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03-13-2023, 04:40 AM
Sheriyana

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I don't care what you "consider your own". The fact is it isn't yours. Never has nor will be. If SE decided to delete my account this minute would I be upset? Ofc, but it's their right to do so because ultimately they own it. Again that's the fact of the matter.

I'm confused what even is your point here? Don't care about housing or anything because you don't legally own any of it? You're literally just arguing semantics here. Of course the threat of having your house taken from you will keep people subbed. Maybe not everyone cares enough but the fact is that on most servers it's incredibly difficult to get a house so losing the house you worked for can be devastating.
03-13-2023, 04:42 AM
Byron-Blackfyre

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

FF11 was made in 2002 and it's still around. Sure, one day in the future FF14 might have its servers shut down. that's always a possibility. however, how plausible is that currently? chances are it'll be around for at least another 10 + years. there are many MMOs in maintenance mode.
03-13-2023, 04:45 AM
IkaraGreydancer

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Originally Posted by R041

Because you just straight up lack any empathy. You joined a big FC, you didn't build it up and put effort into raising funds, buying the house, sitting at the placard clicking, or the lottery. Did you even craft and deco for the house? What do you do that you find joy in, so that I can hypothetically stop that joy and make you feel some sort of empathy.

Before the new server opened up, housing was even worse, people couldn't even get a Med-Large unless they were grandfathered in from like 4-5 years ago. You just don't comprehend the difficulty and stress individuals and whole FCs have gone through to find a place of their own in a social game.

Yes, it's just a video game - Yes we're all arguing on an anime girl forum. But unfortunately I've put 10 years of my life into this anime girl game, and I feel somewhat attached to the things I've worked for and have built up.

It's okay though, nothing I say can make you understand - Because you just lack that ability and experience. So I guess it's just completely incomprehensible to you.

Once more...empathy doesn't forgo facts. I can be empathic yet still acknowledge the fact of the matter. That's what YOU aren't getting. I get wanting to keep a home you worked on but me saying you aren't forced to do anything doesn't all of a sudden make me someone who lacks empathy. Per the definition of force it literally doesn't apply here. Also I love the assumptions you're making. I don't join big fcs. I don't care for meat farms. Next how tf do you know I don't raise funds? I give money anytime our fc needs stuff. (Mostly being airship mats). I don't craft at all but I'll go gather or buy mats for my fc. House was decorated a year before I got to my current fc. Nothing you say will take my fun out of doing anything. You're a random in a site full of randoms, myself included lol

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.
03-13-2023, 04:45 AM
CStrife912

Me and my mate own a large plot in ishgard because we barely spent our gil from out crafting sprees and just clubbed together for a shot. We won it and I very much to keep it but I let my sub run and log in to just access the house. I pay for the entry sub which is less than one trip to Mcdonalds...and for me that is a drop in the pond and I am only above the national average wage. Im not saying other people aren't reasonable with their money or that they should have this placed on them but the sub-fee isn't that big of a contention point for me.
03-13-2023, 04:52 AM
R041

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool
And instead of your partner, it's also your FC.

Now also imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in. (While the game servers are still running. Dumb hypotheticals about the servers shutting down for good are dumb.)
03-13-2023, 04:57 AM
IkaraGreydancer

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Originally Posted by R041

I really don't see what point you're trying to make is. Yes we can all lose everything today. Yes an earthquake could destroy my real house. Yes my bank could collapse. Yes my stock could collapse. Yes I could lose my job. Yes Hulu and Netflix could explode and we could be doomed to Cable again. (I have actually had the center of our house foundation collapse due to a previous owner digging under it. I've never been more upset in my entire life.)

I'd still be pretty salty about those things. Regardless if it's physical or digital. I did work for them. I do enjoy them.

I don't care if you don't enjoy what I enjoy, and don't find value in what I find value in. At least I have some empathy in what other people work toward and hold dear.

This doesn't really have anything to do with their ability to delete my shit.

So you do understand, and still lack empathy for others. See how salty you got? lool

Now imagine I just deleted it right after you put all of that effort in.

