Predictions for job(s) in the next expansion?

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Personally I'd be happy to see it be a job focused on creating terrain effects and controlling enemy positioning, like using Tornado to gather a wide number of enemies in one spot and Flood to create a continuous environmental hazard. It could be a potential take on a DoT caster if it was about creating similar environmental effects, like using the aforementioned totems. Toss in the ability to place safe-zones to teleport to similar to BLM's Between the Lines for a bit of the ol' razzle dazzle.

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Alright this sounds really interesting. Not entirely sure how i feel about a GEO healer, though(suggested in other threads). Sch was a stretch, but it worked pretty well with how they handled it, initially imo. This right here though, if they do something interesting with either the totems, or lay lines, or maybe positioning of 2=3 markers/flags/lightning rods or any combination of the ideas, and make it functional, would be really interesting to play. Honestly wouldnt care if they gave it like a regen/healing utility like rdm, as long as its main focus is damage and battlefield control

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

We do have some backstory on Geomancer as of Stormblood, since they're playing a bit closer to the Fengshui theme of the job than the environment-focused caster of previous games.
Kyokuho is known by the title "of the Wind and Water" and discusses the "flow" of Geomancy, in addition to using variations on Aero and Stone, while the Swallow's Compass instance opens with chambers devoted to Earth, Water and Wind. I think we can say those will probably be its main elements, though I wouldn't write off Fire either (since Swallow's Compass ends in the "Heart of the Dragon").

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Well there isn't a rule saying Geomancer is only from Othard. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the next xpac takes us to West with a focus on North American and South American influence.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Personally I'd be happy to see it be a job focused on creating terrain effects and controlling enemy positioning, like using Tornado to gather a wide number of enemies in one spot and Flood to create a continuous environmental hazard. It could be a potential take on a DoT caster if it was about creating similar environmental effects, like using the aforementioned totems. Toss in the ability to place safe-zones to teleport to similar to BLM's Between the Lines for a bit of the ol' razzle dazzle.

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Honestly I don't think this would work based on the game design. How could you control an enemies position in say Eden Raids or a Trial? Further more we already have a DoT/Pet Caster Job. The element wheel concept is very Final Fantasy and adds a new gameplay style do the role.

For example: The Geo would start off casting a FIRE based spell and adds a buff to ICE based spells. Then ICE would buff WIND. After that combo the ability of a LIGHT based attack would open and debuff the target to DARK after casting.
(Fire > Ice > Wind = Light) -> (Lightning > Earth > Water = Dark)

In this we have a Caster with a unique combo type system. Obviously there would be things added like maybe Totems and Wards but the basic concept would be that.

That is why I like the idea of limited jobs....You can low-key break the mechanic mold.

Rune Fencer was popular in 11, so there is that.

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Not entirely sure how i feel about a GEO healer, though(suggested in other threads). Sch was a stretch, but it worked pretty well with how they handled it, initially imo. This right here though, if they do something interesting with either the totems, or lay lines, or maybe positioning of 2=3 markers/flags/lightning rods or any combination of the ideas, and make it functional, would be really interesting to play. Honestly wouldnt care if they gave it like a regen/healing utility like rdm, as long as its main focus is damage and battlefield control

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Oh, to be clear, I don't think GEO should be a healer at all. A DPS with some utility, fine, but even then I'd say it's stretching to give it healing (especially when SMN and RDM both do already). There's very little it could really offer to a dedicated healer role without shamelessly stealing from WHM or SCH (since we already have Sacred Soil and Asylum). My hope for the next healer is that it will provide a more distinctive playstyle (like the Battle Healer I've proposed before, attack enemies to build resources for oGCD heals) instead of just borrowing another and contributing to homogeny.

I mean hell, that's already an issue we have with AST – each of its Sects is just an attempt to substitute out a WHM or SCH in raid compositions. I personally hope the next healer comes with a revamp to the healing role, to make each of the healers more distinctive in terms of gameplay in addition to utility. Like by all means have WHM be the Green DPS with high GCD potency and cost efficiency, but maybe lift its HoT focus and make that more AST's thing (more in line with its Time Mage inspiration)? Give WHM back Protect, or change Medica II to be a +healing% effect or something like Plenary Indulgence? Focus on SCH as a job that swaps stances between barrier healing and attacking depending on the advantage they spot, or mixes them up by using faeries?

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly I don't think this would work based on the game design. How could you control an enemies position in say Eden Raids or a Trial? Further more we already have a DoT/Pet Caster Job.

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Couple things:

1. Most enemies in the game have programmed-in vulnerability to effects like knockback and status effects. In this hypothetical, Tornado and Flood are part of the AoE rotation, and Tornado would suction enemies vulnerable to knockback into one spot to pull them to the tank more quickly and make AoE easier for other jobs; if they're invulnerable to knockback, as most Bosses are, the spell could still have other effects like increased vulnerability to Flood and some innate Wind damage, even without altering their positions. As with NIN's Doton, SMN's Slipstream and AST's Earthly Star, the hope is that tanks would at least hold adds within Flood's proximity to get more mileage out of it.

