Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

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Originally Posted by Elim

I'd only play one if they were short and cute like in the second picture. I don't care if some weridos think they look like kids and want to make drama out of it. The same thing happened with lalas and thankfully those weridos stopped posting. lol

I just hate tall giraffe neck character models. :c

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(Article about the contraversy of Tera online and the depiction of the Elin race)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-were-censored

As i stated before, inevitably it brings more hassle than its worth and simply not caring about the issues is something the development team dose not have the luxury of.

(changes made to gear for Elin race to accommodate different regions with more severe laws concerning sexual references and or depictions of youthful characters)

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I want Viera, i would not mind strong tall lithe females and smaller framed lithe males. An elegant but fierce, proud race deeply connected to spiritual forces of Hydalen or a new variant that still holds to their depictions in FFXII. However not children, never that, i would have them more as want than have that wretched form of child player character option.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

(Article about the contraversy of Tera online and the depiction of the Elin race)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...-were-censored

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Mmm, I thought about that aswell.
I don't know if SE want FFXIV to be spoken about as an MMO where people can ERP as small bunny children.

Can I show my un-support? I really dislike the idea of Viera.

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Originally Posted by Alacran

I would say that none of that is ok, is absolutely disgusting and should be reported immediately. People like to bring up the idea of since it's already happening it's ok to add ways to facilitate and encourage depraved/ disgusting acts by introducing even more options to fetishize. That mind set is not only sad (in that one gives into abohrant behavior in doing so rewards it) but incredibly short sided (allowing the spread of said behavior to flourish).
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By that logic, they shouldn't add any new race to avoid players from having bad thoughts? Are you reading these?

Your looking at the same concept art right? They don't look human. Look at the side picture, they're faces resemble that of a rabbits but body proportions of a slight larger lalafell with longer legs. I think you just have a strange way of looking at these character that make them all look like children, in which case your being rather hypocritical right now. Lala's do indeed look like children, but they're simply not. These may look like children, but they're also not. Your making it seem worse than it is. :/

And yes, I'm in full support of Viera as the next race. Not many other candidates are spoken of more than this to begin with.

Lizards and c@s are enough, this isn't a zoo -.-

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Originally Posted by Ririta

Lizards and c@s are enough, this isn't a zoo -.-

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http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/f/a7...0fc0_96x96.jpg

.....yeah, its basically a daycare. -_-

Viera is a race of Ivalice, form Final Fantasy Tactics universe. It is better not mix different universes. And, before someone reply, the Ivalice form Stormblood is not the same Ivalice than Tactics. It is is own version.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

By that logic, they shouldn't add any new race to avoid players from having bad thoughts? Are you reading these?

Your looking at the same concept art right? They don't look human. Look at the side picture, they're faces resemble that of a rabbits but body proportions of a slight larger lalafell with longer legs. I think you just have a strange way of looking at these character that make them all look like children, in which case your being rather hypocritical right now. Lala's do indeed look like children, but they're simply not. These may look like children, but they're also not. Your making it seem worse than it is. :/

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Twist the words as you will, objectification of children will never not elicit a strong biased reaction from me, that said i have never said i did not want a new race of adult characters, characters that the aforementioned issues would not apply to.

The art of the child like Veira i cannot help but think they are simply the child variant of the race, much like every other race has child variants (Au Ra homeland on the way those should be soon to follow, in which case i expect there to be threads asking to play as Au Ra kids...). That being a possibility i feel they are/ never were the option proposed (i concede i could be wrong).

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Twist the words as you will, objectification of children will never not elicit a strong biased reaction from me, that said i have never said i did not want a new race of adult characters, characters that the aforementioned issues would not apply to.

The art of the child like Veira i cannot help but think they are simply the child variant of the race, much like every other race has child variants (Au Ra homeland on the way those should be soon to follow, in which case i expect there to be threads asking to play as Au Ra kids...). That being a possibility i feel they are/ never were the option proposed (i concede i could be wrong).

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Ah, well if thats the case then I guess I don't have much to say to that. That concept art was for the actual race, they just look that way, like Lala's. Maybe they have a more famous idea in mind; I just have no issues with this concept art or any of the others at this point.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Viera is a race of Ivalice, form Final Fantasy Tactics universe. It is better not mix different universes. And, before someone reply, the Ivalice form Stormblood is not the same Ivalice than Tactics. It is is own version.

