Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by Allegor

It's stated by the dramaturge male and female Viera are indistinguishable from each other until puberty, that's pretty much the only hint people are going for. Ironically, puberty is also when the body starts developing and the differences between the sexes becomes much more apparent.

Basically, they can very well be bishonen, muscular, lanky, etc, but sorry for those who want an Astolfo, that ain't it.

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They'll look like this.

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Originally Posted by Berret_Snow

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They'll look like this.

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I hope not

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Originally Posted by zeylos

I hope not

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What's wrong with it? It's furry, muscular; a lot to grab onto. Nothing not to like!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What's wrong with it? It's furry, muscular; a lot to grab onto. Nothing not to like!

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So much to grab onto plus they would make the perfect cuddle buddy, perfect male Viera.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

What's wrong with it? It's furry, muscular; a lot to grab onto. Nothing not to like!

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We have male hrotgar already lol. Plus, I don't really think that guys is either graceful and elegant or a deadly silent assasin

Although Yoshida has described them as Elezen with miqo'te face, I'd personally rather something like a highlander/au'ra body with a mix of midlander and highlander faces. That being said I won't decry anyone who might want something different(like shorter height, more feminine appearance). As long as they can have actually good looking long white hair I won't care too deeply.

If I'm being honest I'd rather they just do something like at the very least have the subraces have varying min/max heights to appeal to what some people might want more.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Although Yoshida has described them as Elezen with miqo'te face, I'd personally rather something like a highlander/au'ra body with a mix of midlander and highlander faces. That being said I won't decry anyone who might want something different(like shorter height, more feminine appearance). As long as they can have actually good looking long white hair I won't care too deeply.

If I'm being honest I'd rather they just do something like at the very least have the subraces have varying min/max heights to appeal to what some people might want more.

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I would like the body type you described but with elegant faces, and perhaps 1 or 2 faces that are more ripped/aggressive/masculine.

As for the clans, while I'd like it, it is very possible that to do the missing genders they either struggle a lot or make them not wear headgear or something like that, so i wouldn't mind at all if their clan had the same differences as to those of the females (eyebrows, eyes and skin color)

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Originally Posted by zeylos

As for the clans, while I'd like it, it is very possible that to do the missing genders they either struggle a lot or make them not wear headgear or something like that, so i wouldn't mind at all if their clan had the same differences as to those of the females (eyebrows, eyes and skin color)

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For the clans I meant more so that if they were to re-visit character customization in the future, I'd like this sort of option, it doesn't have to be as intense as midlander or highlander but some sort of difference would be appreciated.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

For the clans I meant more so that if they were to re-visit character customization in the future, I'd like this sort of option, it doesn't have to be as intense as midlander or highlander but some sort of difference would be appreciated.

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Yeah then I completely agree and would appreciate if the devs could do that, since I bet that on 6.0 we'll get missing genders and on 7.0-8.0they'll start focusing on making new customization

Also, I had this idea that the devs could maybe give male viera a tail option?

Maybe it would go well with a possible fur option. I wouldn't mind not choosing ears personally, since only 1 of them is gonna be used in fem viera by 99% of ppl

Would you prefer floppy ears or fur/tail option?

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Also, I had this idea that the devs could maybe give male viera a tail option?

Maybe it would go well with a possible fur option. I wouldn't mind not choosing ears personally, since only 1 of them is gonna be used in fem viera by 99% of ppl

Would you prefer floppy ears or fur/tail option?

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I’d prefer picking my ears, I’m not a fan of those floppy ears they look a bit weird to me. I rather be able to choose my ears and choose if I can have the fur patch. I also rather have a face like miqote since they have a big range of faces, highlander is a bit much lol and midlanders look a bit young. As long as it’s attractive and not over the top I’m okay with it.

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

I’d prefer picking my ears, I’m not a fan of those floppy ears they look a bit weird to me. I rather be able to choose my ears and choose if I can have the fur patch. I also rather have a face like miqote since they have a big range of faces, highlander is a bit much lol and midlanders look a bit young. As long as it’s attractive and not over the top I’m okay with it.

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Yeah I also think choosing ears > tail tbh

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Originally Posted by zeylos

Also, I had this idea that the devs could maybe give male viera a tail option?

Maybe it would go well with a possible fur option. I wouldn't mind not choosing ears personally, since only 1 of them is gonna be used in fem viera by 99% of ppl

Would you prefer floppy ears or fur/tail option?