2. I'm aware of SMN's role, just as I'm aware a lot of SMN's are critical of it presently. My personal hope is that the next caster DPS job can alleviate some of the stress on SMN, taking some of the weight (like being a DoT caster) so SMN can be revamped to refocus its core kit (like on being a pet-focused Summoner).
2.5. Is SMN even really a DoT caster anymore, anyway? It has a second DoT, fine, but it has next to no interaction with them or payoff from them, the entire point of Tri-Disaster and Trance interaction is avoiding casting them at all and the requirement to have them to buff Fester just feels like a chore. Compare it to BRD where the DoTs actually reward you for upkeep and affect your rotation via Songs; SMN's are completely disconnected from its spells and main rotation, arguably BLM has more interaction with its DoTs thanks to Thundercloud. It's a far cry from the job that managed those two, Shadowflare and Miasma II. At this point it seems like the very definition of "having a DoT for the sake of a DoT".

3. What I described with the stance-based suggestion right below the section you quoted is essentially a simplified version of what you suggested with the elemental wheel – I even mentioned increasing the target's vulnerability to another element in the sequence. I think the trouble with your suggestion is that bringing in all 6-8 elements would be extraneous if they have little to no distinction between them, while limiting it to more like 2-4 is easier for the devs to set each one's role apart within the kit.
For instance, Wind could be a phase of instant spammable spells and mobility, Water of support buffs and periodic damage that ramps up, Earth of defensive skills and slow heavy hits for burst, and Fire as a powerful nonsequential finisher that must be built up to. Your normal rotation would involve swapping as you build up the target's vulnerability to the next element in the sequence (Wind->Water->Earth->repeat or whatever order), while fights would compel you to swap stances earlier in response (since you would want to be in Earth for a DPS check, but Wind for running and Water to up DoTs when the boss comes back).

I'd honestly be disappointed to see Beastmaster as a Limited Job.
Lyon is a Beastmaster but he never fights along his beast. He's alone during Castrum and the duel.

What is really intriguing is that Lyon uses the same skills as Ilberd.
For reference Ilberd casts were often named after beasts such as "Claw of the griffin", "LionsHead"...
Lyon and Ilberd shares the same animation for their tankbuster and Sanguine Blade. I think there is more than reused assets.

If BST was implemented, I'd enjoy it as a regular job with a rotation that calls upon beasts like SMN does with Demi.
At most, they could add a Pokemon battle system with beasts but that would be a lot of work.

I just want it to be some sort of melee caster (opposite ratio of the red mage as far as magic and melee goes) or melee healer.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

I'd honestly be disappointed to see Beastmaster as a Limited Job.
Lyon is a Beastmaster but he never fights along his beast. He's alone during Castrum and the duel.

What is really intriguing is that Lyon uses the same skills as Ilberd.
For reference Ilberd casts were often named after beasts such as "Claw of the griffin", "LionsHead"...
Lyon and Ilberd shares the same animation for their tankbuster and Sanguine Blade. I think there is more than reused assets.

If BST was implemented, I'd enjoy it as a regular job with a rotation that calls upon beasts like SMN does with Demi.
At most, they could add a Pokemon battle system with beasts but that would be a lot of work.

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Interestingly enough, PLD loses Flash, which i believe ilberd uses in the fight to stun and blind people

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

Interestingly enough, PLD loses Flash, which i believe ilberd uses in the fight to stun and blind people

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The attack is Flash Powder and the animation has him throwing the Flash Powder on the ground where it explodes into a bright light that stuns people. He basically just chucks a flash grenade at his feet so it's a bit different from Flash.

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Originally Posted by Beddict

The attack is Flash Powder and the animation has him throwing the Flash Powder on the ground where it explodes into a bright light that stuns people. He basically just chucks a flash grenade at his feet so it's a bit different from Flash.

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Ah alright. All i remember vividly from his fight is "SLOPPEH"

The only thing I want is a full fledged caster using darkness, be it necromancer or some iteration of time mage (we've seen at least two darkness users making use of time magicks - Gaia and Nabriales.) Possibly Onmyoji, if the concept were adapted properly. There is room for a DOT niche as SMN moves towards a focus on its demi egis and trances.

I'm keen to see what they do for a healer.

This is more of speculation over the entirety of the game, as I see FFXIV going for at least a few more expansions if they keep going strong like ShB. FFXIV has limitations for healers and tanks that they keep saying they are having issues working around so lets use those limitations but add some flare.

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Viking - uses one-handed maces and shared shields with the paladin. Uses lightning attacks that slow an enemy's attacks. In general, the viking is much tankier with slower but powerful hits. You could add some pirate aesthetics to it too with cannons and balista as in FF3 they were essentially pirates. Imagine pulling a cannon out of your pocket and blasting the target. That would be super cool! They could have an ability that takes a portion of the damage another player takes similar to their provoke ability in FF3 remake. (The viking places the buff on the other tank and takes a portion of the tank buster) Make them have no self-healing but have them take less damage or ignore a % of damage either through blocking with the shield and taking hits less often through their lightning abilities. (IE a warrior gets hit for 10k damage a viking 8k) This gives the tanks a bit of a difference. Effectively it's the same but it feels different. LB3 lightning crashes down blasting a bunch of rocks into a wall in front of the party.

