Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)

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BIGOTED?! I have no idea what could have gained that kind of accusation but alright.
-why is this 50 pages? Surely pressing 'skip this cutscene' isnt that hard...the quests are quite short. The dungeons were fast and easy and some even had cute drop rewards. Like..huh?? You guys wanted to Bozja instead? Is that what I'm getting from all this? How is skipping some cutscenes worse than Snooze-ja

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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Do you have Examples?

I really feel like the weirdest responses to this are "omg the hildibrand questline is so long" like ok super maybe you shouldve been keeping up all these years? But also we have until August to get it did and its really not that long, its just 98% cutscenes and involves 0 grindery.
Also you should do hildibrand quests anyway bc then you can unlock the scholasticate questline which, on top of being very well-written, unlocks a great glam and the /glassestilt anime cliche emote for all glasses enjoyers.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

535 relics were definitely BIS for TEA. Which does qualify as end-game.



It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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No we should make fun of old people who are forever stuck in the days of old.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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Maybe someday westerners realized it's also Japanese comedian style :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

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Maybe someday westerners realized it's also Japanese comedian style :)

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Nah, everything has to be american and fit the western audience.
No other culture is allowed to share and express their type of Humor and culture.

If I could travel back in time and see what the outrage threads looked like when Eureka was announced.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

Hildibrand for relic is just... not good. My issues with it holistically:
1) I don't like the idea of forcing every end-game player to go through the worst written and most bigoted quest in ffxiv(Specifically Heavensward Hildibrand, not Hildibrand as a whole)
2) It's bad form to make new players go through four expansions of an optional sidequest to access progression content.

My personal issue aside from the above is that I'm pretty confident this means we're getting gaudy, hideous weapons because gaudy and exaggerated is what Manderville stands for. But meh, that's not a big deal - I can just glam over it. Also... I think it's a real shame to not leverage ANY of the fascinating expert craftspeople we have in Endwalker that are story relevant who have unique and amazing visual styles for this.

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Besides the Relic not being end game raider content, They had us do Bozjan for the last one, the most insulting quest chain in all of Final Fantasy, one that caused me to hate a player race in it's entirety. If I could tolerate that insufferable quest, you can skip cut scenes on happy silly slap stick.

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Originally Posted by Elesh

It's full of ablist, ageist humour. Which is DEFINITELY bigotry.

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And you were fine with actual Racism, R***, Mind Control, and a huge list of serious issues in Bozjan? Like Seriously, yet I bet you are the first to call anyone older than you "Boomer".

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Besides the Relic not being end game raider content, They had us do Bozjan for the last one, the most insulting quest chain in all of Final Fantasy, one that caused me to hate a player race in it's entirety. If I could tolerate that insufferable quest, you can skip cut scenes on happy silly slap stick.

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It's not often that I get the chance to speak in defense of Hrothgar as they were implemented in-game but Bozja did a lot to redeem their racial lore in my eyes. Instead of brutes and miners they were shown to be cunning and capable of sophisticated political manipulations and cruel betrayals. I dislike Bajsaljen for his ideals but I can respect that they went out of their way to make him a doctor of sorts along with other resistance members who weren't just "strong lion men." If Misija had actually been a female Hrothgar the storyline would have been all the better, but she made good use of the screentime she was given.

The Hrothgar race would have been underserved had the Shadowbringers relic decided to focus on Manderville-level nonsense. Instead, they were fleshed out and given a firm place in FFXIV's world. If only the Corvosi could have been afforded similar treatment. Oh well. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by Kazhar

I think both your definitions of "casual" and "not needed" are huge stretches.



This is rich coming from someone who is so desperate to be right that you stretch the definition of casual to "anyone not clearing DSR immediatly after its release". When all I said was the apparently groundbreaking fact that relics are not just cosmetic for dedicated endgame players.

