I also agree on some of the suggestions, I played WAR and DRK in HW and put my PLD in closet after playing it through ARR and now in SB I am playing my PLD. SE does not have the best track record of balancing the tanks in FFXIV, it always goes to a meta and one tank is totally left out, even if they make changes to WAR and DRK to feel more smooth and less clunky, they will have to make sure that they don't become what they were in HW. I don't think making one tank stronger in DPS is a good thing, as it will lead to that tank always being a staple again as usually groups want more DPS than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Temjiu
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06-26-2017, 05:02 PMFaeon
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06-26-2017, 05:02 PMFallenWingsI don't know where you get the idea of this PLD hate nonsense from. Nor do I get why the PLD players are being so arrogant with their newfound position. I don't understand this "us versus them" mentality when outside of PvP, this is a gosh darn team game.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewSinz
You'd think that having gone through heavensward and having the pity of their tank bretherens, they would develop some empathy for the plight of their brothers and sister after having went through the same horrible design decisions.
The complaint here is that WAR and/or DRK suck at a fundamental level in terms of design and balance. We already know that PLD was designed well this time around, absolutely no one is complaining about.
So please, for the love of hydaelyn, pull your deeply entrenched heads out of your {rear} and read and comprehend the actual complaints first before coming in with your idiotic "hur dur I suffered, therefore you must suffer now even though we work together" or "hur dur real tanks onri sit in tank stance and be a burden to their party". -
06-26-2017, 05:41 PMTalec
I have dropped DRK with this Expansion and not gonna take it up again. The playstyle of DRK has been ridiculously destroyed. However, after finishing my SMN to lvl70 I plan to level my Paladin (currently lvl54) because I still like the role of a defender, who walks on frontline and protects others. And unlike the DRK, Paladin still looks somewhat fun with cool new animations and a broad range of actions.^
But exactly that's the reason. I'm a casual Player who didn't enter any raid Content since a year. I don't care about the DMG I did or do now as a DRK. I'm not one of those People salty because DRK has 100 less DPS than the rest of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe
I simply stopped playing DRK because he is no more fun. From Mana Management and Dark Dance-Playstyle to a boring mitigation Tank who just spams Dark Arts. DRK is boring. This class surely go a hard nerf and it doesn't matter if SE will buff their DPS for a thousand, I'm not gonna play it again until I get back more skills, more ways to tank and more possibilitys to evade DMG. And this won't happen before 5.0. So R.I.P. DRK. -
06-26-2017, 05:47 PMLewtskieBeen leveling WAR, getting back into tanking. I haven't tanked since mid-ARR so I was never part of the super-WAR era, and I can tell while leveling WAR that something was/is wrong. Unlike the other two tanks who have a stance that mitigates damage, ours is dependent on healing. Our standard mitigation was always through sustain with IB SP and BB, and offensive force was necessary for that sustain. Had we lost STR but gained natural potency in the sustain, we would have been fine; but we lost both power and sustain, and I've sure been feeling it. And I don't play risky; I'm still pretty nervous so I keep myself in Defiance, and while no wipes yet there have been some iffy moments.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe
If IB started costing less, maybe just 40 rather than 50, just so we could keep a longer chain of sustain and mitigation going, that'd probably help tons. Also having BB back, that would be a godsend. I'm not worried about damage, I just wanna actually feel like a grizzly bear, but right now I feel like a build-a-bear.
Also don't value your sense of pride on other's opinions. If you feel proud doing or being a thing, great, but not if its at the whim of someone other than yourself. Be more committed than that.
I'm in agreement with others here, I don't understand why it's such a great thing when one Tank clearly holds dominion over others. True that perfect balance can never be achieved, but I don't believe you should be cursing under your breath when your preferred tank is on the bottom only to then cheer and berate others when its then on top. The spotlight effect should not be condoned or celebrated.Quote:
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06-26-2017, 06:06 PMArcaviusGreyasheWhat I meant there was "Back then, tanking community was great, we stood in our subforum arguing without going at each others' throats, eventually some PLDs would go out of their way and complain in general discussion, but that was it. Right now, we're ridiculous arguing over nothing."Quote:
Originally Posted by Lewtskie
I wasn't proud of what I did as a tank, everyone can tank, if he trains to do so, I was proud of the tank community. "patriotic" pride, if you wish.
