing Single housing
is to come in 2.2 / 2.3?

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

i repeat myself: it's not yesterday news. If you had the idea personal housing would come first, you where wrong on your end.
As many other stated in the rest of the topic, like it or not, there are a lot of good reasons to not have personal housing before for the time being. Duty finder crashes the first week, and server congestion until last week should mean something i think.
Personal housing it's not canceled, it's still coming. If you think the game is still too young, don't resub and wait until you are better full of things.

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Yeah because I'm not fancy in fighting 50 different difficulties of Primal's till then.
People may think it's a waste but the social aspect and just the lil side things can come a long way.
Have folk visit your home and such and just chill and relax away from retard RMT's. All crafts have a play in it too I think...Just disappointing.
-Sigh-

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Are you friggin' kidding me?
I'm with you, this is BS. I only wanted to do another sub because of Housing....Jesus Christ. Gave me something to do.
Was this game really ready for release if they push back everything?
Yes, I'm mad lol. Oh well....I dunno if we all help hands and stuff for the FC housing. I think they should of
gave Single housing then expanded to FC housing which was a really nice large home.
:/ Game needs variety and waiting 50043209423 days is no fun. So I guessing Single housing
is to come in 2.2 / 2.3?

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i repeat myself: it's not yesterday news. If you had the idea personal housing would come first, you where wrong on your end.
As many other stated in the rest of the topic, like it or not, there are a lot of good reasons to not have personal housing before for the time being. Duty finder crashes the first week, and server congestion until last week should mean something i think.
Personal housing it's not canceled, it's still coming. If you think the game is still too young, don't resub and wait until you are better full of things.

Personal housing should occur before Free Company Housing. The phases should just simply be:

1) Implement Personal housing.
2) Implement Free Company "Estate" in which Personal housing is situated as part of it.

ppl always got to whine about something dont ya... give us housing ... omg wtf u give us housing but its not right cry more ppl

I agree that private housing should have come first yeah. Price should be steep either way imo though.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

...There is NO reason for them to be restricting housing to FCs only at the moment. There is no difference in functionality or implementation. It's a stupid move and it makes no sense.

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As a software developer I have to point out that your are terribly incorrect here. By the very nature of it. In one instance you have FC housing that has an interface connected to the free company. In the other you have an interface attached to the player. Both are different since both have different requirements. On this simple point alone you have a different implementation and separate functionality. This analysis didn't even have to go very deep into the actual code to show that. Under the hood there is very likely a similar, but still very different system in place. You need to gain a little more appreciation for the complications in developing highly interactive server-client systems like this.

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Originally Posted by Chiren

Personal housing should occur before Free Company Housing. The phases should just simply be:

1) Implement Personal housing.
2) Implement Free Company "Estate" in which Personal housing is situated as part of it.

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Put into personal housing now, at price at 850k. This would encourage people to buy gils from RMT, agree or not. This is the reality. Put personal housing later in the game, when every player accumuclate enough welath. Unlikely to encourage people buying gils from RMT. Smarter decision to me.

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Originally Posted by jebali

It will come at a "later" update and with updates running 3 months apart yea its going to be a LOOOOOOOONG time , he said I cant find the translation but it would be 6 months past the 2.1 for players

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Correction: 4 months. The extra month is very important.

Half a year? T.T Why did I make all that gil for then.... xD

Guess my FC is lucky then xD

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Originally Posted by Avalon_Albrook

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you pretty much just summed up every hate/whine thread in every mmo for the past 8 or so years.

its 4 months for each update I thought it was 3. Still not happy with 6 months till housing is aval for non fc's. 6 months in gaming time a very long time, to be honest who can say for sure if they will still be here in 6 months. A lot of life can happen in that amount of time. Or I may just get bored and play something else guess I will see in 6 months.

Who cares, housing might interest most people for about...5 minutes. Then it's back to standing bored around Ogrimma.....er the Mor Dhona way point crystal as per usual.

A little disappointing to me, but it's not surprising. I figured there would be some sort of catch to be honest.

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Originally Posted by LoLo

in FFXI everyone had a mog house but it was just a single room and there wasn't much really you could do with furniture but get slight bonuses with them. In FFXIV you get a whole house and you can interact with some of the stuff and it will be worth it to have a house. So I understand why having a individual house will come later and not as soon as 2.1 is released.