Maiming Melee:
Mystic Knight / Rune Fencer etc - One handed axe with a magic focus similar to Red Mages offhand that turns into battle-axes, sword, spears etc, and a shield for the element they are casting. Since their main benefit in FF5 was exploiting elemental weaknesses and that doesn't exist in FFXIV, their class abilities could be basically debuffing the enemy so they can get a big chunky hit after their combos. These debuffs are for themselves only making it more of a selfish DPS. Their job gimmick is empowering their combos from fire/lightning/ice to get better spell blades (flare, freeze, break, tornado etc) think Red mage like with a lot of melee/mid attacks. Give them a drain and osmose weapon to sustain hp and mp. Also give them an ability to earn 'Wall' through play, to lower physical and magical damage of the party by a small amount using the shield form of their focus. LB 3, all their elemental weapons combine into an Ultima weapon attack.

Ranged Physical:
BST - Whips/Doggo - Have their attacks be different creatures that launch themselves at the enemy. It stops it from bad pet AI if the pet is just an animation and the BST gets a whole variety of pets to fling at the enemy. Have some pets that leave bleeds on the target and some with magical and physical attacks that enfeeble the target (Think bad breathe). A bestial roar that buffs speed. Their 'auto attack' could be a beast like Interceptor from FF6 that joins you from the beginning of the class quest. LB3 All your pets stampede the target.

Gambler - Dice/ coins - Their theme could be cheating luck with a slot machine based job gage that you 'rig' to do certain attacks. They could have elemental dice abilities and rolling dice for damage buffs or magical buffs to the party. Buffs that add bonus healing, mana, or damage reduction. Too much RNG would be bad similar to AST with cards so make sure they can lock in the buffs and spend it. (Hence the cheating luck aspect) this would be the lowest DPS job with the highest buffs, a true support job. With their combos they can get coins that they flip or put into their slot machine that further buff party members. LB3 kick the slot machine to get all lucky 7's and a giant Cait sith falls on top of the target.

Healers:
Chemist - Vials / Philosopher stone - Make this the alternative to SCH with high dps like WHM. Shield with stoneskin potions and use morphine to "ignore pain" essentially creating beefy shields. They can have some sort of mechanical alchemic station (like Asylum) they plop down that chucks potions at teammates within the range. The potions have a small heal and a big chunky shield. To make them feel a bit different all of their potions could add a temporary shield (effective health) then a heal that is a bit delayed replacing the leftover shield. This adds to the theme of medicine taking a moment to work. Over heals would be added as a shield to a certain %. Damage wise they could have multiple dots with acid, phosphorus portions. Explosive potions with fire patches on the ground. Their job gage could be a set of ingredients needed to be combined to either heal, shield, or buff a party member to do more damage. LB3 chuck a large potion on the ground that is a mega elixer.

Necromancer: Ritual knife or floating skull- To make this healer feel different have it channels spells with minions. It is basically a hot but there is a beam coming from a ghastly creature that smart heals like Eios. These minions are created from using dps abilities. Have this job be the gunbreaker of healers and play like a DPS. DPS on the targets that channel healing into your team. Give them a Buff (debuff?) they place on team members to make them 'slightly dead' this is how they get the heals from the dps done. They have to reapply it every 30 seconds to a minute. Larger heals (Cure, Cure 2 level) that come from 2.5 second casts on the target. To further the difference have emergency heals (Think medica) that are cast when not attacking the target drain a small percentage of the caster's HP and have the abilities that attack the target drain HP to replenish the casters hp. Alternatively, you can sacrifice your minions to get HP back when there is nothing to attack. Give it a high skill ceiling rewarding it with high DPS ( Slightly below lowest dps). Let's shake up the healers a bit. Nothing beats the idea of a "Dark" healer too when the current healers are all light-based, stars and glitter, or pretty with fairies. LB3 is a gigantice black circle that raises everyone from the dead with the undead scream like in hero's gauntlet, places the slightly dead buff on everyone for further heals.

Casters:
First off if possible make BLU a playable class and not limited. If not then:

Geomancer: Bells and chimes - Go back to the FF3 big nukes implementations. Floods, quakes, avalanches, falling rocks, typhoons and tornadoes. Lets get another caster that plays similar to BLM with huge hits that move that HP bar and make your laugh maniacally - but do lower dps because they buff team members. Have them set up totems to buff dps and have them use rain to add a weak aoe heal to the party. Wind totems to speed up party members and ice to slow the enemy attack speed / cast speed. have totems that pull enemies or stun them in an area to help with large pulls in dungeons. LB3 splits the ground causing lava to erupt.

