Zepla: Endwalker is the Worst FFXIV Expansion I have played

I think you’ll struggle to find people who genuinely call you a bootlicker for saying “I can acknowledge some problems but think they are overblown and still like the game for XYZ reason”. The big problem seems to be that if you are happy with the game and someone else wants more content because they don’t feel there is enough then it’s literally a win win situation for people who already enjoy the game as as it is, instead said comments are usually hit with “go play other games” as if they actually fixed the issue

The other big one is that quite often the “I love this game I have so much to do” vs the “this game needs more content per patch” is split new vs old players, it gets sorta frustrating being told “there is no problem there is so much content” by a person who started playing last year when you’ve been here for 13 years

I genuinely love this game and I want to keep playing it but I’m not gonna hesitate to point out its deeply flawed at the moment but I’m also gonna not attempt to disparage someone for enjoying the game right now if they have valid reasons, “lol take breaks games fine” is not a valid reason in my mind

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I think you’ll struggle to find people who genuinely call you a bootlicker for saying “I can acknowledge some problems but think they are overblown and still like the game for XYZ reason”. The big problem seems to be that if you are happy with the game and someone else wants more content because they don’t feel there is enough then it’s literally a win win situation for people who already enjoy the game as as it is, instead said comments are usually hit with “go play other games” as if they actually fixed the issue

The other big one is that quite often the “I love this game I have so much to do” vs the “this game needs more content per patch” is split new vs old players, it gets sorta frustrating being told “there is no problem there is so much content” by a person who started playing last year when you’ve been here for 13 years

I genuinely love this game and I want to keep playing it but I’m not gonna hesitate to point out its deeply flawed at the moment but I’m also gonna not attempt to disparage someone for enjoying the game right now if they have valid reasons, “lol take breaks games fine” is not a valid reason in my mind

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I absolutely agree with everything you said in this paragraph. I'm entirely on board with it. The "Go play something else" comments really need to stop. At its root, it's fundamentally a "Go touch grass" statement. It's disrespectful and doesn't address anything whatsoever. I would love to see induvials find ways to be persuasive with why they love the game for what it is right now without being condescending about it.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Though in this case who cares if the original poster is a memer, the content of the video is what matters and it’s sparked discussion on the forums, I honestly can’t even remember who posted the original post or what person they accuse said person of being an alt of (probably titanmen) because at this point I just engage with the discussion in the last 2-3 pages

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True, it's sparked discussion but the way it was presented by our frequent suspect OP was misleading about Zepla's comments.

You need to watch at least the first 5 minutes of the video to understand how she feels about the expansion. Rather than sum her feelings up from my perspective, I'd like to encourage those who haven't watched it to watch at least the first 10 minutes.

Some people dislike Zepla's content and are more than happy to jump to the wrong conclusion as a result. Others are happy to jump to the wrong conclusion because it supports their personal beliefs about the state of the game.

It's fine if people are sticking to their own beliefs about the expansion in the discussion but it's a problem if they're trying to say "see, Zepla also hates Endwalker" because that's the way the resident troll set up the presentation. That's not what she said at all.

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Originally Posted by Remish

I absolutely agree with everything you said in this paragraph. I'm entirely on board with it. The "Go play something else" comments really need to stop. At its root, it's fundamentally a "Go touch grass" statement. It's disrespectful and doesn't address anything whatsoever. I would love to see induvials find ways to be persuasive with why they love the game for what it is right now without being condescending about it.

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To be fair, no one owes you any explanation of why they enjoy the game any more than you owe them an explanation of why you're dissatisfied. Neither side needs to convince the other to change their mind. Our opinions are subjective and personal.

But everyone should be allowed to express their opinions freely as long as they stay within the forum rules.

Personally, I'm not here trying to convince people to like the game. I know that not every game is right for every player. It's something every player has to decide for themselves.

What I'm trying to do is encourage players to become smart consumers. If more players would stick to paying for games only when they genuinely enjoy and believe in the current state of the game, developers and publishers would be less likely to rush out half finished products. They would be more responsive in listening to feedback because to get your money they would have to meet your standards.

Maybe if game studios and publishers were only getting paid when players actually like what they're making, game quality would increase. If you're going to continue to pay for something you feel is poor in quality, then it shouldn't be surprising that is what continues to be delivered.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

True, it's sparked discussion but the way it was presented by our frequent suspect OP was misleading about Zepla's comments.