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I never said immediately, 5.11 to 5.55 is over a year. That's pretty casual.

but whatever.... keep farming the forums for likes and validation of your incorrect statements. :D

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I never said immediately, 5.11 to 5.55 is over a year. That's pretty casual.

but whatever.... keep farming the forums for likes and validation of your incorrect statements. :D

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Are you a casual player then?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

It's not often that I get the chance to speak in defense of Hrothgar as they were implemented in-game but Bozja did a lot to redeem their racial lore in my eyes. Instead of brutes and miners they were shown to be cunning and capable of sophisticated political manipulations and cruel betrayals. I dislike Bajsaljen for his ideals but I can respect that they went out of their way to make him a doctor of sorts along with other resistance members who weren't just "strong lion men." If Misija had actually been a female Hrothgar the storyline would have been all the better, but she made good use of the screentime she was given.

The Hrothgar race would have been underserved had the Shadowbringers relic decided to focus on Manderville-level nonsense. Instead, they were fleshed out and given a firm place in FFXIV's world. If only the Corvosi could have been afforded similar treatment. Oh well. Carry on.

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The Bozja story really just cements a) how little the devs care about hrothgar and b) how evil every non-au ra/viera/hroth race is.
Point A) no hrothgar gets to do anything besides be canon fodder in the story. We dont get to save Dabog, we DO save Lovro but hes still somehow tempered despite detempering taking 4 seconds any other time, Baj and Marsak more a naziass traitor instead of their fallen comrades.
Point B) not a single villain in Bozja (or anything having to do with Garlemald) is a non-Eorzean race. Plenty of Miqote, Lala, Roe, and Elves saw Garlemald round up civilians for hypertuning experiments and a "one race" philosophy and said "oh that sounds super!" but not one Au Ra or Viera works for Garleans and all the hrothgar who did were conscripts due to occupation of their homelands (Bajsaljens notes even state the national race of Bozja couldnt marry without Garlean gov. approval!) or were kidnapped and experimented on (Dabog).

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Are you a casual player then?

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Takes one to know one, doesn't it?

Before it gets twisted, I'm no slacker in the harder content. I just like to keep the stress to a minimum.

I honestly think that the Hildebrand requirement is just to not break story threads. People tend to forget that Godbert is supposedly one of the best artisan in all of Eorzea and this method is a easy way to get weapon contest winners designs out without having to make similar thematic weapons for other classes.

But for the questline humor is highly subjective and is highly understandable why people are quick to be cautious of this line.

To me, this questline could go one of two ways.

One: the typical Hildebrand experience

Two: Syndicate route elaborating on the Syndicate role in new Ul'dah

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

I honestly think that the Hildebrand requirement is just to not break story threads. People tend to forget that Godbert is supposedly one of the best artisan in all of Eorzea and this method is a easy way to get weapon contest winners designs out without having to make similar thematic weapons for other classes.

But for the questline humor is highly subjective and is highly understandable why people are quick to be cautious of this line.

To me, this questline could go one of two ways.

One: the typical Hildebrand experience

Two: Syndicate route elaborating on the Syndicate role in new Ul'dah

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This. People forget Godbert has shown up in more serious situations. I'm fuzzy on the details myself (it's been a while), but I think Gold Saucer employees are mostly Ala Mhigan refugees.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

This. People forget Godbert has shown up in more serious situations. I'm fuzzy on the details myself (it's been a while), but I think Gold Saucer employees are mostly Ala Mhigan refugees.

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You are correct, the Gold Saucer hired quite a few refugees, and pays them a good wage. Godbert's a very smart businessman and expert crafter, so it's very possible this relic questline could in fact be him crafting masterpieces with Gerolt to help with a charity...while also catching the eye of multiple weapon collectors who wouldn't be afraid to spend a pretty penny to get a hold of these weapons. Killing multiple birds with one stone.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Takes one to know one, doesn't it?

Before it gets twisted, I'm no slacker in the harder content. I just like to keep the stress to a minimum.

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If you're so casual, where are your ulti clears then?

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

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What content is being lost exactly? There is no tried n true rules that every expac needs an expedition zone, same as there's no rule saying every expac needs to have a deep dungeon. You can't exactly claim "there's no reason it can't be done" as you don't work there nor do you know about any of the inner workings. Ain't up to any of us to make that call.
Not important to the MSQ...you could completely bypass Eureka and Bozja and be perfectly fine in SB and ShB msqs so that logic makes zero sense. And if your logic is you don't care about characters outside of the msq then...why do you like Eureka and Bozja? Do you run alliance raids? Normal Raids? All of that isn't centric to the msq.