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Viera won’t have tails because they never did. If we got a tail it would just be the starter gear. Them having fur is a higher chance since almost every concept they shown had the fur patch, same for different ears. I definitely don’t want locked ears just to change a tail or fur type, that’s basically what they did to hrothgar so no thanks.

I said this once before, so I’ll post it again. They could avoid the entire debacle of refitting gear by using pre-existing bodies and just making new faces. Introduce one clan that uses the au ra body, and the other clan can use the miqo’te body. All they’d have to do is change the posture to differentiate them and all of the armors would already fit. AND it would eliminate the “how tall should they be” argument.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

Regarding Bishonen, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's nothing that stipulates their physique has to be particularly slender? Hence why you have Sephiroth, with his rather delicate facial features but powerful body, or Zenos, again with a very powerful body but a "pretty" face.

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Right, but do we want male Viera to be Garleans in disguise? That look is already taken by Garleans. Facially they should look like female Viera but with masculine faces, like this, strong jaw, strong nose
http://i63.tinypic.com/21ovrcg.png http://i68.tinypic.com/qnmhkg.png

We keep going on circles about how they should look when the concept art already exists. They won't be twinks, they won't be short, or pretty boys like male Elezen, that's why we have male Elezen already; the typical bishounen elf males. You know Aymeric and Estinien? Why do we need that again?

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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:eyes: crotch turf...

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Originally Posted by BastienWyngarden

I said this once before, so I’ll post it again. They could avoid the entire debacle of refitting gear by using pre-existing bodies and just making new faces. Introduce one clan that uses the au ra body, and the other clan can use the miqo’te body. All they’d have to do is change the posture to differentiate them and all of the armors would already fit. AND it would eliminate the “how tall should they be” argument.

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I think that they will see what they can do for 6.0, and if they can't make a new model/can only make one, they'll likely just give us an old one for male viera and give them different heads, with headgear likely not showing at start, while they focus on making a new body for female hrotgar, who are more unique and probably need a different body type than what we currently have, and I'd be100% fine with that

Surprised this is still going. The dev team has consistently proven they are completely uncomfortable with approaching anything from a non male hetero position.

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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I doubt that SE will leave the crotch so exposed, but other than that, and the fact that I'd like a loincloth, I wouldn't mind at all if male vieras end up looking like this

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Surprised this is still going. The dev team has consistently proven they are completely uncomfortable with approaching anything from a non male hetero position.

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This will go on until male viera are released lol. Also, the devs might have to make an effort and get out of the comfort zone in their next 2 years, which shouldn't be a problem for mature adults

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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Oh, would you look at that FLOOF.

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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Oh my God.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

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Again we don't know definitively what they'll look like, yes we have concept art but the issue with concept art is that you really never know what'll be used. They have that concept art, ones with slender bodies, one with smaller bodies(that we know they won't use) and Yoshida's statement that they'd be tall and elegant with faces like miqo'te and body's like elezen.

We could very much get an Au ra scenario where the final model looks nothing like the concept art, they could look huge and hulking or they could just look exactly like how Yoshida's designed. We don't know, again I'd rather they look somewhat like male highlanders/au ra but with better proportions. That being said I don't think there's any evidence that outright says they won't be x or y besides of course them being children, which we know will for sure not happen.

Essentially, they'll look like what they'll look like, there's no point in getting bent up over it if someone wants something you don't want when their entire existence or chance of being added are up in the air.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

Surprised this is still going. The dev team has consistently proven they are completely uncomfortable with approaching anything from a non male hetero position.

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The devs have already stated the reason for it not being added was resource, time, and feeling like hrothgar brought more. It most likely has nothing to do with hetero positions or not.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

Right, but do we want male Viera to be Garleans in disguise? That look is already taken by Garleans.

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It's taken by Zenos. Especially when you compare him to the likes of Varis, Solus, Nero, Cid or Gaius. Varis and Gaius, in particular, have very hard facial features.

I wasn't saying they ought to look like him, anyway. More so commenting on the fact that it appears the bishounen look doesn't require a slender body. I like the original concept art as a basis for them.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

It's taken by Zenos. Especially when you compare him to the likes of Varis, Solus, Nero, Cid or Gaius. Varis and Gaius, in particular, have very hard facial features.

