Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Something tells me you take this subject too seriously.

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Well, I love viera , I protect viera xD

Viera are not big monster with a ugly face x( Grrr ! Viera are beautiful and sexy !

While I would like them to be added we need more small races.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

(Article about the contraversy of Tera online and the depiction of the Elin race)
I want Viera, i would not mind strong tall lithe females and smaller framed lithe males. An elegant but fierce, proud race deeply connected to spiritual forces of Hydalen or a new variant that still holds to their depictions in FFXII. However not children, never that, i would have them more as want than have that wretched form of child player character option.

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you are aware that Elin race in the Tera game is actually heavily based on the concept of fae. Many types of fae have childish appearances but that is as far as it goes. Rarely if at all are they actual children. (ignoring the fact that they are in reality a bunch of pixels") That being said I actually hope for an amazonian type Viera race if we ever got one. They could go to the clan route where one are the tall fierce amazonian and the other is small and cute chibi.

I think Viera would be a nice edition to the game. I think a lot of what captivated people about the race in earlier games was that they were always portrayed in this very elegant and fierce manner. They seemed like a contradiction. They were these powerful tall intimidating creatures that still radiated grace and beauty. I think many players go for that feel with Elezen but don't quite hit the mark. I know there's support for smaller races but Viera maintains this sort of earthen dignity that has me completely infatuated. I'd be extremely excited to see how devs would commit existing armor sets to their body.

I want to be Viera so badly

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

I want to be Viera so badly

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Then get your ears and costume from the Gold Saucer, fantasia to a Highlander female, and Bob's you're uncle, you're an amazonian Bunny Girl - which as far as I can tell is a pretty decent fit for what most claim Viera would be.

I'm so sad that Viera didn't get announced as the Stormblood race :(
I really wanted to play as a Viera male! ;~;
I'm only hoping that we're able to play as a Viera in the next expansion..

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Then get your ears and costume from the Gold Saucer, fantasia to a Highlander female, and Bob's you're uncle, you're an amazonian Bunny Girl - which as far as I can tell is a pretty decent fit for what most claim Viera would be.

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Alternatively, Roegadyn females is another decent candidate. Especially the Hellsguard.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Alternatively, Roegadyn females is another decent candidate. Especially the Hellsguard.

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Indeed they are. Either would be a good candidate, I suspect that Elezen females could manage the same trick as well.

Please remove miqo'te, we only need hyur. Just give us the cait sith ears.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

I want to be Viera so badly

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Staying roegadyn forever but I really really want to level a viera alt. Good news is we're going back to Ivalice in stormblood and there's an area called Rabanastre and Dalmasca in Garlemald (we're going to Garlemald in 5.0). It's all linked.

Ghastly, Dalmasca is (apparently?) in Othard.

Just because a place has the same name as another place in another game, you shouldn't assume it's the exact same place (especially when the devs have said that Ivalice and Hydaelyn are not linked). While we have been teased that we should expect something similar to Tactics in regards to the Ivalice raid, I still think it's just going to be a Crystal Tower situation. Same name, completely different story.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Ghastly, Dalmasca is (apparently?) in Othard.

Just because a place has the same name as another place in another game, you shouldn't assume it's the exact same place (especially when the devs have said that Ivalice and Hydaelyn are not linked). While we have been teased that we should expect something similar to Tactics in regards to the Ivalice raid, I still think it's just going to be a Crystal Tower situation. Same name, completely different story.

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I didn't say story would be the same. Viera however will be the same.
About Othard, we'll be at othard in stormblood. By 5.0 we'll use the Othard route to go to Garlemald. Guess which route has Rabanastre and Dalmasca in it?
Your guesses are not better than mine in any way so please stop acting like they are. What is clear is we're "Returning to Ivalice" and Rabanastre and Dalmasca exist right next to Doma, so there are things to go by.
Again, it's a discussion, no one said the story will be the same so please stop acting like anyone said that.

Then why would you say 'it's all linked?' To me, that implied you were saying "these places have the same names as those places in XII, which also have Viera! Therefore it must be the same Ivalice!"

Also, they will not be the same Viera (if they're added). Like with everything in XIV, they'll only have one "unique" thing going for them (their ears) and share the exact same thing with everyone else (normal hands, normal feet, Elezen/Hellsguard/Highlander face and body). Or worse, cute anime rabbit girl and something man.

We need sexy viera female and male !

I wish : 1st clan are tall , 2nd tiny :D No jealousy :3

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

Indeed they are. Either would be a good candidate, I suspect that Elezen females could manage the same trick as well.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Alternatively, Roegadyn females is another decent candidate. Especially the Hellsguard.