Shadow/void/dark Mage: Let's get a dot class that uses shadow/ascian magic. Assuming SMN gets reworked as is tradition- remove fester and dots from their tool kit and have them focus on their cycle of summons ie dreadwyrm trance, Bahamut, phoenix, shiva, titan etc with additional egis being summoned with egi assaults that automatically happen after the summon (Example: You summon ifirit egi it pulses fire around it 3 times then disapates).

Then add that mechanic to a class that focuses on dots using shadow/void/darkness. Put up all your dots then explode the target with the fester magic. And please have festers replacement not be a ping sound it should sound brutal. This class would have the usual dot class long set up for super high dps, while being able to quickly place dots on multiple targets and consume them instantly for burst aoe in quick encounters. make all their spells look shadowy and evil giving some duality to being the warrior of light. LB3 summons the void crushing the target similar to the end boss of ShB

All in all that would give 5 of every class type. Not every job needs a job gauge that fills the meter to spend it, or get a stack of something to use it. Make a job gage that gives a 30 second DPS buff if you play right, or get empowered abilities for a new combo. Obviously, these ideas extend to the lifespan of the game and not just 6.0, but some of these could be used for 6.0

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Originally Posted by MariAmaranthine

Necromancer: Ritual knife or floating skull- To make this healer feel different have it channels spells with minions. It is basically a hot but there is a beam coming from a ghastly creature that smart heals like Eios. These minions are created from using dps abilities. Have this job be the gunbreaker of healers and play like a DPS. DPS on the targets that channel healing into your team. Give them a Buff (debuff?) they place on team members to make them 'slightly dead' this is how they get the heals from the dps done. They have to reapply it every 30 seconds to a minute. Larger heals (Cure, Cure 2 level) that come from 2.5 second casts on the target. To further the difference have emergency heals (Think medica) that are cast when not attacking the target drain a small percentage of the caster's HP and have the abilities that attack the target drain HP to replenish the casters hp. Alternatively, you can sacrifice your minions to get HP back when there is nothing to attack. Give it a high skill ceiling rewarding it with high DPS ( Slightly below lowest dps). Let's shake up the healers a bit. Nothing beats the idea of a "Dark" healer too when the current healers are all light-based, stars and glitter, or pretty with fairies. LB3 is a gigantice black circle that raises everyone from the dead with the undead scream like in hero's gauntlet, places the slightly dead buff on everyone for further heals.

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Shadow/void/dark Mage: Let's get a dot class that uses shadow/ascian magic. Assuming SMN gets reworked as is tradition- remove fester and dots from their tool kit and have them focus on their cycle of summons ie dreadwyrm trance, Bahamut, phoenix, shiva, titan etc with additional egis being summoned with egi assaults that automatically happen after the summon (Example: You summon ifirit egi it pulses fire around it 3 times then disapates).

Then add that mechanic to a class that focuses on dots using shadow/void/darkness. Put up all your dots then explode the target with the fester magic. And please have festers replacement not be a ping sound it should sound brutal. This class would have the usual dot class long set up for super high dps, while being able to quickly place dots on multiple targets and consume them instantly for burst aoe in quick encounters. make all their spells look shadowy and evil giving some duality to being the warrior of light. LB3 summons the void crushing the target similar to the end boss of ShB

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Add an Ascian Prime type power up form for the caster, and spells like Megiddo Flame, Blight and Dark IV, plus the shadowy aura, and you can take my money. Would love to see both of these jobs.

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Originally Posted by MariAmaranthine

Maiming Melee:
Mystic Knight / Rune Fencer etc - One handed axe with a magic focus similar to Red Mages offhand that turns into battle-axes, sword, spears etc, and a shield for the element they are casting. Since their main benefit in FF5 was exploiting elemental weaknesses and that doesn't exist in FFXIV, their class abilities could be basically debuffing the enemy so they can get a big chunky hit after their combos. These debuffs are for themselves only making it more of a selfish DPS. Their job gimmick is empowering their combos from fire/lightning/ice to get better spell blades (flare, freeze, break, tornado etc) think Red mage like with a lot of melee/mid attacks. Give them a drain and osmose weapon to sustain hp and mp. Also give them an ability to earn 'Wall' through play, to lower physical and magical damage of the party by a small amount using the shield form of their focus. LB 3, all their elemental weapons combine into an Ultima weapon attack.

Ranged Physical:
BST - Whips/Doggo - Have their attacks be different creatures that launch themselves at the enemy. It stops it from bad pet AI if the pet is just an animation and the BST gets a whole variety of pets to fling at the enemy. Have some pets that leave bleeds on the target and some with magical and physical attacks that enfeeble the target (Think bad breathe). A bestial roar that buffs speed. Their 'auto attack' could be a beast like Interceptor from FF6 that joins you from the beginning of the class quest. LB3 All your pets stampede the target.