I wasn't saying they ought to look like him, anyway. More so commenting on the fact that it appears the bishounen look doesn't require a slender body. I like the original concept art as a basis for them.

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Agree, when I say bishounen I'm more so pointing out their entire physique which is normally that twink look OmegaM has. Zenos body on a bishounen is more of an exception. For all intents and purposes in general I just feel like they should have the "rabbit" face female Viera have with strong noses and pronounced/strong jaws; which the concept art adheres to.

As for those saying that the concept art won't be what they'll look like you're being disingenuous. Male and female are based off each other, what female Viera looks like already informs us what male Viera will look like, it won't differe that much or at all from the concept art, the in game lore re-enforces this even more.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

As for those saying that the concept art won't be what they'll look like you're being disingenuous. Male and female are based off each other, what female Viera looks like already informs us what male Viera will look like, it won't differe that much or at all from the concept art, the in game lore re-enforces this even more.

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Except the female viera we got looked nothing like the concept art they had for the most part in terms of racial gear anyway and lack the actual fluffy tails they had, they're pretty much just fran. Even still we have a quote from Yoshida for what he thinks viera men would look like in his personal opinion, and as we know from Blue mage, when he describes something in an interview that's often how it ends up. A lot of the lore written about male viera was written by Matsuno, who recently in a tweet also stated he thought male viera would have 0% body fat and be built somewhat like boxers.

That being said again, they'll look like what they'll look like, we just really don't know and getting up in a tizy over it won't change that. Stating what you'd like them to look like and posting images of that idea is a lot more productive than tearing down other people's concept of what they'd like them to look like(save for child-like bodies, as again those won't exist).

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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Oh noooooooo, I want them to have slutty racial gear like the female Viera, but that there is a bit much, even for me. >_>

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

Except the female viera we got looked nothing like the concept art they had for the most part in terms of racial gear anyway and lack the actual fluffy tails they had, they're pretty much just fran. Even still we have a quote from Yoshida for what he thinks viera men would look like in his personal opinion, and as we know from Blue mage, when he describes something in an interview that's often how it ends up. A lot of the lore written about male viera was written by Matsuno, who recently in a tweet also stated he thought male viera would have 0% body fat and be built somewhat like boxers.

That being said again, they'll look like what they'll look like, we just really don't know and getting up in a tizy over it won't change that. Stating what you'd like them to look like and posting images of that idea is a lot more productive than tearing down other people's concept of what they'd like them to look like(save for child-like bodies, as again those won't exist).

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I don't know the female Viera concept looks like what we got. I mean they didn't need to make concept art for the female, they knew what the female would look like already and just copied it from FF12. They weren't going to deviate from the FF12 models. It's more likely to follow Matsuno's imagery anyway as the original creator - the respect Yoshida has for him is pretty intense.

We can't forget that the concept art Yoshida also said they were still 'too cute' for him. So expect something manlier than the concept art. Which surprises me because I thought the concept art was pretty manly, I wonder how fierce/masculine he wants them?

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

https://twitter.com/soushiyox/status...584134144?s=21

Just give me this or something like the original concept (tall obviously)

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... /blush

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I don't know the female Viera concept looks like what we got. I mean they didn't need to make concept art for the female, they knew what the female would look like already and just copied it from FF12. They weren't going to deviate from the FF12 models. It's more likely to follow Matsuno's imagery anyway as the original creator - the respect Yoshida has for him is pretty intense.

We can't forget that the concept art Yoshida also said they were still 'too cute' for him. So expect something manly.

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I'm they look pretty wildly different from some concept art like the ones with full on rabbit heads and they look pretty different from XII viera who have longer nails and more elongated proportions, it's up in the air really, they'll look like how they'll look. There's evidence for them to be slim just as there is for them to be bulky, I'm pretty sure the cutesy comment was more just a reference to hrothgar/aimed at the smaller child like viera, since he went back to describing them as more elegant and handsome in a more recent interview. Slimmer builds don't necessarily equate to being unmanly after all.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I don't know the female Viera concept looks like what we got. I mean they didn't need to make concept art for the female, they knew what the female would look like already and just copied it from FF12. They weren't going to deviate from the FF12 models. It's more likely to follow Matsuno's imagery anyway as the original creator - the respect Yoshida has for him is pretty intense.