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I think the problem people have with this situation is because of the fact in XI we had a mog house, people figured SE would logically carry over that into XIV then further expand upon it. Believe it or not many loved decorating the heck out of their MH and would have killed to have a "full sized" MH to call their own (or with a significant other.)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I think the problem people have with this situation is because of the fact in XI we had a mog house, people figured SE would logically carry over that into XIV then further expand upon it. Believe it or not many loved decorating the heck out of their MH and would have killed to have a "full sized" MH to call their own (or with a significant other.)

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I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Isn't that exactly what SE is doing? Just not in 2.1.

I knew we were getting FC housing first, so that doesn't surprise me. That said, 6 months after!? Is that confirmed, or you guys just taking guesses?
If that really is the case, I'm extremely dissapointed. :( Between this, and no vanity slots for a long while, I regret paying 6 months up front lol.

Inb4 someone tells me those are silly things to care about. They are not just silly things to me. Those are two of the features I want most in this game, of all the live letters I would watch those were the two largest selling points to me. Not having them for such a lengthy amount of time negatively impacts the enjoyment I have while playing.

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Originally Posted by Avalon_Albrook

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Some people act like SE can just wave a wand and all content will be added instantly. Too funny.

All this "I'm disappointed" because it will come later?

There is a good solution, do a FC on your own and the house is yours alone.
No need to wait for individual housing.

why is everyone so upset?

simply put the lack of anything that resembles end game CONTENT (not a few dungeons to repeatedly beat for bobbles) means that housing one of the most awaited for features of this game becomes the "Raison d'etre" for many players who don't want to do nothing but grind the last few dungeons as well as the players who have already gathered everything from those dungeons. also the players who have advanced crafting to the 2 star level who have pretty much realized how useless crafting currently is want something to do with their crafts beyond make a few materia items (housing is in fact the real crafting endgame which should have existed at launch not 9 months after launch)


do FC alone? hmm guess you can ask 3 people to sign for an FC but how will you level an empty FC?


market effects of housing? since the markets are near pointless unless you are selling the half a dozen items with any value (tomb bought will soon be just as cheap as gathered items) the housing will be the only items with any value at all.

We all need to take into consideration of how much is involved in personal player housing. FC housing is already going to cause a huge amount of chaos and that is going to be a house between several people.

They need to calculate the market affects of adding player housing.

Not only that, they need to make sure that player housing and everything involved in and around it is working properly.

Also one item can cause a glitch in the game, bringing the entire game down. We have to keep in mind that things are not linear here. It is like a spider web. You cut or break a string in the web and you can do a lot of damage. If they released it in 2.1 and it was causing poor game play, you would be right back here making threads about how poorly designed player housing was or how it is severely crippling the game play.

Just be patient. Before you know it, player housing will be here. FC housing is almost here and it wasn't even at launch and yet we made it this far.

I think several people here need to take a deep breath, unsubsrcibe for a little bit and maybe come back to the game later. People are really getting bent out of shape for something they were already told would be coming later and that is still in development.

It's cute you think you're the developer that gets to decide what content should be released first and when. But you are not. You are the customer. And contrary to the horribly false "The Customer is Always Right" statement, very few of you actually knows what would be best for the game.

If this is causing you so much anxiety and you don't know if you can "be entertained" or "not get bored", then leave. Seriously, take a break. If you're not having fun then why are you even here?

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Originally Posted by Swishytail

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I think several people here need to take a deep breath, unsubsrcibe for a little bit and maybe come back to the game later. People are really getting bent out of shape for something they were already told would be coming later and that is still in development.

It's cute you think you're the developer that gets to decide what content should be released first and when. But you are not. You are the customer. And contrary to the horribly false "The Customer is Always Right" statement, very few of you actually knows what would be best for the game.

If this is causing you so much anxiety and you don't know if you can "be entertained" or "not get bored", then leave. Seriously, take a break. If you're not having fun then why are you even here?

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Yes, but you know what when the customers leave because they lack interest, the developer has no capital to develop a game. If all of us were to leave as you suggested because we are not going to agree on what is being said by the game staff... the game would be empty.

Oh and before you say vocal minority... typically it is estimated for every telephone call (or post) a person makes on a topic, ten people are thinking the same thing. Yes most people leave the game silently or don't voice their displeasure. So many voicing it means there is a lot of people not pleased with this game.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I think several people here need to take a deep breath, unsubsrcibe for a little bit and maybe come back to the game later. People are really getting bent out of shape for something they were already told would be coming later and that is still in development.

It's cute you think you're the developer that gets to decide what content should be released first and when. But you are not. You are the customer. And contrary to the horribly false "The Customer is Always Right" statement, very few of you actually knows what would be best for the game.