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Therefore, it can be the Viera of this universe? Its like saying we can't have Mi'qote because they were in FFXI's universe. :/

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Your looking at the same concept art right? They don't look human. Look at the side picture, they're faces resemble that of a rabbits but body proportions of a slight larger lalafell with longer legs. I think you just have a strange way of looking at these character that make them all look like children.

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I don't think they look like children either.

It creeps me out a little that some people think they look like children, then the very next thing they think about is the sexualization of them.

Maybe I'm wrong to be creeped out by these peoples thought process... but I'd never think about this "issue" if these people never brought it up.

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Originally Posted by Elim

but I'd never think about this "issue" if these people never brought it up.

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But others do. And the Media loves it when it comes to sexualising women/girls. Some games already got bad rep amongst certain groups of people.
So personally I think we're trying to protect FFXIV from that to happening when we bring this up.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

But others do. And the Media loves it when it comes to sexualising women/girls. Some games already got bad rep amongst certain groups of people.
So personally I think we're trying to protect FFXIV from that to happening when we bring this up.

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Those certain groups of people your referring to, to me, sound like oversensitive SJWs, for which their opinion doesn't belong in a fantasy game about what looks like what. In the end, no one will hate FFXIV more if they added a race that originally belonged to the FF series, if they did they would be seen as outsiders of the MMO world and Final Fantasy series as a whole. If they weren't already triggered from Lala's, the Viera's shouldn't be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Those certain groups of people your referring to, to me, sound like oversensitive SJWs, for which their opinion doesn't belong in a fantasy game about what looks like what. In the end, no one will hate FFXIV more if they added a race that originally belonged to the FF series, if they did they would be seen as outsiders of the MMO world and Final Fantasy series as a whole. If they weren't already triggered from Lala's, the Viera's shouldn't be a problem.

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SJW may be one of them, but there are more than just SJW that may frown on such things.
Besides, everything everyone is saying are just opinions. I think what I think, you think what you think, he/she/it(?) thinks what he/she/it(?) thinks.

And Lalas look like potatoes and not children. ^^

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

But others do. And the Media loves it when it comes to sexualising women/girls. Some games already got bad rep amongst certain groups of people.
So personally I think we're trying to protect FFXIV from that to happening when we bring this up.

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OK I think it's noble that you want to protect FFXIV, but I still agree with @Kurogaea.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Let me get this straight, as you seem to dismiss my concerns as scaremongering and negativity

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Nah, I just gave a summary of what you said. Then I said I disagreed with it.

Anyway, blitzball and viera are entirely different. Yoshi P's comments on blitzball has no relevance to viera. People may react negatively to blitzball having different gameplay, but may have a different reaction to a new version of viera with normal human hands and feet. I don't believe comparing what the developer's have discussed about blitzball with viera is a valid argument against adding the race.

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*human hands and feet, lore, where they reside from, etc...

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Originally Posted by RosaLunaCelestia

Its maybe out subject but can u give me the link of ur source about blitzball pls ? Maybe missed it

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It was from a gamerescape interview just after the EU fan fest

Here's the link: http://gamerescape.com/2017/02/18/fr...ss-conference/

I'd not discard the possibility of a Viera popping up during the 24-man raid quests (or even MSQ) then having them as a playable race. Something similar happened with Au Ras, after all.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Viera is a race of Ivalice, form Final Fantasy Tactics universe. It is better not mix different universes. And, before someone reply, the Ivalice form Stormblood is not the same Ivalice than Tactics. It is is own version.

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Can you link me an interview where they said that FFXIV Ivalice would be completely unrelated?. So far, if there's an instance/NPC in the game named after a thing from a previous game, the instance/NPC is built with said thing in mind.

Aside from Au Ra every race in XIV are mostly taken from ff XI because the previous person in charge of making XIV was the same person that did XI so there are a lot of similarities between the 2 games in general.

I would love to see Viera as the next race to come to the game I think they would be cute. In my opinion for any ff game they should be sticking with the aspects and basis every game has in common with each which has and always will make final fantasy what it is, making other races into playable ones is one way to keep people interested. For those that would prefere more of a beast type race they could bring in the Yagudo or Orcs from ff XI as a playable race just as an example.

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

Can you link me an interview where they said that FFXIV Ivalice would be completely unrelated?. So far, if there's an instance/NPC in the game named after a thing from a previous game, the instance/NPC is built with said thing in mind.

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In here, to some extent.

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A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told.

