Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

I guessed a while back here during new job speculation that perhaps a new maiming or scouting set using melee dps job would be released because so far only one job each uses them and numerous people were adamant that Square doesn't consider that a concern when making new jobs. I know feel pretty vindicated to hear that addressed.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

Sure that's why it "seems like there's kinda a rule" as opposed to "there is a rule". Releasing another melee at 7.0 would be rather silly though.

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Why?

It's a DPS, so it fills the devs goal of always releasing a DPS. Scouting still doesn't have a 2nd job, and they've said that sharing gear is a consideration. The ideal party in the devs eyes is also still 2 tanks, 2 healers, 2 melee and 2 ranged, so it also maintains the balance of jobs per role. 4/4/6/6(3/3).

DPS jobs help sell expansions, it's as simple as that. If they can have a cool weapon, that's a bonus.

Since we haven't brought it up in a few months, and with this new information that came to light with the showcase. We currently have a Scion in Radz-at-Han. Coultenet has been in Radz-at-han for a few years now.
What makes this interesting is: After visiting Doma he has been in Radz combining mudra and arcane geometries after taking an interest in Doman Shinobi. And "quietly devising" new arcane arts. This isn't new news by any means, but worth a mention since we are finally heading that way.

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Coultenet

The main issue I have with the speculation of the new job is that it uses a scythe, which is just an offhand for BTN. Which is why I've personally been more interested in a dual scythe type of weapon, similar to how Zidane in FF9 wields his weapon. I didn't really care for Ranjit's poses and animations with the weapon, so I'm kind've curious just how it's all going to play out in may.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Why?

It's a DPS, so it fills the devs goal of always releasing a DPS. Scouting still doesn't have a 2nd job, and they've said that sharing gear is a consideration. The ideal party in the devs eyes is also still 2 tanks, 2 healers, 2 melee and 2 ranged, so it also maintains the balance of jobs per role. 4/4/6/6(3/3).

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If melee dps is getting brought ahead of schedule then doing so twice in a row would lead to player frustration, both at 7.0 for people that want to see new stuff in other roles where melee gets special treatment and also potentially later if the goal is to balance the real number of jobs per role because you'd need to skip melee for something like three expacs to bring all the other roles up to cover it.
You could bump up both ranged at 7.0 and hit scouting at 8.0 which would then just mean it'd be up for being skipped twice after that which wouldn't be abnormal.

The last bit you're more arguing the balance of jobs per slot, not jobs per role, while also not really acknowledging that Tanks and Healers have the same number of slots as Melee dps. If it's based on slots and not roles then Healers and Tanks are behind, where based on roles they're actually just basically on average.
If you look at the actual decisions made, according to your logic they should have actually released a melee for 5.0 as that would have balanced Melee vs Ranged dps, but they didn't. There also shouldn't be an expansion where we don't get either a tank or a healer, which we've had.
Given Healers being split and the comment from Yoshi-p that the comp should be one of each type, there's also an argument that healers should be brought up to six so there are three options for each slot and Tanks while not split are just the same as Melee DPS. Which becomes well... concerning for Magical and Physical Ranged DPS because how many expacs would those roles need to be skipped for new jobs to make that balance happen?

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Originally Posted by Sairys

Given Healers being split and the comment from Yoshi-p that the comp should be one of each type, there's also an argument that healers should be brought up to six so there are three options for each slot and Tanks while not split are just the same as Melee DPS. Which becomes well... concerning for Magical and Physical Ranged DPS because how many expacs would those roles need to be skipped for new jobs to make that balance happen?

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I wouldn't be surprised if Sage, "Reaper" and a future Scouting job end up being the last standard jobs added for a 4:4:6(2:2:2):6(3:3) ratio. Any future jobs beyond this theorized 20 main jobs are likely to be limited.

They have already said that they are starting to approach the limit of the number of different weapon types they can effectively model which ended up causing GNB and DNC to have a very limited number of weapon models during 5.X.