We can't forget that the concept art Yoshida also said they were still 'too cute' for him. So expect something manlier than the concept art. Which surprises me because I thought the concept art was pretty manly, I wonder how fierce/masculine he wants them?

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He did? oO Wasn't aware he had commented on that.

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I'm they look pretty wildly different from some concept art like the ones with full on rabbit heads and they look pretty different from XII viera who have longer nails and more elongated proportions, it's up in the air really, they'll look like how they'll look. There's evidence for them to be slim just as there is for them to be bulky, I'm pretty sure the cutesy comment was more just a reference to hrothgar/aimed at the smaller child like viera, since he went back to describing them as more elegant and handsome in a more recent interview. Slimmer builds don't necessarily equate to being unmanly after all.

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That, plus many people seem to use the term "slim" for anything less bulky than a Roegadyn. Personally, I wouldn't consider male Au Ra to be slim, so much as bulky, but a lot of people call them "slim". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Originally Posted by Lauront

He did? oO Wasn't aware he had commented on that.

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Aye, when they showed the concept art - if I remember correctly Yoshida said he didn't want to show it originally because they had a good thing going with Aura. He commented on the males being 'too cute' for him or something very similar. If someone can post the source that'd be great - just to make sure my memory isn't crapping out.

Times have changed, however, but I won't be surprised to them being a lot more masculine along with the 'elegant' and 'handsome' - so the chest fur and facial hair might be something they would go along with. Male Viera just in a power stance 24/7.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Aye, when they showed the concept art - if I remember correctly Yoshida said he didn't want to show it originally because they had a good thing going with Aura. He commented on the males being 'too cute' for him or something very similar. If someone can post the source that'd be great - just to make sure my memory isn't crapping out.

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It was during the paris fanfest iirc, The not wanting to show the concept art was during the au ra panel. He mentioned the males looking too "cute" and not "beastly" enough which was a hint at hrothgar

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Originally Posted by Lauront

That, plus many people seem to use the term "slim" for anything less bulky than a Roegadyn. Personally, I wouldn't consider male Au Ra to be slim, so much as bulky, but a lot of people call them "slim". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Yeah when I think of Slim I think more so a male miqo'te with smaller shoulders and less muscle culture. Au ra would probably be what I would consider "Bulky" the only thing making them less muscular than Highlanders are the lack of actual muscle tone their actual proportions are pretty beefy. The only problem for me is the wonky standing stance and them birthing hips.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

We can't forget that the concept art Yoshida also said they were still 'too cute' for him. So expect something manlier than the concept art. Which surprises me because I thought the concept art was pretty manly, I wonder how fierce/masculine he wants them?

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You sure it wasn’t the small bunny boys and not the concept showing gear?

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

You sure it wasn’t the small bunny boys and not the concept showing gear?

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It was this below; he thought they looked too cute there. Hopefully, things have changed maybe - they look fierce enough. And with Hrothgar there's no need to look to beast like.
https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con.../04/Viera1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

It was this below; he thought they looked too cute there. Hopefully, things have changed maybe - they look fierce enough. And with Hrothgar there's no need to look to beast like.
https://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-con.../04/Viera1.jpg

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I hope they continue to look like this.. this face is like in between and can easily be considered dominant or submissive so it’s perfect..

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

I hope they continue to look like this.. this face is like in between and can easily be considered dominant or submissive so it’s perfect..

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https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/00...0a1454c5ce.gif

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

I hope they continue to look like this.. this face is like in between and can easily be considered dominant or submissive so it’s perfect..

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I think this may be part of the reason why he may want them to look more 'fierce' and 'manly' because they're not supposed to be submissive in appearance. They're kings of the jungle. And basically cold-blooded murderers.

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Originally Posted by Yana-Chan

I hope they continue to look like this.. this face is like in between and can easily be considered dominant or submissive so it’s perfect..

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You have miqo'te if you want to look submissive. Let the fierce warriors of the woods look exactly like warriors. I don't know where people get this headcanon that viera males are submissive.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

I think this may be part of the reason why he may want them to look more 'fierce' and 'manly' because they're not supposed to be submissive in appearance. They're kings of the jungle. And basically cold-blooded murderers.

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Yeah that’s true but I meant kinda how miqote are they have a big range of faces but I get they are warriors and fierce so it would make more sense to have all manly looking faces I just hope they don’t go over board