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I keep seeing this and i do believe you both are refusing to acknowledge what this thread is about. I do not want them as a sub race, i do not want gear options to replicate their look. As Viera have been represented they are mature, fierce, elegant, and proud. The reason they are being requested is because that cant be found at the moment. Miqo'te are the playful cute option, Midlander are shy and cute, as are Au Ra, Highlander are the tomboy/ athletic cute, Elezen and Roegadyn females do have prim and proper emotes however for many their body proportions and or lack of desirable face options keep them as a distinct minority. Point being, Viera adopting any of the emotes from the other races would either look completely off or just plain stealing from the already small pool of players that currently play those less chosen races. Should they go the Hyur route the question would inevitably be, why not simply make them their own race?

The idea of them being their own race but not playable may be a good way to introduce them and their lore however, it would give way to much more call for them to be made a playable race should the be implemented in such a way. All in all what is being requested does not fit what we currently have, making them unique in this installment of an FF title is not a thing that would be detrimental to those that do not want or see a need for them.

Viera are not highlanders or roegadyns, this is a misconception by taking the most extreme Fran pics from FFXII and imagining them as even more extreme than they were.

Viera are from Final Fantasy Tactics where this is nothing close to what they look like. It's closer to the cute concepts some people say aren't Viera.

They also wear very high heels so maybe they're actually short. I would not mind seeing a viera cross between a potato and a namingway but taller, maybe one subrace taller/bulkier than hyur and one shorter than au ra. They also have subraces too.

These are woodland viera.

http://40.media.tumblr.com/8b819a8d2...z6co1_1280.jpg

This is a feol viera which is fairer skinned and has a different build.

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/...2/Midia_RW.png

Bunny crown would be nice it it combines with hats and removes ears/horns.

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Originally Posted by UsagiAndCrepes

Viera are not highlanders or roegadyns, this is a misconception by taking the most extreme Fran pics from FFXII and imagining them as even more extreme than they were.

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So they are Miqote instead then. You are right that this is more likely how Viera will be designed but these just look like tanned Miqote (or more accurately Mithra) with rabbit ears.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

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And that's when I mention a third clan of either Elezen with the exact type of physique as Viera (mature, elegant, etc), or Miqo'te (longer ears, no tail, same physique as Viera) as a compromise, also having their own emotes and animations, like Midlanders and Highlanders. Viera lore from Tactics Advance and XII has no place in XIV (make them actually unique/different, rather than just copy and paste from a previous title).

If Viera are to be introduced as NPC only races (and never playable), that's also a decent compromise... but again, not with the same lore from previous titles. Give them their own XIV lore.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

And that's when I mention a third clan of either Elezen with the exact type of physique as Viera (mature, elegant, etc), or Miqo'te (longer ears, no tail, same physique as Viera) as a compromise, also having their own emotes and animations, like Midlanders and Highlanders. Viera lore from Tactics Advance and XII has no place in XIV (make them actually unique/different, rather than just copy and paste from a previous title).

If Viera are to be introduced as NPC only races (and never playable), that's also a decent compromise... but again, not with the same lore from previous titles. Give them their own XIV lore.

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That is all in direct in direct contrast to what is being asked for in this thread. The compromise you give dose nothing to satisfy the concession I and many other are asking for. So much is already borrowed from other FF titles but this must be completely unique? What dose the introduction of Viera do to you specifically that should keep it from a player base that has wanted them since 1.0 (for those of us coming form Vana'diel even longer).

Yoshi wishes the mention of Viera had been left off the race survey, it wasn't. He did not want the Au Ra concept art assets shown, they were. Time and again this request is made, time and again detractors and disparagers rally against it as if though their inclusion would be detrimental to them in some form or another, why?

In a game where we get outfits from past protagonists, have Fates bring characters from titles, have jobs, items, areas, names, music all referencing the series as a whole, the very thing that carried Final Fantasy XIV through 1.0 should be set aside completely for a unique race?

Though the difference is subtle, that does not mean it's unwanted or undesirable. People groan and complain that there are to many of these threads, should that not be an inclination as to what many in the community want? Even threads made specifically to counter those championing Viera are unable to keep up, why is that? Many in the player base want this option, have been patiently waiting for this. The title isn't Viera or riot it's :Viera as the next new race- Show your support: so of course 66 pages later supporters have defend their view to people who thinly cover their arguments against implementation as "discussion".

I do not want the compromises you have suggested. I want the dev team to concede and give us what was voted for and therefore expected of them as a promise made in 1.0. however it was meant, whatever the intent a clear winner was chosen. If the dev. team didn't mean to sway the vote in such a way using Viera as an example then their payed professional staff should have cleared it up before the results were tallied.