Chemist - Vials / Philosopher stone - Make this the alternative to SCH with high dps like WHM. Shield with stoneskin potions and use morphine to "ignore pain" essentially creating beefy shields. They can have some sort of mechanical alchemic station (like Asylum) they plop down that chucks potions at teammates within the range. The potions have a small heal and a big chunky shield. To make them feel a bit different all of their potions could add a temporary shield (effective health) then a heal that is a bit delayed replacing the leftover shield. This adds to the theme of medicine taking a moment to work. Over heals would be added as a shield to a certain %. Damage wise they could have multiple dots with acid, phosphorus portions. Explosive potions with fire patches on the ground. Their job gage could be a set of ingredients needed to be combined to either heal, shield, or buff a party member to do more damage. LB3 chuck a large potion on the ground that is a mega elixer.

Necromancer: Ritual knife or floating skull- To make this healer feel different have it channels spells with minions. It is basically a hot but there is a beam coming from a ghastly creature that smart heals like Eios. These minions are created from using dps abilities. Have this job be the gunbreaker of healers and play like a DPS. DPS on the targets that channel healing into your team. Give them a Buff (debuff?) they place on team members to make them 'slightly dead' this is how they get the heals from the dps done. They have to reapply it every 30 seconds to a minute. Larger heals (Cure, Cure 2 level) that come from 2.5 second casts on the target. To further the difference have emergency heals (Think medica) that are cast when not attacking the target drain a small percentage of the caster's HP and have the abilities that attack the target drain HP to replenish the casters hp. Alternatively, you can sacrifice your minions to get HP back when there is nothing to attack. Give it a high skill ceiling rewarding it with high DPS ( Slightly below lowest dps). Let's shake up the healers a bit. Nothing beats the idea of a "Dark" healer too when the current healers are all light-based, stars and glitter, or pretty with fairies. LB3 is a gigantice black circle that raises everyone from the dead with the undead scream like in hero's gauntlet, places the slightly dead buff on everyone for further heals.

Geomancer: Bells and chimes - Go back to the FF3 big nukes implementations. Floods, quakes, avalanches, falling rocks, typhoons and tornadoes. Lets get another caster that plays similar to BLM with huge hits that move that HP bar and make your laugh maniacally - but do lower dps because they buff team members. Have them set up totems to buff dps and have them use rain to add a weak aoe heal to the party. Wind totems to speed up party members and ice to slow the enemy attack speed / cast speed. have totems that pull enemies or stun them in an area to help with large pulls in dungeons. LB3 splits the ground causing lava to erupt.

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I like these ones the most

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Gambler - Dice/ coins - Their theme could be cheating luck with a slot machine based job gage that you 'rig' to do certain attacks. They could have elemental dice abilities and rolling dice for damage buffs or magical buffs to the party. Buffs that add bonus healing, mana, or damage reduction. Too much RNG would be bad similar to AST with cards so make sure they can lock in the buffs and spend it. (Hence the cheating luck aspect) this would be the lowest DPS job with the highest buffs, a true support job. With their combos they can get coins that they flip or put into their slot machine that further buff party members. LB3 kick the slot machine to get all lucky 7's and a giant Cait sith falls on top of the target.

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I think Gambler can really take the position of Time Mage, with the theme being the manipulation of fate. The question is really what the weapon would be. Dice, coins, or cards could all be used for spells and abilities, but they're all kind of difficult to make weapons for, this is probably why AST got the astrolabe to begin with. And Rufus in 7R makes very stylish use of coins in his boss battle, but it's in conjunction with his guns. Basically it's up to how much SE is willing to pull from AST and MCH, or otherwise just go a completely different direction.

While I agree a pistol would be better, we already have 2 gun classes. I chose dice because AST has cards. It could have been darts, but that is too similar to chakrams as it is a throwing weapon. The last option then from Setzer's and Cait Sith's kit is dice. Maybe have a cute little Yahtzee cup for them :) I guess in my mind I see comically large dice being rolled and then the corresponding effects shooting out from them. The class concept was a very low dps but very high support. Think dancer on steroids.

Maybe to give it some flare. Have their AF gear be all suave and give them a small auto crossbow on their arm. They could have that kind of Jame's Bond aesthetic with a crisp suit. Make their class quests about how they are a secret agent working for the gold saucer trying to catch a villain stealing all the GP. Then have dice and coins just be apart of abilities.

Dont make the new jobs super mindless or super safe, take risks experiment.

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Originally Posted by MariAmaranthine

TANK:
Viking

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My understanding is that Viking is a pretty heavy influence behind the Marauder that we have, being an axe-wielding tank job with a pirate background.

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Maiming Melee:
Mystic Knight / Rune Fencer etc

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I think that's pretty much the only option left for Maiming Melee, really. Dragoon's armor suits only plate-wearing Knight-type melee jobs, of which Spellblade/Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer/etc is the only untapped one remaining, save for an entirely new invention of XIV's team.

As a nitpick, axes seem an odd choice. I could see the job cycling between elemental enchantments on their own weapon that influence their rotation, instead of debuffing enemies.

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Ranged Physical:
BST - Whips/Doggo

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Unfortunately, Bozja stuff has pretty much shot BST as a ranged job down, with the Garlean Beastmasters (thus far the only representation of them in the game) generally sharing one-handed axes and shields.