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Originally Posted by Sairys

If you look at the actual decisions made, according to your logic they should have actually released a melee for 5.0 as that would have balanced Melee vs Ranged dps, but they didn't.

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Mate, it's your logic ;)

"It's also not unreasonable to expect that they will keep putting out at least one dps per expac"

You're right, that's not unreasonable, & Melee DPS is a DPS.

"Releasing DNC over a healer at that point actually supports there being a goal for equivalent numbers between the different roles."

Ok, that being the case, Melee DPS are still behind ranged DPS.

Physical ranged vs. Magical ranged are balanced against each other right now, and those roles don't seem to be weighted the same as melee vs ranged overall, given, y'know, we're getting a melee over a ranged DPS.

"Given the comments in the Endwalker interview, it could just be that the reason we didn't get a caster was just so they could do something for the complaints about maiming gear being just DRG at 6.0 rather than waiting til 7.0."

Scouting is still Ninja only, people complain it also cannot be shared. Scouting is also melee DPS gear.

Conclusion: Melee DPS for 7.0.


I personally think they're just not that bothered about all that, which is what I said originally.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I also think people have probably been overestimating how much they care about maintaining some perfect balance between options in the roles

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

I wouldn't be surprised if Sage, "Reaper" and a future Scouting job end up being the last standard jobs added for a 4:4:6(2:2:2):6(3:3) ratio. Any future jobs beyond this theorized 20 main jobs are likely to be limited.

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This seems like a reasonable guess tbh, 1 more job, finish on a nice round number with a reasonable balance and spread of jobs and roles. People wanting another caster or ranger will be kinda gutted though.

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Originally Posted by Dralonis

The main issue I have with the speculation of the new job is that it uses a scythe, which is just an offhand for BTN. Which is why I've personally been more interested in a dual scythe type of weapon, similar to how Zidane in FF9 wields his weapon. I didn't really care for Ranjit's poses and animations with the weapon, so I'm kind've curious just how it's all going to play out in may.

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I think my main sticking point is that it seems weird that Zenos (whose trailer appearance is being used as "solid evidence"), a swordsman trained in specific styles of swordplay and with a known proclivity for collecting swords, would suddenly pick up a scythe.

I'm also not keen on having the only two Maiming gear set jobs both use polearms (with DRG even able to buy a scythe weapon model). That would be like if the next Scouting gear job also used dual blades, but holds them right-side-up.

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Originally Posted by Dralonis

The main issue I have with the speculation of the new job is that it uses a scythe, which is just an offhand for BTN. Which is why I've personally been more interested in a dual scythe type of weapon, similar to how Zidane in FF9 wields his weapon. I didn't really care for Ranjit's poses and animations with the weapon, so I'm kind've curious just how it's all going to play out in may.

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Same. I'd like to see something more along these lines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kusarigama

Would be more interesting than a regular old scythe imo, and thematically it could fit quite well. (to be able to disarm multiple weapon types hence why we'd need the shield from poster boy)

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

I think my main sticking point is that it seems weird that Zenos (whose trailer appearance is being used as "solid evidence"), a swordsman trained in specific styles of swordplay and with a known proclivity for collecting swords, would suddenly pick up a scythe.

I'm also not keen on having the only two Maiming gear set jobs both use polearms (with DRG even able to buy a scythe weapon model). That would be like if the next Scouting gear job also used dual blades, but holds them right-side-up.

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I mean just because Zenos picks up a weapon doesn't mean anything from a player job standpoint. Zenos could have 13 scythes but it doesn't mean it's going to be a class, but the fanbase is aggressively frothing at it.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I mean just because Zenos picks up a weapon doesn't mean anything from a player job standpoint. Zenos could have 13 scythes but it doesn't mean it's going to be a class, but the fanbase is aggressively frothing at it.