That damn race poll from 1.0

http://i.imgur.com/MkdaJF7.png

It's mostly because of how visually boring the Au Ra race is. I loved the concept art of the Au Ra and would have changed into one, had they kept their more bestial appearance... but then we got what I still find to be visually bland and boring (I don't give a rats behind about what little lore there is behind them). I never saw the appeal for Viera, so that was one strike, but because of how the Au Ra was handled, I can already imagine how they're going to look in XIV. Tall human/elf with a unique face and rabbit ears. As with the Au Ra, the concept art will just be a tease of what could have been.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Yoshi wishes the mention of Viera had been left off the race survey, it wasn't. He did not want the Au Ra concept art assets shown, they were. Time and again this request is made, time and again detractors and disparagers rally against it as if though their inclusion would be detrimental to them in some form or another, why?

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That's right, in retrospect Yoshi wishes he had never used Viera as the example used to give people an idea of what was meant for that voting option, because people who can't read and grasp the ex meant example, it was not; nor ever, meant as what we were going to receive. He also wished the Au'Ra concept was never shown because he knew it would only perpetuate the situation and he was right. As to why, because people have differing opinions, because you got you're Mammalian beast-man race in the Au'Ra (even though it's reptilian), because there's things to fix with the current races. There's a whole slew of reasons just as equally fair and important to other people as your opinion is to you.

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Though the difference is subtle, that does not mean it's unwanted or undesirable. People groan and complain that there are to many of these threads, should that not be an inclination as to what many in the community want? Even threads made specifically to counter those championing Viera are unable to keep up, why is that? Many in the player base want this option, have been patiently waiting for this. The title isn't Viera or riot it's :Viera as the next new race- Show your support: so of course 66 pages later supporters have defend their view to people who thinly cover their arguments against implementation as "discussion".

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If my memory serves me well; and it typically does, there was a sister thread made in opposition to this very thread "Anything but Viera" and it quickly out grew this thread and also had more likes at the time. So using this thread as some form of confirmation of what should be next is not a form that should be used to choose what should be next.

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I do not want the compromises you have suggested. I want the dev team to concede and give us what was voted for and therefore expected of them as a promise made in 1.0. however it was meant, whatever the intent a clear winner was chosen. If the dev. team didn't mean to sway the vote in such a way using Viera as an example then their payed professional staff should have cleared it up before the results were tallied.

That damn race poll from 1.0

http://i.imgur.com/MkdaJF7.png

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So in short you just want to be child and throw fits because you're not getting your way? Not a good way to go about convincing anyone of anything.

Viera was NEVER a promise, ever. It was an example used to give people an idea of what the intent was. Arguably we got what was voted for except instead of mammalian we got reptilian. Which made more sense in lore due to the whole Dragon Song war, though I feel not enough was done with it, but that's a whole other matter.

People really need to stop perpetuating this "Viera promise" shtick. If you want Viera that's fine, but stop spreading this falsehood of unfulfilled promise/s.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

So they are Miqote instead then. You are right that this is more likely how Viera will be designed but these just look like tanned Miqote (or more accurately Mithra) with rabbit ears.

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If you think they look like mithra that's fine. Of course they are a humanoid race with animal features, which is also what mithra are.

One thing that isn't true is that this has to be bad. Actually item designs fit all races and if a race is too different you have to redo all the models from scratch. So any race they add is always going to be like other races because that's more economical in development time and also game resources.

You can't combine bunny crown with hats and helmets and there are other things that make it just not quite right but people do play viera like that even still. Viera would be a very popular race even if it is "just like miqo'te"

But I doubt devs read anything here so it's just ppl with opinions talking about what they like.

I'd just like to point out that the last thread someone made about this even included a poll, and boy were they disappointed when the poll they thought would prove their point backfired. Viera is the most asked for race, but it is nowhere near what the majority want. The vast majority of players want more options for existing races. Viera is just something wanted by an extremely vocal minority, with a lot of them feeling like special snowflake or that spamming the same topic repeatedly in different threads somehow proves the importance of their demands (FYI, neither thing is true).

Those against it are the real vocal minority.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Those against it are the real vocal minority.

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Interesting. I'd like to see those metrics, please do share the data you seem to have that we don't on this matter. Or is this just a narrative to dismiss others that disagree with your perspective?

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

Interesting. I'd like to see those metrics, please do share the data you seem to have that we don't on this matter. Or is this just a narrative to dismiss others that disagree with your perspective?

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I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r

Instead of nitpicking comments, you should read the comments in context. It would help you a lot, instead of rushing to assumptions.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

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Apologies then.

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Instead of nitpicking comments, you should read the comments in context. It would help you a lot, instead of rushing to assumptions.