If this is causing you so much anxiety and you don't know if you can "be entertained" or "not get bored", then leave. Seriously, take a break. If you're not having fun then why are you even here?

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like not logging in for more than 2 hrs over the last two weeks because the game has no draw to do so? I paid for 6 months and by the look of it those 6 months will be over before they even get around to adding anything that might be fun to pursue currently the game has nothing post 50 worth even logging in for gathering is pointless, crafting is pointless, DOW/DOM are boring grinds without a story so exactly WTF do you expect people to say "EWW Look How great the game is!"?

ITT. OP complains about something people who've kept up with the Live Letters have known about for a long time now.

Here's your ticket to slowville, oh it seems you've just arrived.

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Originally Posted by Aleksandr

Yes, but you know what when the customers leave because they lack interest, the developer has no capital to develop a game. If all of us were to leave as you suggested because we are not going to agree on what is being said by the game staff... the game would be empty.

Oh and before you say vocal minority... typically it is estimated for every telephone call (or post) a person makes on a topic, ten people are thinking the same thing. Yes most people leave the game silently or don't voice their displeasure. So many voicing it means there is a lot of people not pleased with this game.

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While it's nice to think that our individual subscriptions are so important that a handful of people leaving would somehow cause a noticeable decline in profits or that the departure of the same people would make the servers a ghost town, the numbers required to do either of those things is unrealistic as there also seem to be enough people who do enjoy the game and have fun beyond Endgame to make it a non-issue.

"Typically it is estimated..." ...right.

Vocal Minority.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

...gathering is pointless, crafting is pointless, DOW/DOM are boring grinds without a story so exactly WTF do you expect people to say "EWW Look How great the game is!"?

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Just because you personally do not enjoy certain content does not mean there is not content that people can enjoy. Again, if you are not enjoying yourself, please take a break until they release content you will enjoy. Complaining that it isn't coming fast enough is just childish.

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Originally Posted by CatofNineTails

like not logging in for more than 2 hrs over the last two weeks because the game has no draw to do so? I paid for 6 months and by the look of it those 6 months will be over before they even get around to adding anything that might be fun to pursue currently the game has nothing post 50 worth even logging in for gathering is pointless, crafting is pointless, DOW/DOM are boring grinds without a story so exactly WTF do you expect people to say "EWW Look How great the game is!"?

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So MAAAAAAAD....too funny. LOL

OP and his thread:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UIvP7U37CD...00/crybaby.jpg

If you (the small minority) feel that the state of the game is unacceptable then simply stop subscribing. This whole thread is moot because SE already stated player housing and additional content to be released in coming patches. In my history of MMORPGs (both as a customer and employee for a producer of very large title I will not name) I have never seen a single launch where all of the game content was included / there were not game-breaking bugs.

To complain about something as inconsequential as player housing in a game (something almost purely aesthetic), to the extent that you would cancel your subscription is just mind boggling. I can understand the latency issues, end-game boss bugs, and other client/server related issues such as warping could be extremely detrimental. However, to threaten to quit over lack of housing and robust content after only a few months on the market demonstrates a naive, ignorant, overly-high standard for a newly launched MMORPG.

If you are that hard to please, then please, don't let the door hit you on the way out. There will be millions to come after you. You are not special. You are not required to operate the business, you are a tiny fraction of a percent of players.

Wondering if my bf and I would be able to rank up a FC if we made one together in order to have the FC housing option coming up in December. Does anyone know if this is possible with the two of us?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

because of the fact in XI we had a mog house,

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did you read all of what I said or did you skim it?

Housing is different from a mog house. A mog house is a simple four walled room, a square. With no outside graphics or interactive things. Its VERY basic. Also the furniture you can get in FFXI didn't do anything but sit and look pretty and might give you a small bonus that didn't mean anything,

Housing in FFXIV is more robus with a better user interface. It will have outdoor gardening, items will be interactive. You can change your roof, walls, almost everything and you get three different sizes. You will have both a outside and a inside to manage. You will also have different floors and will be able to change alot of the look of it from wallpaper to flooring. Expecting everyone out the gate to be handed is is unrealistic and should cost money and time to get.

Housing in FFXIV looks like the sims tbh.

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Originally Posted by Sayura_

Wondering if my bf and I would be able to rank up a FC if we made one together in order to have the FC housing option coming up in December. Does anyone know if this is possible with the two of us?

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Yes it is possible. My sibling and cousin 3 manned our FC to rank 5 with plenty of xp to use on buffs and etc daily. May take a little longer then most but it is doable.