You need to watch at least the first 5 minutes of the video to understand how she feels about the expansion. Rather than sum her feelings up from my perspective, I'd like to encourage those who haven't watched it to watch at least the first 10 minutes.

Some people dislike Zepla's content and are more than happy to jump to the wrong conclusion as a result. Others are happy to jump to the wrong conclusion because it supports their personal beliefs about the state of the game.

It's fine if people are sticking to their own beliefs about the expansion in the discussion but it's a problem if they're trying to say "see, Zepla also hates Endwalker" because that's the way the resident troll set up the presentation. That's not what she said at all.

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Excuse me, how can it be misleading if it's the exact title that she uses ? And the exact quotes that she says ?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

True, it's sparked discussion but the way it was presented by our frequent suspect OP was misleading about Zepla's comments.

You need to watch at least the first 5 minutes of the video to understand how she feels about the expansion. Rather than sum her feelings up from my perspective, I'd like to encourage those who haven't watched it to watch at least the first 10 minutes.

Some people dislike Zepla's content and are more than happy to jump to the wrong conclusion as a result. Others are happy to jump to the wrong conclusion because it supports their personal beliefs about the state of the game.

It's fine if people are sticking to their own beliefs about the expansion in the discussion but it's a problem if they're trying to say "see, Zepla also hates Endwalker" because that's the way the resident troll set up the presentation. That's not what she said at all.

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I'm very saddened to read that you apparently had trouble reading the title of the youtube video mentioned on page 1

Let me help you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9156/image.png

Clearly Titanmen is misleading by literally quoting the title of the video. lmao

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I'm very saddened to read that you apparently had trouble reading the title of the youtube video mentioned on page 1

Let me help you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...9156/image.png

Clearly Titanmen is leading by literally quoting the title of the video. lmao

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That is the title of the video, yeah. However, it's a bit more nuanced than "I hate Endwalker" if you watch the whole thing. The title is more or less clickbait, which I'm guessing is probably why Zepla went with it. She wanted to draw people in so she could make her thoughts heard. The OP was using it as clickbait for their own amusement. There's a difference.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That is the title of the video, yeah. However, it's a bit more nuanced than "I hate Endwalker" if you watch the whole thing. The title is more or less clickbait, which I'm guessing is probably why Zepla went with it. She wanted to draw people in so she could make her thoughts heard. The OP was using it as clickbait for their own amusement. There's a difference.

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The title is more or less clickbait

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But that's her title ? Not Titanmen's ?

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

But that's her title ? Not Titanmen's ?

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Twelve forfend...

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

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Twelve forfend...

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It's pretty funny because you dont get my point

You're blaming Titanmen for Zepla's title, it doesnt matter if Titanmen is "le forum troll" as yall say it, it actually doesnt matter, in this particular case, all he did was quote the exact title of the video, you literally cant put it on him, that's Zepla's title.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That is the title of the video, yeah. However, it's a bit more nuanced than "I hate Endwalker" if you watch the whole thing. The title is more or less clickbait, which I'm guessing is probably why Zepla went with it. She wanted to draw people in so she could make her thoughts heard. The OP was using it as clickbait for their own amusement. There's a difference.

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On the other hand, she didn't title the video "I hate Endwalker." I feel the nuance is reflected well enough in the title, which is a summary of her thoughts regarding this expansion in comparison to other expansions that she has played. I'm not sure how anal we need to be about the title anyway, when the point is that the Endwalker expansion has been something of a letdown in comparison to prior expansions for various reasons.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

It's pretty funny because you dont get my point

You're blaming Titanmen for Zepla's title, it doesnt matter if Titanmen is "le forum troll", it actually doesnt matter, in this particular case, all he did was quote the exact title of the video

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It's like you didn't bother to read my post.

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Originally Posted by MintnHoney

On the other hand, she didn't title the video "I hate Endwalker." I feel the nuance is reflected well enough in the title, which is a summary of her thoughts regarding this expansion in comparison to other expansions that she has played. I'm not sure how anal we need to be about the title anyway, when the point is that the Endwalker expansion has been something of a letdown in comparison to prior expansions for various reasons.

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She didn't, yeah. I'm just saying that people would get the full picture if they watched the vid. Plenty are jumping to the conclusion that she hates EW. The title of the vid makes it clear that she doesn't like it, but there's more to it than that. I am also in agreement with her points. I've been trying to make the same ones for a while now.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

She didn't, yeah. I'm just saying that people would get the full picture if they watched the vid. Plenty are jumping to the conclusion that she hates EW. The title of the vid makes it clear that she doesn't like it, but there's more to it than that. I am also in agreement with her points. I've been trying to make the same ones for a while now.