Half the player base doesn't like that quest line? Well guess what? The expedition lovers (myself included) have gotten zones for 2 expacs now. If we're going to be fair it seems to me like stepping away from that in EW is apt. Try something different from these last few years for those who may not like those zones. To many folks here are only thinking about "me me me me me". That's not how this works. And again I say this as someone who enjoys these zones.
Lastly what's meaningless varies by the person. Devs put alot of work into savage yet they know most of the plaerbase won't touch it same with ultimate. I'd say just skipping cutscenes does hold up here. Not every player is gonna be immersed in every piece of content dude. This take or you're is extremely self centered

To paraphrase what everyone says in the housing complaint threads: you're not entitled to a relic. However, you can take solace in that at least doing the Hildebrand quests is possible.

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

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Why should the ivalice raids be done anyway or alliance raids in general?

"Long"?

Oh I miss the old MMO community where people actually enjoyed playing the game instead of having everything handled in a golden plate.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

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Why should the ivalice raids be done anyway or alliance raids in general?

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I started back up in ShB after quitting early HW.

I skipped every last AR I could. Got the first ivalice raid and spent almost the full lockout wiping on it trying to start the relic, said "nope" and quit.

Now I *have* to do Void ark.

Bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

i really don't see the reason why people think a legendary blacksmith that so far allways delivered on epicness factor of weapons paired with the greatest goldsmith in the land that has shown to be perfectly capable of producing normal looking artisinal pieces would hand us some gaudy joke weapon as anything but maybe some early stage joke stuff, especially as square is well aware that the long term value of these weapons is for glamour.

also on people arguing on the seriousness of the quests themselves i have to wonder if they ever paid attention to the other relic weapons.

aside from shadowbringers gunnhildr stuff literally half the questlines were repeated "look at that bald bum gerold, he is so fucking broke and a complete drunkard" jokes. oh and he is soooo fearfull of rowena, lets laugh a bit more about him. heck, arr relics in particular was the culmination of two drunkards working together and among other things dipping the freaking thing into rum.

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Yeah honestly, I'm biased here because I love the Hildibrand quests, but I am soooo tired of every quest just ragging on Geralt for being drunk and useless when he's not being a brilliant crafter and having a crush on Rowena who clearly cares about him but like ughhh I like the characters but the humor just is not even a little bit funny to me anymore, I'd literally rather see Gerolt get his crap together as an entire plotline than deal with one more crappy joke at his expense at this point. Hildy's quests are absurd and ridiculous but they're infinitely more fun for me than that.

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.


All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do.

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If you say that having to do Ivalice was not as bad because you should have already done it: The exact same can be said for Hildibrand. If you had already done them when they came out you would not have to do anything new to unlock this questline when it drops.

But just as people have not done Hildibrand, others have not done Ivalice.

Ivalice is also more than just a few raids (and I am not really sure how much you can unsynch them) because it also has quite long cutscenes. Someone on reddit did the Hildibrand quests on an Alt character to see how long they take and she needed around 2 hours. So 2-3 hours max if you skip the cutscenes. I really doubt that Ivalice is much shorter. Heck I believe that with the raids themselves you can take much longer too, especially if you have to wait as a DD.

About the expedition zone: Only half of the existing relic questslines have them. Just because we had two expansion in a row with new zones for it, does not mean that its something that we can realistically demand for each one afterswards. It really depends on what the devs have planned. This expansion we will get our own big private island. That alone is a zone itself. On top of that we get new dungeons with different paths. There might have simply not be enough time left to also make new zones for the relic quests too.