My expectation is either BST will be a Limited Job focused on taming and training a wide assortment of pets with various roles not unlike XIII-2's system, or a full job with a number of Lyon-inspired melee abilities and a focus on 2-3 specific predetermined pets (with possible skins) much like SMN. Based on your commentary on BLU I expect you're highly averse to the former, though I would happily see it go either direction.

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Gambler - Dice/ coins

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So on the one hand, your description comes off a lot like old AST, and I fully expect that wouldn't happen.

That said, there's a precedent for a similar type of job with the pirate-inspired Corsair from XI. We've still got an opening for a dual pistol job like Merlwyb herself or whatever Rostnstahl was before, and it could take some of the elements you proposed for Viking, like pulling out a cannon or calling down storms.

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Healers:
Chemist - Vials / Philosopher stone

Necromancer: Ritual knife or floating skull

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Chemist (or some type of potion healer) seems to be the general consensus for the next healer, given that it was heavily hinted in 5.3's main story.

My main concern with Chemist really is that I've heard very few suggestions for what a raw Chemist could bring to the table that isn't offered by other healers; for instance, the proposal you have here is very in-line with current Scholar, just without the fairy.
That being said, I don't think it's impossible for a potion-based healer to be unique or work as long as the devs are willing to step away from the "Chemist" archetype of former games, similarly to how they folded Time Mage themes into Astrologian. I've previously proposed a Witch Doctor inspired job that could combine the aesthetic of potion-throwing with the mechanics of a dark magical healer like Necromancer, like leeching health from enemies to heal allies.

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Necromancer: Ritual knife or floating skull

Shadow/void/dark Mage:

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Much as I LOVE the idea of Necromancer as a healer and have even backed the idea many times in the past... going off of The Heroes' Gauntlet, the inclusion of a Necromancer would probably be as exactly the kind of Dark Mage proposed, with spells like Absolute Dark and Dark Deluge confirming the use of Ascian-esque magic.
And given how much pushback there is towards Necromancer not being "heroic" enough, I expect that wouldn't go over too well either.

To be clear though, I do agree with the next caster lifting the DoT-focused weight off of SMN to be reworked into a more pet- and summoning-focused caster, including the summoning of Egis or Demi-Primals for one-off attacks like you proposed for BST.
The only caster candidate I could see being strictly DoT-focused is Time Mage, however, which overlaps a lot with AST and is famous for tools that Yoshi-P already said we're never getting (ie Haste).

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Geomancer: Bells and chimes

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This seems like a pretty strong contender for next caster, given how much we've seen in Stormblood with things like Swallow's Compass and Heaven-on-High, or discussion of "geomantic currents" for the Four Lords battles. A caster focused on using Water, Wind, Earth and possibly Fire magic, which could fold-in Y'shtola's Spiritual Ray as a Limit Break?

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

This seems like a pretty strong contender for next caster, given how much we've seen in Stormblood with things like Swallow's Compass and Heaven-on-High, or discussion of "geomantic currents" for the Four Lords battles. A caster focused on using Water, Wind, Earth and possibly Fire magic, which could fold-in Y'shtola's Spiritual Ray as a Limit Break?

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Thinking about Geo recently started me thinking about the Eden raid series, which lead into the elemental cycle (lightning, fire, earth, ice, water, wind, and around again) along with the conquests (earth, lightning, water) and submissions (fire, wind, ice).
Now I'm kinda wanting to see Geo with a mechanic based on those concepts heh.

They could have the elemental chart as their class gauge, their rotations could have them actually rotate through those elemental loops ending with totems or geo-/indi- spells based on the cycle you complete. Given the links between the astro cards and the elements you kinda have that same yet different concept.

I am hoping for time mage. Since they removed all buff extenders from Astrologian. I mean they still have Gravity and Astral Stasis as their LB3 but those can change with ease as they did for blue mage with mighty guard. So I am still hoping for Time Mage to makes its debut in 6.0 as either caster dps or healer.

Me personally I wish there was a DPS wielding (the equivalent of) European longswords, but I 100% accept that's unrealistic since
1) there's already an overabundance of sword-wielding classes;
2) Dark Knight and Samurai already cover that niche aesthetically and mechanically, respectively; would love if SAM got some straight swords as a compromise tbh

See Chemist is what a lot of people are thinking for the next healer(myself included), but we can't deny that SE has been known to throw some curve balls with jobs in the past, namely GNB(i mean, okay it was totally requested or at least a gunblade user class) point is, they dont necessarily have to make a traditional job, we just sort of expect it. GNB pretty much proved they could take a couple character concepts and make it a working tank job. So i dont know, maybe they'll toss some strange whip user or something. Not really sure what they would present us, but i think the argument for what would the chemist/ or another healer bring to the table that the other 3 do not, i mean GNB there you go. Did it bring anything new in the grand scheme of things? I dont really think so, at least not in the current expansion, besides different gameplay. So i dunno. we can go by whats been sort of teased: Beastmaster,Geomancer, Apothecary(chemist), and know for sure Necromancy is a thing(highly unlikely) in game lore, can't think of anything else that comes to mind about possible teasing/referencing in story/side quests.
as far as what i think classically has potential to fit in this game some sort of way?
Geomancer
Mystic Knight
Oracle/Mystic/GreenMage
Chemist/Salve Maker
Sage
BeastMaster/Tamer
some darkness based healer
Magitek Knight(thought gunbreaker was gonna be titled this before reveal so very unlikely all this would be is a rider class which i do not see happening)