Getting back to the topic, there are some iffy moments as PLD as well, it also depends on your healer... As a WAR, anyway, you can charge your gauge entirely in three and a half combos. You can get an inner beast doing only one "recharge" combo and one buff or one dps combo. Actually, WAR isn't as subpar as you make it seem, but it really is more bizarre to play, as there is no "true" rotation, you constantly have to adjust. As I understand it, WAR is the tank you go for when you have confidence in your healers, because you are less independant than the PLD is... But they are equal in my opinion. -
06-26-2017, 08:25 PMakaneakkiQuote:
Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin
You talk about yourself now?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin
Okay but you said you don't tank and now you talk like you know so much about the change. So again when you said fool, did you talk about yourself? Just asking for a nerf for MAINSTORY, is only what a fool would ask for. Again are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaizeGraymalkin
So again ^_^ I hope you beat the future msq trials. -
06-26-2017, 08:38 PMVexander
I'm a bit confused. My friend has played WAR ever since he started playing and he's been through the roof about Stormblood, laughing that someone on the dev team must have a love for WARs. He even tried to convince me to do WAR instead of PLD on my alt. That said I am loving how Paladin is playing in Stormblood (Total Eclipse is so nice to have), so I can see where it makes sense that they've been developed to be in a good spot, but I wasn't aware WARs and DRKs were having an issue in tanking. Is it lacking in DPS due to the formula change from VIT back to STR?
I really wish they'd go back to VIT for tank DPS either way to be honest. Its going to make keeping threat a bit tricky as the patches roll out as DPS will keep dealing more DPS and getting more threat where tanks will have static threat generation since our DPS won't be able to increase at all. -
06-26-2017, 08:42 PMMycow8me
As a warrior since 1.0 (because that somehow makes my opinion have more weight l0l not really)... I'm honestly OK with lower dps and a meta leaning more towards tanking but all these people need to understand something. Paladin has been fronted to the optimal tank spot again where honestly it belongs (atleast in my opinion)... This means warriors and dark knights are almost guaranteed off tank spots for 8 man content. The off tank spot in this game has been nothing but a glorified DPS throughout this games lifespan so far with a few odd primals and raids that require a tank swap or add mechanics. Even then, the off tanks role for "tanking" is pretty much for a single mechanic leaving them to be the glorified dps the rest of the fight. We push our DPS as much as we can for this reason.
If SE wants a more tanky meta they need to give us off tanks interesting things to do not just DPS a majority of the fight otherwise we are going to complain about dps loss. Last time I heard pld isn't very far off at all from war and drk which leaves us at the sticky spot of bring two plds or go with a war or drk as off tank? I really like warrior and I hope we see some more interesting off tank mechanics and drk/warrior keep a DPS advantage over pld which we deserve, while keeping pld at the best main tank spot for highest mitigational purposes untill a new high mitigation class comes.
Right now the DPS loss is annoying to me but like I said that's mostly because I've been experiencing a DPS meta on my warrior for far too long. If you want me to worry less about my DPS give me something to do in fights. -
06-26-2017, 08:54 PMBourne_EndeavorThe vast majority of Warriors wanted Paladin to be on equal footing again. No tank wants any other tank to be decidedly weaker because it only hinders everyone. Saying "Paladin deserves to be in the spotlight!" misses the point entirely. All this accomplishes is pushing people to either abandon Warrior for the other two tanks or switch to another role entirely-- defeating the very intentions the devs supposedly want.Quote:
Originally Posted by NewSinz
When you have numerous raid groups seriously discussing double Paladin, that's a massive red flag you messed up tank balance. One tank is so much better, people are thinking about bringing two of them. -
06-26-2017, 09:01 PMFaeonThis is a hard one for SE to correct, the WAR was near perfect in design in HW, and what they done was take that and well, make it more clunky, they fixed PLD in this expansion to some degree. But this is a issue that I am not sure how they are going to fix it tbh! they need to be careful as to not have the same thing like HW where it was mandatory to have a WAR in progression etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexander
They should not make it about DPS as prog will always favor the highest DPS tank, so what they would need to-do is make the encounters play on both strengthens and weakness's of each tank job, and make it equally as challenging for all. For starters the WAR stance switching should have remained the same imho!, while in raids make it requiring duel tanking and not just switch tank when tank buster debuff comes in, that is becoming boring and old. I think SE will correct the clunkyness though, the playstyle I don't think that much