You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...
Wake up to reality, it'll do you some good
03-13-2023, 04:59 AM
Byron-Blackfyre

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Once more...empathy doesn't forgo facts. I can be empathic yet still acknowledge the fact of the matter. That's what YOU aren't getting. I get wanting to keep a home you worked on but me saying you aren't forced to do anything doesn't all of a sudden make me someone who lacks empathy. Per the definition of force it literally doesn't apply here. Also I love the assumptions you're making. I don't join big fcs. I don't care for meat farms. Next how tf do you know I don't raise funds? I give money anytime our fc needs stuff. (Mostly being airship mats). I don't craft at all but I'll go gather or buy mats for my fc. House was decorated a year before I got to my current fc. Nothing you say will take my fun out of doing anything. You're a random in a site full of randoms, myself included lol

Don't tell me I don't comprehend the stress of getting a house. You weren't around when I was staying up days at a time clicking placards trying to get a home. You weren't around for when I had health complications from doing that very thing. Skipping meals and putting off bathroom visits because "those few minutes might make me miss the right time". Staying up days at a time across weeks just for someone to come in and relocate making all that time pointless. Feeling like I failed my partner multiple times because I couldn't get us a home. Eventually it payed off but id never EVER put myself through that again. Don't you fucking tell me that I don't get it! You don't know me! Get tf off my case with your baseless assumptions, thank you VERY much.

the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.
03-13-2023, 05:00 AM
R041

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

You're just a petty troll. That much is clear just from that response. Grow tf up for your sake...

I'm not a troll, but I can be petty. Because you just want to win for some reason. Meanwhile I'm trying to get you to comprehend other people's feelings. So you understand these things are difficult, yet fail to grasp the frustration of others.

You understand that it's difficult, you understand that you can't let your sub lapse after that difficulty. Yet tell other people they shouldn't worry and they should just be fine with the idea that they can let their sub lapse and lose all of that effort. Yours was also probably just a Small, and see how frustrating and difficult that was?

So yes, SE can shut down their servers tomorrow. But they're not. And until we all lose our houses, I will be salty if my house gets deleted for lapsing my sub. I will continue to keep my sub active because to do otherwise would be painful if I ever wanted to play XIV again. Which I do. I'm just currently bored is all. Doesn't mean I hate XIV.

YES THERE IS THE REALITY THAT WE CAN ALL LOSE EVERYTHING, NOBODY IS SAYING OTHERWISE. WHY ARE YOU STILL BRINGING IT UP?

Tomorrow I could get cancer. I could die on Friday. I still retain the right to be upset over dumb things.
03-13-2023, 05:05 AM
IkaraGreydancer

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Originally Posted by Byron-Blackfyre

the physical and mental toll it takes to get a house in FF14 is unreal which is why losing it feels like a gut-punch. in ESO my partner just bought a guild-hall for us, and it's instanced so our dark brotherhood "kvatch" sanctuary is still around even though we took a break from the game.

Trust me. I 100% understand that. All my original point was is that you aren't forced to do anything. It's all within our hands as we know the rules. I never said people shouldnt care about their homes or that some folks didn't go through alot for them. Heck I've never even defended the current system we have. I just believe in taking responsibility for my own actions. I went through hell to get my home but I choose to do all of that knowing the situation around housing. I lost that very house I went through hell for some years ago because I decided to take a very long break from xiv. Was it unfortunate? Ofc. But I made that choice n blame no one for that loss but me. My current home I've kept up with. Told myself I'm not losing another home especially as I just happened to get this randomly and it's literally right next door to my partners (obtained pre lottery as well). And to put it out there I'm 100% for instanced housing so all can share in the experience of homeowning.

Also for the person under me, the moment you put false labels on someone for having a different opinion you immediately become someone not worth listening to. And yall want to preach empathy lol
"Empathy for me but not for thee". Good joke.
03-13-2023, 05:09 AM
Sheriyana

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I dont think they lack empathy at all, they do have a far better handle on reality though.

yes, you have put 10 years of your life into essentially.. nothing. the ToS is very clear on that, was 10 years ago too. everyone would be upset if their character was deleted, but in an online game like an mmo.. that is ALWAYS going to be a possibility. does not mean a lack of empathy, it means that they realize something you are overlooking. all we pay for is access. Housing is a part of that access, and you can sink large amount of time and effort into one, but ultimately, its just there for enjoyment at that time because, it isnt yours.

if the big corporation decides to pull the plug, everyone will be upset. the reality is, its their plug to pull and its better to realize that, than to descend into abject depression when they do.

but I realize that it is unlikely you will understand either so.. all I can say is, have a great day

And what? All you're doing is arguing semantics and deflecting. Yes, you don't legally own anything in the game, so what? Does that mean people can't care about anything in the game? Why worry about losing a house when you don't have the legal rights to it and SE can just delete everything on a whim? Is anyone here arguing about legal rights aside from you white knights, for some incomprehensible reason? What are you even on about? Seriously.

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