And there is also a chance that they simply looked at the numbers of people doing the old relics in those zones and decided that the money and time is better invested in something else. After all its only content for a rather small amount of players. (And people really did not like Eureka, at least here on the forum...but if I remember it right the Lucky Bancho also did not show great numbers too)

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

Feel like people are missing the idea when they continue to make comparisons to Bozja and Eureka. Bozja requiring just one set of raids (that should have been done anyway) from one expansion that can be done unsynced is not the same as having to sit through older side content (that doesn't need to be done, unlike alliance raids) from each expansion leading up to this one. Not to mention half of the player base doesn't even like said side content.

To bring up my point from earlier, I'm pretty sure the dev team intentions when tying stuff like this together isn't: "just skip the cutscenes" but probably the opposite actually. This is their hardwork and dedication that we're talking about, it's kind of like shooting yourself in the foot. The argument of "just skip the cutscenes" doesn't work for players that wish to feel immersed in what they're doing and not waste their time on meaningless jokey stuff. Keyword there being: meaningless.

Jokes and casual time in the game after all the fighting is fine, that's not the complaint here. The complaint is that not only do we have to deal with a crappy side quest that half of the players don't like, we then have to build weapons centered around ANOTHER piece of content that half of the players don't like. Half of us don't go to the gold saucer/don't enjoy doing anything there. "Cool characters" and "master goldsmith" be damned, they're not important to the MSQ and never have been. Why should I care about them?

All of this is on top of the fact that we're probably not getting another expedition zone, even if not everyone likes it there's still people that do. The game is only growing and getting bigger so there should be 0 reason why we need to drop content (that plenty of people participate in, mind you) to add more. Criterion dungeons and all of that stuff is cool but I don't think it should warrant the need to drop expedition stuff. "They need to manage their resources" well I'm one of those people that think since they have the money there's no reason why it can't be done. Hire more ppl, do something. Us losing content as the game grows and not getting enough in return is simply just not right.

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Ivalice doesn't 'need' to be done, it's entirely optional side content like Hildibrand is, you either do it or you don't, there is no consequence. I didn't even touch Ivalice until after it was announced as being a requirement for the relic.

"Half of the player-base doesn't even like said side content" is a very bold claim that you are making and one I would go out on a limb to say you don't have a shred of substantial evidence to support this.

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Originally Posted by Seger

"Long"?

Oh I miss the old MMO community where people actually enjoyed playing the game instead of having everything handled in a golden plate.

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Man, I may be one of those gosh darned zoomers but I'm willing to sit through wipes in Alliance Raids multiple times over doing a quest chain I'm really not interested in. It's why eventually people were weaned off of Job quests because they were forced onto people so much. Questing outside of MSQ is unengaging for me, but at least Eureka/Bozja had combat content in between.

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Man, I may be one of those gosh darned zoomers but I'm willing to sit through wipes in Alliance Raids multiple times over doing a quest chain I'm really not interested in. It's why eventually people were weaned off of Job quests because they were forced onto people so much. Questing outside of MSQ is unengaging for me, but at least Eureka/Bozja had combat content in between.

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Sorry you don't want to quest in a PvE questing based MMO.

Jesus Dude just do the damn thing and stop complaining.

Skip all the cutscenes and it will be done in a few hours.

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Originally Posted by Seger

Sorry you don't want to quest in a PvE questing based MMO.

Jesus Dude just do the damn thing and stop complaining.

Skip all the cutscenes and it will be done in a few hours.

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You're complaining about people complaining... "Jesus, stop complaining, dude"!

What's with that tone? Need an afternoon nap? Jeez. I won't be doing it because I already had little reason to do Relics. Am I not allowed to say "wow, that's a kinda silly decision"? Oh, oops. I'm not.

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

You're complaining about people complaining... "Jesus, stop complaining, dude"!

What's with that tone? Need an afternoon nap? Jeez. I won't be doing it because I already had little reason to do Relics. Am I not allowed to say "wow, that's a kinda silly decision"? Oh, oops. I'm not.

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You know what's silly?

OG ARR Relic questline.

That was silly... this is nothing.

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You know what's silly?

OG ARR Relic questline.

That was silly... this is nothing.

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He's right, when the curtain closed for the segway in the middle of "that" scene in the waking sands I though "That's a bit silly".

