6.0 Red Mage speculation

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

In XIV, at least, "QoL" applied to job mechanics sometimes has a serious threat of Monkey's Paw outcomes.

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^This

Also means going back to basics as MNK in 5.0 is nearly identical to 2.0, and as for MCH, I didnt bloody ask for a culling of skills! All I ever wanted was a more seamless way to overheat and the turret to be more dynamic and 5.0 just bastardized the job to the most bare bones job in the game and I would not in a million years call SHB MCH a QOL change despite the fanfare.

back on topic, RDM did get a aoe upgrade...sort of it just feels abit boring to AOE. besides that Idk what else RDM could use without it adding too much to it

RDM Wishlist:

+ AoE melee combo! Activated by hitting Enchanted Moulinet and then two of the existing single target melee abilities (they change into aoe versions). Adjust W/B mana requirement accordingly.
+ Mana. What if we had a cd that returned mana but cost W/B mana? Interesting trade off for rough times.

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Originally Posted by Daws

+ Mana. What if we had a cd that returned mana but cost W/B mana? Interesting trade off for rough times.

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I'm assuming you mean an Ability that converts white and black mana to MP.

What rough times though? The only time this would be used is to get more MP after casting three or four raises, and DPSwise you would be better off just spending your mana on a redoublement combo while you wait for passive MP refresh and for Dreaming to cool down. And if you wanted to use that MP on even more raises instead, this would bring up major balance issues--to say nothing of why didn't you just reset the fight long ago?

I don't see this action being anything but an illusion of utility.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

^This

Also means going back to basics as MNK in 5.0 is nearly identical to 2.0, and as for MCH, I didnt bloody ask for a culling of skills! All I ever wanted was a more seamless way to overheat and the turret to be more dynamic and 5.0 just bastardized the job to the most bare bones job in the game and I would not in a million years call SHB MCH a QOL change despite the fanfare.

back on topic, RDM did get a aoe upgrade...sort of it just feels abit boring to AOE. besides that Idk what else RDM could use without it adding too much to it

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The saddest part is when you can actually have both more depth/nuance and QoL, if a modicum of creativity had just been applied. Consider RDM AoE, for instance.

Consider even the absolute most barebone way RDM AoE could have been applied:

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Scatter
Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 140 to target and all enemies nearby it.
Additional Effect: Increases both Black Mana and White Mana by 3.

If Dualcast, Scatter instead duplicates the prior cast, striking the target at all enemies nearby.

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What would that mean, then (tuning aside)?

1. You could Scatter-Scatter, as before, for 6|6 Mana and 280n potency.
2. You could Scatter-Veraero or Scatter-Verthunder, as before, for 3|14 or 14|3 Mana and 140n + 370 potency and chance of Verfire/Verstone procs.
3. You could, newly, Verfire-Scatter for 3|12 Mana and 450n potency or Verstone-Scatter for 12|3 Mana and 450n potency.
4. You could, newly, hardcast/Swiftcast Veraero-Scatter or Verthunder-Scatter for 14|3 or 3|14 Mana and 510n potency and chance of Verfire/Verstone procs.

1 button in total required for non-Mana-spending AoE, but now you have a significant AoE damage increase from procs generated and more reason, situationally, to hardcast.

But no, instead we needed to use 3 buttons that are not cohesive with the procs system, just to give the illusion of greater element-play.

would love to

a way to combine spells would be cool

combine fire with aero to create a fire tornado for example

or fire thunder for a thunderstrike that burns the target

verstone with fire , toss a magma boulder



-Corps-a-corps to a friendly player (stealing that from blm )


verblizzard , encage rdm on ice and inmune to dmg for 3s ? OP :p

ok , verblizzard encase the enemy in a block of ice (Stuned for X seconds) , caster with stun OP!

verwater , creates a pool of water that let u choose a direction for pushback (think leviathan or old WHM water spell ) , can be used by anyone on the pt (CLICK to avoid trolling) a stream of water push u into that selected direction !

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

But no, instead we needed to use 3 buttons that are not cohesive with the procs system, just to give the illusion of greater element-play.

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The current AoE rotation tries to illude a "greater element-play"? I'd argue it doesn't even come close to even being an illusion. Call it for what it is: a reverse single target rotation but aoe form.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Consider even the absolute most barebone way RDM AoE could have been applied:

What would that mean, then (tuning aside)?

1. You could Scatter-Scatter, as before, for 6|6 Mana and 280n potency.
2. You could Scatter-Veraero or Scatter-Verthunder, as before, for 3|14 or 14|3 Mana and 140n + 370 potency and chance of Verfire/Verstone procs.
3. You could, newly, Verfire-Scatter for 3|12 Mana and 450n potency or Verstone-Scatter for 12|3 Mana and 450n potency.
4. You could, newly, hardcast/Swiftcast Veraero-Scatter or Verthunder-Scatter for 14|3 or 3|14 Mana and 510n potency and chance of Verfire/Verstone procs.

1 button in total required for non-Mana-spending AoE, but now you have a significant AoE damage increase from procs generated and more reason, situationally, to hardcast.

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I'd even add Tether in. Tether>Scatter/Impact>other spell. I just want Tether back. I miss its animation and wish it was used as an aoe of some sort instead of being culled.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

I'd even add Tether in. Tether>Scatter/Impact>other spell. I just want Tether back. I miss its animation and wish it was used as an aoe of some sort instead of being culled.

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Tether kind of makes me wish we had DoTs on certain skills (say, Fire and Wind), which Tether could then draw into a focus target or whatnot, since that's what Tether's animation reminded me of (iirc). Also, something something the line animation on Corps-a-corps feels like it could have interaction, etc.

Of course, for that not to feel like a one-off gimmick, that'd need some further spell-combo context, like being able to expand Verfire's DoT to nearby enemies with an immediately-following Veraero or being able to explode a Verstone mid-animation with an immediately-following Verthunder, etc., etc...

I would just like them to knock 5 seconds off the recast timers of the dash and jump back. The amount of times i've hit 80/80 and they still have 1 or 2 seconds cool down is really high.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I would just like them to knock 5 seconds off the recast timers of the dash and jump back. The amount of times i've hit 80/80 and they still have 1 or 2 seconds cool down is really high.

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Park in melee range by default. Don't be out of melee range except to handle specific mechanics.

Part of high level RDM is when you get to 81|80 with Displacement still 2s out deciding if you should start your combo and Engage immediately on cooldown, or if you can manage a Swiftcast Verslowspell-Displacement Verfastspell-Verslowspell-CorpsACorps before starting your combo.

That timespan 2-3 GCDs before reaching 81|80 up to 2-3 GCDs after reaching it is when we make the only real decisions of consequence. The rest of the job is so easy anyone can fumble through it.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That timespan 2-3 GCDs before reaching 81|80 up to 2-3 GCDs after reaching it is when we make the only real decisions of consequence.

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Guys, please tell me that seems an issue to you as well.

I know the other jobs don't set a high bar, either, but... really now.