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Well he did use a katana the same expansion we got a katana wielding job so there is precedence for this to be a hint

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

I think my main sticking point is that it seems weird that Zenos (whose trailer appearance is being used as "solid evidence"), a swordsman trained in specific styles of swordplay and with a known proclivity for collecting swords, would suddenly pick up a scythe.

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That's probably a "lore" reason. Zenos never liked the gunblade used by Garlemald. He suddenly picked up a katana not because he was a massive weeb, but because he was interested in the blade.
Between gunblade and katana, the later is much closer to a scythe. I'd say Zenos originally was attracted to Scythes, maybe due to past life or something in this idea. That's why he was interested in the katana.

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Originally Posted by Rymi64

Well he did use a katana the same expansion we got a katana wielding job so there is precedence for this to be a hint

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While yes he did get katana while in the far east, we got Samurai in a completely different way than "Zenos was it so we got it too." It was in the trailer and then timeline wise we got it before we ever encountered Zenos. Does this mean they are gonna resurrect him from the dead when it's time to fill in the scouting gear category? If Zenos had been the hint for Samurai in Stormblood I would be like "okay cool, there is the hint."

I'm not saying you're for or against the scythe or anything like that by any means, I just don't think it's anything other than Evil Zenos (with scythe always been the bad guy weapon) vs Good Paladin of Light to go with the FF4 theme.

I can't see Yoshi P putting out a scythe/"reaper" anything class for the player base amidst a global pandemic with the amount of deaths there have been. And while people on the official forums might not see it that way, it would inevitably be a PR nightmare.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

I can't see Yoshi P putting out a scythe/"reaper" anything class for the player base amidst a global pandemic with the amount of deaths there have been. And while people on the official forums might not see it that way, it would inevitably be a PR nightmare.

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That is absolutely ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

While yes he did get katana while in the far east, we got Samurai in a completely different way than "Zenos was it so we got it too." It was in the trailer and then timeline wise we got it before we ever encountered Zenos. Does this mean they are gonna resurrect him from the dead when it's time to fill in the scouting gear category? If Zenos had been the hint for Samurai in Stormblood I would be like "okay cool, there is the hint."

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Zenos was always intended and designed to be a dark mirror of the WoL. His StB design was very much intended to be Samurai as Shogun(tank) as compared to our Samurai as Ronin(DpS). If i remember right Zenos was also revealed after the full trailer had revealed the WoL as Samurai.

Also Zenos as a variation of one of the jobs we have access to would allow him to be a "friend" and Trust member for a few dungeons.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

While yes he did get katana while in the far east, we got Samurai in a completely different way than "Zenos was it so we got it too." It was in the trailer and then timeline wise we got it before we ever encountered Zenos. Does this mean they are gonna resurrect him from the dead when it's time to fill in the scouting gear category? If Zenos had been the hint for Samurai in Stormblood I would be like "okay cool, there is the hint."

I'm not saying you're for or against the scythe or anything like that by any means, I just don't think it's anything other than Evil Zenos (with scythe always been the bad guy weapon) vs Good Paladin of Light to go with the FF4 theme.

I can't see Yoshi P putting out a scythe/"reaper" anything class for the player base amidst a global pandemic with the amount of deaths there have been. And while people on the official forums might not see it that way, it would inevitably be a PR nightmare.

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The thing with zenos is that he wasn't really a samurai in the same sense we were. The way he used the scabbard is similar to the way we get sens and expend them but he was never really a samurai in the way we were so it'd prob be the same way here, has the weapon of the new melee but uses it in a different way

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

That's probably a "lore" reason. Zenos never liked the gunblade used by Garlemald. He suddenly picked up a katana not because he was a massive weeb, but because he was interested in the blade.
Between gunblade and katana, the later is much closer to a scythe. I'd say Zenos originally was attracted to Scythes, maybe due to past life or something in this idea. That's why he was interested in the katana.