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However, making an eight word statement in a 67 page thread, with no quote or name on who it's being directed at, leaves no contextualization for the reader, except for what they make of it. Don't want assumptions, then be direct. But that's semantics, won't bother going there. =P

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

I'm using his argument against him. Read his message dismissing those supporting viera as the minority.
Yet this proves otherwise

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

http://www.strawpoll.me/4210217/r

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Except your strawpoll is a strawman argument. DamianFatale posted a strawpoll that was not quite as voted on as this one, but was very clearly balanced in the options, whereas this one literally only asks questions about Viera. Also, even in that poll, the votes for would or would not play are a) both minorities and b) very similar in percentages. Please also notice how in that 1.0 poll, the mixed heritages races and more clans for current are also highly sought. Furthermore, that poll merely uses Viera as an example, not as what the race would be. It's about creating images in people's heads (which can often backfire if too specific) about what is possible, not what will be. Finally, this poll is 5 years old. The more recent poll I mentioned, which occurred only a few months back, ended with a 62% majority in favor of more options, with only 28% wanting Viera, and the other 10% split amongst various other race options similar to the 1.0 poll. And if you want to get really technical, even being "the most desired race" (which clearly is a misinterpretation from the poll), Viera is still in the minority with 20-30% by country. No single option is the majority. Yes, Viera is the most wanted singular race, but the want is from a minority, even back in 1.0. Please consider what a minority and majority are.

The vote for any single option is always going to be a minority compared to the sum total of all options present and possible in the future. It doesn't mean anything.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Except in the poll I referenced, there was an actual majority for a single option. All I did was provide a counterpoint to their position, of which you only latched onto a small amount of. Believe what you will about my reasons, but you are way off the mark. They provided a response directed at me, and so I replied to them based on their points.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

[CENTER]I'd like to see Viera added- as another non-playable race.

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I'd be disappointed if they were put into the game as a non-playable race.

I'd prefer looking at official polls myself. I still hope we will get another race poll with viera being its own separate option one day.

Pretty sure Viera were listed on the poll when they were planning to add the 6th race, and that it actually surpassed Au Ra on the polls. Can't say I mind that they added Au Ra since Au Ra seem a better fit for Doma/Othard than Viera would (I could see Viera in maybe Meracydia or the New Continent to the West).

Can we leave this thread drown
http://i.imgur.com/9DwX3Td.png

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Originally Posted by Vexander

(I could see Viera in maybe Meracydia or the New Continent to the West).

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This would be interesting to see.

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Originally Posted by Arutan

Can we leave this thread drown

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Probably not. The desire for a specific race doesn't go away until its added. Goblins were requested in WoW until they were finally added in Cataclysm. High Elves (for the Alliance) are -still- a highly requested race in WoW to this day, with their forums continually littered with, 'Please add High Elves,' threads that invite several dozen pages of people arguing back and forth.

I'd like to think the FFXIV community is a bit better than the WoW community and could just ignore the thread instead of bumping it with requests of, 'Can this thread just die?' Sure, it'll pop up now and then as passionate players revisit it, but if you don't want Viera, just don't post. It'll go back into the depths of the forums faster.

Thread trolls are just like anime tsundere stereotypes, they keep bumping threads for content they don't want.

"Please go away thread, please go away, please stop replying... bump! oops, tee hee hee"

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Originally Posted by Vexander

Pretty sure Viera were listed on the poll when they were planning to add the 6th race, and that it actually surpassed Au Ra on the polls. Can't say I mind that they added Au Ra since Au Ra seem a better fit for Doma/Othard than Viera would (I could see Viera in maybe Meracydia or the New Continent to the West).

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It was listed as an example for what a Mammalian beast-man race could be. Not what we were going to get. It's cool if people want Viera, but Viera was never an option in that vote, they were an example. Mammalian Beast-man is what was voted for.

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

/groooan

It was listed as an example for what a Mammalian beast-man race could be. Not what we were going to get. It's cool if people want Viera, but Viera was never an option in that vote, they were an example. Mammalian Beast-man is what was voted for.

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Quite true, thank you for the clarification. I'd never seen the poll before and decided to do a look for it for myself. For anyone curious, here's the link: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/46936

At the very bottom of that post is has a little chart with the list. Interestingly, Beastmen as a new race was even on there, but had received very poor scores. The second highest request was Mixed-Heritage races (Half-Hyur, Half-Elezen, for example).

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Originally Posted by Kyuuen

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This is why I said I would like another race poll with viera having its own category instead of falling into mammalian beast-man. For clarity's sake, I feel a new poll should be done. However, I do believe Yoshi P's assumption is correct; people voted for a mammalian beast-man race mostly because viera was used as its example.