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Isnt the point of the video link for it to be watched

lmao I'm sorry but this is kinda funny, that's like sending a youtube video to a family member knowing very well they wont watch it

the reason for the link to the video literally existing is for it to be watched, not for people to just read the title, if they only read the title that's on them

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Isnt the point of the video link for it to be watched

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Yes, and?...

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

the reason for the link to the video literally existing is for it to be watched, not for people to just read the title, if they only read the title that's on them

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There we go. At least we got here eventually.

Edit: Nevermind

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yes, and?...

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So what is your point about the thread title then ? The thread title is the name of the video Zepla posted right ?

If people want, they can watch the video to get a clear idea of what Zepla means right ?

So where is the problem and where in the world is it misleading like Jojoya implies

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

So what is your point about the thread title then ? The thread title is the name of the video Zepla posted right ?

If people want, they can watch the video to get a clear idea of what Zepla means right ?

So where is the problem and where in the world is it misleading like Jojoya implies

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You are just being purposely obtuse at this point. Either way, I'm done speaking to you now. Good day.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

You are just being purposely obtuse at this point.

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True, it's sparked discussion but the way it was presented by our frequent suspect OP was misleading about Zepla's comments.

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It literally is not misleading, it's the video's title, and there is a LINK to the video

How is it MISLEADING

lmao

I watched her video and everything she said seemed pretty valid. Tell me where she’s telling lies

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

She didn't, yeah. I'm just saying that people would get the full picture if they watched the vid. Plenty are jumping to the conclusion that she hates EW. The title of the vid makes it clear that she doesn't like it, but there's more to it than that.

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Who is jumping to that conclusion? She thinks Endwalker is the worst expansion and that there are significant issues that need to be addressed. Under no illusion that she "hates" Endwalker. This expansion is the worst, for me. And we still have a year till DT, with no real engaging content. Unless I can convince friends and FC members to go into Eureka or Bozja, you know... STB or SHB content... what EW content is there to keep people engaged with, for a year?

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ChrysOCE

Who is jumping to that conclusion? She thinks Endwalker is the worst expansion and that there are significant issues that need to be addressed. Under no illusion that she "hates" Endwalker. This expansion is the worst, for me. And we still have a year till DT, with no real engaging content. Unless I can convince friends and FC members to go into Eureka or Bozja, you know... STB or SHB content... what EW content is there to keep people engaged with, for a year?

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Hmm... the very likely crossover event with FF16 they'll probably push out when they drop the teaser for the first of those paid DLC's they said were in development? lol

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Hyper copium just for you, I dont think a little bit of copium will do at this point, you need more than that

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Huh? Yoshi-P is referring to the patch being split into two segments - one confirmed for early October and the other confirmed for early January.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Someone is going to correct you but thank you for showing how little you know.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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You realize they always have a x.55 patch right?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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While it’s possible, it would break the formula for the way they release content and no one really expects them to break the cycle. So any 6.6 talk IMHO is wishful thinking. We will wait and see at EU fan fest where we would know more if it’s truly a thing.

Otherwise, it’s all rumor.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

You realize they always have a x.55 patch right?

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This just in vel learns how the patch cycle always works and always had worked

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it would break the formula for the way they release content

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Yes it would. However I am not prepared to dismiss the possibility, given a return to normal working conditions. I may be right, I may be wrong. Either way, Im prepared to wait and see what develops.

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You realize they always have a x.55 patch right?

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Or they may hold it to 6.6 to cover for the supposed six month "drought". We will see.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Your still on the idea that you think were getting a patch 6.6. We are not going to get a 6.6 and in no way has yoship implied we were getting one. The only patch we have left is being split between 6.5 and 6.55 and its the finale if endwalkers and leading up to dawntrail. Since you think were getting a 6.6 what are we going to get in it if were getting the finale and buildup to 7.0.

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes it would. However I am not prepared to dismiss the possibility, given a return to normal working conditions. I may be right, I may be wrong. Either way, Im prepared to wait and see what develops.


Or they may hold it to 6.6 to cover for the supposed six month "drought". We will see.

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Did you even read what was posted earlier ?

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Huh? Yoshi-P is referring to the patch being split into two segments - one confirmed for early October and the other confirmed for early January.