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Much as I LOVE the idea of Necromancer as a healer and have even backed the idea many times in the past... going off of The Heroes' Gauntlet, the inclusion of a Necromancer would probably be as exactly the kind of Dark Mage proposed, with spells like Absolute Dark and Dark Deluge confirming the use of Ascian-esque magic.
And given how much pushback there is towards Necromancer not being "heroic" enough, I expect that wouldn't go over too well either.

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I believe that's down to their creativity/ability to frame it (much as with Emet-Selch/Elidibus, championing the dark to restore the ancient world), in the end, and that such pushback can be defeated - Necromancer is a popular RPG class and I've seen it do pretty well over numerous polls conducted over the years. Darkness is not 'evil', per se, and counts in its repertoire some very potent spells. Most of the doubt towards it that I've seen is in terms of the developers knowing how to make it fit, not so much against the concept itself.

If not a Necromancer, then a darkness based caster of some other flavour would make sense. There is at least a partial association with time magic and darkness (Gaia, Nabriales), so they could perhaps make something out of Time Mage, especially if it focused its "time" based spells on the DOTs themselves, and perhaps single-target (rather than mass) haste buffs.

At this point, it's about the only job addition they could make that would excite me much, I suppose.

My bet would be on chemist and either a maiming or scouting job.
I would really like to see mystic/runic knight, I just hope it won't use hammers.
I just dislike this weapon ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Healer I would bet all my coins on Chemist... Apothecary sounds better and won't overlap with alCHEMIST, lol.

The dpser... Hm. I don't bet a lot on yet another melee physical dps, since there are 4 of them already, so...
- Mystic Knight, melee magic caster, but I'd love a better name for the job - uses a scimitar;
- Geomancer, a ranged dps caster utilizing the elements we see in Swallow's compass - Uses a mace/hammer and bell;

If they don't manage to fix pet AI and responsiveness, I highly doubt that we'll see Beastmaster as anything but a Limited Job;

I am definitely going to say based off the Shadowbringer content, we will more than likely have a Time Mage, but I do not see them as a healer, more like a casting type. I like there was a lot of time magic in Shadow. I wish they introduced the Time Mage then. However, I do see that as a playable class. And making skills to increase enemy vulnerability, casting curse and doom on mass pulls, decreasing defense and stopping and slowing time. That would be a fun class in my opinion. And it would have ranged attacks like Break.

The only other class I may see in the Next expansion aside from Time Mage is another Healer. I don't know how that would shape given I personally feel as playing as all 3 healers, that the healers are really balanced. Given the content, I do not really see a melee healer as a viable option given the content we have at this level. They may be good for lower level content, but then like the expert dungeon if we build the healer like a DPS it may still may not be enough to withstand attacks at close range. I am not ruling it out just my thoughts on it.

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Originally Posted by FairyDJ

I am definitely going to say based off the Shadowbringer content, we will more than likely have a Time Mage, but I do not see them as a healer, more like a casting type. I like there was a lot of time magic in Shadow. I wish they introduced the Time Mage then. However, I do see that as a playable class. And making skills to increase enemy vulnerability, casting curse and doom on mass pulls, decreasing defense and stopping and slowing time. That would be a fun class in my opinion. And it would have ranged attacks like Break.

The only other class I may see in the Next expansion aside from Time Mage is another Healer. I don't know how that would shape given I personally feel as playing as all 3 healers, that the healers are really balanced. Given the content, I do not really see a melee healer as a viable option given the content we have at this level. They may be good for lower level content, but then like the expert dungeon if we build the healer like a DPS it may still may not be enough to withstand attacks at close range. I am not ruling it out just my thoughts on it.

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I’m hoping for time mage too. So much. I hope you’re right about it.

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Originally Posted by gumas

if there is a new tank class, the best i can think is probably hammer for the weapon. either 2h hammer or hammer with giant shield.

for new healer class... maybe something like songstress? with harp as their weapon? probably no chance though since lore & look wise it will overlap with bard.

melee dps, sword whip? yoshi seems like the idea for unique weapon.

magic dps, something like talisman? you know that onmyoji stuff thingy, SB is already japan centric so onmyoji like profession is pretty much easy to put in FF14

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Now that is somthing that I didn't think of for a Healer. I think to me personally as someone who plays as a healer be a better option then a melee healer.

I just want Quick Knock to upgrade into Wide Volley. That is all.

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Originally Posted by VuuSolstice

I just want Quick Knock to upgrade into Wide Volley. That is all.

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I want that too but unfortunately we just got an update as a bard so that is not going to happen right now.