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On the issue with the childlike 'Viera,' just a flat out no (I'm not even going to argue points. I would prefer the adult Viera). People can argue they don't look like children, but we all know they'll wind up looking very similar to the Miqo'te children (which we know are children even if they look more like a porcelain anime doll) if they were brought into the game.

Beastmen-type races will never be playable. This has unfortunately been confirmed (in the American or Japanese fan fest. One of those).

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Originally Posted by Nestama

In here, to some extent.



On the issue with the childlike 'Viera,' just a flat out no (I'm not even going to argue points. I would prefer the adult Viera). People can argue they don't look like children, but we all know they'll wind up looking very similar to the Miqo'te children (which we know are children even if they look more like a porcelain anime doll) if they were brought into the game.

Beastmen-type races will never be playable. This has unfortunately been confirmed (in the American or Japanese fan fest. One of those).

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Beastmen are only given those title if intended. Mi'qote could be beastmen but they're Eorzeans, same with Au Ra. Viera are more human like as always so they wouldn't fall unto this category unless they say so.

I was responding to AmalonStar.

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For those that would prefere more of a beast type race they could bring in the Yagudo or Orcs from ff XI as a playable race just as an example.

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This just will not happen because of stupid lore reasons, understandable gear design reasons and another reason I'm choosing to pretend was never said.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Beastmen are only given those title if intended. Mi'qote could be beastmen but they're Eorzeans, same with Au Ra. Viera are more human like as always so they wouldn't fall unto this category unless they say so.

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The distinction is with how reserved and tribally minded the races are. Technically beast races are just as intelligent and reasonable as the spoken races (see beast tribe quests and in particular, the sylphs - we had a sylph in the scions remember), but the difference is that beast tribes keep to their own culture and laws, and are generally hostile to outside appropriation (which usually results in the summoning of a primal). The spoken races on the other hand have merged their societies and created a multicultural environment across eorzea. Technically, the Au ra tribes of the Azim Steppe could be considered beast tribes if they have their own culture and religion outside of the conventions of the spoken races, as could any tribal Miqote that we come across.

The fact is that the real reason we won't play as beast races is they would need to fit into gear, and thats not happening, but it is also true that Viera would need to fit into Eorzean society in a way that makes sense in the lore (which would imply a level of social interaction).

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Originally Posted by BokoToloko

I'd not discard the possibility of a Viera popping up during the 24-man raid quests (or even MSQ) then having them as a playable race. Something similar happened with Au Ras, after all.



Can you link me an interview where they said that FFXIV Ivalice would be completely unrelated?. So far, if there's an instance/NPC in the game named after a thing from a previous game, the instance/NPC is built with said thing in mind.

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It is a Final Fantasy rule. You can have a lot of thing named in the same way as previous games, but only the name and maybe some details, the rest is jsut is own thing.

Examples:

- Garland form FFI is not the same Garland form Mobius or form FFIX.
- Most enemies, Primal, Magic and items names. Like the Excalibur. Excalibur is not the same Excalibur form FFIV, or FFIX.
- Places like Palamecia: Palamecia in FFII is not the same place as Palamecia in Mobius Final Fantasy. Same apply to Cornelia, Lidbum, the Void, Costa del Sol, etc.
- Airships: Like the Enterprise. FFXIV enterprise is not the same as FFIV.

And now, the Crystal Tower. Is based on FFIII and have similar character (but not the same), and has been modified to fit the game Lore as and Ancient Power Plant created by the Allagan, and this is not from FFIII. I think Ivalice will have similarities and probably even character similar to tactics/FFXII, but won't be the same place, will have his own story and Lore inside the game.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

I think Ivalice will have similarities and probably even character similar to tactics/FFXII, but won't be the same place, will have his own story and Lore inside the game.

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To expand your point, the Ascians have deep roots in Ivalice mythos, and are a parallel to the Scions of Darkness from FFXII. Having us go to the real Ivalice will be continuity suicide considering how much the Ascian plot takes from Ivalice.

My hope is that Ivalice will be an Ascian focused raid (makes sense considering all raids have been void themed and how connected the ascians are with Ivalice), and that we may meet some of the other Ascians and get more backstory on them. What we know about the Ascians is that they are all from different worlds, with Elidibus and Lahabrea being from the source, perhaps Ivalice is where they came from when they were people.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

If they weren't already triggered from Lala's, the Viera's shouldn't be a problem.

