Sorry SE, but endgame won't work if you don't fix something.

This thread is about the Top reason why no one wants to (or can) play a tank & close melee DRG/MNK class in game.
A Mount isn't going to fix this issue Yoshi P & Dev Team.
Scrolling the screen out isnt going to fix this issue Yoshi P & Dev Team.
Saying you will looking into it months ago wont fix this issue Yoshi P & Dev Team

You've had long enough to fix it. or do a work around. or change combat. but clearly they dont care.

(Yes they did lower the responce time from servers BUT that only helps if your near a server. They should of adjusted delay in combat [or added delay] to match the average latency ping time that way you can at least avoid getting hit, But risk getting hit if you move back to quick Which is 100 times safer. ~ altho they might need to buff up emity on tanks slightly more for it as it may require changing the tanking position after dodging... But thats not for me to worry about since i cant do these adjustments & Give them the results to make sure they dont mess it up like alot of other things they have, Also the average ping to any mmo is 200ms, But since u have alot close to the severs 200ms wouldnt be the best choice, so ruffly 150ms would be more suited, but once again needs testing et.c..)

^^ OMG a work around that will actually work & Didnt take a person getting paid to think of this Obvious solution more than 2 mins to come up with.
& thats right here is why i dont respect the Dev team anymore.

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Originally Posted by prymortal

This thread is about the Top reason why no one wants to (or can) play a tank

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I'm sorry, I'm not able to play tank because...? I can play tank perfectly fine and I actually want to play tank. Either you're trolling or you're just making stuff up now. People don't play tank because, and I know this will blow your mind:

MOST PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SIT AND DEAL DAMAGE, NOT PROTECT A PARTY OR HEAL A PARTY. This is why there's a shortage in any MMO.

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You've had long enough to fix it. or do a work around. or change combat. but clearly they dont care.

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They. Can't. Fix. Problems. With. Another. Company.

It's been confirmed for awhile now it's an ISP problem. (Level3.net, Tata and Sky have all been pretty much confirmed to be the problem.)

Also it's apparent you know nothing of game design, especially MMO design - A company can't just up and change major foundation systems in the blink of an eye while also continually trying to expand the game just because a route to their datacenters are having issues. I mean, name ONE MMORPG that changes their battle system every time a player's ISP has issues or even when a backbone is having issues.

I'm very curious to see which developers has the resources to overhaul their game every single time.

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Originally Posted by Cons

The video's dont lie.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_DAAoEx0g

See, the problem with this whole situation is, the fact it's only affecting a certain group of people and not exactly everyone is why it's an obvious issue inbetween the players and the game's servers. I even play PSO2 which as you know is not only an action based online game, but only has Japanese servers and there's no problems...the main thing I noticed? I don't take the same route to their servers as I do to XIV's servers, which on the JP Datacenter, is a route that's having issues because even some JP players are having it and many are actually near the servers.

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Originally Posted by Strov

Getping zapper and shut up lol. The fact that pingzapper and WTFast programs ACTUALLY work and make the lag almost 0 is proof enough for me that the problem is not really with SE but with the way that the Internet Providers are routing the packets to the datacenters. Try them out, they all have free trials and thencome back here and complain... I bet you wont.

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And what do those of us who play on PS3 do exactly all high and mighty?

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Originally Posted by necrosis

And what do those of us who play on PS3 do exactly all high and mighty?

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get a new isp.. or buy a pc

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Originally Posted by Icarian

I don't have any problem with any of that, neither does anyone on my set and I'm sure there's barely anyone that has those problems, if at all

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huh... It seems you don't understand what some of those phrases even mean/do?

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Originally Posted by Icarian

If it was on SE's end everyone would be affected, not just some arbitrary number of people

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Everyone is affected... but below certain latency you just don't experience ill effects...

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Originally Posted by Icarian

While the client/server code is far from perfect and has its fair share of problems (ie: not being able to hit a moving target as melee and stuff like that), it certainly doesn't make you unable to complete the current content.

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So you are just speaking just from your POV... I like red colour, I bet everyone does!


Proper server side prediction and some client trust would really help for high latency players.

post too long, so 2x posts.

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Originally Posted by Icarian

avoidable with a VPN should tell someone with a functioning brain that it can not be on SE's end, because that wouldn't do anything, especially the VPN part.

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VPNs just lessens hops you need to get to SE servers, which in return can lower latency. If VPN lowers latency low enough you can play without ill effects or just mild ones... if it doesn't you are still fucked. YES VPN doesn't always help and their servers can get overloaded or be unstable. Just 1 packet loss can result in death.

oh and care to cover the costs?

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Originally Posted by Icarian

The fact that a VPN can solve this and that a good chunk of players aren't affected by it clearly shows it's not SE's fault but whatever route your internet traffic takes.

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It is still SE's fault for *choosing* to have their servers in an area where a large % of the customer base will have issues, presumably to save money by having them in Canada since its less expensive.

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Originally Posted by Icarian

Dude, take some fresh air will you? Care to point where exactly did I say that?

Seriously, some people just refuse to reason and just want to have someone to cry and complain to, the fact that it doesn't affect everybody and it's avoidable with a VPN should tell someone with a functioning brain that it can not be on SE's end, because that wouldn't do anything, especially the VPN part.

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News Flash: Console players can not use VPNs. And we certainly can't tell our ISP's how to route anything. So, any other solutions besides quitting the game?

Tupsi.... Please point me to where it's been confirmed that it's an ISP issue please. Also, i'm with charter communications, i didn't see that in your little list. Defend SE all you want, in the end no matter whos fault this issue is, it'll cost SE money. No other MMO has issues like this, and we're all using our same ISP. So... I'm really not sure what the deal is here. Just the fact i'm getting better quality servers on free to play games really makes me question the reason i'm paying subscription fee in the first place.

some better quality game servers would be nice