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How is a katana similar to scythe. At least a Garlean gunblade is still just a sword when you aren't shooting bullets out of it.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Zenos was always intended and designed to be a dark mirror of the WoL.

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Maaaan... now I feel disappointed Zenos in ShB didn't swap out his little samurai sword for a bigger one and go DRK with us : D

Well he was saddled with a nondescript Garlean soldier body until the end of the ShB expansion.

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

How is a katana similar to scythe. At least a Garlean gunblade is still just a sword when you aren't shooting bullets out of it.

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The blade is closer.
The key word is "closer", not similar, pay attention.

Different weapons, different fighting styles. I don't doubt you agree that there is a major difference between using a Rapier and a Katana in a Fencing duel.

Zenos probably has a better affinity to slash efficiently an opponent rather than using the garlemald fighting style.
A Scythe, in a battle, is used to slash.

Closer, not similar. There is a reason why Zenos was attracted to a Katana.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

The blade is closer.
The key word is "closer", not similar, pay attention.

Different weapons, different fighting styles. I don't doubt you agree that there is a major difference between using a Rapier and a Katana in a Fencing duel.

Zenos probably has a better affinity to slash efficiently an opponent rather than using the garlemald fighting style.
A Scythe, in a battle, is used to slash.

Closer, not similar. There is a reason why Zenos was attracted to a Katana.

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The blade is literally further away, attached to a long shaft, and the edge faces you as you wing, as opposed to every Garlean gunblade we've seen.

Compare these images, which one is clearly the odd man out?

https://i.imgur.com/KosIB70.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RVGnwY2.jpg
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...366a609d22.jpg

Well if the developer group making the job gets a bit more creative than just making the weapon a Combat Scythe, we may see the weapon to be something much more than just a Scythe.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well if the developer group making the job gets a bit more creative than just making the weapon a Combat Scythe, we may see the weapon to be something much more than just a Scythe.

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"It's also a gun" -Ruby

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Originally Posted by SaberMaxwell

"It's also a gun" -Ruby

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but what if it is also a sword?

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/EnragedLim...restricted.gif

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Originally Posted by FoxCh40s

Someone on Reddit actually solved it.

The album that T Shirt is referencing is produced by a man named Temple; it will be Templar.

The Filth and the Fury; Halone is known as the Fury, hence it will be a Ishgardian based job.

It means we will be getting Aymeric's job. One Handed Sword job that everyone has been asking for forever. Before you go all, no way! The Samurai Sam Raimi theory was totally correct.

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You know Ive been thinking about this alot and I think this is exacty what we are getting. Temple Knight or Templar. To further lend to this theory, both shirts Yoshi had where a hooded character. I think the death aspect was meant to be a red herring. The hooded part was what I think was suppose to be the clue. So with that I would like to present two characters I think they drew inspiration from for this job. First theres Zasalamel from the soul calibur series.

--->Zasalamel image link

Its been well noted that they drew inspirations from Kentaro Miura's Berserk for the Dark Knight class. Likewise, I think Zasalamel be a cool character to draw inspiration from even though he is not a holy or even a good character but more of a shaman type.

Then there is... Meliadoul from final fantasy tactics.

---->Meliadoul image link

Even in this screenshot we can see that she has the Divine Knight class. Which is pretty synonymous to Holy Knight or Templar Knight if you ask me. Since we already have the Templars headquarters in Ishgard as well it just seems natural that they would go this route. Anyway, these are just the thoughts that have been distracting me from doing my Calculus 3 homework.

What if everyone of our speculation is wrong and the new Job is actually Fell knight from tactics?

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

What if everyone of our speculation is wrong and the new Job is actually Fell knight from tactics?

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because we already have Dark Knight and that's pretty much the same thing?

I think the hints are merely towards the weapon, that will be a Battlescythe.