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Agreed.
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I would love them to be split into two tribes like that (short/cute, vs fierce/elegant). I've never been personally attached to the race, but I think they'd offer a more unique alternative to Miqo'te.

But I would take more customization over a new race any day lol. And don't you dare quote "why not both" at me. Why not both? Because that's not how irl works. You don't just snap your fingers and demand more of the budget be devoted to superficial items. A lot of it is spoken for in developing proper content.

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

I would love them to be split into two tribes like that (short/cute, vs fierce/elegant). I've never been personally attached to the race, but I think they'd offer a more unique alternative to Miqo'te.

But I would take more customization over a new race any day lol. And don't you dare quote "why not both" at me. Why not both? Because that's not how irl works. You don't just snap your fingers and demand more of the budget be devoted to superficial items. A lot of it is spoken for in developing proper content.

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Which makes me sad, since I wanted a Viera race, but then Yoshida said we would not get a new race. So I started hoping that this meant SE would focus on more customization, but then Yoshida said that this would also not happen. I think even if we wont get Viera next expansion, we will probably also not get more customization.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Which makes me sad, since I wanted a Viera race, but then Yoshida said we would not get a new race. So I started hoping that this meant SE would focus on more customization, but then Yoshida said that this would also not happen. I think even if we wont get Viera next expansion, we will probably also not get more customization.

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Aww, I would like at least one or the other. Yes I'd like more customization, but if we can't have that, a new race is a decent way to shake it up for a little while at least. </3 Maybe it'll come in a patch. \o/ There is always hope.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

with Elidibus and Lahabrea being from the source, perhaps Ivalice is where they came from when they were people.

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The Source is the Hydaelyn we're on. As I posted before,

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A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told.

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

Aww, I would like at least one or the other. Yes I'd like more customization, but if we can't have that, a new race is a decent way to shake it up for a little while at least. </3 Maybe it'll come in a patch. \o/ There is always hope.

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And a new race has more customization then them just working on new stuff for already existing races, even more so with the rabbit ears needing hair moved around them. More customized stuff would be a lot easier to do than an entire new race.

though if they're ever added, I will call them Viera Sausages

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Originally Posted by Nestama

The Source is the Hydaelyn we're on. As I posted before,

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Yes, I should have clarified that in my speculation, the Ivalice that Elidibus and Lahabrea are from is a separate entity from FFXII and tactics Ivalice, much like how the crystal tower is an allagan creation, and Xande is King of the Allag. Ivalice would be a nation somewhere on or around Othard

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Originally Posted by SeriousxSarcasm

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"To me, it doesn't matter what we get first; viera or an expansion of current customization. As long as we DO get viera, the order doesn't matter."

If they give us hose viera adult look, I would totally give my support. I would like to see adult versions for male and female.

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Originally Posted by jake200135

You know, that isn't a bad idea. The character in that picture looks to be about the height and weight of alphinoe and alisae (I hope I spelled their names right), so I think if they made Viera about their size, it would turn out pretty good. I just don't think they should make Viera big and intimidating. When I think of bunnies, I think they're cute, not scary.

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Yeah, I've seen a few people mention they'd like Alphinaud's body type: small and slim. Would be interesting to see male viera with this body type.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I think even if we wont get Viera next expansion, we will probably also not get more customization.

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That's a bit of a bummer.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Yeah, I've seen a few people mention they'd like Alphinaud's body type: small and slim. Would be interesting to see male viera with this body type.

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But doesnt the smaller Viera look alot like teens? I remember Yoshida saying somewhere that characters that look like teenagers might make it harder for them to sell the game outside of Japan, this is why we dont have a teen looking character. Lalafell while they look young, they fit the gnomes section more then children.

I want to play as the smaller Viera, but I reckon SE does not want unleash the shitstorm that a teen looking character might bring to FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

But doesnt the smaller Viera look alot like teens? I remember Yoshida saying somewhere that characters that look like teenagers might make it harder for them to sell the game outside of Japan, this is why we dont have a teen looking character. Lalafell while they look young, they fit the gnomes section more then children.

I want to play as the smaller Viera, but I reckon SE does not want unleash the shitstorm that a teen looking character might bring to FFXIV.

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Eh, I like both tall and small, so I'd be ok with either... or both.

I love see viera as race i think be cool if they are one introduce beast master and blue mage as jobs to the other races.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

I love see viera as race i think be cool if they are one introduce beast master and blue mage as jobs to the other races.

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I think dancer would be really fitting, too.