Also I know that physical ranged DPS is unlikely. But there are so many range weapons we could have. I also do not see personally a whip as a ranged weapon. Mainly because of the way now animations are set up. We seen it done before but the graphics and mechanics were 2 dimensional. Now a whip to me seems impractical to hand to a Physical Ranged DPS. I can see however.

Slingshot (With the right tools an upgrades this is possible)
Boomerang
Dice
Playing Cards (Astro uses cards to play, this is not the same concept here. This is strictly for damage purposes)
Musical Instruments (This one is kind of far fetched because Bard would need to be reworked for this to happen)
Throwing Stars.

I would put my money on a Boomerang or Dice before going the whip direction.

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Originally Posted by FairyDJ

Also I know that physical ranged DPS is unlikely. But there are so many range weapons we could have. I also do not see personally a whip as a ranged weapon. Mainly because of the way now animations are set up. We seen it done before but the graphics and mechanics were 2 dimensional. Now a whip to me seems impractical to hand to a Physical Ranged DPS. I can see however.

Slingshot (With the right tools an upgrades this is possible)
Boomerang
Dice
Playing Cards (Astro uses cards to play, this is not the same concept here. This is strictly for damage purposes)
Musical Instruments (This one is kind of far fetched because Bard would need to be reworked for this to happen)
Throwing Stars.

I would put my money on a Boomerang or Dice before going the whip direction.

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I think we're forgetting that Dual Pistols like Merlwyb uses are also on the table. Machinist weapons are basically one-handed rifles at this point.
Possibly Crossbows too, though I could see them being offered as a skin on MCH weps, just like Hammers for WAR.

Boomerangs, Cards, Musical Instruments and Throwing Stars might be off the table between Dancer, Astrologian, Bard and Ninja.

I could see a Slingshot in the hands of, say, a Chemist-type. Hoist the potion in the sling. I don't find it particularly likely, but hey, hard to think of other weapons for a straight-up Chemist.

I mean if we get a dps, it could be another phys range, or something that shares maiming gear, or scouting gear, it xould be thematic to where we are going in the expansion, or just from an area we heard about. Prob still gonna have the trainers in the major cities, though i'd be impressed if they put them in foundation, or kugane even

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Originally Posted by ADVSS

I mean if we get a dps, it could be another phys range, or something that shares maiming gear, or scouting gear, it xould be thematic to where we are going in the expansion, or just from an area we heard about. Prob still gonna have the trainers in the major cities, though i'd be impressed if they put them in foundation, or kugane even

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Could be... but doubtful to be in the next batch. We just had an expansion with two Disciples of War released, one of whom is a Phys Range, so I'd say we're due for more Disciples of Magic.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Could be... but doubtful to be in the next batch. We just had an expansion with two Disciples of War released, one of whom is a Phys Range, so I'd say we're due for more Disciples of Magic.

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I'd be down with that one, if they somehow can manage to make it unique over the other 3(4) in some way(BLU still listed under the jobs page in the character menu with the (limited) right next to it. ( think on that sheet, 3 healers and 3 phys range are the two slots not filled by a fourth

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Originally Posted by FairyDJ

Also I know that physical ranged DPS is unlikely. But there are so many range weapons we could have. I also do not see personally a whip as a ranged weapon. Mainly because of the way now animations are set up. We seen it done before but the graphics and mechanics were 2 dimensional. Now a whip to me seems impractical to hand to a Physical Ranged DPS. I can see however.

Slingshot (With the right tools an upgrades this is possible)
Boomerang
Dice
Playing Cards (Astro uses cards to play, this is not the same concept here. This is strictly for damage purposes)
Musical Instruments (This one is kind of far fetched because Bard would need to be reworked for this to happen)
Throwing Stars.

I would put my money on a Boomerang or Dice before going the whip direction.

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I can see the Playing Cards and Dice more as special moves from a "Gambler" job rather than the actual weapon to perform common attacks.

Boomerang would be nice... If it's something like Yuffie uses, but it also sort of overlap with Chakrams being in a similar attacking pattern, so I kinda not hold my breath for that one.

I often try to think of weapon silhouettes or themes that are yet to be seen, such as:
- Whips and Chain Whips (The first mid-range weapon)
- Axe
- Hammer and Bell (Geomancer weapon?)
- Puppets and Dolls (Inspired by Lulu)

Double ended/bladed lances would also be something workable.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Double ended/bladed lances would also be something workable.

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yup that weapon rarely sees much highlight in a lot of games

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Double ended/bladed lances would also be something workable.

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Hmm... now that I think of it, that would give them opportunities to include Bo/Monk Staves or Guandao, etc, while being able to implement a bladed weapon that we haven't seen represented without adding another sword-type...

I mean, none of the staff-wielding casters uses them in such a manner, and Lancers focus on piercing attacks and lunges, not spinning slashes.

I’m fine with no job if they fixed the ones we have or un-homogenize our cookie cutter jobs.

Maiming and Scouting gear are definitely underutilized, as things stand right now. I can't really think of any weapon types they haven't already covered to some extent though, and I know we're not getting more swords but by God do I want more swords lol.