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You can stop coping, it's okay

Let me help you buddy

Patch 3.0: Heavensward
Patch 3.1: As Goes Light, So Goes Darkness
Patch 3.2: The Gears of Change
Patch 3.3: Revenge of the Horde
Patch 3.4: Soul Surrender
Patch 3.5: The Far Edge of Fate

Patch 4.0: Stormblood
Patch 4.1: The Legend Returns
Patch 4.2: Rise of a New Sun
Patch 4.3: Under the Moonlight
Patch 4.4: Prelude in Violet
Patch 4.5: A Requiem for Heroes

Patch 5.0: Shadowbringers
Patch 5.1: Vows of Virtue, Deeds of Cruelty
Patch 5.2: Echoes of a Fallen Star
Patch 5.3: Reflections in Crystal
Patch 5.4: Futures Rewritten
Patch 5.5: Death Unto Dawn

Patch 6.0: Endwalker
Patch 6.1: Newfound Adventure
Patch 6.2: Buried Memory
Patch 6.3: Gods Revel, Lands Tremble
Patch 6.4: The Dark Throne
Patch 6.5: Growing Light

Get it now ?

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Yes it would. However I am not prepared to dismiss the possibility, given a return to normal working conditions. I may be right, I may be wrong. Either way, Im prepared to wait and see what develops.


Or they may hold it to 6.6 to cover for the supposed six month "drought". We will see.

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“Normal work conditions” was SB and HW, they also had a x.55 not a x.6

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

I was reading this lot on my IPAD last night and couldnt stop laughing. Obviously no one paid attention at the last FanFest.

See...Yoshi stated that this next set of MSQ would be in two parts. One is to end the 6.5 storyline and wrap up where we are right now.

The NEXT one will be between 6.5 and 7.0 which means that yes, there may very well BE a 6.6 patch. Go back and see for yourself.

Oh and Fenyx? Im not that concerned with what you and your Koros line of alts have to say. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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Do you honestly, sincerely, believe that? Really? That SQ have secretly been working on an exploratory zone or a firmament 2.0 or something else, that would keep everyone occupied and busy for pre-7.0, but decided not to say one little hint about it and are going to surprise us with it? Come on. Has there ever been a time they dropped actual, significant, content without saying anything before hand? I doubt that there's going to be anything substantial in the next couple fan fests, just expanding on what they have already announced/hinted at.

Even if they actually acknowledged and recognized these issues and wanted to fast track something from 7.0 into post-6.5, do you really think they could do that in time?

All this stuff said, some people have said look at what Mr Happy is saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrVyf3B07SU

I'd like to note someone basically presented him this question of if EW will, in hindsight, be the worst expansion. Without missing a beat, he says no, HW has that dubious honor. He goes into his reasoning why, then lists his best to worst as SB, ShB, EW, ARR, and then HW. His reasoning is that, until 3.4, there was nothing for anyone to do unless they were hardcore raiders, and that even for the raiders, it was kind of Gordias or bust, and many raid groups were not able to clear that content on patch. Happy's been pretty consistent about saying HW almost killed the game again.

Note that he does share the big concern many here have expressed, though: That EW's content largely lacks replayability, something he says that SE needs to address going forward.

So given we're trying to consider the words of content creators, and Happy is PROBABLY the most widely consumed and well known of them, I think it's fair to introduce his position as a more moderate voice of fairness here. Note again, he still DOES share the complaint, but he's got reasoning (and personal experience) behind why he says HW was the worst in this respect and that EW is "in the middle", to use his wording.

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

Someone asked her what I've been saying, and she said yes: She wants to talk these issues directly to Yoshida

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inb4 Zepla is suddenly not invited to the media tour for mysterious reasons


/s

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

“Normal work conditions” was SB and HW, they also had a x.55 not a x.6

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Patch 2.0: A Realm Reborn
Patch 2.1: A Realm Awoken
Patch 2.2: Through the Maelstrom
Patch 2.3: Defenders of Eorzea
Patch 2.4: Dreams of Ice
Patch 2.5: Before the Fall

Patch 3.0: Heavensward
Patch 3.1: As Goes Light, So Goes Darkness
Patch 3.2: The Gears of Change
Patch 3.3: Revenge of the Horde
Patch 3.4: Soul Surrender
Patch 3.5: The Far Edge of Fate

Patch 4.0: Stormblood
Patch 4.1: The Legend Returns
Patch 4.2: Rise of a New Sun
Patch 4.3: Under the Moonlight
Patch 4.4: Prelude in Violet
Patch 4.5: A Requiem for Heroes