Now, the job wielding itself, it's still a question that I probably think about 2 possibilities:
- Much like Gunbreaker, a brand-new job for the franchise, that if I could guess, a wielder of Ascian-themed magick or void magicks - Melee mage. It would - sort - of overlap a bit on flavor with DRK, but the lore might pull it to another type of darkside.
- Mystic Knight rebranded to a scythe wielder, maybe even changing the name itself, but keeping the premise of a melee warrior imbuing their weapon with aspected magicks.

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Originally Posted by AC9Breaker

because we already have Dark Knight and that's pretty much the same thing?

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Except this upcoming job will be a Melee DPS, while Dark Knight in FF14 is a tank.

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Originally Posted by Styrmwyda

Except this upcoming job will be a Melee DPS, while Dark Knight in FF14 is a tank.

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We can have Holy Dragoon as a tank because Dragoon is a melee DPS.

If the melee job uses a scythe, it's most likely what Ran'jit used. He used a mix of ninjutsu mudras and melee combat arts. It is said he has mastered Gukumatz and he used his familiar in combat. When his dragon familiar merges with him, it's said his outfit changes where the dragon becomes part of his outfit. With the confirmation that this new melee job is going to share a similar place as Dragoon, it's a melee job with maiming gearset. This would make Ran'jit's outfit change a lot of sense - he essentially pulled something akin to Dragoon's Blood of the Dragon.

Now this is a bit of a wild speculation, but based on some ARR dialogue, Coultenet Dailebaure (scion) also studied and saw common points between ninjutsu mudras and arcane geometries. More importantly, he fled to Radz-at-Han at some point to avoid capture at Mor Dhona when escaping the Crystal Braves. Seeing as how we're going to Radz-at-Han in 6.0, there might be some relation to the new melee job and the fighting style Ran'jit used if it turns out that the new job's storyline plot revolves around the new 6.0 locations eventually. This is also built on the speculation that Radz-At-Han is where we're going to get Island Sanctuary update with raising animals and making a farm, leading into some unique combat style where farmers developed a new fighting technique with a scythe. This is because scythes were originally an agricultural tool for mowing grass or reaping crops - which falls inline with the Island Sanctuary update.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

We can have Holy Dragoon as a tank because Dragoon is a melee DPS.

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I won't lie, I actually always wanted to see Holy Dragoon as a Tank Job since 2.0 release but they will obviously have to do a lot of work to make it unique from Dragoon since it has a role as a tank and the weapon of choice will have to be similar to Dragoon but handle differently on how they attack with it. They can even go for the Lance and Shield weapon for Holy Dragoon.

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Originally Posted by AnotherPerson

If the melee job uses a scythe, it's most likely what Ran'jit used. He used a mix of ninjutsu mudras and melee combat arts. It is said he has mastered Gukumatz and he used his familiar in combat. When his dragon familiar merges with him, it's said his outfit changes where the dragon becomes part of his outfit. With the confirmation that this new melee job is going to share a similar place as Dragoon, it's a melee job with maiming gearset. This would make Ran'jit's outfit change a lot of sense - he essentially pulled something akin to Dragoon's Blood of the Dragon.

Now this is a bit of a wild speculation, but based on some ARR dialogue, Coultenet Dailebaure (scion) also studied and saw common points between ninjutsu mudras and arcane geometries. More importantly, he fled to Radz-at-Han at some point to avoid capture at Mor Dhona when escaping the Crystal Braves. Seeing as how we're going to Radz-at-Han in 6.0, there might be some relation to the new melee job and the fighting style Ran'jit used if it turns out that the new job's storyline plot revolves around the new 6.0 locations eventually. This is also built on the speculation that Radz-At-Han is where we're going to get Island Sanctuary update with raising animals and making a farm, leading into some unique combat style where farmers developed a new fighting technique with a scythe. This is because scythes were originally an agricultural tool for mowing grass or reaping crops - which falls inline with the Island Sanctuary update.

