Healers who rescue pull tanks into mobs.

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Originally Posted by TyrTry

Whateeeeeeeever you say.

I'd still suggest taking the advice of either picking up a healer or finding a teammate who plays healer, so then maybe those made up statistics in your head will slightly be better.

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lol, well maybe they can add an ability that lets the tank 1 hit kill random party members they don't like. Then when tanks obviously start behaving like punks with an ability that basically exists to troll people, I can suggest you simply avoid PuGs. ;)

Don't get me wrong, I know Rescue isn't going to change. It's not like the ability hasn't been around forever and everyone isn't painfully aware of what it can do. That's why I'm simply brainstorming ways to let the healer die without getting the entire group killed.

I don’t have rescue on my bars as a healer, and single pulls don’t bother me, but that being said, if the healer is making you pull, then you probably can pull more and be fine. It’s a tanks role to pull and hold aggro, they have more than enough defensive CDs to handle two or more packs. If you only pull one pack at a time, you don’t even need to use your defensive CDs, which are like 1/3 of all your buttons as a tank. That’s like a DPS who only uses half of their rotation, or a healer that doesn’t DPS when everyone is at full HP and safe.

You’re only partly doing your role, so you are probably making the healer (who generally plays healer to you know, heal, and not spam holy/gravity/Art of War the entire time, which is what happens with single pulls) a bit mad, thus the rescue pulling.

Edit: After reading this thread, I am going to add rescue to my bars ;)

It's a pretty useful skill. I'd rather not see it removed just because some players abuse the skill's function. It's especially great in PvP.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

I don’t have rescue on my bars as a healer, and single pulls don’t bother me, but that being said, if the healer is making you pull, then you probably can pull more and be fine. It’s a tanks role to pull and hold aggro, they have more than enough defensive CDs to handle two or more packs. If you only pull one pack at a time, you don’t even need to use your defensive CDs, which are like 1/3 of all your buttons as a tank. That’s like a DPS who only uses half of their rotation, or a healer that doesn’t DPS when everyone is at full HP and safe.

You’re only partly doing your role.

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Assuming a healer can handle a wall to wall pull is a gambit. I've gone literally 15-20 seconds without receiving a single heal on a wall to wall; if I wasn't severely overgeared I'd be dead. Healer should state exactly what they can handle at the beginning of the run if they have specific expectations. Otherwise the tank sets the pace, period.

That's all beside the point, though. Rescue shouldn't exist as it does.

If you are being Rescued, and you ask the healer to stop, and they continue, you can actually file that under harassment. Players have received infractions for inappropriate use of Rescue before, which also includes intentionally getting others killed with it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not like the ability hasn't been around forever and everyone isn't painfully aware of what it can do. That's why I'm simply brainstorming ways to let the healer die without getting the entire group killed.

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That's a real mature mindset right there.

"Rescue is mostly used by trolls! We should get rid of it or help me come up with way to PUNISH that healer!"

Nevermind my previous advice. I've got a new one: grow up.

Learn to speak up, put in a vote kick, or simply leave the dungeon. You've got options; you might want to utilize them.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Assuming a healer can handle a wall to wall pull is a gambit. I've gone literally 15-20 seconds without receiving a single heal on a wall to wall; if I wasn't severely overgeared I'd be dead. Healer should state exactly what they can handle at the beginning of the run if they have specific expectations. Otherwise the tank sets the pace, period.

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What you do as tank, is say at the start of the dungeon “I’m going to do large pulls” and then go ahead and do it. If you die, then you adjust the speed. While leveling the four tanks to 80 in dungeons, I didn’t have any complaints when I did this, and I didn’t get yanked around by healers.
Rescue can be a pretty useful skill though, I have had healers yank me out of areas that would have killed me, and those healers get my coms for it.

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Originally Posted by TyrTry

That's a real mature mindset right there.

"Rescue is mostly used by trolls! We should get rid of it or help me come up with way to PUNISH that healer!"

Nevermind my previous advice. I've got a new one: grow up.

Learn to speak up, put in a vote kick, or simply leave the dungeon. You've got options; you might want to utilize them.

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The developers can only do so much to control harassment in chat, but the game doesn't need abilities designed specifically to allow harassment. "Hey, you can just abandon and sit through another queue" is a super awesome option and everything, but it's not a great reason to avoid addressing abilities that actively promote harassment.

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Originally Posted by NessaWyvern

What you do as tank, is say at the start of the dungeon “I’m going to do large pulls” and then go ahead and do it. If you die, then you adjust the speed. While leveling the four tanks to 80 in dungeons, I didn’t have any complaints when I did this, and I didn’t get yanked around by healers.
Rescue can be a pretty useful skill though, I have had healers yank me out of areas that would have killed me, and those healers get my coms for it.

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So, you say you're going to large pull, do it, then die to start off every run. Sounds like fun.

If I'm barely ilvl appropriate for the dungeon and not familiar with it I'm probably going to pull small. Tank sets the pace; that's just how it is. If the healer doesn't like the pace he can speak up, and if he asks for big pulls he'd better not suck.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

The developers can only do so much to control harassment in chat, but the game doesn't need abilities designed specifically to allow harassment. "Hey, you can just abandon and sit through another queue" is a super awesome option and everything, but it's not a great reason to avoid addressing abilities that actively promote harassment.

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I think you need reread the skill description because "promoting harassment " is not in its text.

We might as well state that shirk "promotes harassment" or any other [insert skill here]. You're going down an awfully slippery slope here.

And if you play tank, I think you'll live sitting through another que.