Patch 5.0: Shadowbringers
Patch 5.1: Vows of Virtue, Deeds of Cruelty
Patch 5.2: Echoes of a Fallen Star
Patch 5.3: Reflections in Crystal
Patch 5.4: Futures Rewritten
Patch 5.5: Death Unto Dawn

Patch 6.0: Endwalker
Patch 6.1: Newfound Adventure
Patch 6.2: Buried Memory
Patch 6.3: Gods Revel, Lands Tremble
Patch 6.4: The Dark Throne
Patch 6.5: Growing Light

Vel has been playing for so much longer than me (at least according to them), and even I know that, really makes you question things

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Patch 2.0: A Realm Reborn
Patch 2.1: A Realm Awoken
Patch 2.2: Through the Maelstrom
Patch 2.3: Defenders of Eorzea
Patch 2.4: Dreams of Ice
Patch 2.5: Before the Fall

Patch 3.0: Heavensward
Patch 3.1: As Goes Light, So Goes Darkness
Patch 3.2: The Gears of Change
Patch 3.3: Revenge of the Horde
Patch 3.4: Soul Surrender
Patch 3.5: The Far Edge of Fate

Patch 4.0: Stormblood
Patch 4.1: The Legend Returns
Patch 4.2: Rise of a New Sun
Patch 4.3: Under the Moonlight
Patch 4.4: Prelude in Violet
Patch 4.5: A Requiem for Heroes

Patch 5.0: Shadowbringers
Patch 5.1: Vows of Virtue, Deeds of Cruelty
Patch 5.2: Echoes of a Fallen Star
Patch 5.3: Reflections in Crystal
Patch 5.4: Futures Rewritten
Patch 5.5: Death Unto Dawn

Patch 6.0: Endwalker
Patch 6.1: Newfound Adventure
Patch 6.2: Buried Memory
Patch 6.3: Gods Revel, Lands Tremble
Patch 6.4: The Dark Throne
Patch 6.5: Growing Light

Vel has been playing for so much longer than me (at least according to them), and even I know that, really makes you question things

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I find it hard to believe they been around since 2015 and thinking they will suddenly break the formula now and surprise us. Especially since we had 6 months gaps between every .5 patch and expansion release and never gave surprise patches.

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Who will run out of posts first?!! Nobody knows!!!

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Originally Posted by Renathras

All this stuff said, some people have said look at what Mr Happy is saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrVyf3B07SU

I'd like to note someone basically presented him this question of if EW will, in hindsight, be the worst expansion. Without missing a beat, he says no, HW has that dubious honor. He goes into his reasoning why, then lists his best to worst as SB, ShB, EW, ARR, and then HW. His reasoning is that, until 3.4, there was nothing for anyone to do unless they were hardcore raiders, and that even for the raiders, it was kind of Gordias or bust, and many raid groups were not able to clear that content on patch. Happy's been pretty consistent about saying HW almost killed the game again.

Note that he does share the big concern many here have expressed, though: That EW's content largely lacks replayability, something he says that SE needs to address going forward.

So given we're trying to consider the words of content creators, and Happy is PROBABLY the most widely consumed and well known of them, I think it's fair to introduce his position as a more moderate voice of fairness here. Note again, he still DOES share the complaint, but he's got reasoning (and personal experience) behind why he says HW was the worst in this respect and that EW is "in the middle", to use his wording.

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Mr happy and zepla had the same exact criticisms just worded differently. But lets discredit zepla because you like mr happy's wording better and he doesn't make you feel like a victim or attacked like zepla apparently did.

Heavensward also released back in 2015 and we're currently just a handful of months away from it being the year 2024. The first expansion for a game having teething problems is to be expected. Endwalker is the fourth expansion pack for the game and I think it's fair to suggest that a healthy balance in terms of content with staying power for veteran players really should have been actively embraced by the development team by this point.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Heavensward also released back in 2015 and we're currently just a handful of months away from it being the year 2024. The first expansion for a game having teething problems is to be expected. Endwalker is the fourth expansion pack for the game and I think it's fair to suggest that a healthy balance in terms of content with staying power for veteran players really should have been actively embraced by the development team by this point.

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I agree ff14 was still growing when heavansward came out and they were still trying to find there footing and balancing for types of content. Hevansward had issues but being the first expansion it was still a good attempt at providing varied content even with balancing issues and other issues. With endwalkers being the 4th expansion it shouldn't have worse retention then the first expansion.