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We can probably expect plenty of influence from Ran'jit if the weapon is a Scythe since he maybe a good starting point for their animation development.

I still feel there maybe a good amount of influence from the FF11 Dark Knight as well if they are keeping the Death theme for even the new Melee DPS powers. As I stated before, a part of me suspects that the possible Scythe Melee DPS job maybe their attempt to revive the FF11 Scythe Death Knight as a new Job under a new name.

Astrologian was based off a special job from Tactics (that only had 1 skill), so it could be that they'll pull the Fell Knight from Tactics as well. Scythe seems to be a pretty strong indicator, though something with a stronger lunar theme would be really nice I think.

This wouldn't so much fit for Yoshi P's second shirt, but the first could've also been a clue for Rune Fencer, since the Arabic alphabet has a very 'runic' kind of look to it. I'm not really sure if I feel confident enough in any guess to say for certain.

Next dps job is literally Gaia

Close combat Hamer mage

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Originally Posted by testname

Next dps job is literally Gaia

Close combat Hamer mage

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Sorry but Time is being Compressed and all existence being denied.

Personally I hope the FFT job we'll get is either Holy Knight/Templar, Rune Knight (incorrectly named "Lune Knight" in the PS1 version), or Sword Saint, which all revolve around being so good with a sword you can fire off magic slashes like Northswain's Strike or Shadowblade.

I know people think we have plenty of sword using jobs, but personally I just want one melee DPS job that wears armor and uses a sword with some fantastical flair. Paladin is very holy-focused, stances with a shield (even glamming it away makes it apparent you're holding one), and is all about defense. Samurai is one of the strongest jobs theme-wise so it doesn't afford the fantasy of being anything other than a Samurai. Red Mage is you mostly using reused Black Mage animations while holding your sword upside down until you have enough mana to do your three sword attacks.

So that's why I'm hoping for a job like TG Cid or another from FFT. I know a lot of people are predicting a scythe-user and think another sword job isn't needed, but I think having the only other Maiming gear using job also wield a polearm (in addition to DRG already having a purchasable scythe weapon model) would be a bigger disappointment

https://preview.redd.it/ly732wsjzvf6...=webp&2a1e2c37

When i think sycthe i think of the Pteroslaver thing Ranjit had going on with his "pet" "Beast"

Thinking about it some, I think at the end of the day Ran'jit's special transformation was essentially The First's answer to a Dragoon: a "wyrm" empowered warrior with a polearm and scale armor. Since Dragons came to Hydaelyn some time after the shattering of Zodiark and the creation of the 13 Reflections, that means they only settled on The Source and would be absent from the reflections such as The First. I remember reading somewhere the developers referred to his "dragon" pet by a different term to distinguish it from the dragons we usually see.

I think anything related to Ranjit would still be too similar to Dragoon.
In order to add a new maiming job they need to distance it from Dragoon.

If that's all we were going on, I'd go with a slow heavy-hitter, wielding Hammers or Maces. Maybe a new take on 'Rune Knight' using a hammer with a nordic theme and Rune magic.

But there's also that loose hint at a scythe which makes things a little trickier.
So what I would imagine the new job to be is something like...

Ravager
A new take on the Mystic Knight archetype, combining elemental magic with hard and fast melee attacks, combining the traits of Tactics Advanced 2's and XIII's Ravager roles, with a new weapon.
It has it's lore roots in Mhach, they weren't all Black mages after all, and we see Ferdiad wield a scythe as well. It has a slight 'dark' aesthetic to it, similar to BLM, due to sharing it's roots.
To contrast against Dragoon, it has more magical capabilities, while DRG has low MDef and HP-absorb sustain, Ravager instead has a magical defence boost as a personal sustain skill.
It's job gauge could be kind of like a reverse RDM, the more it attacks, the more elemental aether it accumulates, and imbues it into attacks to augment and boost them in a couple of different ways, utilising a couple of different elements.