For those complaining about Hildibrand still, going to drop a Reddit thread here. They checked how long it takes to be done with Hildibrand to current via skipping cutscenes and everything. Their answer? 2-3 hours. That is why a lot of us are finding the complaints to be really questionable and stupid. If you don't like the questline, you can spend 2-3 hours of your life, get it done, and never worry about it again. And you have until like October to do it. So my question here is, why are you complaining and not doing it when it takes such little time? Why aren't you just getting it over with? Outside of today's maintenance, I mean.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

For those complaining about Hildibrand still, going to drop a Reddit thread here. They checked how long it takes to be done with Hildibrand to current via skipping cutscenes and everything. Their answer? 2-3 hours. That is why a lot of us are finding the complaints to be really questionable and stupid. If you don't like the questline, you can spend 2-3 hours of your life, get it done, and never worry about it again. And you have until like October to do it. So my question here is, why are you complaining and not doing it when it takes such little time? Why aren't you just getting it over with? Outside of today's maintenance, I mean.

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My issue with this decision is the lack of world building. I work for a living so I know it's pretty sweet to reuse things to make an existing job easier but it does feel a bit cheap that instead of new lore or a questline that fleshes out the world we get told, "Do this existing questline if you want a relic". I thought they were making a relic quest line, not a prerequisite to pad out time like they were making another beast tribe quest. Why fight it at this point, I just wish the devs would do something so erroneous that it will finally chase me off, lol.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

My issue with this decision is the lack of world building. I work for a living so I know it's pretty sweet to reuse things to make an existing job easier but it does feel a bit cheap that instead of new lore or a questline that fleshes out the world we get told, "Do this existing questline if you want a relic". I thought they were making a relic quest line, not a prerequisite to pad out time like they were making another beast tribe quest. Why fight it at this point, I just wish the devs would do something so erroneous that it will finally chase me off, lol.

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Except Hildibrand world builds, just not in a way you expect. The ARR questline alone goes into what happened to Sil'dih.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Except Hildibrand world builds, just not in a way you expect. The ARR questline alone goes into what happened to Sil'dih.

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I'm saying it's lazy to reuse an existing questline for something like a relic, nothing more.
P.S. the Sil'dih revelation was during the pld questline, not the ARR msq.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

I'm saying it's lazy to reuse an existing questline for something like a relic, nothing more.
P.S. the Sil'dih revelation was during the pld questline, not the ARR msq.

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I meant the ARR Hildibrand questline.

I thought the choice of tying the relic to the Hildibrand quests was quite a polarizing choice. But holy damn, this is one of those contents I'm not aware it has more of its fair share of (for the lack of better words) haters.

I remember trying to like the questline, but the 2.1 to 2.55 quests burnt me out real quick. I started skipping from HW and onward. Come 6.1 patch few months ago, I actually tried to 'like it' again. I read the dialogues and watched all the cutscenes (plus point for the improved animation, it makes the experience more enjoyable). Quite possibly one of the cringiest moment I ever had from XIV gameplay. Not that I hate it, but if I'm asked to stomach something alike for the rest of major patches especially when it's related to relic weapons.. I don't know anymore lol.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I meant the ARR Hildibrand questline.

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They do touch upon that during the Hildy ARR line though the pld questline is the meat of the sil'dih lore imo. Again, Hilibrand is whatever. I just find it very odd that every relic questline had a new questline to do that builds the world or give us new lore. With this sudden prerequisite I would bet that the new stuff will be much smaller in comparison due to the fact that since the Hildy questline is long enough to warrant a few 8 man fights, I believe they will use that as justification to write less lore/story into the relic step. Feel free to prove me wrong devs, I would rather be pleasantly surprised than right.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

it's lazy to reuse an existing questline for something like a relic

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except they aren't "reusing" an existing questline any more than they "reused" the ivalice raids to get you into bozja, or how they decided with shadowbringers to "reuse" the crystal tower questline to lead into shadowbringers. its a prerequisite to a new questline to do the old stuff that came before it and if you like hildibrand you will most likely have great fun with it, if not than yea, sorry for you but you will survive, just like i survived bozja (or the ivalice raids for that matter, both just absolutely don't interest me and my life went on fine)